So trains are running between Dean Park and Everard Junction, perhaps via Tony North Easton, then across to Dragons Junction, down to Milden Hall and Volmer and District, then westwards towards Chadwick Model Railway, and back via Mackinley, and Lake Side, and across to Jenny Kurt.
Just wanted to say I am new to this and am watching all of your videos one by one- they are very informative and very appreciated. Not at the point of even laying track yet but will be soon. Thank you and keep the content coming
Hi, thanks for getting in touch and for your kinds words. I’m genuinely chuffed that you enjoy the videos. I really enjoy making them and sharing my layout progress. Good luck with your track laying. It’s a long journey from start to finish. But it’s such a great hobby. :-) cheers. Dave
Superb Dave ,nothing wrong to be proud of your country I’m a Londoner but proud of my Irish routes both sides mum and dad,shame we still have niggling quality issues on the class 91 ,layout getting better and better ,be safe and all the best Mark 😊👍🏻
I always enjoy your videos Dave, and Dean Park takes me back to an era when I still had an interest in the real railways. Your occasional 'how to' features are always interesting (as are Richard's EJ tutorials and improvements), so I can learn from them and see other ways of doing things. There's no doubt both of you have some superb skills and a big following. On a slightly minus note, and I hope you don't mind me commenting.... those mark 1 coaches really shouldn't have the end steps, and also the brake ends shouldn't have a handle and rail on the roof. With all the fine detail and weathering carried out, those fictional fittings stick out like a sore thumb to me. Keep up the great presentations and I look forward to the next one.
Another brilliant update Dave 👍🏻loving the new 91s and was great having Richard from Everard junction doing his magic on your mk1s …looking forward to catching the next one soon
They are nice. But if you go for a swallow livery one check it carefully. As most of them either have some scuffs/marks (caused by packaging), rippled/orange peel paint finish on the dark grey or marks on the yellow strip under the cab window where it has been removed from the sprue during assembly. In contrast the LNER and GNER ones are beautiful. Stunning.
Also an Englishman with an outrageous amount of GWR. Ordered my Azuma 2 days ago. It is lovely and with the extra coaches that are coming I think it will look amazing.
Hornby have been putting out some great models, if they can solve their qc issues and develop some metal pantograph they would be highly praised and congratulated. As it is they're just managing to trip over their own feet too many times and someone there really needs to make some changes or they will not be able to survive in the current market with strong competitors coming into the market and likely more to come over the coming years.
Great video as always. Loving your class 91 collection. I’ve got mine in LNER and looking forward to the matching Mk4s arriving hopefully later this year
Have you seen my pre order list? 😆 I’ve a rake of GNER, LNER and swallow on order. Most of my ‘modern image’ 91’s are for the love of collecting, I’ll prob only ever run one at a time, so only one rake needed, for now! I’ll prob add more rakes of swallow ones as I’ll be adding more swallow class 91’s as and when they are released. But I like collecting the celebrity livery machines.
Class 800 in diesel would be a good idea maybe get the hst to be pulled by a loco and have say a maintenance team meaning the wires as there down or out could be an excuse to get some network vans Crain and that as if there reattaching the wires. Would be good as most layouts run as a good day no delays or issues. You could change that maybe lots a HSTs at station waiting for the pilots locos to take them past the damages wires queuing outside the station for platforms and allow for maintenance trains to come bast to mend it. Would look good as a story style running season like as the start of vid with hst news article or what Everard dose so well. Could even model customers awaiting rail replacements for closed lines due to the wires been down. Would love to see it
Great review Dave, at last a proper 91, hope Hornby sort out their quality assurance issues. In this day and age there is no excuse, Hornby you need to up your game as the tiny issues are annoying.
Looking great, as always. I'm tempted by a new 91. However, I have the original rake with 91014 and mk4s in Swallow livery plus the more recent 91120 and East Coast grey mk4s. The GNER 91 released so far is post-refurbishment, so not really suitable for swallow, and there's not been a plain Virgin East Coast one announced yet (which could run with the EC mk4s) so I'd be limited to 91111 with virgin branding (which I'm not keen on after seeing how speckled the prints look) or 110 in BBMF livery (which is based on the East Coast grey, can't find if there was specific East Coast branding on it). Or, 002 in swallow livery, but that'd probs look out of place with the older coaches in the same livery (unless I stick it on mk3s and get a surrogate DVT as here). I'm gonna go for the mk4s in TfW livery, and get a super detailed 67 to match, at some point. Can't justify a 3rd IC225 set. I should really get weathering more of my 00 stock, and my 3 0 gauge mk1s. I should also get my airbrush working, as I've had it over a year and not yet used it (and one of the pipes is broken). I also need hunt couplings for my new accurascale IIA biomass hoppers, my new JNA falcons, and more.
