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@@ZachSmall Doing live streams doesnt interest me much. Appeared on a couple and found it hard, these videos take a lot of editing due to the amount of waffle that comes out of my mouth when i get going
@@theatheisthammer Could you explain a bit more? (genuine question) If the iPlayer server has the information, could they not see who has logged in and compare it to the list of licensed households?
it's not their money. it's your taxpayer's money. that's the point. they're spending your money to extract money from you on false pretences and by intimidation.
Yes, if my business did this the police would be around as it's intimidation. However, if you report the BBC for the same thing the police clam up and don't want to know and won't reply to your correspondence. Police and MPs support intimidation only when it's the BBC. And I have emails from Nadhim Zahawi proving this. They are scum.
They think it is. They don't believe that anybody could live without tv, but in reality, watching tv is fast becoming a thing that only the older generation do - very few of the zoomer generation actually watch tv - they all use streaming services on their phones instead. That's just something their parents do. I only watch technical channels on TH-cam and haven't watched tv in over 3 years and to be perfectly honest with you, I don't miss it in the slightest. For much of the past decade, the only thing I ever did watch was Doctor Who, and they absolutely murdered that when Chris Chinballs took over as show runner - that was the point at which I gave up watching tv. There is nothing worth seeing on tv anymore - all the good shows are on streaming services like netflix or amazon prime, and actual broadcast tv has become the dustbin overflowing with inane soaps, braindead game shows, woke so-called drama and extremist far-left propaganda :(
It is a truth that had become less relevant over the last decade or so. No matter how disingenuous you want to be the BBC, you have and do watch BBC content. Different people use the BBC at different times in their lives. For example in major conflicts, or national major issues almost every adult in the UK will have at some point watched BBC coverage of that issue. Just because you don't watch anything from the BBC 99.99% of your life, it doesn't mean you don't at all. You'll also use the BBC more at different stages of your life, with old people being a major audience for both news and daytime programming. Those same people may not have watched TV at all (or alot) during their working years. The arguments made against the BBC have been made for decades, often long before the arguments became valid. As of the last decade or so, its fair to say you can survive not watching the BBC, and not watching any live television at all. The argument that no human can resist watching live TV was pretty much true in the past, for the best part. They just haven't updated that view to fit with the modern world.
@@countzero1136 I'm in my seventies and got an Amazon fire stick and cancelled my TV licence. Don't class all old people as the same. We remember history.
@@yyy-875 I had to pay a small £75 and then another £200 to secure the paperwork ID.. Not bad for almost $7,000,000... I reckon it was fake 😂😂😂😂 but I did play along with them leading them down a rabbit hole delaying them asking for bank details, promising them western union, I actually sent them £1 but to get the reference number and screw with them saying I had a technical problem it should have been £100.. I promised them I paid £100 x 3 etc etc.. Mate they hounded me and hounded me I'm pretty sure I wasted three to four weeks of their time 🤣 I noticed from emails their English was broken so I worded things and spelt things that would've made it so so difficult for them to understand and work out 😏
Obtaining property by deception was formerly a statutory offence in England and Wales and Northern Ireland . This offence was created by section 15 of the Theft Act 1968. Someone should use it.
Particularly as I don't know what an "i-player" is,let alone having one or the knowlege of how to use one. Come to that there is the burble about blue teeth and apps. The same applies: what the hell are these obsessional UK things????? (just returned to a world that I don't understand. 'On line'????? quoi?)
@@icdgyixify I think that this fishing letter may come under "trying to obtain money by fraud and deception" but I may be wrong? They try to get you to pay even if you have not used the i-player app and trying to deceive you into thinking that they have proof that you have.
It amazes me how they can send a letter stating we KNOW this specific person have been using BBC player, while in the same letter stating they don't know if same said person has a TV licence or not.. Its like they are just sending these letters to people at random.. This is just a scare tactic. You can bet that if said person phoned them to ask about the cancellation, they will have no clue what he/she is on about.
@@maida-vale you just reminded me of that simpson's episode where the patient wakes up from a coma, finds out cher is still singing and sonny's a senator and he just pulls the plug on himself GOODNIGHT!
And I'd guess the number of potential subscribers would be in the thousands rather than millions. And with that sort of revenue, the BBC couldn't afford the salaries and production costs for their current shows. So it would be game over for them. Good
@@ravensthorne4631 That would be fantastic! The thing to do is cut the highly inflated salaries and slim down the workforce. You don’t need to pay people to warm chairs and push pens around. The so-called “box tickers” would the first to go if I was in charge!
Agreed, they would have to produce "Quality Content", pfft fat chance, they would have to spend money then, all we get now is repeats and box tickers, and shite...
i used to work in debt collection and it just looks like tactic. i wouldnt worry lol theyll send out the letters and some will fall for it so its worth their while
Hi Jon, I agree with you - sounds like a fishing exercise to me. My first 2 year legally unlicensed period is almost up and I’m looking forward to a Salesman’s visit. Thanks for the advisory videos - keep up the good work son. 👍🏻
I don't think you are likely to get a visit. There are so many now in our position they don't have enough goons to cover it all. I have not had a licence for three years and not recieved a visit
"If we don't hear from you, your address will be treated as unlicensed." Of course it'll be treated as unlicensed, because *IT IS UNLICENSED* . 🙄 They've been treating my address as unlicensed, for almost 12 years.
be interesting to see if someone makes a request for thier records (subject access request etc) as the goons are stating that they're records show this information. Another Nail in the BBC coffin
I also recommend this they are saying they have records proving you are breaking the law. Therefore they have information linked to you - you can request this information and then they have to respond to it.
@derek - The only 'fly in the ointment' is,... You may have to give up (forego) your ANONYMITY to do so,... unless you 'address yourself' as - THE RESIDENT. - Also, an interesting point would be, - HOW would they have 'details' of ALL DEVICES USED or IP addresses, YOU (the resident) have, which are related to 'the property' ??? .
@@ChilliJonCarne You're right, I know because I grew up in Australia and the licence was compulsory for radio and TV. Sensibly, it was abolished in the early 1970s.
@@tocaat2410 Yeah, but they now have central taxation financing the ABC and SBS so there is no option but to pay whether you watch or not. That's the gamble of defunding the BBC (which I agree with). If they go to Subscription only, fine, but the BBC could end up being funded by general taxation which is not good.
Me too. And TH-cam has had fantastic content since covid lockdowns. Live streaming from Royal Opera House and theatres....films too at small cost.....who needs tv? (I have been doing wonderful classes with Dutch National Ballet) also YT has Sky News Australia - which is terrific - thus avoiding propaganda UK tv news! Doesn't leave enough time to watch the usual tv drivel. and perpetual repeats......
Might be worth citing the freedom of information act to see how they have a 'record' of you watching iPlayer. Would be very interesting to see how they respond.
@@toppjonty Interestingly, I believe that you would be allowed to log in and browse the menus at iPlayer without a licence, as long as you don't watch anything. In fact, across all of your devices, think about it - how easy would it be to accidentally open iPlayer? How many times do you accidentally phone or receive a phone call unintentionally? BBC can feck off. ;)
I got the email so I contacted them and I told them I was watching BBC 1 the day before they told me I would have to buy a licence to which I replied why I was watching it in the pub they weren't happy but it ended the conversation
Ask them to provide evidence of their accusations. This is the modern replacement for the TV detector van, which was nothing more than a man with a list of addresses of non licensed homes driving his little empty van.
I asked them to supply evidence such as a. iP address within 14 days. Without evidence I said I would pursue them for harassment. No evidence arrived, but another letter did, more threats. My response was that they were holding inaccurate information on me and were stating that they were going to share that inaccurate information with third parties, the sub contract inspectors. This would be a GDPR breach. I started the complaints procedure, informing them that I was going to sue. I got a phone call apologising, £250 goodwill gesture and my email address is removed from their snotty letter database.
@@alecturner2008 So you'll have no problem showing a capture of the letter accompanying the £250 cheque they sent you so that everyone can have evidence of the precedent they set in shelling out £250 for 'getting a snotty letter wrong', right? I mean, that could be a really useful tool for the rest of us getting straight in touch demonstrating that we all know that this is how the matter is settled and asking for our £250... But just to check... They write to you and say you've been caught using iPlayer... And instead of saying 'I think you've got mistaken identity and I don't know what you're talking about' you instantly replied with 'IP address or it never happened...?' So.... by your standard then, my request above is tantamount to 'documented proof or it didn't happen', right? Good news for me, then... Hopefully we won't have to wait as long as 14 days... I just always find it peculiar... So many people who are naive and innocent of trying to illicitly stream BBC content whose first response to the suggestion of impropriety is to bypass 'ignorance' and dive straight into a defensive and detailed demand for specific reporting... Isn't that a bit like pleading the fifth or insisting that you've nothing to say without your lawyer present? But what a great bluff on your part... They didn't show you what information they had but you claimed that the information that you didn't know that they did or didn't have was inaccurate... And somehow convinced them that it would be unlawful for them to share inaccurate information with a third party, which technically it wouldn't be because (a) the information would be inaccurate and therefore wouldn't constitute the transmission of personal information and merely constitute a non-enforcible error on their part which could be easily demonstrated by yourself and cleared up in respect of the involvement of the third party and (b) if it would have been lawful for them to share accurate information with the third party then sharing inaccurate information with the third party would not be any less lawful because (c) there is no legal requirement for you to participate in confirming the evidence against you in the pursuit of enforcement of a criminal offence. But great for you that it worked out so profitably because if I'd been the BBC I'd have probably laughed at you down the phone and made a mental note not to set frivolous precedents by rewarding you for being obstructive evasive. Really hoping that they send me some fishing letters because with that proof of your payout I'm thinking I could probably treat myself to something nice when I get my £250...
