Is there an alternative to Subscription CAD in 2024

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  • @isherwood9321
    @isherwood9321 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I have just checked the prices and they are very reasonable for a hobbyist. I will for sure test out the trial - and if it meets my expectations - hell I am going to get it :)

    • @IQWorkshop
      @IQWorkshop  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      If you have used CAD before, it feels familiar, which is great as the learning curve is softer compared to some applications.
      Hard transitions make you feel like you are trying to learn an alien language

    • @ElectromaaxInternational
      @ElectromaaxInternational 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I agree. I am really liking what I see here.

    • @IQWorkshop
      @IQWorkshop  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@ElectromaaxInternational this video shows my first uses of the application. Unlike other programs, I didn't have to fight what was in my head vs what was on screen.
      Yes there were differences, but I was able to work around my inexperience/lack of in-depth knowledge and keep moving forward

    • @Crashawsome
      @Crashawsome 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Any you don't share the price? Interesting

  • @ExMachinaEngineering
    @ExMachinaEngineering 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Atom 3D is a great package for the price. And another thing that people might not realize immediately is that Fusion's personal license is free but you can use it to make something to sell or sell design services with. In Alibre, even Atom is a full commercial license. You can actually use it to make money and upgrade to Design Pro later on, if that's what you want.

    • @IQWorkshop
      @IQWorkshop  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That is an excellent point!
      Since the f360 license changes and removal of the startup license, you cannot sell anything made with f360 personal license.
      It is a GREAT! feature of atom3d for hobbyists in that middle ground trying to take it to the next level 👍

    • @JokoEngineeringhelp
      @JokoEngineeringhelp 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Indeed, I have used Alibre for some freelance. I enjoy not having restrictions like that.

  • @cyclist_daily9327
    @cyclist_daily9327 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks for making this! I'm happy to know that you still can get away from the subscription model in 2024.

    • @IQWorkshop
      @IQWorkshop  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks for the comments 👍
      I'm a great believer there is room for everyone.
      But not all CAD solutions are suitable for a user or specific use case.
      We live in a time that there is so much choice.
      Atom3d looks to be an excellent product for the maker/hobbyist that is taking it to the next level.
      It can be used for your regular personal projects, but you also have the freedom to sell your files, the physical products.
      I'm pretty impressed so far 👌

  • @clangsauce
    @clangsauce 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video!
    I really like the workflow of Alibre. It's reminds be a bit of Creo and SolidWorks, so I found it very intuitive.

    • @IQWorkshop
      @IQWorkshop  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks for the feedback 👍
      So far I like how I've been able to use it out of the box with an intuitive UI. Some programs can have a steep curve to learn and unless you break the back of it quickly, it can be offputting.
      That's not been my experience with Atom3d so far. There is no such thing as 100% perfect, but I can't find fault as yet 👍

  • @deanroadifer6013
    @deanroadifer6013 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Just found out about Alibre and definitely going to give it a try. I've been using Fusion 360 for the last 4 years but hate that they update your software anytime there is a new version and you have not choice in the matter. Being retire I do all my cnc and 3d printing in the winter but in the summer I'm out and about so have to retrain myself constantly. Having a stable version I can learn and just do upgrades when there is a change that will make the job easier.

    • @IQWorkshop
      @IQWorkshop  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Just be aware that Atom3d is a cad only application. You will have to look at Alibre workshop if you want to output CNC processes 👍

    • @deanroadifer6013
      @deanroadifer6013 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@IQWorkshop Thanks for letting me know, I use Vetric Aspire for my cnc.

  • @sanantoplic8715
    @sanantoplic8715 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    LICENCE MUST BE activated all 15 days there is a option fo offline licence but only for pro and expert version thanks for the videos

  • @ftwproject658
    @ftwproject658 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thank you for the confirmation. Yes, a Linux version of Alibre would totally clean house. Rent-for-play CAD software business model sucks!

    • @IQWorkshop
      @IQWorkshop  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Keep a check back regularly. The folks over at alibre are saying a Linux version could be available soon

    • @MrLelopes
      @MrLelopes 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ftwproject658 Alibre is just migrating to it. Wait and see

  • @kevhooper8704
    @kevhooper8704 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great 3d CAD package !!

