Henry Ford vs Karl Marx. Epic Rap Battles Of History (Reaction/Breakdown)
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Henry Ford vs Karl Marx. Epic Rap Battles Of History
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Epic Rap Battles of History (ERB) is a TH-cam web series and music project created by Peter "Nice Peter" Shukoff and Lloyd "EpicLLOYD" Ahlquist. The series pits historical and pop culture figures against one another in a rap battle format. The characters portrayed are often determined by suggestions from viewers in the comments sections of the channel's videos. Shukoff and Ahlquist write each song themselves, researching the subject in order to find obscure details to use as references in the lyrics.[1][2] As of March 26, 2021, the channel has 14.8 million subscribers and approximately 3.7 billion total video views.[3] Following an extended hiatus, the channel returned with a bonus battle in December 2018, and the sixth season debuted on April 20, 2019[4] and a seventh is set to begin during 2021.
Karl Marx was a German-born philosopher, economist, political theorist, historian, sociologist, journalist, and revolutionary socialist.
Karl Marx (1818-1883) is often treated as a revolutionary, an activist rather than a philosopher, whose works inspired the foundation of many communist regimes in the twentieth century. It is certainly hard to find many thinkers who can be said to have had comparable influence in the creation of the modern world. However, Marx was trained as a philosopher, and although often portrayed as moving away from philosophy in his mid-twenties-perhaps towards history and the social sciences-there are many points of contact with modern philosophical debates throughout his writings.
Henry Ford was an American industrialist and business magnate. He was the founder of Ford Motor Company, and chief developer of the assembly line technique of mass production.
Henry Ford, founder of Ford Motor Company, was born in Springwells Township, Wayne County, Michigan, on July 30, 1863, to Mary (Litogot) and William Ford. He was the eldest of six children in a family of four boys and two girls. His father was a native of County Cork, Ireland, who came to America in 1847 and settled on a farm in Wayne County. - บันเทิง
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So did those people just come back to life from those "countless genocides" or are you taking something that has been disproven as fact? because the population charts for the ussr and communist China shot up not down
Private property just means Privately owned company property what you are confusing it with is personal property
The reference was that marx was pen pals with lincon
16:55 that's not capitalism it's a capitalist doing charity
I don't have beef with you it's just that, I hear all of that so often that when ever someone says it, I get agitated
Awesome reaction Skyler. Great job. Sorry about the hot karl. ;)
I will accept this time! Only because this was a great ERB self made beat.
Sorry about the hit Karl is crazy 😂
~_~
@ERB Is this a new season?
The “Lincoln letter inking proletarian” line when Marx introduces himself is a reference to a personal telegram Karl Marx sent to President Lincoln after the Civil War, congratulating him on freeing the slaves.
7:40 “Dung from a Taurus” has to be the best version of “Bullsh*t” I’ve ever heard.
10:46 He’s calling Ford out as a teetotaler. “Your Model-T total” is a better bar than it’ll be given credit for, assuming my inference about which side of politics he was on is correct. Given ERB’s distinct lack of incorrectness with their bars, I assume that the T-total is an intentional triple.
1: Model T.
2: Cars get “totaled.”
3: Teetotal.
Solid triple with a weak finish, unless we’re missing an extra layer on “lack of style.”
12:36 the “utopia” line was probably more about the fact that Marx viewed communism as part of a historical development toward a society, free of social antagonisms like class warfare and alienation of labor
The Marx/Lincoln line was a reference to Marx writing a letter to Lincoln concerning slavery
After the third watch i noticed the 'stateless' line from Ford at 15:25 could also be how Marx should 'state' (as in say) 'less', little pun there but nice!
See that's what I thought too bc I was like "What could the connection be there? Oh bc state as a a verb means 'to say' so he's saying Marx talks too much"
In truth, it is a triple entendre, 1. Telling him to talk less. 2. Karl Marx was banned from several countries, and therefore was not allowed within their states. 3. In his writing Marx wrote about how a communist society would be a stateless society.