@@helmutsilver5006 No I didn't keep the letter as it was over a year ago now. I'm sorry I didn't have time to drone on like you have and fill in all the details. I started the claims for harassment after reading the FOI that was published on the number of harassment cases Tv Licensing have settled due to way they conduct their business.
@@alecturner2008 Such a shame. That could have really helped so many people. I mean, with such a victory as that for receiving some letters that could just be thrown away, I mean.... I'd have framed the fucker and posted it on the interwebs to... you know... deal them a death blow and give fuel to a class action.
They came to my house , I said I was a friend &was leaving. They said they would stay till owner returned. I said fine .Went got 2 kitchen chairs put them out front locked the door ' told them to sit & anything happens to house its their fault . &walked away . Needless to say they left .
No they do get returned to darlington,when rhey recieve the letter back they knoq rhw address is live,so dont send them back,as you are giving thwm unfo by default
@@thurstable1119 I personally add a ream of copier paper to the unstamped package complete with a years worth of unwanted threatening letters and a note pointing out that I don't bow to intimidation and I don't pay the wages of Peadophiles or Communists.
If you had been using the iplayer Capita/BBC should be able to tell you the times and dates you logged in to it in the body of the letter to make it personal and official.
@@beccabbea2511 It asked me for mine a while back when I tried to access it so i didn't bother finishing the setup and uninstalled it all... since then I've gone "license not needed" and removed the plugs from the aerials so that the Goons CAN'T plug them in if they ever turn up with an access warrant. If they don't have one it'll be the door for them.
I've just gone through the BBC iPlayer sign up. It didn't ask if you had a license or covered by one, it didn't ask for your address just postcode. In the T&C's it does state to use its services you must be covered by a TV licence. So as I read it, even if you don't have a TV licence you can still have an iPlayer account. And you can use it at any address covered by a license. I would suggest that anyone who receives this letter / email, would be to request they provide what personal information they hold about you. This information has to be provided by law, but there is an admin charge. I would specifically ask for the date time and location the iPlayer was used.
I have completed a no TV licence declaration, but that does not stop them from sending letters about being visited and actually turning up at your door. I don't watch BBC iPlayer (I don't access it, have an account or have it installed on any device (I might delete it from my PS4 to be sure), I don't have Live TV. So I should be okay.....until they change the rules.
@I'd rather be a blind moth Yeah I know. I've not accessed the app or have an account, so I should be fine. They have to prove I have an account and I use the app first. They can't.
This is nearly the 5 year I have been without a TV licence I don't miss not watching live TV ect,I feel more freezer not tied down to programs ect.Not had a letter yet & if I do it will get binned,I did do the automated opt out thing in the summer and that was easy,much better than talking to one of their puppets on the phone hope they keep it like that in future🙂Got enough going on in the real world without them bugging me.
Sounds like phishing to me, I filled in the “No Licence Needed” form after Emily Maitless’s monologue in 2020, I have heard nothing from them since. I think if I got one of those letters I would send TV Licencing an SAR to see what “Evidence” they have. I have not watched live TV or iPlayer since cancelling my licence and like you would love to get a copy of this letter.
Not only now do 75+ year olds have to pay the licence fee, but women in the UK have been swindled out of up to 6.5 years of state pension payments. I know because I'm one of them. I'm in the last year of birth group to actually get our pensions. Mine was at 66 years 6 months and 6 days!!!!!!!!!!! The government is determined to keep adults working into their 70's shortly before they become eligible for their pension. It would have been fairer to say as of xxx xxx date, any woman born during or after yyyy year will only get their pension on or after their 65th birthday. That would have been clear and brought both sexes in line for their state pension date; thus leaving all women born before that year in receipt of their pensions at the expected time. Removing the tv licence exemption on age grounds has been done simply because too many of us are living well beyond 75 years of age and it got the Government squealing that it's not fair, not enough pennies coming in to fill the coffers. I say Government because any increase in the cost of the licence has to go through and be approved by both Houses of Parliament before it can be brought in.
I meant 'get our pensions' withheld until we are passed 65/66years of age. Those whose pensionable age were moving got it earlier but the age/date of birth rose each year.
If memory serves, when you set up an iPlayer account, they ask for a postcode. You can literally put in any postcode. Chances are, someone else entered their postcode and the BBC hasn't bothered to verify the information.
@@ravensthorne4631 They are certainly logging your IP address along with the date and time you access the iplayer service, but of course they would need that information in order to successfully prosecute, so if you're genuinely NOT using the service, then they won't have your IP address logged. That's the way you challenge this stuff - demand to see their access records - or if it ever got to court, get your solicitor to demand these records - chances are they would drop the case rather than expose their info gathering tactics in open court (remember that anything that happens in court becomes a matteer of public record, and that's not something that the bbc or crapita could ever tolerate
@@ravensthorne4631 most postcodes cover various addresses. There are very few houses in the uk that cover just one house. And most would be farms or big houses in the country. BBC hoping that people will read it and cave in to their demands.
I live on the 7th floor of a block of flats. One of my new hobbies is to answer the buzzer downstairs, let the tv goon get to my front door then tell them I’m not interested in their services and close the door. They get quite upset as the lifts are out of order most of the time so they have to use the stairs. Just say no and close your door and don’t answer any of their questions.
I think if your going to phone to renew your "no licence needed". Maybe firstly, ask for the time stamp that they claim someone used your email address.
I'd suggest... just a suggestion... That if you're playing the 'I don't need a licence' card... Stick with 'I don't need a licence because I don't use iPlayer at all.' Keep it simple. Challenging them that you're pushing to see what they can do in court is sort of a dead giveaway that you're not pleading ignorance or innocence. 'What time did someone use my email address?' is a bit different to 'well, if that's happened I've no idea how but if I've been hacked then clearly I need to disable that email account immediately...'
Copyright "troll" used that trick quite a lot in the hope that people would pay up. Many did. Some fought back only for the troll to quickly drop the case. Some even refused to let it drop and called their bluff winning tens of thousand in court. So, in summery IF they have your details and the beeb "claim" to know that you've used their services, call their bluff. Otherwise, just ignore it.
Why are they cancelling people's no licence status without asking that person first? Seems TV licence can just do what they like, when they like, while making up silly reasons to do so.
@@MikeEves I gather its so that the BBC will stop bothering them with the very sort of mail this channel and others talk about. After all, if the BBC didn't make up silly excuses to send these letters, (they don't have any offical authority to do anything), there wouldn't be any need to declare anything to them in the first place. This entire TV licence fear situation is just a long ingrained hoax that people think is real. The ultimate aim would be to get the population to fully ignore them in heart and mind once and for all.
It would be interesting if someone who received one of these letters completed an FOI request, asking what information is being held about them that was used to generate this letter - this would call their bluff and also prove if the person receiving the letter is being truthful.
Hopefully one day soon, the BBC will realise that we don't want a TV license fee (when it's all repeats and nothing special) especially if we don't watch BBC or at least BBC as it's live.
It is not the BBC that need to be convinced, it is parliament. They can revoke the charter at the end of each renewal period or at anytime in extreme circumstances. So we all need to keep harassing parliament to get rid of the TV licence. If all the commercial channels including Sky , Freeview etc can make money ( and they do ) then the BBC should have to operate in the same arena and not be funded by forcing people to buy a TV licence that they don't want
Top and bottom, it's an outdated idea that should be scrapped and the BBC should commit to becoming commercially viable without a government sanctioned advantage. No disagreement there. Until then, the law is the law.
Ask the BBC for a IP address streaming route trace with date and time and also to provide proof that the IP address was assigned to you at the time of the alleged viewing - that should keep them busy
@@petebeckham8562 Absolute bollocks. They don't need to prove that the content was accessed by anything other than the pipe to your address. Demanding a MAC would be as idiotic as a murderer trying to get off by insisting that the police should be able to determine which one of ten identical knives was the one used to murder his wife on the floor of their kitchen resulting in him being covered in her blood and her body being found there by the police with him standing beside her following calls from the neighbours about a row resulting in screams and the sound of the knife drawer being tipped on to the floor. But if they wanted the MAC, iPlayer can happily report it to them without any hacking and no danger of illegality whatsoever since the user consented to use the iPlayer app and service. Not sure what your agenda is in hammering these threads with these erroneous claims, but glad I could be here to help correct them.
This is exactly why I stopped ringing them to confirm I didn't watch live TV or BBC iPlayer. Not getting any of my information which they can feed into their phishing campaigns.
Hi Jon keep up the good work. 1. Years ago when things were tight, we were told by our local post office, we could pay monthly (£11) we agreed only to find they took £22 out per month, when question they informed us it was 6 months in advance....which they forgot to tell us...so if I stop can I still watch for 6 months? 2. If people are wondering why it's so expensive watch the credits at the end of programs like Monty Dom (good program) but less people in it than I got fingers on one hand....but credits!! 30+.... producers...executive producers...etc. etc... 3. WHY do news reporters have to stand outside ...10 Downing Street, Houses of Parliament etc. When they are not interviewing Anyone???‽? "We are now going over to bla bla" but there is no need. But costs the licence payer.. Thanks
I got one of these, which was hilarious because when i filled in the no licence required form, the email address i used was a one time randomly generated one (disposable address), so you couldnt even set up an iplayer account or anything with it.
Question regarding the BBC iPlayer. How could they possibly know if you work behind a VPN, or if the person accessing the iPlayer on a mobile device who is licensed but logged into your Wi-Fi, The simple answer is they can't.