It's a shame quality control seems largely none existent these days and not only on Hornbys models, having said that I am glad you are pleased with your 91's and did not feel the 10 year wait a let down. Nothing wrong with a bit of modellers licence, I run 70's to around 80's but could not resist an Inter7City HST for my collection and have a few other out of time locos that are mostly for display but do run from time to time. 91's sadly only get as far as York these days but hopefully you will be able to have another trip South and get one. Looking forward to seeing your weathered coaches running, they will look a lot better than the factory finish, I doubt you will give the Azuma any treatment but I noticed the pantograph cars rooves are a different colour to the other cars when I was out filming the other week.
Hi Dave! Love the videos!! I have a question if you dont mind that is, what do you use to control your layout? is it computer software? if so which one? :P
Hi, thanks. I use the ESU esos along with dcc concepts accessory decoders for point control. It’s probably best explained in this video th-cam.com/video/Sn4H-4tyQ4k/w-d-xo.html
Great blog - for some reason the Class 91 Electra didn't hit me in same way as Intercity 125 or the 3 I travelled most to See Gran at Preston from SouthCoast BR Intercity XC - class 47,86 and 87's. Got the earlier Class 91 train pack GNER 2nd hand about 6 years ago - keeping this but not seeing the Standout moment for me in new Class 91; looks fine model but still don't like the Pantograph and the big increase of costs with Hornby; finished with buying hornby > £30 due to my QC issues I've had on the Class 82 DVT - light bleed being main one; especially for £77
Buying hornby is always a nerve racking experience. As you just do not know what you’ll get when you open the box. Which is poor. I am happy with the GNER, LNER and for the fallen (livery isn’t perfect!) but the swallow is just not good enough. Wonky lines, marks caused by packaging, poor assembly. I got one that was fine, but not one I have handled… well over a dozen now. Is free from imperfections. Which again, is poor.
I assume the metal strips on the archway are part of tying it all together but being able to take it apart for access? Looks very crisp. Time for a display case for your 21st Century purchases! I'm one to talk. I have four Class 31s on my Scottish layout - my layout, my rules! ;-)
Cheers. The metal strip is to strengthen the arches as due to the clearance for the upper boards space is tight so the top of the additional arch pieces is thin. So a 0.5mm piece of aluminum just stiffens them up. Once glued to tunnel inside it’s very strong anyway. But I prefer the belt and braces approach. Dave
The IC swallow 91..... So near, yet so far. There are a few things that jump out at me as immediately wrong - The front windscreens lack any kind of framing around the edges and top which just looks wrong, made worse by the lack of black edging which you pointed out. The colours look about right but the upswept black swooshes from the cab side look a little rough and the angle of each striple including the main grey and red ones and the curved black part on the roof all seem to be at slightly different angles to each other. They got the design of the wipers right for the period, but then they spoiled that by fitting the un-prototypical camera.... UGh! And then there are the issues with paint finish quality as pointed out. That is so typical Hornby - They do the basic design stuff really well, they let it all down with dodgy paint/livery application. Despite all those little niggles, I would still like one, but not at the circa £200 they will be asking for a new one. I will wait a while until they become available second hand and hopefully the issues can be modified with reasonable ease. The GNER version seems to side-step many of those issue to some degree but the issue with the windows remains. They came SO close to getting it right :-/
Great video there Dave, some great content covered in this video, I do like the new 91 from hornby and will definitely be considering picking up the loco and the DVT in swallow livery, I won’t be getting the new mk4s because I already have 8 of the original mk4 coaches and from what I have heard the liveries of both the new 91 in swallow and the old mk4 coaches do match each other so if I do get the new 91 it won’t stick out like a sore thumb when paired with my older mk4 coaching stock, the 800 in LNER does look good and the model as a whole is one of hornbys best, as an owner of the GWR version from the first release and it is very good, I do think the light bleed issue is only on the LNER ones, some brilliant work on the wall Dave and that tunnel entrance looked really good, some great work from Richard as well, overall great update Dave keep up the good work.
Are you going to buy coaches for all the liveries for the 91s? That’s going to be very expensive! Shame about the QC issue on the swallow livery but hopefully future releases will see improvements
Hi, yes it’s a shame. But it’s still a lovely looking loco, if you don’t look too closely. Yes I am getting a rake of swallow, GNER and LNER to run with these 91’s. It’s gonna be expensive but I’ve been saving hard for it all. Cheers. Dave
No it’s still firmly dean park :-) however collaborating with other modellers is part of the fun for me. I enjoyed working on my mk1 coaches with Richard. I don’t get a chance to learn new skills and share my skills in person with another modeller, so when the chance arises, I enjoy it.