  • @honosu
    @honosu 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I own alibre atom, great for my needs

  • @Stuntman707
    @Stuntman707 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Alibre is brilliant. Found it recently and is the closest thing to Fusion I've found. Not quite as slick but functions almost the same. It's a lot easier to use than FreeCAD.

  • @MechanicalAdvantage
    @MechanicalAdvantage 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Curious on the EULA. Would you be allowed to sell me your license of the software?

  • @LuckyFortunes-b3q
    @LuckyFortunes-b3q 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Im thinking of developing a CAD program that has buy-once and receive updates forever.

    • @IQWorkshop
      @IQWorkshop  19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      If you can make the finances work, go for it 👍

  • @AndreMonthy
    @AndreMonthy 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Could you cover the Pro & expert versions please.

    • @IQWorkshop
      @IQWorkshop  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I will definitely take a look into them. For me Atom was the logical first choice given that I'm a hobbyist at heart.
      Let me take a look and see what I can come up with

  • @timheeney2060
    @timheeney2060 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In the UK, Aug 2024, it's Alibre ATOM is around £160 to buy the current version from the official UK VAR ( value added reseller) and additionally ( but optional) £70 yearly if you want support for technical questions and upgrades which is always recommended especially if there's training included - maybe not as that's one reason VAR's exist, to add on services and to be of service to their customers. VAT on all at 20% to be added.
    In day's of old, if you missed a years support, the VAR could ask you for back payment if wanting to upgrade to the latest version - i.e going back on support. I do not know what the policy is so check with the local supplier. It's possible that in 3+ years, you'd just buy another current version only which I think you should factor that in somehow to making your decision.
    MOST IMPORTANTLY, does it really do everything you want and need? Alibre ATOM is the base software offering. Once you bought it, you OWN it forever and usually, you don't have the right of resale- please check with the VAR your rights!

  • @rickthomas7427
    @rickthomas7427 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    can you tell us where to get the radius gauge please?

    • @IQWorkshop
      @IQWorkshop  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I make these but currently out of stock, so will be made on demand

  • @GreenPlasticWaterCan
    @GreenPlasticWaterCan 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I've been using Alibre succesfully for over a year now, in an industry that's dominated by CATIA and NX.
    No extra license for STEP support, you're good in writing macro's? You can do that.
    My client can do things in Alibre that a major OEM can't do in CATIA without buying yet another expensive license.

    • @GreenPlasticWaterCan
      @GreenPlasticWaterCan 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I do have to say Alibre does lack surface modelling tools.

    • @IQWorkshop
      @IQWorkshop  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nothings ever 100% perfect 👍

    • @GreenPlasticWaterCan
      @GreenPlasticWaterCan 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@IQWorkshop Fair. And nothing beats Alibre for it's price no matter which edition you pick.
      Doesn't mean I don't have a wishlist of features I'd like to see added ;-)

  • @johanfuhri
    @johanfuhri 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Why are they hiding the price on their website? Only option is being routed to local resellers. I guess this allows them to unnecessarily load the price...

    • @IQWorkshop
      @IQWorkshop  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I have asked the question. @AlibreLLC can you comment here?

    • @AlibreLLC
      @AlibreLLC 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@IQWorkshop Thanks Steve!
      For non US customers, we go through resellers to best support our product, for a number of reasons. No business can legally force a reseller to sell any product at a specific price. Many international resellers also have unique products like in-person training or hardware/software combinations and might discount the software if that's purchased. Alibre forcing and showing a price for 3rd party resellers would therefore not only be illegal, but probably generally inaccurate since the price is often dependent on what else you are buying from them, local promotions, how many seats, etc. - none of which is up to Alibre. That's why it's best to look at their website instead.

    • @HeathLedgersChemist
      @HeathLedgersChemist 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@AlibreLLC Are the local re-sellers going to supply the software on physical media? If not, then why not just permit purchase via the web for those who don't require training / support?