That might seem like a simple answer, but it's also not an accurate one. If you're logging into iPlayer with your user account and you're behind a VPN you're still logging into iPlayer. You are still liable under their terms and conditions. You are still logging in with an account that associates your home address where your TV Licence should be registered with a user account using their iPlayer. If you don't have the licence or you're not registered, you're not supposed to be using iPlayer... I know in the imaginary world of thinking your cyber-anarchy is invincible that it might seem that a really simplistic question might confound the Communications Act and all legal proceedings around it... but they kinda got lots of ways to have you dead to rights. And I think it will be the giveaway, if you do ever end up in court over it, that you'll be pulling out a whole lot of hypothetical arguments for how you can get around the law which demonstrate a keen familiarity with attempts to confound the systems by which legitimate user access is determined... "But your honour... how can they possibly know when all my devices have spoofed MAC addresses and I'm hidden behind twelve firewalls and two VPN's..." - "Do you work for MI5 Mr Big Gob? Is there a reason why you need to be more secure than GCHQ but then want a quick watch of Doctor Who?" You don't think the court might get the idea that you were taking the piss? I do. And then... What if the person is on mobile iPlayer and have a licence at home but they logged in via your WIFI? Well, first - and with consideration to the Communications Act - if it's someone else's account logged in on their mobile device, the BBC aren't going to be detecting YOUR email address logging in to the iPlayer system, are they? That's like saying 'the Police wrote to me that I'd been caught on camera speeding... It was someone else driving their own car but they did it in front of my house...' That's not how it works... The letter is about why - in the metaphor - YOUR car was caught speeding. You can then argue that someone else was driving it... but if it was indeed YOUR car that was captured then it's on you to reveal who the driver was or demonstrate that the car was reported stolen. If they come after you because your mate used YOUR ID to log into iPlayer from their device on your wifi then nothing has changed... Your account... your address... your wifi... Without a licence you had no business lending someone else your account on the promise that they also had an account and a licence at their home address... It's kind of a self-defeating defence, really... Under the law YOU are responsible for your use of a service for which YOUR email address is registered unless you can prove that some fraud of your account details have taken place. You are also responsible for the traffic transmitted over your internet connection. Honestly, I know it's a disappointment and we may be behind in many things but neither the laws nor the UK Digital Content Service Providers were born yesterday nor are they some years or decades behind the times when it comes to the many possibilities of internet technologies... Presume that when you access their services, when you use an internet connection - ANY internet connection - that every piece of identifying and incriminating information CAN and WILL be gathered to protect any and every possible aspect of that service provision in respect of legal and financial liabilities. They ain't giving you the keys to the cyber-city and trusting you to help yourself in the most ethical ways...
If the BBC were serious about stopping people from watching iPlayer without having paid for a TV license, instead of letting people sign up for an account without any kind of "license" verification, instead they would have people sign up an account and then associate a valid "TV License" with it.
I think that they fear that such an action would be seen to resemble a subscription service. I think that they are terrified of becoming a subscription service (too few takers) and would avoid doing anything that hints that they could become one.
If you havnt got a licence ,You canot watch any live tv etc , I get a really good feeling knowing they canot do anything if you are genuinely not watching it's a good feeling !!!!!
iPlayer on smart TVs like my LG TVs don't require a login, unlike on PCs and other devices which do reuire you to have a 'BBC Account', and they can't be uninstalled so if the iPlayer app on the TV connects to the iPlayer server (as it could well do for reasons no one knows) the iPlayer server will log 'you' using iPlayer. The app is installed by the manufacturer due to government rules so if your TV has an internet connection, for sayh Netflix, I see a potential issue which consumers can't protect themselves from.
Except that they'd need to know the address linked to the IP of the device connecting to iplayer and they'd need a court order to get that so not going to happen. I do agree that devices might be able to connect to services as part of automatic updating but there should be a way of turning that off in the settings.
@@Thurgosh_OG I disagree. Sure, if you have NEVER used iPlayer on a device which required you to log in to your 'BBC Account' then they have no way to link the IP address you connect with your TVL record ... BUT if you ever have logged into iPlayer on a device which needs an iPlayer login then when a smart TV connects they see the same IP address from the TV as they did to, say, your PC assuming both devices used the same ISP and router. As a related issue, if they ever manage to gain access to a smart TV connected to a router (say you watch Netflix) there's no way you could 'prove' to don't use iPlayer and THEY can give evidence in any court case that your TV installation CAN use iPlayer and as I read the related section of the relevant law that's all they need to demonstrate you need a TV licence. Am I wrong?
They have "records" - so, they would have to comply with data protection act request stating exactly WHAT they hold on an individual - which would be interesting, especially if it shows that they don't actually know!
I was thinking the same. If they have data on you aren't you able to request a copy of the information they hold? If so, if everyone did request this, they would be snowed under with admin! lol!
@@mechanoid5739 Unfortunately they can charge a "reasonable fee", I believe around a tenner, so whilst it would be worth it as a one-off to find out what exactly they do hold (and to prove the letter is based on a blatant lie) it wouldn't be worth it for everyone to do so or they'll be raking it in (especially if they don't really hold any information at all other than the address - as there would be no real work for them to do for their "fee").
They can't track anyone, at least not without directly contacting your Internet Service Provider. Your IP address is registered to the ISP & they will need to contact them to get your details. Not entirely sure on the law here but in this age of identity theft, I very much doubt your ISP would provide it without a court order. You are right - it's a fishing tactic ... or is it a phising tactic & technically, illegal :)
Well... not necessarily. as it won't be IP related and will have nothing to do with your ISP... just very basic silliness from people who have actually watched it after cancelling. You sign up for your TV license online and give them your email address. You log in to iPlayer using an email address The BBC just need to have a system that'll run a script for logins and compare that to a database of email addresses registered to cancelled TV licenses. That isn't illegal. Using IP addresses isn't fool proof as you're more likely to have DHCP IP address from your ISP, so the BBC would have a record of IP addresses that have connected, and the email address associated to the logon. So more than one household would connect using the same ISP issued IP address.
@@TrevM0nkey they use cookies to see what devices are using iplayer, if your signed in to another service like bbc sounds for local radio on your device, they can tell t instant you navigate to iplayer. This uses the single sign on cookie. they can then use a database like the electoral roll to cross reference your name to your address. Sounds complex but its a few lines of code and this could be checked automatically.
@@TrevM0nkey Not strong enough to stand up in court though. Also, as IP addresses change on a handshake protocol, the IP you signed up with would most probably differ from the one being used to watch, so the only correlation will be an Email login which, as we all know, might have been hacked or lost. If it's under a generic hotmail or gmail account, probably even harder to prove. They'll also need to prove that it was someone in the house using the equipment watching it and that it belonged to them via MAC Address, and they'll never be able to get that.
@@troythrust Depends what name and details you gave when signing up, plus they need to prove that you owned the device using it, or were the person using the device at the time.
Just remember that if you have used iPlayer and then phone up to renew your “No license” needed, then they have you in a lie and may well proceed straight to court.
Could it be possible the latest example of a cruel phishing scam to steal your personal data, payment card information from criminal gangs posing as TV licensing??? We've had a lot of them over many months.
The last time I used i player many many years ago , before the change to i player, i.e. you needed to enter your TV licence number to activate it? well that is on a PC, as I have not owned a TV for over 10 years and still don't miss it...
“We have attempted to contact you on a number of occasions by email.” I’ve had dozens of scam emails starting off like that 😂 I don’t usually read any further and it goes in the bin. I’m going to check my bin now
I don't mind receiving their letter's,as it lets me know,"That someone out there is thinking about Me". And I would be awfully upset if they didn't keep in touch with me, at least once a month. Keep em comin,soon have this second wall papered,stocked up with more wallpaper paste.😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😅😅
Talking about "fishing"... I used to buy a fishing licence as an angler on inland water ways... I dont go angling anymore and never renewed my fishing licence and I've never had a letter from the waterways authority saying I need a licence becauce I live near a river.... Just because the river is there, doesnt mean I go fishing. So why does TVL goons insist I need a licence just because I own a television.... Knock knock ! Hello, who are you ? I'm from TVL.... No thanks I dont buy on the doorstep goodby ... slams door ! Observe the walk of shame !
When you register for a BBC account to watch iPlayer the only information required is your postcode (assuming you gave your actual postcode and not a fake one) so how can they know which address in that postcode is using iPlayer?
From your IP address. That would then require to go to your ISP to confirm the user of that IP. ISP log internet use but they also might not for all services. Plusnet advised their statistic of internet usage would not be accurate for certain types of data.
Writing as a pensioner, I view this as legal harassment of the worst sort targeted at the most vulnerable people in the country!! It's about time this BBC propaganda mouthpiece was defunded!!
The most annoying part for me is they assume everyone watches tv, I went 8 years without the haunted fish tank. I wrote and told them I have no tv installed, this was before the no license needed bit ever came out. 6 months went past and the letters and threats started and continued through out the 8 years, I used to light the fire with the rubbish they sent me and never once did I get a knock on the door.
They're getting desperate. My mother has Alzheimer's and has been in a care home for almost three years. She doesn't even watch tv there, yet they've just sent out one of their warning letters to her empty flat. This was all explained to them before but they can't come to terms with it. I used to admire the BBC as one of the best, if not _the_ best, broadcasters on the planet but the sooner they fold and disappear the better. The Beeb is just a sad Marxist propaganda machine these days. By the way, I cancelled my licence 7 years ago - never regretted it.
I wish they would send me one of those letters, they would get a reply of something on the grounds of: you have 14 days to apologise and explain yourself in writing as you have falsely accused me of doing something unlawful that I have not committed and therefore defamed my character with your slanderous letter. Failure to do so will result in court action against you. I can only hope and pray they do this as I am spoiling for a fight!
After I they originally confirmed my online "no licence required" form by email, I was still getting threat letters. I emailed them to tell them to stop it and they posted me a "no licence required" letter as well. I don't think they know their arses from elbows. This letter will be filed under "spam".
My take away from this is Don't fill in the 'no licence needed form'. It just gives them more data to try and manipulate you, even when you've done nothing wrong, It's their time they are wasting if they want to keep coming back. I know Jon argues filling in the form sends a message but I think simply not having one and therefore the number of licences purchased going down does an equally good job, albeit it less obvious. Time to start campaign 'No thank you... goodbye'.