It is nice to see and hear that Hornby has nearly got something right. The Azuma does look very nice and then you look at the 91 and it is back to square one again. Quality Control Hornby get a grip on it. Nobody likes knocking the same company time after time. I guess when China send over the painted supplies for approval they take that extra care to get them right, We are all blaming Hornby, but they are made in China and I would guess that they are hearing the same from Hornby. Martin. (Thailand)
The swallow livery is by far the poorest of the batch. I have held well over a dozen of the models and each and every one had a mark, flaw or paint ripple. Some models had a range of issues. Poor really! Ive not seen one that I would say was ‘perfect’.
Random question… i notice on the shots of your HST inaugurating the new tunnel portal (and even the Class 91 and its rake) that your buffet coach seems to be wrong way round? If you look at the flow of the train, you have 2 first class coaches then the seating area of the buffet car before the actual ‘serving area’…. Wouldnt that seating area be standard class seating? And then theres no separation between the first class and standard class… however if the buffet coach was swapped end for end (like on the HST shown in the Everard junction section of the video)…….. then the actual serving area becomes the “separation” between the standard and first class… just curious if this is an over active imagination on my part of not….
Hi. My buffet is the correct way around for this train. Most of the time this is how it was configured. The seating area in the buffet/restaurant car was usually set up for meals, so not just a normal seating area. There are also instances of it being the other way around. But this is less common. That is how Everard has configured it. The ones on the east coast were configured how I run them. As with everything there were always instances of things being different. It was after all British rail 😆
As always an interesting and varied video but I do think that when we are being asked for such big money for these models things like light bleed, paint imperfections and cheap pantographes is unacceptable, that Azuma is nearly £500 full retail and if you're prepared to spend that sort of money surely you would be prepared to pay a few pence more to not have these faults.
I’d certainly not be paying £500 for it! It’s simply not worth that. If you don’t run it in the dark (and who does anyway?) it’s nice. But that doesn’t excuse the light bleed. The pantograph bothers me more!… really is a stupid cheap and plasticy design.
Excellent as usual! I wonder - I do not know the answer - if you removed all your 80's/90's rolling stock and road vehicles, and replaced them with modern versions, would the rest of the layout be 'correct' ? I guess maybe the signage and the advertisements might be wrong, but otherwise? Not suggesting you do this as it would cost you a fortune in new stuff.
Hi, I would get away with it, but some infrastructure and details would still be 80’s/90’s relevant. I’d get away running GNER without any changes but for LNER more changes would need to be made. But that doesn’t bother me. I enjoy a LNER modern day running session from time to time regardless :-)
One question about the buffer fitted class 43, does it have an NEM pocket Dave, to put a coupling in, so you could replicate a 91 pulling the train slab end first, with the HST power car ,and 91 nose to nose?
On the topic of suppressors... Not quite sure I understand how you can fit to both ends of the bus wire? Doesn't one end of the bus wire connect to the power supply?
@@DeanPark I found an N gauge one with DVT on ebay. Like gold dust. I wish grafar would do another run. I'm hoping to find a Virgin west coast class 47 :-)
Hornby models have gone down when they started making them in China and we pay the price for the models. I try not too buy Hornby now .The stream motion are to thin and break easily. I have two locomotive waiting to be fix . The 91class is not for my layout . My layout is set in the Sixties mainly 1958-1971 .look good on your layout. Happy modelling 😀👍
Hi. When hornby first moved to China the stuff they were producing was amazing, they used a factory/company called sanda-kan (correct spelling?!!) that produced first class flawlessly finished models. Sadly that factory was apparently bought over by a rival and hornby had to find other factories to build their stuff. Then that’s when things started to get dodgey. There are good favorites and not so good favorites. It depends which factory hornby use for a particular model that seems to effect the quality!
Any reason for using enamel paints over water based? Would rather use water based for my project because of lack of fumes and ease of cleaning. However are enamels somehow better for weathering? Thanks
Hi. I find enamel harder wearing. Acrylic is t a durable in my experience. It’s all down to personal taste. I also like how enamel takes longer to dry and flows better, giving a better finish…but again, that’s just my opinion.
Haha, it’s firmly Dean park, collaborating with Everard junction to learn new skills. And sharing them for everyone to see and try for themselves. That’s what this hobby should be about, don’t you tbink? Unlike some TH-camrs who won’t share an ounce of advice without charging for it via Patreon etc. Showing, sharing, documenting, learning and enjoying. That’s why I enjoy making videos. Im confident that Richard of Everard is very much the same.
Yeah I’ll be investing in a whole new fleet of them. Gonna cost me!, but once I have them I don’t have to buy any more!…well that’s what I’m telling myself!!