    • @AlibreLLC
      @AlibreLLC 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@HeathLedgersChemist
      There are lots of reasons it makes business sense to operate this way, but a simple one to explain is that many channel partners invest heavily into local trade shows, local advertising, and similar activities. It would not be fair for them to incur the expense in time and money only to have customers bypass them entirely and buy from us. Also, some people may not need "support", but they may for example have a license issue that needs to be resolved ASAP for a project. If they're calling Alibre, we're asleep. The need for experienced, local people who can provide pre and post-sale service is an absolute must for the majority of customers.
      It may not be optimal for everyone in all cases, but it works really well for most people with serious and legitimate engineering needs for their business who do overwhelmingly prefer dealing with someone local.

    • @tvideo1189
      @tvideo1189 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Get a VPN. NordVPN is one of the best non-logging VPN's going. Then you can literally buy the software from any country you like. If you are located in WhatTheFuckistan and the reseller there wants 27 million CamelKronurs instead of 99 bucks, just select a US node and voilà! You are now a US customer! Just sayin'.

  • @Ralstonvideo
    @Ralstonvideo 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    FreeCad! Will do all of this.

    • @IQWorkshop
      @IQWorkshop  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes it will.
      I have done a video on freecad.
      For me it's about showcasing options available to makers.
      I don't find freecad's UI that friendly, but people do get on well with it.
      If Atom3d is not for you, all good. Sometimes it's good to know there are options 👍

    • @tvideo1189
      @tvideo1189 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Yeah, FreeCAD will do it after you do a couple of backflips through your asshole to make it work. FreeCAD is the horse designed by a committee.

    • @sahhull
      @sahhull 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@tvideo1189freecad doesn't want your name and email address.
      So you are not selling your soul to the 3rd party ads, spam and scammers.

    • @-Kal-
      @-Kal- 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I love FreeCAD (especially with Cadquery) but it's not for the faint of heart.

    • @IQWorkshop
      @IQWorkshop  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I felt that one!
      You're right, it's not for the faint of heart

  • @rfournerat
    @rfournerat 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    As of version 28, you still have to model 3d printable threads yourself. Not that it is that hard, but I it obviously takes a lot longer to create a 3d printable threaded bolt or nut in Alibre than it does in F360 or other software. I don't think 3d printable threads are even on their radar...

    • @langrock74
      @langrock74 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That's true for the Atom3D version, but the next tier up has that capability if you need it.

  • @gecurbify
    @gecurbify 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I feel the lack of boolean support in Atom3d is a deal breaker.

    • @backpackvacuum9520
      @backpackvacuum9520 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yeah this is a concern of mine as well. Perhaps there are other ways to accomplish my needs without booleans, but I currently use them rather frequently.

    • @IQWorkshop
      @IQWorkshop  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @backpackvacuum9520 if there are no meaningful ways to work around this then maybe it's not for you 🤷‍♂️

  • @_droid
    @_droid 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I believe it actually does have an online requirement so not entirely accurate take. The only real true option is FreeCAD. It's open-source, works on most OS's, and truly impossible to ever lose access to. It has its own problems but that's all there is really. There is a free version of Solid Edge that is pretty good. It has tons of features and no license requirements for educational/hobby stuff. It does not need to connect to the Internet ever. I thought it would be more like NX but it only loosely resembles it and is not as stable. All CAD software is buggy as hell. Every. Single. Program. So annoying, it drives me crazy. I can crash any CAD program within 10 minutes even if I've never used it.

    • @IQWorkshop
      @IQWorkshop  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      my understanding is that there is some communication to validate the license at install, but once that's done an internet connection is not required. maybe @AlibreLLC or @JokoEngineeringhelp can comment here

    • @brankelly1921
      @brankelly1921 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@IQWorkshopyes I would love to hear on this because once it’s installed on my laptop I plan to go full off-grid!

  • @adrianscarlett
    @adrianscarlett 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Why can't they just use a regular online store? I have no interest in engaging with a salesperson when i should be able to just press a button.

  • @terryclair2914
    @terryclair2914 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    No MAC OS version makes it a no starter for me! So Sad.