Thank you for the heads up! Whats the Enforcement Division then? I`ve been doing the online "no licence needed" for years and I don`t miss the BBC one little bit :)
@@RogueWraith909 Don't forget that Capita's acting on behalf of a government agency. They're allowed to get away with stuff that most of us shouldn't and wouldn't even think about trying.
Curse those pesky friends (that have a license for their home) that come round and use your wifi with their battery powered device (that doesn't need you to have a license)
I know someone who got one of these and I know they don't even have a TVs nor do they watch TV so the BBC and TV licensing need to explain themselves they are also aged and suffer with anxiety which is magnified by crap like that.
If people receiving this letter have not in fact used iPlayer, then this letter seems to me to indicate either a false accusation based on no information on the part of Capita/BBC, or an offence by them under Data Protection legislation for maintaining records about people that contain false information. I do not think that this is a letter to ignore. It is one that should be challenged in the courts. Perhaps Silver Voices could consider a class action against Capita/BBC.
Now that sounds like a plan...I also note these communications don't provide any times or dates to back up the alleged offence..ergo this sounds like trying to obtain money by deception which has now been superseded by the fraud act..however the general principle i would assume still applies?
Did the declaration last year after being licensed at this address, in my name for over 25 years. I now get a letter of some kind ( with varying levels of threat and menace) about once a month, always addressed to the occupier.
I would make a subject access request under the General Data Protection Regulations and specifically ask for copies of the emails they allegedly sent (with a date stamp) and the time and date they captured data that shows I was watching BBC iPlayer. Does not cost a penny now.
In my opinion, this might be due to activity when viewers are looking at the BBC news site on mobile phones. At certain times the site asks you to 'log in' to view further content, if you choose to log in you have to use your email address. The BBC must monitor all those who log in and then compare against the licence database...... then sends emails to those who are at the 'No Licence Status'.
I was blanking the bbc for over a year and the letters i was getting were comical, it looked like a 10 year old was trying to catch me out for watching tv without a licence....They were sending me red letters telling me do not ignore this red letter and in the letter they were saying we are coming to visit on the 10th of June but we might not come that day, we might come another day...
It's *completely irrelevant* if the BBC iPlayer app is installed or not... the point is that you can only use it if you log in to a BBC iPlayer account. It's only then that they'll (potentially) have any record of using the rubbish.
Pretty sure they cant use an IP address to identify an individual in the UK. (seem to remember a court case a few years ago where this was said). Also dont they have to apply for a warrant to get an ISP to disclose who was using the IP address. Sounds like a big old BBC trawl net.
I think they would need a court order and some evidence to get said order..but who knows these days..I think they would have to do an awful lot of expensive legal work for very little return..as has already been said if they could take you to court they would if they had any evidence ..maybe GDPR covers people from outfits like the BBC.
How about making a subject access request for the information they claim to have in their records? I’d want to see if someone is using any of my pii (personally identifiable information) fraudulently. If they then reply they can’t provide it then escalate it to your MP or the ICO
Have only had one letter as my address confuses the POST OFFICE. Await a call from a goon. Will order them off my ‘land’ and have never had an email. What is iplayer? Paid the licence fee since its inception now in my 80s WILL NOT PAY. Many older people l know have not had the courage to refuse to pay.
I take it they're talking about online? There's no way they can legally do that. At least it was illegal a couple years ago when I first heard of it. It's known as 'packet sniffing' where they can sample data being sent to your home, but all the information they can get is the size of the 'packet' of data, not what's in it. So if they _do_ do it, they can't tell what it is. Hope that makes sense.
It would interesting to know if people without broadband are receiving these. They will have a record of the IP addresses that have used iPlayer, but they would have to request the persons details from their ISP. I'm not sure if this has to go to court, I suspect it would as they would have show some type of wrong doing. But if they don't know who you are, they wouldn't be able to claim wrong doing.
Actually i Dont think any of these people have watched it at all and why? because if you try to watch iplayer they require you to sign up for it using your address. and anyone not wanting to watch bbc or have a licence would ever want to do that
It’s not hard to use a fake name and fake address, use a supermarket address I watch iPlayer all the time for movies snd football and my Mrs does to catch up on eastenders and river city soaps lol
@@gaz8177 00 Exactly my point though is that the letters sent out said they have wacthed it but in order for bbc to know that the person would have had to have signed up with their OWN address
Both my parents died in the last year and being a kindly soul, I told TV licensing that both were deceased, no licence required. TV licensing still send regular letters to their house - "under investigation, expect a visit," etc. And no longer using a name - just "The Legal Occupier". They're welcome to send someone out in this sh*tty cold weather - the house is empty going through probate! Once the house is sold I'll bundle up all the letters and return them.
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Do they not realise them saying they caught you using BBC iPlayer is illigal to sniff packets from someone's address.
I reckon you should schedule a live on evening and go through things and question people answer be a good idea I think.
@@ZachSmall Doing live streams doesnt interest me much. Appeared on a couple and found it hard, these videos take a lot of editing due to the amount of waffle that comes out of my mouth when i get going
bbc have previously said they wouldn't link license to iplayer accounts
@@theatheisthammer Could you explain a bit more? (genuine question)
If the iPlayer server has the information, could they not see who has logged in and compare it to the list of licensed households?
This is why I just totally ignore them. Let them waste their time and money with letters etc.
Same here! The BBC and crapita can get 🖕!
They should be fined with the amount of wasted paper resources.
Only one winner here & it ain't TVL.
your moniker intrigues me....
it's not their money. it's your taxpayer's money. that's the point. they're spending your money to extract money from you on false pretences and by intimidation.
Its so shocking the desperation.
They should be put in prison for these tactics
It is truly outrageous!
Its basically demanding money with menaces m8
Yes, if my business did this the police would be around as it's intimidation. However, if you report the BBC for the same thing the police clam up and don't want to know and won't reply to your correspondence. Police and MPs support intimidation only when it's the BBC. And I have emails from Nadhim Zahawi proving this. They are scum.
Next will be thumb screws for the non-paying over 70,s. FFS. ☹️
Just imagine the bbc brains trust sitting around a table coming up with all these intimidating threats; who's the criminal here?
I just love how they act as if watching the BBC (or live TV) is an essential activity that no human could ever possibly resist.
They think it is. They don't believe that anybody could live without tv, but in reality, watching tv is fast becoming a thing that only the older generation do - very few of the zoomer generation actually watch tv - they all use streaming services on their phones instead. That's just something their parents do. I only watch technical channels on TH-cam and haven't watched tv in over 3 years and to be perfectly honest with you, I don't miss it in the slightest. For much of the past decade, the only thing I ever did watch was Doctor Who, and they absolutely murdered that when Chris Chinballs took over as show runner - that was the point at which I gave up watching tv.
There is nothing worth seeing on tv anymore - all the good shows are on streaming services like netflix or amazon prime, and actual broadcast tv has become the dustbin overflowing with inane soaps, braindead game shows, woke so-called drama and extremist far-left propaganda :(
It is a truth that had become less relevant over the last decade or so. No matter how disingenuous you want to be the BBC, you have and do watch BBC content. Different people use the BBC at different times in their lives. For example in major conflicts, or national major issues almost every adult in the UK will have at some point watched BBC coverage of that issue. Just because you don't watch anything from the BBC 99.99% of your life, it doesn't mean you don't at all. You'll also use the BBC more at different stages of your life, with old people being a major audience for both news and daytime programming. Those same people may not have watched TV at all (or alot) during their working years. The arguments made against the BBC have been made for decades, often long before the arguments became valid. As of the last decade or so, its fair to say you can survive not watching the BBC, and not watching any live television at all. The argument that no human can resist watching live TV was pretty much true in the past, for the best part. They just haven't updated that view to fit with the modern world.
@@countzero1136 what an excellent summation ! I particularly like your reference to the contents of theover-flowing dustbin: how very apt.
I hear it is full of bames and degenerates...
@@countzero1136 I'm in my seventies and got an Amazon fire stick and cancelled my TV licence. Don't class all old people as the same. We remember history.
Next letter will be - Hello, i am a Nigerian prince and if you buy a TV licence i will send you a shipment of £2,000,000 in gold
Or maybe a telephone call from John with a Punjabi accent?
🤣😂😂 You laugh but I've won the Nigerian lottery like 40 odd times since 2008.
@@yyy-875 I had to pay a small £75 and then another £200 to secure the paperwork ID.. Not bad for almost $7,000,000... I reckon it was fake 😂😂😂😂 but I did play along with them leading them down a rabbit hole delaying them asking for bank details, promising them western union, I actually sent them £1 but to get the reference number and screw with them saying I had a technical problem it should have been £100.. I promised them I paid £100 x 3 etc etc.. Mate they hounded me and hounded me I'm pretty sure I wasted three to four weeks of their time 🤣 I noticed from emails their English was broken so I worded things and spelt things that would've made it so so difficult for them to understand and work out 😏
The tactic sounds a bit like the crime that used to be called “obtaining property by deception”.
Obtaining property by deception was formerly a statutory offence in England and Wales and Northern Ireland . This offence was created by section 15 of the Theft Act 1968. Someone should use it.
Particularly as I don't know what an "i-player" is,let alone having one or the knowlege of how to use one. Come to that there is the burble about blue teeth and apps. The same applies: what the hell are these obsessional UK things????? (just returned to a world that I don't understand. 'On line'????? quoi?)
@@icdgyixify I think that this fishing letter may come under "trying to obtain money by fraud and deception" but I may be wrong? They try to get you to pay even if you have not used the i-player app and trying to deceive you into thinking that they have proof that you have.
It amazes me how they can send a letter stating we KNOW this specific person have been using BBC player, while in the same letter stating they don't know if same said person has a TV licence or not.. Its like they are just sending these letters to people at random.. This is just a scare tactic. You can bet that if said person phoned them to ask about the cancellation, they will have no clue what he/she is on about.