So I just wanna know, why does the layout have to be 100% accurate to real life or what time your layout is set in? Are you a purist? Also will you run anything from other countries or even a class 390
I know Hornby has come in for a lot of criticism off late , and quite rightly so, however my I suggest you have a look on TH-cam at Hornby beyond the buffers. They talk with the main designer, and gives you a good insight on the difficulties in trying to produce a model as realistic, and true model as possible, like the 91, while trying to keep the manufacturing costs down. The next time you review a mew item, might pay you to look at the other side. No criticism of your review, but sometimes I think your reviews your Expectations are to high. Love your videos
Hi, thanks. I’m hope you enjoyed watching. My expectations are high. And at £200+ for a model, so they should be! My reviews are generally very constructive and balanced…where there is a balance to be struck. I too saw/listened to this enjoyable podcast and it was great to hear from the designer of the 91. I was interested in him talking about how they found the loco wobbled while testing and how he solved the issue. Sadly, he should have tested it some more as the models have a tendency to wobble! Bachmann and Heljan manage to produce flawless running AC locos. So I can’t accept that Hornby have started lagging behind in this area. The finish of the paint on the swallow livery is frankly shocking in some areas! Rippled, orange peel appearance on the dark grey, scuffs caused by the flimsy plastic used in the packaging allowing it to twist and move too much, scuffing the paint on the sides of the loco’s. That’s not a Hornby design issue. That’s down to the Chinese factory. All of the major issues have come from poor assembly and painting. I think my review was fair and I carefully consider the language and tone I use. I’m a fan of Hornby, I really like their new 91. However it’s let itself down in a few areas.
The Hornby Class 91 looks ace though to me it seems utterly ludicrous that Hornby did not release Mk 4s and a Mk 4 DVT alongside it at the same time. I would rather get the APT but I the Class 91 looks so good. If I do get one, it will definitely be in the Intercity swallow livery.
I thought I’d removed some of the mid rolls ads as I watched it and got p***ed off with them too. I’ll check this again. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. TH-cam automatically flood videos and you have to go back in and manage them.
@@DeanPark I’ve had both a class 87 and a class 91 from Hornby and in both instances the pantograph have become detached from the locos and trying to reattach them they break compared to the old metal Hornby pantographs which where operational
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So trains are running between Dean Park and Everard Junction, perhaps via Tony North Easton, then across to Dragons Junction, down to Milden Hall and Volmer and District, then westwards towards Chadwick Model Railway, and back via Mackinley, and Lake Side, and across to Jenny Kurt.
Trains run direct between Everard and Dean Park for sure.
Well done sir! The intercity "Swallow livery" is indeed the best IMHO.
I'm so glad you refuse to change your modeling era!
Cheers. Yeah it looks stunning, but sadly there are issues wi try the quality of these liveried models.
@@DeanPark Oh shoot, and you have three :-(
Just wanted to say I am new to this and am watching all of your videos one by one- they are very informative and very appreciated. Not at the point of even laying track yet but will be soon. Thank you and keep the content coming
Hi, thanks for getting in touch and for your kinds words. I’m genuinely chuffed that you enjoy the videos. I really enjoy making them and sharing my layout progress. Good luck with your track laying. It’s a long journey from start to finish. But it’s such a great hobby. :-) cheers. Dave
Great video Dave. Always good to see collaboration between modellers. Dean Park and Everard Junction are a very good fit. Thanks for sharing. Roy.
Superb Dave ,nothing wrong to be proud of your country I’m a Londoner but proud of my Irish routes both sides mum and dad,shame we still have niggling quality issues on the class 91 ,layout getting better and better ,be safe and all the best Mark 😊👍🏻
Cheers Mark. Yeah pity it had to be largely confined to the classic swallow liveried one too! Dave 🇬🇧 🏴;-)
What a great start to the weekend! Excited to watch
I always enjoy your videos Dave, and Dean Park takes me back to an era when I still had an interest in the real railways. Your occasional 'how to' features are always interesting (as are Richard's EJ tutorials and improvements), so I can learn from them and see other ways of doing things. There's no doubt both of you have some superb skills and a big following.
On a slightly minus note, and I hope you don't mind me commenting.... those mark 1 coaches really shouldn't have the end steps, and also the brake ends shouldn't have a handle and rail on the roof. With all the fine detail and weathering carried out, those fictional fittings stick out like a sore thumb to me.
Keep up the great presentations and I look forward to the next one.
Hi. Thanks. I’m glad you enjoyed it.
Thanks for the feedback on the mk1 too. I was not aware of the inaccuracies at the ends of these coaches.
Many thanks for another great video. Keep them coming. Take care.
Some fantastic rolling stock on display. Especially the Azuma, a favourite of mine also, as well as the GNER.
Another brilliant update Dave 👍🏻loving the new 91s and was great having Richard from Everard junction doing his magic on your mk1s …looking forward to catching the next one soon
Awesome as always Dave!!! Thanks for sharing this video. Cheers Onno.