    • @IQWorkshop
      @IQWorkshop  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Nooooooo!!!!
      That is a shame. One of the previous comments on this video said something similar for Linux.
      Alibre posted a official response stating they are working to remove the dependency on Windows opening the door for a Linux version.
      I'm not up to date on Mac's, but if I recall correctly isn't MacOS a Unix derivative?
      I would not be surprised if a Mac version becomes available, but that's for Alibre to comment on.

    • @terryclair2914
      @terryclair2914 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for that update. I would be very interested in trying Alibre if available on MAC OS. I'm currently using OnShape after moving from Fusion360 but would prefer something similar and actually hosted on my computer. @@IQWorkshop

  • @tvideo1189
    @tvideo1189 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What a great way to show a new CAD startup! Nice work and very informative starting cold like that.

  • @CNCCumberland
    @CNCCumberland 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Dune3D FTW!

  • @AsiAzzy
    @AsiAzzy 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    CATIA v5 still rules the world for this reason: one time pay*, you have the files, you can run disconnected from internet. Tha caveat si the initial price, and today you have to be creative in justification for catia v5 to distribuitors as they try to push 3d experience platform and catia v5 is not officially sold.. but for select clients V5 up to date 2023 and up is available to buy.
    *you theoretically have to pay for updates and maintenance. but if you don't you just sit with what you have.

    • @timheeney2060
      @timheeney2060 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Alibre Atom is CAD hobbyist level at very low cost. I can't believe you mention CATIA v5 in a post on this video even as an example why CATIA rules the world : 'One time pay...' if that were true, that lowest cost wins all, then there would be no PTC / CREO and no Siemens/ NX and all the other mid tiers such as Autodesk Inventor, SolidWorks, SolidEdge would also not exist.

    • @Jtstien
      @Jtstien 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@timheeney2060they might be an advertiser for Catia, it literally makes 0 sense to mention catia here.

  • @BillsWorkbench
    @BillsWorkbench 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I 100% agree that Alibre is the way to go. It is straightforward and intuitive to use. I have been a longtime AutoCAD user, and I find Atom 3D easier than Fusion. The price is right. I plan on learning more about it and sharing what I know. If you are interested, I would love to follow.

  • @eddebrock
    @eddebrock หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Yeah, I'm not paying 260 bucks for a limited cad program.

    • @IQWorkshop
      @IQWorkshop  หลายเดือนก่อน

      There are plenty of options out there.
      Just trying to show what's out there for people to make their own mind up

  • @sirrodneyffing1
    @sirrodneyffing1 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I've been trying to work out which CAD application to spend hundreds of hours learning for a new start up..and it's looking like Alibre

    • @IQWorkshop
      @IQWorkshop  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      That's great.
      Remember, it's important to find a cad program you are comfortable using, just as much as the features the application has.
      Good luck

    • @sirrodneyffing1
      @sirrodneyffing1 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@IQWorkshop Thanks. For the bulk of what I need Alibre looks like a good fit. Alibre + Rhino's Grasshopper is what I really need, but to start with Alibre will get me past the first stages. All the best.

  • @erik3205
    @erik3205 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I was going to buy this during Black Friday sale for 99 dollars, I feel asleep on the last day, I have been waiting for this to go on sale again. I like shapr3d, but paying 300 dollars a year is too much for a hobby.

    • @IQWorkshop
      @IQWorkshop  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, that's the kicker. It's worth trying a few different options before investing in an ecosystem.
      Once you are in, it can be difficult to extract yourself and your workflow from it.

    • @oscarbear7498
      @oscarbear7498 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@IQWorkshopvery true, is there a term for this phenomenon? Because I've noticed it in other hobbies. Where it's very noticeable is in CAD, it's like your virgin brain builds a foundation for it and all other things are from that first experience.

    • @IQWorkshop
      @IQWorkshop  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@oscarbear7498 I'm not sure if there is a term for it, but it is a noticeable. I guess for cad, it's about making sure you can get your files in and out in a format that other apps can read.
      Step and stp files are the most common. Thst way you ate least have a minimum viable escape route

  • @k3pch00k
    @k3pch00k 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    There is no way to resize imported SVG

  • @sanantoplic8715
    @sanantoplic8715 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

  • @danielstreng
    @danielstreng 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Does not work on macOS, so no.