@@maida-vale you just reminded me of that simpson's episode where the patient wakes up from a coma, finds out cher is still singing and sonny's a senator and he just pulls the plug on himself GOODNIGHT!
They’re acting like a crazy ex-girlfriend who just doesn’t get that you can live without them.
Or boyfriend or partner / don't be Transphobic now or against non-binary 🤣
And just like the crazy ex, they aren't bothered about losing you. Only pissed because they can't put their filthy paws in your wallet anymore.
@@kipp1231 😂😂😂 yh, that's true, they only see blokes as a meal ticket & a babysitter
A bit like the EU.
@@arthurmullard2788 How's that then, Brexiter ?
If they cancel my 'no licence needed' then I won't be renewing it. The door will be firmly shut in their face if they come knocking.
I don’t open any letters that are addressed to “Legal Occupier”
18 months I've not opened one. I found them funny at first & then it just becomes same idol threats different month.
I do cuz the paper they use is superb for wiping my arse after a good crap.
It's great, the council provides us with special bins for bullshit letters.
I open then out of curiosity, then feed them into the shredder.
I open them and then make them into paper planes for the kids great fun
Bbc can see the writing on the wall, methinks!
Thats why they wont go to subscription service.
There simply wouldnt be enough takers!
If any at all! The sooner the last person in Britain cancels their licence the better!
I've been saying that for ages
And I'd guess the number of potential subscribers would be in the thousands rather than millions. And with that sort of revenue, the BBC couldn't afford the salaries and production costs for their current shows. So it would be game over for them. Good
@@ravensthorne4631 That would be fantastic! The thing to do is cut the highly inflated salaries and slim down the workforce. You don’t need to pay people to warm chairs and push pens around. The so-called “box tickers” would the first to go if I was in charge!
Agreed, they would have to produce "Quality Content", pfft fat chance, they would have to spend money then, all we get now is repeats and box tickers, and shite...
i used to work in debt collection and it just looks like tactic. i wouldnt worry lol theyll send out the letters and some will fall for it so its worth their while
Hi Jon, I agree with you - sounds like a fishing exercise to me. My first 2 year legally unlicensed period is almost up and I’m looking forward to a Salesman’s visit.
Thanks for the advisory videos - keep up the good work son. 👍🏻
I don't think you are likely to get a visit. There are so many now in our position they don't have enough goons to cover it all. I have not had a licence for three years and not recieved a visit
@@harrish6 25 years at same address and never had a visit, it's so frustrating, I really want to slam the door in their face!
If it's a fishing exercise, I hope that their fishing licence is up-to-date.
@@andyb7963 I would love a visit just to see what they look like. A bit like the Yeti, heard alot about them but wonder if they really exist.
@@keithscott1957 phissing lol
"If we don't hear from you, your address will be treated as unlicensed."
Of course it'll be treated as unlicensed, because *IT IS UNLICENSED* . 🙄
They've been treating my address as unlicensed, for almost 12 years.
be interesting to see if someone makes a request for thier records (subject access request etc) as the goons are stating that they're records show this information. Another Nail in the BBC coffin
Seriously that's a very good Idea. In fact everyone should send a subject access request in monthly.
I also recommend this they are saying they have records proving you are breaking the law.
Therefore they have information linked to you - you can request this information and then they have to respond to it.
Burden of proof lies with BBC ask for proof of the allegations
@Mark S Well done, Mark.
@derek - The only 'fly in the ointment' is,... You may have to give up (forego) your ANONYMITY to do so,... unless you 'address yourself' as - THE RESIDENT.
- Also, an interesting point would be, - HOW would they have 'details' of ALL DEVICES USED or IP addresses, YOU (the resident) have, which are related to 'the property' ???
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I haven't paid a tv licence fee for 7 years and we watch live tv everyday, my trick was to move to Australia where there is no licence fees🤣🤣
there did used to be one there though i think
@@ChilliJonCarne You're right, I know because I grew up in Australia and the licence was compulsory for radio and TV. Sensibly, it was abolished in the early 1970s.
That’s a bit drastic for most people though 😂
@@Solitude11-11 I don't know. The way our Green / Lib Dem / Labour / so called Tory government, led by Carrie is behaving, it seem like a good option.
@@tocaat2410 Yeah, but they now have central taxation financing the ABC and SBS so there is no option but to pay whether you watch or not. That's the gamble of defunding the BBC (which I agree with). If they go to Subscription only, fine, but the BBC could end up being funded by general taxation which is not good.
BBC letters goes in the bin
And I carry on watching Amazon prime and Netflix
@S - Corr true 😭😭
@S - Corr haha I know right
Me too. And TH-cam has had fantastic content since covid lockdowns. Live streaming from Royal Opera House and theatres....films too at small cost.....who needs tv? (I have been doing wonderful classes with Dutch National Ballet) also YT has Sky News Australia - which is terrific - thus avoiding propaganda UK tv news! Doesn't leave enough time to watch the usual tv drivel. and perpetual repeats......
Ditch the lot of them I say, all that globalist propaganda brain sewage.
Might be worth citing the freedom of information act to see how they have a 'record' of you watching iPlayer. Would be very interesting to see how they respond.
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theres nothing free concerning peoples login information. A record would simply be a login attempt to their server.
I think you may be thinking of asking for a 'subject access request' instead as it's personal not public information.
@@toppjonty Interestingly, I believe that you would be allowed to log in and browse the menus at iPlayer without a licence, as long as you don't watch anything. In fact, across all of your devices, think about it - how easy would it be to accidentally open iPlayer? How many times do you accidentally phone or receive a phone call unintentionally? BBC can feck off. ;)
It is patently obvious that they do not and cannot have such a "'record'" of what you watch.
I got the email so I contacted them and I told them I was watching BBC 1 the day before they told me I would have to buy a licence to which I replied why I was watching it in the pub they weren't happy but it ended the conversation
Brilliant. 😊😅
@@astartewise8615 like it.
Question: - How did they (BBC) get your email address ???
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@@stevemacbr you have to give email when you tell them no license needed
@@dshe8637 - YES,... that's why NO interaction is best,... because, you will also then have to give your home address.
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Ask them to provide evidence of their accusations. This is the modern replacement for the TV detector van, which was nothing more than a man with a list of addresses of non licensed homes driving his little empty van.
"Detector van uses the latest in high end tech"
Its nigal with a £200 paid of binoculars in a van
I asked them to supply evidence such as a. iP address within 14 days.
Without evidence I said I would pursue them for harassment.
No evidence arrived, but another letter did, more threats.
My response was that they were holding inaccurate information on me and were stating that they were going to share that inaccurate information with third parties, the sub contract inspectors. This would be a GDPR breach.
I started the complaints procedure, informing them that I was going to sue.
I got a phone call apologising, £250 goodwill gesture and my email address is removed from their snotty letter database.
@@alecturner2008 So you'll have no problem showing a capture of the letter accompanying the £250 cheque they sent you so that everyone can have evidence of the precedent they set in shelling out £250 for 'getting a snotty letter wrong', right?
I mean, that could be a really useful tool for the rest of us getting straight in touch demonstrating that we all know that this is how the matter is settled and asking for our £250...
But just to check...
They write to you and say you've been caught using iPlayer... And instead of saying 'I think you've got mistaken identity and I don't know what you're talking about' you instantly replied with 'IP address or it never happened...?'
So.... by your standard then, my request above is tantamount to 'documented proof or it didn't happen', right?
Good news for me, then...
Hopefully we won't have to wait as long as 14 days...
I just always find it peculiar... So many people who are naive and innocent of trying to illicitly stream BBC content whose first response to the suggestion of impropriety is to bypass 'ignorance' and dive straight into a defensive and detailed demand for specific reporting... Isn't that a bit like pleading the fifth or insisting that you've nothing to say without your lawyer present?
But what a great bluff on your part...
They didn't show you what information they had but you claimed that the information that you didn't know that they did or didn't have was inaccurate...
And somehow convinced them that it would be unlawful for them to share inaccurate information with a third party, which technically it wouldn't be because (a) the information would be inaccurate and therefore wouldn't constitute the transmission of personal information and merely constitute a non-enforcible error on their part which could be easily demonstrated by yourself and cleared up in respect of the involvement of the third party and (b) if it would have been lawful for them to share accurate information with the third party then sharing inaccurate information with the third party would not be any less lawful because (c) there is no legal requirement for you to participate in confirming the evidence against you in the pursuit of enforcement of a criminal offence.
But great for you that it worked out so profitably because if I'd been the BBC I'd have probably laughed at you down the phone and made a mental note not to set frivolous precedents by rewarding you for being obstructive evasive.
Really hoping that they send me some fishing letters because with that proof of your payout I'm thinking I could probably treat myself to something nice when I get my £250...
@@helmutsilver5006 No I didn't keep the letter as it was over a year ago now.
I'm sorry I didn't have time to drone on like you have and fill in all the details.
I started the claims for harassment after reading the FOI that was published on the number of harassment cases Tv Licensing have settled due to way they conduct their business.
@@alecturner2008 Such a shame. That could have really helped so many people. I mean, with such a victory as that for receiving some letters that could just be thrown away, I mean.... I'd have framed the fucker and posted it on the interwebs to... you know... deal them a death blow and give fuel to a class action.
They came to my house , I said I was a friend &was leaving. They said they would stay till owner returned. I said fine .Went got 2 kitchen chairs put them out front locked the door ' told them to sit & anything happens to house its their fault . &walked away . Needless to say they left .
I love it. 😂😂😂
I haven't had a licence for 6 years of a TV. I wouldn't even know what programmes they have assist from the ones that pop up on Netflix.
FISHING SCAM, PURE AND SIMPLE!