@@azurerogue3633 This is a common misphrasing of Marx, Marx never actually says what a communist society would look like governmentally, just that there will be a dictatorship of the proletariat during the intermediary phase. It's more of an entendre towards other socialist/communist beliefs at the time, like Bukharin reading of Marx or Kropotkin.
This battle is so darn good. I learned a lot from Extra History's series on Henry Ford, and man, does it add so much to the lyrics.
Ford's first verse was really strong, but he kinda used up all his ammo in it, and the only strong punch he had in later verses was the hypocrisy bar about Engels bankrolling Marx. Meanwhile Marx started off slower, but was hitting Ford decently well throughout the battle, and had a really strong ending with the Nazi factory/Auschwitz line.
I'd give it to Karl Marx overall, especially since a couple of Ford's disses in the middle (the beard shampoo and the Hot Karl line) felt pretty weak-sauce.
ford lines was funny, while marx was truly brutal
The funny thing is some of Ford's line are used by pro-capitalist/anti-socialists that have been taught capitalism = freedom and money, socialism = commie and everyone poor, and commie = whatever Stalin did.
Ford could only go after his looks and personal attacks cause he (like many Americans) didn't really understand what his(Marx) books were about. Marx made a fantastic rebuttal to the claim about being funded by a "capitalist". Although I don't know if I'd actually call Engels a real capitalist since he was as mentioned a huge supporter of Marx's visions.
I think Marx took this one and very clearly as well
Agreed that Ford's punches were kinda all about marx being poor and that he should wash. That'd why I think Marx got the W in this. Both had good punches, but Marx had more, from what I've catched so far.
Edit: thinking back Marx also had many disses about Ford and nazis, but I still think he won
I like fords blows about how communism doesn’t work and how Marx is a hypocrite
also marx flowed like a motherfucker
@@elbradoswhile ford was also being hypocritical
@@elbrados Marx literally has a rebuttal in the ERB for the first point you made: "You didn't read shit". It's funny how people just repeat talking points without reading anything at all.
@@pashico7082 I have read history and the point still stands
Ayo are you alright man? I know an ERB just came out, maybe you're taking your time or smth but you haven't uploaded in a few months. Is everything alright?
I wouldn't even notice this battle released, if it wasn't for your reaction, but it is great all around. Breakdown appreciated as always.
6:16 Skyler, I think that reference was more towards the letters that Marx and Lincoln sent each other including Marx congratulating Lincoln on winning the election. Look it up that's a true fact.
What's kind of insane is that right before this Extra History did an entire series on Ford. So there's a lot of people that know how not of a great human being he was
the lincoln inking line was a reference to him and abraham lincoln corresponding through letters. its a historical bar and thats why i always like erb.
Another great breakdown. I really enjoyed this battle and you helped me catch a few new things.
Well this made my day better.
I wasn't expecting a breakdown so soon, glad it happened though. Also I want to mention that the Original Video link in your description leads to the Lara Croft vs Indiana Jones battle, not the new one.
I knew this battle was coming out for a bit. So, I was able to prepare and let me change that link whoops.
Just wanted to say I stumbled across you about a year ago, and again just now.
You have come a long way as a content creator and have improved a lot. Good job.
4:00 Marx had four daughters named Jenny. Two of them committed suicide by cyanide, one only lived for a year, and the eldest died of bladder cancer.
man Im so happy that skyler back good day skyler and other people :3
good to have you back man, hope your doing well
I genuinely don’t know who won
nice reaction
marx won easy
found on road dead is also a jab that ford cars suck which they do
the greed line is actually true. the japanese communist party for example, it's one of the biggest communist parties not in control of its country. it advocates for democratic socialism (aka they want to come to power by elections instead of revolution) and is actually pretty popular in japan
partially true
People do realize Marx was a German Jewish Brit, right?
Sauce for the city pixel background?