  • @qerfqbAZRE
    @qerfqbAZRE 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Yet another software that does not run in Linux, that's pretty sad

    • @IQWorkshop
      @IQWorkshop  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I've not tried it on Linux. Which is a good point 🤔
      I might try to run it under Wine.
      To be fair, most software companies limit the OSs their software is written for.
      Small companies have small teams of developers that need to work on patches as well as the next versions, so need to limit their focus.
      Larger software houses look for the mass markets for profits and don't look at what they consider niche OSs.
      Give Wine a go. I've gamed in Wine back MANY years ago with AAA titles in Linux, so could be possible

    • @qerfqbAZRE
      @qerfqbAZRE 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@IQWorkshop Don't lose your time with Wine, I gave it a big try with Solidworks and Fusion360, you can have them work with a lot of pain but with no added value toward a virtual machine and a really significant loss in reliability. I hopelessly don't expect any better luck with this tool.
      Wine is a good tool anyway but if you stick to old products based on old microsoft libraries.

    • @AlibreLLC
      @AlibreLLC 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      We have been updating the software to not have windows dependencies, and the end is in sight. The possibility of porting to GNU/Linux and other systems for native install will be coming up in the next few versions.

    • @oscarbear7498
      @oscarbear7498 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@AlibreLLCWow! you guys are awesome, if it runs on Linux, it would be epic
      The people's CAD for a noble man

  • @HeathLedgersChemist
    @HeathLedgersChemist 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    And the reseller thing is a joke. The link for the Australian reseller is broken. I bet you'd get great support from a company which can't maintain web links for more than a couple of days.

    • @IQWorkshop
      @IQWorkshop  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks for the feedback 👍
      I have flagged this with the Alibre team.
      Hopefully they can get that fixed quickly

    • @AlibreLLC
      @AlibreLLC 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      With respect, to assert "the reseller thing is a joke" and that the Australia reseller offers poor service in general because 1 of the 60 worldwide resellers is having a temporary issue on one page of their website seems significantly and intentionally overstated. The Australian reseller has provided excellent service to AU and NZ customers for almost 20 years. Most of our channel partners have been with us for 10-15+ years. It doesn't really feel like your goal here is to meaningfully engage on these topics.

    • @HeathLedgersChemist
      @HeathLedgersChemist 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@AlibreLLC
      The 'local reseller' in this part of the world is in another country.
      They can't maintain links.
      They haven't posted on twitter since Aug 2009.
      If you don't think I was engaging meaningfully, why do you suppose I went to the trouble of chasing said local supplier? I've had a look at the wayback machine, and their website hasn't worked since Sept 2023.
      Why is it so hard just to get pricing from you? With respect, you've lost on opportunity to gain a customer.

    • @TheCelicasupraify
      @TheCelicasupraify 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@HeathLedgersChemist Yes, evaluate how effective their support is by how often they tweet. Key metric.

    • @HeathLedgersChemist
      @HeathLedgersChemist 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TheCelicasupraify Which is never. Nor maintain their website. What other metrics do I have to go on, genius?

  • @MrLelopes
    @MrLelopes 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    There is also plasticity.

  • @HeathLedgersChemist
    @HeathLedgersChemist 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is just an ad.

    • @IQWorkshop
      @IQWorkshop  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yes and no.
      Alibre asked me to try their software, so I did.
      The section of me modelling something is my real experience of using the software for the first time.
      You can see me do the exact same thing for freecad an open source application if you look back in my videos.
      If you have a solution, and you are happy with it, stick with it.
      I love showing off options because there are a million ways to get a project done.
      None are wrong if you complete it.
      Take it or leave it 👍

    • @HeathLedgersChemist
      @HeathLedgersChemist 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@IQWorkshop* Exactly the same or identical.

    • @MisterMakerNL
      @MisterMakerNL 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      yes