I actually like to receive their letters. I enjoy posting them back without a stamp more 👍
No they do get returned to darlington,when rhey recieve the letter back they knoq rhw address is live,so dont send them back,as you are giving thwm unfo by default
Hope you put some more junk Mail in the envelope.
@@thurstable1119 I personally add a ream of copier paper to the unstamped package complete with a years worth of unwanted threatening letters and a note pointing out that I don't bow to intimidation and I don't pay the wages of Peadophiles or Communists.
Me too... Ive been doctor death, sue pollard, iva bigone... The list goes on. Makes me chuckle
Did just that
If you had been using the iplayer Capita/BBC should be able to tell you the times and dates you logged in to it in the body of the letter to make it personal and official.
I thought you had to put in our TV licence number to be able to access iPlayer. Not sure though as I don't watch live TV.
@@beccabbea2511 last time I used the iplayer it just wanted your email and a password to access it.
@@beccabbea2511 no just a ccreen name
Screen
@@beccabbea2511 It asked me for mine a while back when I tried to access it so i didn't bother finishing the setup and uninstalled it all... since then I've gone "license not needed" and removed the plugs from the aerials so that the Goons CAN'T plug them in if they ever turn up with an access warrant. If they don't have one it'll be the door for them.
I've just gone through the BBC iPlayer sign up. It didn't ask if you had a license or covered by one, it didn't ask for your address just postcode. In the T&C's it does state to use its services you must be covered by a TV licence. So as I read it, even if you don't have a TV licence you can still have an iPlayer account. And you can use it at any address covered by a license. I would suggest that anyone who receives this letter / email, would be to request they provide what personal information they hold about you. This information has to be provided by law, but there is an admin charge.
I would specifically ask for the date time and location the iPlayer was used.
Thanks for the info ! I haven’t had any emails yet but I’m prepared! Thank you.
If you read news articles either online or in physical media you must pay the Daily Star £160 a year for the new reading licence.
I pay £8.5 PCM to the Telegraph, but unlike the BBC it's quite good, and I have a choice whether or not to pay for it!!!
@@zippymark and you don't have to pay the telegraph if you read the guardian.
@@rjmunt The Guardian 😅😂🤣 people are waking up to there Left Wing crap, their readers have more than halved in the last decade.
@@zippymark couldn't care less. I don't read them.
No news on the Daily Star haha!
I have completed a no TV licence declaration, but that does not stop them from sending letters about being visited and actually turning up at your door.
I don't watch BBC iPlayer (I don't access it, have an account or have it installed on any device (I might delete it from my PS4 to be sure), I don't have Live TV. So I should be okay.....until they change the rules.
Tax free for nearly a decade, they send love letters occasionally, but as yet no visits?!
@@IRISHSALTMINER61 • 🤣😅😂😉 Great comment, loved it. Gave me a good giggle. Have a good day. 😘
@I'd rather be a blind moth Yeah I know.
I've not accessed the app or have an account, so I should be fine.
They have to prove I have an account and I use the app first.
They can't.
@@margaretblack8538 You’re welcome?!
This is nearly the 5 year I have been without a TV licence I don't miss not watching live TV ect,I feel more freezer not tied down to programs ect.Not had a letter yet & if I do it will get binned,I did do the automated opt out thing in the summer and that was easy,much better than talking to one of their puppets on the phone hope they keep it like that in future🙂Got enough going on in the real world without them bugging me.
Sounds like phishing to me, I filled in the “No Licence Needed” form after Emily Maitless’s monologue in 2020, I have heard nothing from them since. I think if I got one of those letters I would send TV Licencing an SAR to see what “Evidence” they have. I have not watched live TV or iPlayer since cancelling my licence and like you would love to get a copy of this letter.
Me, too, especially as I refilled my No Licence Needed statement last week! Lol
Not only now do 75+ year olds have to pay the licence fee, but women in the UK have been swindled out of up to 6.5 years of state pension payments. I know because I'm one of them. I'm in the last year of birth group to actually get our pensions. Mine was at 66 years 6 months and 6 days!!!!!!!!!!!
The government is determined to keep adults working into their 70's shortly before they become eligible for their pension. It would have been fairer to say as of xxx xxx date, any woman born during or after yyyy year will only get their pension on or after their 65th birthday. That would have been clear and brought both sexes in line for their state pension date; thus leaving all women born before that year in receipt of their pensions at the expected time.
Removing the tv licence exemption on age grounds has been done simply because too many of us are living well beyond 75 years of age and it got the Government squealing that it's not fair, not enough pennies coming in to fill the coffers. I say Government because any increase in the cost of the licence has to go through and be approved by both Houses of Parliament before it can be brought in.
I meant 'get our pensions' withheld until we are passed 65/66years of age. Those whose pensionable age were moving got it earlier but the age/date of birth rose each year.
If they did have evidence then the first thing you would know about it is a visit from Adolphs stormtrooper and a couple of cops with a warrant.
My point exactly. Hard evidence = court date.
Yep Stasi officers and their gulags.
If memory serves, when you set up an iPlayer account, they ask for a postcode. You can literally put in any postcode. Chances are, someone else entered their postcode and the BBC hasn't bothered to verify the information.
I know thats exactly what i did false postcode and a false e-mail not had any letters yet
Plus, how many postcodes cover only one house? How do the TV Licence mafia know which property was watching iplayer?
@@ravensthorne4631 They are certainly logging your IP address along with the date and time you access the iplayer service, but of course they would need that information in order to successfully prosecute, so if you're genuinely NOT using the service, then they won't have your IP address logged. That's the way you challenge this stuff - demand to see their access records - or if it ever got to court, get your solicitor to demand these records - chances are they would drop the case rather than expose their info gathering tactics in open court (remember that anything that happens in court becomes a matteer of public record, and that's not something that the bbc or crapita could ever tolerate
@@ravensthorne4631 most postcodes cover various addresses. There are very few houses in the uk that cover just one house. And most would be farms or big houses in the country. BBC hoping that people will read it and cave in to their demands.
@@countzero1136 agree use vpn problem solved..
I live on the 7th floor of a block of flats. One of my new hobbies is to answer the buzzer downstairs, let the tv goon get to my front door then tell them I’m not interested in their services and close the door. They get quite upset as the lifts are out of order most of the time so they have to use the stairs. Just say no and close your door and don’t answer any of their questions.
I think if your going to phone to renew your "no licence needed".
Maybe firstly, ask for the time stamp that they claim someone used your email address.
I'd suggest... just a suggestion...
That if you're playing the 'I don't need a licence' card...
Stick with 'I don't need a licence because I don't use iPlayer at all.'
Keep it simple.
Challenging them that you're pushing to see what they can do in court is sort of a dead giveaway that you're not pleading ignorance or innocence.
'What time did someone use my email address?' is a bit different to 'well, if that's happened I've no idea how but if I've been hacked then clearly I need to disable that email account immediately...'
Copyright "troll" used that trick quite a lot in the hope that people would pay up. Many did.
Some fought back only for the troll to quickly drop the case.
Some even refused to let it drop and called their bluff winning tens of thousand in court.
So, in summery IF they have your details and the beeb "claim" to know that you've used their services, call their bluff.
Otherwise, just ignore it.
Why are they cancelling people's no licence status without asking that person first? Seems TV licence can just do what they like, when they like, while making up silly reasons to do so.
Why are people declaring they don't need a licence? You don't need to declare you don't do something.
@@MikeEves I gather its so that the BBC will stop bothering them with the very sort of mail this channel and others talk about. After all, if the BBC didn't make up silly excuses to send these letters, (they don't have any offical authority to do anything), there wouldn't be any need to declare anything to them in the first place. This entire TV licence fear situation is just a long ingrained hoax that people think is real. The ultimate aim would be to get the population to fully ignore them in heart and mind once and for all.
Your last sentence sounds just like the government!! 🤣🤣
It would be interesting if someone who received one of these letters completed an FOI request, asking what information is being held about them that was used to generate this letter - this would call their bluff and also prove if the person receiving the letter is being truthful.
you are allowed to request all data about you that a company holds, so I would imaging people have done it
@@ChilliJonCarne Perhaps everyone who got the email and letter should do it. That would clog up their time and staff.
Threaten them back with a
Class Action against harassment will be taken - if you persist with these letters
@Steve Gee is it a crime ?
I thought it was a civil matter.
@Steve Gee huh! I'm so out of touch with the news - maybe I need to watch BBC news lol
Hopefully one day soon, the BBC will realise that we don't want a TV license fee (when it's all repeats and nothing special) especially if we don't watch BBC or at least BBC as it's live.
It is not the BBC that need to be convinced, it is parliament. They can revoke the charter at the end of each renewal period or at anytime in extreme circumstances. So we all need to keep harassing parliament to get rid of the TV licence. If all the commercial channels including Sky , Freeview etc can make money ( and they do ) then the BBC should have to operate in the same arena and not be funded by forcing people to buy a TV licence that they don't want
Top and bottom, it's an outdated idea that should be scrapped and the BBC should commit to becoming commercially viable without a government sanctioned advantage.
No disagreement there.
Until then, the law is the law.
Why doesn't the BBC's iplayer not just have you register your TVL number to use the service?
Ask the BBC for a IP address streaming route trace with date and time and also to provide proof that the IP address was assigned to you at the time of the alleged viewing - that should keep them busy
as well as the MAC address of the equipment used to prove that it was you, but in order to so this they need to hack the host which is illegal.
@@petebeckham8562 Absolute bollocks.
They don't need to prove that the content was accessed by anything other than the pipe to your address.
Demanding a MAC would be as idiotic as a murderer trying to get off by insisting that the police should be able to determine which one of ten identical knives was the one used to murder his wife on the floor of their kitchen resulting in him being covered in her blood and her body being found there by the police with him standing beside her following calls from the neighbours about a row resulting in screams and the sound of the knife drawer being tipped on to the floor.
