Is the Wheelchair space on the Bus actually for a Wheelchair? - BBC News Report
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- Apparently - No!! The reason there is a space in the bus is for a WHEELCHAIR, NOT BABY PRAMS!
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Bus companies are not required by law to force parents with buggies to make way for wheelchair users in designated bays on vehicles, senior judges ruled.
First Bus appealed against a court ruling, won by a disabled man from West Yorkshire, that the firm's wheelchair policy was discriminatory.
Doug Paulley, 36, was denied access to a First bus to Leeds when a woman with a pushchair refused to move.
The Court of Appeal overturned a Leeds County Court judgement in his favour.
'Request not require'
Mr Paulley had attempted to board the bus in Wetherby to visit his parents in Leeds in February 2012.
First Bus wins wheelchair court judgement
Aren't the Wheelchair spaces on the Bus for a Wheelchair? - News Report
Bus companies may have made it easier for disabled people to get on to their vehicles - but are wheelchair users failing to get on board because parents with pushchairs are commandeering their spaces?
Also pram users are lazy to fold their pram if their children can stand/walk, whenever space for wheelchair is required. If their child is just a baby then, you know different story but make space for wheelchair users that's why the space is there
Exactly...great way to summerise it
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Smart1529 it's not that we are lazy it might be that we don't wanna wake our babies up from having their nap (we may have just got them off to sleep and all mothers know how important that is) we may have one of those annoying buggies that don't actually fold up or we might have twins etc that are too young to walk or stand. It's not always possible to move. Busses are already accessible enough for wheelchair users they need to have areas that are strictly reserved for a buggy user
Rebecca Brown they allow buggy users to use the wheelchair area because wheelchair users on public transport is still a bit rare. however if a wheelchair users is going to use the bus but the space is already occupied by a buggy then that is just generally unfair and creating more space on a bus easier said than done since years ago buses were smaller and had no access for wheelchairs. It's difficult yes to be a parent i agree but we still need to be considerate not selfish
Smart1529 I will always move if I can as your right we don't need to be selfish. However, it's not always possible to move, I'm a nanny and I push a twin buggy for twins who are 8 months old. If a disabled person got on the bus with us then it's very difficult if not impossible for me to get them out and even if I do manage to get them both out st the same time I then literally have no hands to fold down their double buggy which is huge even when folded down. Wherever possible I will absolutely move it's just not always possible with multiples, but if there is only one baby then absolutely parents should have to move
First can say all they want about wheelchair access, here in South Yorkshire they are terrible, I've lost count of the number of times my friend has been refused access to the bus simply because the driver can't be bothered to ask people to move. They also run old buses with only one wheelchair space and no other space to put a buggy or pram on a popular route that connects 4 major shopping centres, so there is almost always something occupying the wheelchair space. The bought loads of new buses for this service then decided to use them on a different route instead, leaving wheelchair users to fight it out with buggies and prams for the one available space.
As a wheelchair user this is a subject close to my heart.
If another wheelchair user or a pram with a new born baby that can't be folded up, then as frustrating as it may be they were their first and you'll just have to wait for the next bus.
If it's a pram that easily folds then you'd like to think they'd have the decency to move. Especially if it's an older child, 4 or older, that can easy sit on a bus seat with parental supervision. Sadly, it rarely happens.
So many rude and ignorant people around. It says "Wheelchair Space" yet their is no actual law enforcing it. Pathetic
+Joe Atherton I completely agree with you, the space is for wheelchairs not prams and people just think its for a pram
Today on the 220, the driver forgot a wheelchair user, but when passengers shouted, he reversed back to get the wheelchair user. Great Customer service by London United RATP Group!
+BusesInLondon can't imagine how difficult it is in a big city like London for a wheelchair user to get on a bus. Must be a nightmare.
I live in Rotherham, which is a smallish town in comparison to the big smoke, so I can well imagine wheelchair users waiting hours, especially if they're further down the route
+Joe Atherton It is very difficult in London, due to the overcrowded buses. Sometimes the next bus comes along in a few mins with a max waiting time of 10-20 mins.
It is still a nightmare to use some trains and buses across the whole of England!
BusesInLondon yes it is for buggies too. Nobody ever helps you anymore. In London chivalry is totally dead
Where i live in US theres a law that u have to remove baby from stroller and fold the stroller. No exceptions!
By law they are not required to demand a passenger with a buggy to remove a child and food the pram regardless of what you may think. & can’t demand a passenger to leave the bus for a disabled person
In this case, they need to look to America. The transit system here and 99% of others...Strollers are to be folded BEFORE you get on. As wheelchair spaces are for wheelchairs, nothing else. this whole ordeal drives me mad watching what people with disabilities go through versus over here.