Not to be that guy, but communism, even as a far leftist that isn't an actual communist, it's not really that comparable to a hivemind necessarily.
Also, Engels wasn't a capitalist. His father was, owned a factory or smth. Engels himself had an organisational/managerial position. Definitely well paid, but nevertheless a wage worker.
I don't like capitalism so I like what Karl marx says way more, that being said I think that is exactly what will decide the winner of this battle for people. Do you like capitalism yes or no.
Yo conservatives are you upset about this
Not really any chance to dunk on communism is good
@@elbradoswhen did this dunk on communism
@@elbradoslook i despise communism but I have to say Marx dunked on the Nazi man
@@mrhouse2208facts
No. Why would I be?
This was a very close battle imo
the line about the model T style was talking about how the car only came in black and how after other companies started to mass produce cars H ford kinda just wanted to make the model T over and over again so he had no style to his cars that wasn't just model T and that was around the time things like the Buick Super came out
So fast 💀
The Brazilian factory town Ford attempted to set up failed miserably bc he tried to enforce the same lifestyle requirements on workers there as he did in the US (no alcohol, no gambling, good Christian values etc) and the Brazilian workers eventually unionized and revolted so badly the Brazilian army had to be sent in to calm things down and prevent anymore destruction of property.
In general, the reason I think Marx took this battle is he had much more evidence in his bars of all of the various ways Ford was an appalling person. Such as his private gestapo that enforced his lifestyle requirements for his workers (which included a requirement for wives to not work if workers wanted their five bucks a day btw), authorizing the execution of unarmed workers protesting for better wages, his selfish underhanded manipulation of the company to sabotage Edsel, and most of all his antisemetic notions and support of the Nazis. Whether you agree that communism is a viable system or not, Ford didnt really have much ammo to throw at Marx personally just the dictators who abused his ideology and that Marx was poor and smelled bad which almost helps Marx’s verses since it highlights the class differences between them.
You accidentally linked Lara Croft vs Indiana jones instead of Karl Marx vs Henry Ford in the description
It's been fixed!
You should totally react to Yuri vs Mikan
9:00 the problem with that line for me is that it’s very close to the “Crony capitalism” defense of capitalism that is, “capitalism as a system isn’t inherently flawed, and exploit its individual people that make it turn out that way.” And that would be Marx shooting himself in the foot since his critique was of capitalism as a system, not individual people.
Not really, because exploitation is inherently baked into capitalism in a way its not for communism.
Yeah, both sides don't believe the failed versions of their ideologies are the real forms of their ideologies that they idealize. All ideas are hard to actualize, especially political ideas. Personally, I think marx has a better response to this, because the difference between "communism" the goal of a stateless society, and "socialism" the ideology and transition period trying to get to communism is inherently baked into it. Capitalism isn't an ideology written about and then actualized, it was something developed over time mostly by coincidence and necessity that writers later tried to interpret through writing. Marx had the ability to lay out exactly what his ideology should be like, so there's a lot of ways to justify calling failures of it "not real communism."
If Marx saw that line he would probably have immediately wrote an entire essay on why he hates it, and why only a naive “utopian socialist” or “idealist” would say such a thing.
The response to this would be: Capitalist is a system which promotes individualism, exploitation, and greed. It is a system wherein there is always someone on top, which therefore is a system of power and control, which therefore is a system where a fact.
Communism is a system where the individual is seen as an equal. It strives for the disassembilation of social classes. Capitalism is a system that makes everyone a competitor to each other. The individual is to strive for more control over the system by themselves.
Capitalism is a stepping stone to achieve true communism, if humankind were efficient enough to achieve such as a collective. However, humankind's greed corrupted any form of communism that was attempted to be established.
Communism is a utopia, a paradise that is far away. Capitalism, which is the system that promotes human greed, promotes human competition, is the only system that we'll be able to achieve efficiently in the foreseeable future.