But if they wanted the MAC, iPlayer can happily report it to them without any hacking and no danger of illegality whatsoever since the user consented to use the iPlayer app and service.
Not sure what your agenda is in hammering these threads with these erroneous claims, but glad I could be here to help correct them.
This is exactly why I stopped ringing them to confirm I didn't watch live TV or BBC iPlayer. Not getting any of my information which they can feed into their phishing campaigns.
Hi Jon keep up the good work.
1. Years ago when things were tight, we were told by our local post office, we could pay monthly (£11) we agreed only to find they took £22 out per month, when question they informed us it was 6 months in advance....which they forgot to tell us...so if I stop can I still watch for 6 months?
2. If people are wondering why it's so expensive watch the credits at the end of programs like Monty Dom (good program) but less people in it than I got fingers on one hand....but credits!! 30+.... producers...executive producers...etc. etc...
3. WHY do news reporters have to stand outside ...10 Downing Street, Houses of Parliament etc. When they are not interviewing Anyone???‽? "We are now going over to bla bla" but there is no need. But costs the licence payer..
Thanks
You are someone special Jon. There are thousands of people out here that love you and the channel... Not people at the BBC! Lol
I got one of these, which was hilarious because when i filled in the no licence required form, the email address i used was a one time randomly generated one (disposable address), so you couldnt even set up an iplayer account or anything with it.
I had one of these. Phoned them to advise their records inaccurate, never logged into iplayer. never heard anymore.
Question regarding the BBC iPlayer. How could they possibly know if you work behind a VPN, or if the person accessing the iPlayer on a mobile device who is licensed but logged into your Wi-Fi, The simple answer is they can't.
That might seem like a simple answer, but it's also not an accurate one.
If you're logging into iPlayer with your user account and you're behind a VPN you're still logging into iPlayer. You are still liable under their terms and conditions. You are still logging in with an account that associates your home address where your TV Licence should be registered with a user account using their iPlayer. If you don't have the licence or you're not registered, you're not supposed to be using iPlayer...
I know in the imaginary world of thinking your cyber-anarchy is invincible that it might seem that a really simplistic question might confound the Communications Act and all legal proceedings around it... but they kinda got lots of ways to have you dead to rights.
And I think it will be the giveaway, if you do ever end up in court over it, that you'll be pulling out a whole lot of hypothetical arguments for how you can get around the law which demonstrate a keen familiarity with attempts to confound the systems by which legitimate user access is determined...
"But your honour... how can they possibly know when all my devices have spoofed MAC addresses and I'm hidden behind twelve firewalls and two VPN's..."
- "Do you work for MI5 Mr Big Gob? Is there a reason why you need to be more secure than GCHQ but then want a quick watch of Doctor Who?"
You don't think the court might get the idea that you were taking the piss?
I do.
And then...
What if the person is on mobile iPlayer and have a licence at home but they logged in via your WIFI?
Well, first - and with consideration to the Communications Act - if it's someone else's account logged in on their mobile device, the BBC aren't going to be detecting YOUR email address logging in to the iPlayer system, are they?
That's like saying 'the Police wrote to me that I'd been caught on camera speeding... It was someone else driving their own car but they did it in front of my house...' That's not how it works... The letter is about why - in the metaphor - YOUR car was caught speeding. You can then argue that someone else was driving it... but if it was indeed YOUR car that was captured then it's on you to reveal who the driver was or demonstrate that the car was reported stolen.
If they come after you because your mate used YOUR ID to log into iPlayer from their device on your wifi then nothing has changed... Your account... your address... your wifi... Without a licence you had no business lending someone else your account on the promise that they also had an account and a licence at their home address...
It's kind of a self-defeating defence, really...
Under the law YOU are responsible for your use of a service for which YOUR email address is registered unless you can prove that some fraud of your account details have taken place. You are also responsible for the traffic transmitted over your internet connection.
Honestly, I know it's a disappointment and we may be behind in many things but neither the laws nor the UK Digital Content Service Providers were born yesterday nor are they some years or decades behind the times when it comes to the many possibilities of internet technologies...
Presume that when you access their services, when you use an internet connection - ANY internet connection - that every piece of identifying and incriminating information CAN and WILL be gathered to protect any and every possible aspect of that service provision in respect of legal and financial liabilities. They ain't giving you the keys to the cyber-city and trusting you to help yourself in the most ethical ways...
If the BBC were serious about stopping people from watching iPlayer without having paid for a TV license, instead of letting people sign up for an account without any kind of "license" verification, instead they would have people sign up an account and then associate a valid "TV License" with it.
I think that they fear that such an action would be seen to resemble a subscription service. I think that they are terrified of becoming a subscription service (too few takers) and would avoid doing anything that hints that they could become one.
If you havnt got a licence ,You canot watch any live tv etc , I get a really good feeling knowing they canot do anything if you are genuinely not watching it's a good feeling !!!!!
iPlayer on smart TVs like my LG TVs don't require a login, unlike on PCs and other devices which do reuire you to have a 'BBC Account', and they can't be uninstalled so if the iPlayer app on the TV connects to the iPlayer server (as it could well do for reasons no one knows) the iPlayer server will log 'you' using iPlayer.
The app is installed by the manufacturer due to government rules so if your TV has an internet connection, for sayh Netflix, I see a potential issue which consumers can't protect themselves from.
Except that they'd need to know the address linked to the IP of the device connecting to iplayer and they'd need a court order to get that so not going to happen. I do agree that devices might be able to connect to services as part of automatic updating but there should be a way of turning that off in the settings.
@@Thurgosh_OG I disagree.
Sure, if you have NEVER used iPlayer on a device which required you to log in to your 'BBC Account' then they have no way to link the IP address you connect with your TVL record ... BUT if you ever have logged into iPlayer on a device which needs an iPlayer login then when a smart TV connects they see the same IP address from the TV as they did to, say, your PC assuming both devices used the same ISP and router.
As a related issue, if they ever manage to gain access to a smart TV connected to a router (say you watch Netflix) there's no way you could 'prove' to don't use iPlayer and THEY can give evidence in any court case that your TV installation CAN use iPlayer and as I read the related section of the relevant law that's all they need to demonstrate you need a TV licence.
Am I wrong?
What's stopping people blocking their Smart TV from accessing BBC iPlayer related addresses ?
@@robincollins8215You are. Ability to use iPlayer does not require you to have a license.
I haven't been worried for the past 7 years. Cant say I'll be worrying now or anytime in the future.
They have "records" - so, they would have to comply with data protection act request stating exactly WHAT they hold on an individual - which would be interesting, especially if it shows that they don't actually know!
I was thinking the same. If they have data on you aren't you able to request a copy of the information they hold? If so, if everyone did request this, they would be snowed under with admin! lol!
@@mechanoid5739 Unfortunately they can charge a "reasonable fee", I believe around a tenner, so whilst it would be worth it as a one-off to find out what exactly they do hold (and to prove the letter is based on a blatant lie) it wouldn't be worth it for everyone to do so or they'll be raking it in (especially if they don't really hold any information at all other than the address - as there would be no real work for them to do for their "fee").
@@philogden3083 but if they charge a fee and do not produce the stated evidence could that letter be considered to be a threat and fraud
@@tonyhicks635 I would have thought so, it would certainly put them on the spot!
Bbc are scum
They can't track anyone, at least not without directly contacting your Internet Service Provider. Your IP address is registered to the ISP & they will need to contact them to get your details. Not entirely sure on the law here but in this age of identity theft, I very much doubt your ISP would provide it without a court order.
You are right - it's a fishing tactic ... or is it a phising tactic & technically, illegal :)
Well... not necessarily. as it won't be IP related and will have nothing to do with your ISP... just very basic silliness from people who have actually watched it after cancelling.
You sign up for your TV license online and give them your email address.
You log in to iPlayer using an email address
The BBC just need to have a system that'll run a script for logins and compare that to a database of email addresses registered to cancelled TV licenses. That isn't illegal.
Using IP addresses isn't fool proof as you're more likely to have DHCP IP address from your ISP, so the BBC would have a record of IP addresses that have connected, and the email address associated to the logon. So more than one household would connect using the same ISP issued IP address.
@@TrevM0nkey they use cookies to see what devices are using iplayer, if your signed in to another service like bbc sounds for local radio on your device, they can tell t instant you navigate to iplayer. This uses the single sign on cookie. they can then use a database like the electoral roll to cross reference your name to your address. Sounds complex but its a few lines of code and this could be checked automatically.
@@troythrust 2 words.. privacy badger
@@TrevM0nkey Not strong enough to stand up in court though. Also, as IP addresses change on a handshake protocol, the IP you signed up with would most probably differ from the one being used to watch, so the only correlation will be an Email login which, as we all know, might have been hacked or lost. If it's under a generic hotmail or gmail account, probably even harder to prove.
They'll also need to prove that it was someone in the house using the equipment watching it and that it belonged to them via MAC Address, and they'll never be able to get that.
@@troythrust Depends what name and details you gave when signing up, plus they need to prove that you owned the device using it, or were the person using the device at the time.
TV Licensing lying? Surely not. If they have evidence then proceed to a prosecution. Oh they don't. What a scam.
Just remember that if you have used iPlayer and then phone up to renew your “No license” needed, then they have you in a lie and may well proceed straight to court.
Fishing! If they had proof of you watching iplayer they wouldn't hesitate in fining you. 100% scam.
unless your iplayer sign in has all your real details and they can log on there system who signs in then they cant do it
They can't fine you.
BBC hasn't the legal right to fine you only a judge in one of her majesties courts can fine you
@@robwatts9437 and a magistrate.
Could it be possible the latest example of a cruel phishing scam to steal your personal data, payment card information from criminal gangs posing as TV licensing??? We've had a lot of them over many months.
The last time I used i player many many years ago , before the change to i player, i.e. you needed to enter your TV licence number to activate it? well that is on a PC, as I have not owned a TV for over 10 years and still don't miss it...