Excellent video Dave your new purchases look amazing the azuma running session looked really smart thankyou for the video
Great update Dave. Looking orward to seeing the completed MK2 coach project. Love the rest of the stuff in the update as well. - Nicholas.
Cheers Nicholas :-)
Can wait to see those mk 1 coaches in video 300.
Some nice additions there despite the time anomaly. They look really good running on the layout. Thanks for the update, I enjoyed the video.👍🇨🇦
Hi, thanks. The models are really nice. Not perfect. But what is these days 😆
Crikey Dave you have been busy! Spent a few quid on those Hornby loco’s too.
Enjoyed the weathering ‘how to’ with Richard. Another great update.
Sometimes it feels like I’m not making any significant progress. But when I do my videos I realize I’ve done a lot more.
I love the class 91's I've got one of the original Hornby train sets the class 91👌👍
I am tempted by one of the locos. Good video thanks
They are nice. But if you go for a swallow livery one check it carefully. As most of them either have some scuffs/marks (caused by packaging), rippled/orange peel paint finish on the dark grey or marks on the yellow strip under the cab window where it has been removed from the sprue during assembly.
In contrast the LNER and GNER ones are beautiful. Stunning.
@@DeanPark thank you
Quite fitting watching this tonight as I've got 91119 on the front of my 1D29 👍
Brill. I do miss seeing the 91’s at Edinburgh
The new tunnel portal must be magic, it seems to be linking to the future and also other layouts🤣. well done Dave
13.50 great shot of the layout the class 91 in front class 90 intercity livery in the back ground with the hst's & class 40 & 47
I have to say that the livery on the Azuma is absolutely stunning - I’m tempted and I’m an Englishman who models GWR!!! 😂
Keep up the great work!
Also an Englishman with an outrageous amount of GWR. Ordered my Azuma 2 days ago. It is lovely and with the extra coaches that are coming I think it will look amazing.
nice train miniature fotage, you did a good filming, keep up good work, thanks for sharing.. greetings new friend
Hornby have been putting out some great models, if they can solve their qc issues and develop some metal pantograph they would be highly praised and congratulated. As it is they're just managing to trip over their own feet too many times and someone there really needs to make some changes or they will not be able to survive in the current market with strong competitors coming into the market and likely more to come over the coming years.
Great video as always. Loving your class 91 collection. I’ve got mine in LNER and looking forward to the matching Mk4s arriving hopefully later this year
Cheers. Yeah I’m looking forward to completing the 225 train and running it in all its glory
A few videos later... 36 Mk4 coaches and 4 Mk4 DVTs arrive at Dean Park!
Have you seen my pre order list? 😆 I’ve a rake of GNER, LNER and swallow on order. Most of my ‘modern image’ 91’s are for the love of collecting, I’ll prob only ever run one at a time, so only one rake needed, for now!
I’ll prob add more rakes of swallow ones as I’ll be adding more swallow class 91’s as and when they are released.
But I like collecting the celebrity livery machines.
Class 800 in diesel would be a good idea maybe get the hst to be pulled by a loco and have say a maintenance team meaning the wires as there down or out could be an excuse to get some network vans Crain and that as if there reattaching the wires. Would be good as most layouts run as a good day no delays or issues. You could change that maybe lots a HSTs at station waiting for the pilots locos to take them past the damages wires queuing outside the station for platforms and allow for maintenance trains to come bast to mend it.
Would look good as a story style running season like as the start of vid with hst news article or what Everard dose so well.
Could even model customers awaiting rail replacements for closed lines due to the wires been down. Would love to see it
Dean Park Model Railway 300 | Bankruptcy.... I assume the accurascale deltic is up next for you?
Yes…but good news there…I paid one of them up and the third is part paid. So it won’t be a financial disaster!
Great review Dave, at last a proper 91, hope Hornby sort out their quality assurance issues. In this day and age there is no excuse, Hornby you need to up your game as the tiny issues are annoying.
Loving it Dave, that depot is incredible. Reminds me of Haymarket
Thanks. It’s a shrunken haymarket with a fictitious twist 😆
Looking great, as always.
I'm tempted by a new 91. However, I have the original rake with 91014 and mk4s in Swallow livery plus the more recent 91120 and East Coast grey mk4s. The GNER 91 released so far is post-refurbishment, so not really suitable for swallow, and there's not been a plain Virgin East Coast one announced yet (which could run with the EC mk4s) so I'd be limited to 91111 with virgin branding (which I'm not keen on after seeing how speckled the prints look) or 110 in BBMF livery (which is based on the East Coast grey, can't find if there was specific East Coast branding on it). Or, 002 in swallow livery, but that'd probs look out of place with the older coaches in the same livery (unless I stick it on mk3s and get a surrogate DVT as here).