I doubt it that we'll be able to see the perfection of a societal structure, which is no direct authoritan structure at all, but made by the collective humankind. Marx was a dreamer who tried planting his seed. However, that plant was taken and crossed with many other plants, creating a mixture of many traits.
I am sure that you all know about the rules of inheritance. Let's say that the mindset of communism is spread across the world. But the mindset is mixed with other traits and other ideologies. Certain groups create their own ideology and call it communism, socialism... but they truly miss the original point. If we were to establish communism in its originally intended form, every human with their own ideology would need to accept the mindset.
It is basically impossible to achieve that. With so many traits that were inherited, it is impossible to achieve the original state within everyone.
Communism is stateless, stateless in theory, and stateless in practice. It is a dream, unable to be realized because it is outside of human nature.
Capitalism is the most perfect form of construct that we are able to establish with our current capabilities. Marx himself described it as a stepping stone towards communism that would be trashed as soon as it outlived its purpose. But, likely to his knowledge, capitalism burns itself into the human structure and is almost impossible to get rid of. Because when you're well of within a capitalist society, you hold all the power. The ones that suffer through the system are unable to fight back against that if they won't connect.
And we can see how well that works.
Please do the SpongeBob vs Captain Underpants rap battle
Hey,I really recommend princess rap battles,it's mostly princess but also other fictional characters!I want you to react to Dorothy vs Alice!
The neat thing about this particular battle is both of them, in their own way, tried to help the working class. Yes, Ford pushed his factories and pushed his agendas.....but he was also one of the driving forces behind 40 hour work week, and despite being Anti-Semitic helped the Jews fight to get Sunday's off. Marx, for all the issues that arose when others got ahold of his ideology, actually believed what he preached and pushed for fairer life for others. He literally put his money where his mouth was.
The Big Brother line instantly gave Marx the win
Beat is insane lol def their best beat
who's this handsome guy? (and what'd you do with Skyler? 😘)
seriously, welcome back. you still doing Twitch or did ya move to Kik?
If you think Ford won you need to re-analyze everything being said. Ford mostly only went after personal attacks like his looks or that he was poor because like many (especially Americans) he(Ford) was misrepresenting was communism(Marxism) was all about. If you have to lie and misrepresent your opponent while also being on the wrong side of history you definitely lost by a lot. Ford's punches were very weak for reasons stated above. I liked Marx's line "You didn't read sh*t." Cause it was not only directed at Ford but everyone else who continually mislabels what his ideologies were about.
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When you don't know enough about Karl Marx so you come to Skyler😂
Ford did not win, He had one bar and Marx utterly annihilated him in round two and three. Ford's entire run boils down to tell marx "You're Poor and Dirty, Yuck" Marx accurately and factually points out that Henry Ford is a goddamn Nazi who was such a cruel person to his son that cancer would be kinder than Henry. Nah. Henry was not in the match at all after the Factory lines, and to clear up your memory, It was Ford Workers being shot, by Ford hired Security. Not a single ford factory worker was on the shooting side there. Only reasons to give Ford a victory here is bias and if your bias is for the Nazy Celebrated Slaver who was the greatest contributor to the spread of Anti-Semitism in the modern era.
Maybe look in a mirror.
The whole bootstraps to food stamps thing might be a reference to how capitalists say pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Work hard and make it; that's the American dream, but Socialists seem to be more about handouts. I might be reading too much into it.
I'm glad someone else thinks Ford won. Great reaction, my first one on this channel, so, I'll stick around !
The For(d)ce is strong with this one
React content is theft.
sometimes, but not here since hes actually analyzing and adding to it, also erb allow people to react.
@@NoOne-wz2htERB strongly encourages reacting. It kinda forms a symbiotic relationship since the quality of the rap battle themselves gone up with more people to appreciate it.
Common Marx W.
pfp W
Things are as they always have been: Marx destroying a capitalist.
all Ford could do is say 100 gorillion dead and insult Marx for being poor.