“We have attempted to contact you on a number of occasions by email.” I’ve had dozens of scam emails starting off like that 😂 I don’t usually read any further and it goes in the bin. I’m going to check my bin now
I don't mind receiving their letter's,as it lets me know,"That someone out there is thinking about Me". And I would be awfully upset if they didn't keep in touch with me, at least once a month. Keep em comin,soon have this second wall papered,stocked up with more wallpaper paste.😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😅😅
Talking about "fishing"... I used to buy a fishing licence as an angler on inland water ways... I dont go angling anymore and never renewed my fishing licence and I've never had a letter from the waterways authority saying I need a licence becauce I live near a river.... Just because the river is there, doesnt mean I go fishing. So why does TVL goons insist I need a licence just because I own a television.... Knock knock ! Hello, who are you ? I'm from TVL.... No thanks I dont buy on the doorstep goodby ... slams door ! Observe the walk of shame !
This is gross harassment, maybe someone should take them to court and have them lie to a judge, maybe in a small claims court.
You don’t “need” a tv tax licence, so stop paying?! Tax free for nearly a decade now?! Jog on Aunty Beeb, your services are no longer required?!
“You’re not special” I beg to differ Jon. Thanks for the continued great content and manner 🙏🏼
Cheers for the heads up, we cancelled ours in 2020, but we didn't know about this form, we've filled it in NOW
When you register for a BBC account to watch iPlayer the only information required is your postcode (assuming you gave your actual postcode and not a fake one) so how can they know which address in that postcode is using iPlayer?
Absolutely, they can't
From your IP address. That would then require to go to your ISP to confirm the user of that IP. ISP log internet use but they also might not for all services. Plusnet advised their statistic of internet usage would not be accurate for certain types of data.
just cancelled mine today jon now im a new sub to you thanks
Writing as a pensioner, I view this as legal harassment of the worst sort targeted at the most vulnerable people in the country!! It's about time this BBC propaganda mouthpiece was defunded!!
Here, here !
The most annoying part for me is they assume everyone watches tv, I went 8 years without the haunted fish tank. I wrote and told them I have no tv installed, this was before the no license needed bit ever came out. 6 months went past and the letters and threats started and continued through out the 8 years, I used to light the fire with the rubbish they sent me and never once did I get a knock on the door.
They're getting desperate. My mother has Alzheimer's and has been in a care home for almost three years. She doesn't even watch tv there, yet they've just sent out one of their warning letters to her empty flat. This was all explained to them before but they can't come to terms with it. I used to admire the BBC as one of the best, if not _the_ best, broadcasters on the planet but the sooner they fold and disappear the better. The Beeb is just a sad Marxist propaganda machine these days. By the way, I cancelled my licence 7 years ago - never regretted it.
I wish they would send me one of those letters, they would get a reply of something on the grounds of: you have 14 days to apologise and explain yourself in writing as you have falsely accused me of doing something unlawful that I have not committed and therefore defamed my character with your slanderous letter. Failure to do so will result in court action against you.
I can only hope and pray they do this as I am spoiling for a fight!
After I they originally confirmed my online "no licence required" form by email, I was still getting threat letters. I emailed them to tell them to stop it and they posted me a "no licence required" letter as well. I don't think they know their arses from elbows. This letter will be filed under "spam".
Thanks John, your still doing a great job.
My take away from this is Don't fill in the 'no licence needed form'. It just gives them more data to try and manipulate you, even when you've done nothing wrong, It's their time they are wasting if they want to keep coming back. I know Jon argues filling in the form sends a message but I think simply not having one and therefore the number of licences purchased going down does an equally good job, albeit it less obvious. Time to start campaign 'No thank you... goodbye'.
Good one CJ
They’ve been parking the iPlayer detector van in the street 😂😂😂😂
Thank you for the heads up! Whats the Enforcement Division then? I`ve been doing the online "no licence needed" for years and I don`t miss the BBC one little bit :)
I wrote them a letter & email stating I don’t need a TV licence & they STILL bombard me with letters?! I genuinely don’t watch TV ...
Did this a couple of years ago, still getting regular fraudulent demands.
Certain it's fishing, I wonder it it hits the bar for fraud.
Sounds borderline for extorsion to me... obtaining funds through threats.
@@RogueWraith909 Don't forget that Capita's acting on behalf of a government agency. They're allowed to get away with stuff that most of us shouldn't and wouldn't even think about trying.
@@englishciderlover7347 No excuse... should still be held accountable for their actions.
@@RogueWraith909 They should be held accountable, but we know they won't be.
Curse those pesky friends (that have a license for their home) that come round and use your wifi with their battery powered device (that doesn't need you to have a license)
I know someone who got one of these and I know they don't even have a TVs nor do they watch TV so the BBC and TV licensing need to explain themselves they are also aged and suffer with anxiety which is magnified by crap like that.
If people receiving this letter have not in fact used iPlayer, then this letter seems to me to indicate either a false accusation based on no information on the part of Capita/BBC, or an offence by them under Data Protection legislation for maintaining records about people that contain false information. I do not think that this is a letter to ignore. It is one that should be challenged in the courts. Perhaps Silver Voices could consider a class action against Capita/BBC.
Now that sounds like a plan...I also note these communications don't provide any times or dates to back up the alleged offence..ergo this sounds like trying to obtain money by deception which has now been superseded by the fraud act..however the general principle i would assume still applies?
Don't hold your breath when dealing with the ICO.
They just want us to roll over too.
The ICO is very busy - cos' of The Covid.
Did the declaration last year after being licensed at this address, in my name for over 25 years. I now get a letter of some kind ( with varying levels of threat and menace) about once a month, always addressed to the occupier.
I would make a subject access request under the General Data Protection Regulations and specifically ask for copies of the emails they allegedly sent (with a date stamp) and the time and date they captured data that shows I was watching BBC iPlayer. Does not cost a penny now.
Quite right. If you do call them, ask them for the 'evidence' in writing that proves they have something against you.
In my opinion, this might be due to activity when viewers are looking at the BBC news site on mobile phones. At certain times the site asks you to 'log in' to view further content, if you choose to log in you have to use your email address. The BBC must monitor all those who log in and then compare against the licence database...... then sends emails to those who are at the 'No Licence Status'.
I was blanking the bbc for over a year and the letters i was getting were comical, it looked like a 10 year old was trying to catch me out for watching tv without a licence....They were sending me red letters telling me do not ignore this red letter and in the letter they were saying we are coming to visit on the 10th of June but we might not come that day, we might come another day...
It's *completely irrelevant* if the BBC iPlayer app is installed or not... the point is that you can only use it if you log in to a BBC iPlayer account.
It's only then that they'll (potentially) have any record of using the rubbish.
Cheers buddy, good man 👍
Pretty sure they cant use an IP address to identify an individual in the UK. (seem to remember a court case a few years ago where this was said). Also dont they have to apply for a warrant to get an ISP to disclose who was using the IP address. Sounds like a big old BBC trawl net.
I think they would need a court order and some evidence to get said order..but who knows these days..I think they would have to do an awful lot of expensive legal work for very little return..as has already been said if they could take you to court they would if they had any evidence ..maybe GDPR covers people from outfits like the BBC.
I don’t watch live tv I have Netflix and an Amazon fire stick, the rest they can shove where the sun don’t shine I don’t need a license 5 years now
How about making a subject access request for the information they claim to have in their records? I’d want to see if someone is using any of my pii (personally identifiable information) fraudulently. If they then reply they can’t provide it then escalate it to your MP or the ICO
Have only had one letter as my address confuses the POST OFFICE. Await a call from a goon. Will order them off my ‘land’ and have never had an email. What is iplayer? Paid the licence fee since its inception now in my 80s WILL NOT PAY. Many older people l know have not had the courage to refuse to pay.
I don’t even open their letters anymore, ripping them up unopened is incredibly satisfying.
You might need those useless letters from them, for if we have a Toilet Paper Apocalypse again. 👍
Thankyou you have put my mind at ease thanks again
I take it they're talking about online? There's no way they can legally do that. At least it was illegal a couple years ago when I first heard of it. It's known as 'packet sniffing' where they can sample data being sent to your home, but all the information they can get is the size of the 'packet' of data, not what's in it. So if they _do_ do it, they can't tell what it is. Hope that makes sense.
Yes it is packet sniffing and that is illegal. Even if it was legal using a VPN would screw up the IP address. Nice try TVL, but its BS.
@@danmarkham2929 Cool. Thanks for the confirmation 👍
Send me one of those ! lol love Jon 👍
It would interesting to know if people without broadband are receiving these. They will have a record of the IP addresses that have used iPlayer, but they would have to request the persons details from their ISP. I'm not sure if this has to go to court, I suspect it would as they would have show some type of wrong doing. But if they don't know who you are, they wouldn't be able to claim wrong doing.
Thanks Chilli as usual great video they may put the frightners on some but not me
Actually i Dont think any of these people have watched it at all and why? because if you try to watch iplayer they require you to sign up for it using your address. and anyone not wanting to watch bbc or have a licence would ever want to do that
It’s not hard to use a fake name and fake address, use a supermarket address I watch iPlayer all the time for movies snd football and my Mrs does to catch up on eastenders and river city soaps lol
@@gaz8177 00 Exactly my point though is that the letters sent out said they have wacthed it but in order for bbc to know that the person would have had to have signed up with their OWN address
@@Secret_Squirrel_Scottishgamer ah yea sorry read your comment wrong understood 👍
Both my parents died in the last year and being a kindly soul, I told TV licensing that both were deceased, no licence required.
TV licensing still send regular letters to their house - "under investigation, expect a visit," etc. And no longer using a name - just "The Legal Occupier". They're welcome to send someone out in this sh*tty cold weather - the house is empty going through probate! Once the house is sold I'll bundle up all the letters and return them.
No, they are fishing.