I'm gonna go for the mk4s in TfW livery, and get a super detailed 67 to match, at some point. Can't justify a 3rd IC225 set.
I should really get weathering more of my 00 stock, and my 3 0 gauge mk1s. I should also get my airbrush working, as I've had it over a year and not yet used it (and one of the pipes
is broken). I also need hunt couplings for my new accurascale IIA biomass hoppers, my new JNA falcons, and more.
It's a shame quality control seems largely none existent these days and not only on Hornbys models, having said that I am glad you are pleased with your 91's and did not feel the 10 year wait a let down. Nothing wrong with a bit of modellers licence, I run 70's to around 80's but could not resist an Inter7City HST for my collection and have a few other out of time locos that are mostly for display but do run from time to time. 91's sadly only get as far as York these days but hopefully you will be able to have another trip South and get one. Looking forward to seeing your weathered coaches running, they will look a lot better than the factory finish, I doubt you will give the Azuma any treatment but I noticed the pantograph cars rooves are a different colour to the other cars when I was out filming the other week.
Hi Dave! Love the videos!! I have a question if you dont mind that is, what do you use to control your layout? is it computer software? if so which one? :P
Hi, thanks. I use the ESU esos along with dcc concepts accessory decoders for point control. It’s probably best explained in this video th-cam.com/video/Sn4H-4tyQ4k/w-d-xo.html
Great blog - for some reason the Class 91 Electra didn't hit me in same way as Intercity 125 or the 3 I travelled most to See Gran at Preston from SouthCoast BR Intercity XC - class 47,86 and 87's. Got the earlier Class 91 train pack GNER 2nd hand about 6 years ago - keeping this but not seeing the Standout moment for me in new Class 91; looks fine model but still don't like the Pantograph and the big increase of costs with Hornby; finished with buying hornby > £30 due to my QC issues I've had on the Class 82 DVT - light bleed being main one; especially for £77
Nice words Dave. Mixed bag from Hornby - they need to get some QC fast ! Kinda hope they don’t make anything I actually want !
Buying hornby is always a nerve racking experience. As you just do not know what you’ll get when you open the box.
Which is poor. I am happy with the GNER, LNER and for the fallen (livery isn’t perfect!) but the swallow is just not good enough. Wonky lines, marks caused by packaging, poor assembly. I got one that was fine, but not one I have handled… well over a dozen now. Is free from imperfections. Which again, is poor.
I assume the metal strips on the archway are part of tying it all together but being able to take it apart for access? Looks very crisp.
Time for a display case for your 21st Century purchases! I'm one to talk. I have four Class 31s on my Scottish layout - my layout, my rules! ;-)
Cheers. The metal strip is to strengthen the arches as due to the clearance for the upper boards space is tight so the top of the additional arch pieces is thin. So a 0.5mm piece of aluminum just stiffens them up. Once glued to tunnel inside it’s very strong anyway. But I prefer the belt and braces approach. Dave
@@DeanPark Nowt wrong with a bit of over-engineering!
wonderful video
Cheers :-)
The IC swallow 91..... So near, yet so far. There are a few things that jump out at me as immediately wrong - The front windscreens lack any kind of framing around the edges and top which just looks wrong, made worse by the lack of black edging which you pointed out.
The colours look about right but the upswept black swooshes from the cab side look a little rough and the angle of each striple including the main grey and red ones and the curved black part on the roof all seem to be at slightly different angles to each other. They got the design of the wipers right for the period, but then they spoiled that by fitting the un-prototypical camera.... UGh! And then there are the issues with paint finish quality as pointed out. That is so typical Hornby - They do the basic design stuff really well, they let it all down with dodgy paint/livery application. Despite all those little niggles, I would still like one, but not at the circa £200 they will be asking for a new one. I will wait a while until they become available second hand and hopefully the issues can be modified with reasonable ease.
The GNER version seems to side-step many of those issue to some degree but the issue with the windows remains. They came SO close to getting it right :-/
Great video there Dave, some great content covered in this video, I do like the new 91 from hornby and will definitely be considering picking up the loco and the DVT in swallow livery, I won’t be getting the new mk4s because I already have 8 of the original mk4 coaches and from what I have heard the liveries of both the new 91 in swallow and the old mk4 coaches do match each other so if I do get the new 91 it won’t stick out like a sore thumb when paired with my older mk4 coaching stock, the 800 in LNER does look good and the model as a whole is one of hornbys best, as an owner of the GWR version from the first release and it is very good, I do think the light bleed issue is only on the LNER ones, some brilliant work on the wall Dave and that tunnel entrance looked really good, some great work from Richard as well, overall great update Dave keep up the good work.
Cheers. I’m looking forward to the new MK4’s. Really excited about running a full ‘intercity 225’ train on dean park.
@@DeanPark Is £45 really worth it?
Are you going to buy coaches for all the liveries for the 91s? That’s going to be very expensive! Shame about the QC issue on the swallow livery but hopefully future releases will see improvements
Hi, yes it’s a shame. But it’s still a lovely looking loco, if you don’t look too closely.
Yes I am getting a rake of swallow, GNER and LNER to run with these 91’s. It’s gonna be expensive but I’ve been saving hard for it all. Cheers.
Dave
Where did you find the countdown clip at the beginning? I need something like that for presentations! Your layout is truly inspirational.
Hi, thanks. :-) I think I got it from TH-cam and converted it to an mp4.
Another great an informative update. Slightly confused though. It is now Dean Junction and Everard Park isn’t it!?
No it’s still firmly dean park :-) however collaborating with other modellers is part of the fun for me. I enjoyed working on my mk1 coaches with Richard.
I don’t get a chance to learn new skills and share my skills in person with another modeller, so when the chance arises, I enjoy it.
It is nice to see and hear that Hornby has nearly got something right. The Azuma does look very nice and then you look at the 91 and it is back to square one again. Quality Control Hornby get a grip on it. Nobody likes knocking the same company time after time. I guess when China send over the painted supplies for approval they take that extra care to get them right, We are all blaming Hornby, but they are made in China and I would guess that they are hearing the same from Hornby. Martin. (Thailand)
The swallow livery is by far the poorest of the batch. I have held well over a dozen of the models and each and every one had a mark, flaw or paint ripple. Some models had a range of issues. Poor really! Ive not seen one that I would say was ‘perfect’.
Rather than leaving the train in the box you should get a display case for it
I’m strongly considering getting a wall cabinet for my office downstairs for exactly that
" I do my very best to bankrupt myself in a single calendar mouth " - I couldn't stop laughing at this 🤣
If you see my bill for April you’d cry, not laugh 😆
Random question… i notice on the shots of your HST inaugurating the new tunnel portal (and even the Class 91 and its rake) that your buffet coach seems to be wrong way round? If you look at the flow of the train, you have 2 first class coaches then the seating area of the buffet car before the actual ‘serving area’…. Wouldnt that seating area be standard class seating? And then theres no separation between the first class and standard class… however if the buffet coach was swapped end for end (like on the HST shown in the Everard junction section of the video)…….. then the actual serving area becomes the “separation” between the standard and first class… just curious if this is an over active imagination on my part of not….
Hi. My buffet is the correct way around for this train. Most of the time this is how it was configured. The seating area in the buffet/restaurant car was usually set up for meals, so not just a normal seating area.
There are also instances of it being the other way around. But this is less common. That is how Everard has configured it.
The ones on the east coast were configured how I run them.
As with everything there were always instances of things being different. It was after all British rail 😆
As always an interesting and varied video but I do think that when we are being asked for such big money for these models things like light bleed, paint imperfections and cheap pantographes is unacceptable, that Azuma is nearly £500 full retail and if you're prepared to spend that sort of money surely you would be prepared to pay a few pence more to not have these faults.
I’d certainly not be paying £500 for it! It’s simply not worth that.
If you don’t run it in the dark (and who does anyway?) it’s nice. But that doesn’t excuse the light bleed. The pantograph bothers me more!… really is a stupid cheap and plasticy design.
Excellent as usual! I wonder - I do not know the answer - if you removed all your 80's/90's rolling stock and road vehicles, and replaced them with modern versions, would the rest of the layout be 'correct' ? I guess maybe the signage and the advertisements might be wrong, but otherwise? Not suggesting you do this as it would cost you a fortune in new stuff.
Hi, I would get away with it, but some infrastructure and details would still be 80’s/90’s relevant. I’d get away running GNER without any changes but for LNER more changes would need to be made.
But that doesn’t bother me. I enjoy a LNER modern day running session from time to time regardless :-)
@@DeanPark Quite right!
One question about the buffer fitted class 43, does it have an NEM pocket Dave, to put a coupling in, so you could replicate a 91 pulling the train slab end first, with the HST power car ,and 91 nose to nose?
No it doesn’t have a coupler at the hst end. It’s just a standard Hornby HST With the buffers.
On the topic of suppressors... Not quite sure I understand how you can fit to both ends of the bus wire? Doesn't one end of the bus wire connect to the power supply?
In my case I have the power going into the bus wire, not at the ends but I don’t suppose it matters.
I love me som class 91 action!
I really like the 91 too. Glad to have one at last.
@@DeanPark I found an N gauge one with DVT on ebay. Like gold dust. I wish grafar would do another run. I'm hoping to find a Virgin west coast class 47 :-)
Hornby models have gone down when they started making them in China and we pay the price for the models. I try not too buy Hornby now .The stream motion are to thin and break easily. I have two locomotive waiting to be fix . The 91class is not for my layout . My layout is set in the Sixties mainly 1958-1971 .look good on your layout. Happy modelling 😀👍
Hi. When hornby first moved to China the stuff they were producing was amazing, they used a factory/company called sanda-kan (correct spelling?!!) that produced first class flawlessly finished models.
Sadly that factory was apparently bought over by a rival and hornby had to find other factories to build their stuff. Then that’s when things started to get dodgey. There are good favorites and not so good favorites. It depends which factory hornby use for a particular model that seems to effect the quality!
Any reason for using enamel paints over water based? Would rather use water based for my project because of lack of fumes and ease of cleaning. However are enamels somehow better for weathering? Thanks
Hi. I find enamel harder wearing. Acrylic is t a durable in my experience. It’s all down to personal taste. I also like how enamel takes longer to dry and flows better, giving a better finish…but again, that’s just my opinion.
So I want to know how many trains do you have now?
Too many!! Around 80. Ten years of collecting :-) and rising 😆
am I watching Dean park,or Everard junction?
Haha, it’s firmly Dean park, collaborating with Everard junction to learn new skills. And sharing them for everyone to see and try for themselves.
That’s what this hobby should be about, don’t you tbink?
Unlike some TH-camrs who won’t share an ounce of advice without charging for it via Patreon etc.
Showing, sharing, documenting, learning and enjoying. That’s why I enjoy making videos. Im confident that Richard of Everard is very much the same.
Will you be getting the new mk4s and dvts for the fleet ?
Yeah I’ll be investing in a whole new fleet of them. Gonna cost me!, but once I have them I don’t have to buy any more!…well that’s what I’m telling myself!!
@@DeanPark I can't wait to see that
So I just wanna know, why does the layout have to be 100% accurate to real life or what time your layout is set in? Are you a purist? Also will you run anything from other countries or even a class 390
I focus my layout on 82-1990. But I also have stock so that I can run a 2019 period.
give the thumbs up if you are going to perth dave from murryburn park edinburgh
I know Hornby has come in for a lot of criticism off late , and quite rightly so, however my I suggest you have a look on TH-cam at Hornby beyond the buffers. They talk with the main designer, and gives you a good insight on the difficulties in trying to produce a model as realistic, and true model as possible, like the 91, while trying to keep the manufacturing costs down. The next time you review a mew item, might pay you to look at the other side. No criticism of your review, but sometimes I think your reviews your Expectations are to high. Love your videos
Hi, thanks. I’m hope you enjoyed watching.
My expectations are high. And at £200+ for a model, so they should be!
My reviews are generally very constructive and balanced…where there is a balance to be struck. I too saw/listened to this enjoyable podcast and it was great to hear from the designer of the 91. I was interested in him talking about how they found the loco wobbled while testing and how he solved the issue. Sadly, he should have tested it some more as the models have a tendency to wobble!
Bachmann and Heljan manage to produce flawless running AC locos. So I can’t accept that Hornby have started lagging behind in this area.
The finish of the paint on the swallow livery is frankly shocking in some areas! Rippled, orange peel appearance on the dark grey, scuffs caused by the flimsy plastic used in the packaging allowing it to twist and move too much, scuffing the paint on the sides of the loco’s.
That’s not a Hornby design issue. That’s down to the Chinese factory. All of the major issues have come from poor assembly and painting.
I think my review was fair and I carefully consider the language and tone I use. I’m a fan of Hornby, I really like their new 91. However it’s let itself down in a few areas.
The Hornby Class 91 looks ace though to me it seems utterly ludicrous that Hornby did not release Mk 4s and a Mk 4 DVT alongside it at the same time. I would rather get the APT but I the Class 91 looks so good. If I do get one, it will definitely be in the Intercity swallow livery.
A bit too forgiving considering the $$$ Hornby is asking.
It depends on your outlook, and how much you want the model. But the swallow one is frustrating.
The constant adverts just ruined the viewing for me on this occasion......
I thought I’d removed some of the mid rolls ads as I watched it and got p***ed off with them too.
I’ll check this again. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. TH-cam automatically flood videos and you have to go back in and manage them.
I advise of caution, be very careful of the pantographs as they are plastic and break very easy and do not stay up in position
These panto are ok in comparison to the apt. They feel much more robust and stay up without having to cast a spell on them :-)
@@DeanPark I’ve had both a class 87 and a class 91 from Hornby and in both instances the pantograph have become detached from the locos and trying to reattach them they break compared to the old metal Hornby pantographs which where operational
4 class 91’s 😳 so after selling both kidneys how are you doing? 🤣🤣
Hi John.
This is Dave’s nurse.. I read him your comment and he blinked twice, so that means fine! 😆 he will be up and about soon. 😆