Smart 1529. I have been in a wheelchair all my life because I was born with spina Bifida. And a women with kids told me to move to another seat. But everybody said how can he when he is in a wheelchair
First of all, The bus drivers in London can only interact will the public from the driver seat, if he or she gets out of the cab and it all goes wrong and he or she gets assaulted, the bus company will not stand by the driver, because he or she should not have left the safety of the cab. Secondly, The wheel chair user does have priority over the wheelchair bay, but, because of equal rights that comes into play, the person with the pushchair does not have to move or fold up, it's a catch 22. The driver can only ask the person with the pushchair to fold up, you cannot ask them to leave the bus or chuck them off. Not every body in a wheelchair is 100% bound to that wheelchair a 100% of the time, there is always the possibility that someone in a wheelchair is able to get out and sit on a chair and have their chair folded, this is not the norm, but in a situation where everybody is always rushing to get somewhere on the double, it doesn't hurt to ask. Thirdly, by the time all this is going on, the bus is now late, the next but is catching up, the driver can always tell this to the person in the wheelchair.
Interesting conversation Bob
Why should a mother with a baby in a pushchair get off the bus, then wait for the next bus and then pay another bus fare? She may not be able to afford multiple bus fares
The mother with a pushchair should fold the pushchair and get the baby out. The wheelchair user can’t just be taken out!
I was on a bus yesterday and a wheelchair user needed to get on however the wheelchair space was full of pushchairs and there were two disabled passengers already sat in the pushchair space with no other priority seats available u until a couple of people moved to the back and the disabled passengers then moved to the priority seats at which point the driver asked very politely for the pushchairs to move over to the pushchair space, but the parents refused saying they were comfortable where they were and didn't want to upset or move their children, so the driver asked them to move again and again they refused at which point he ordered them firmly but politely to move but they still refused, at which point he informed all of the parents who refused to move that they were no longer allowed to travel on his bus and they needed to disembark to which they said no, so the driver asked for a couple of volunteers to help him, a couple of lads stood up and the two lads picked up the pushchairs with the driver and all three carried them off the bus before boarding the wheelchair and preventing the pushchairs from reboarding, as the wheelchair and lads got back on the driver shut the doors on the four sets of parents with the pushchairs and drove off as the parents knocked on the bus trying to get back on, the two lads and the driver got a impromptu round of applause!
If there is a sign saying wheelchair seating and the seats fold up and there are securements then its obvious that the spot is for wheelchairs and here in the US there are signs that state the seating area is for elderly and disabled and its federal law! Ive seen bus drivers tell ppl to move for wheelchair and 1 time when when no1 would he made every1 get off then he put wheelchair on then let the ppl back on.
Yes, in the UK, its shared with passengers and buggies. Now you can fit 3 buggies in this area on a new bus!
BusesInLondon , 3 buggies should take priority over a wheelchair 👍
@@prattait7594 say what???
If it's a newborn then they should be able to use the space too. First come first served.
If it's a toddler or older then the pram should be folded.
there needs to be more space for both wheelchair users and pram users, as a mom myself with a 15 week old i cannot just simply fold up a travel system, il move by all means, but there needs to be more room made, it also doesnt help that people sit in the pram area and don't move, where is the news report for that? it happens daily. i will stand or move for anyone, do not label all mothers the same! its disrespectful and not true!
This is a controversial issue because the space on buses are limited. But the space is a wheelchair space not a pram space?
I dont think anything can be done about this issue
BusesInLondon i think thats the problem.. if something is done, it needs to make it fair on everyone. it shouldn't be one rule for one and one rule for another, its unfair to ask someone to leave the bus to make room because bus fare these days isnt cheap, i wouldnt want to pay twice to make the same journey, I'd move happily for a wheelchair user. but i wouldnt want to leave the bus, iv seen buses have a wheelchair user, and 2 prams. there was plenty of space.
AmyJayne008 In London there is DEFINITELY no space for 2 prams and a wheelchair!
BusesInLondon :O glad i live in the west midlands then lol , on the travel westmidland buses there is enough room for 2 prams and a wheelchair. iv seen it done enough times.
As a nanny I'm forever trying to grapple with buggies and busses. And on London busses there simply isn't room for buggies and wheel chairs. There are many cases where I think that we should let disabled people go ahead of us able bodied people, for example the other day I took the baby out to a museum and before taking the bus home I needed to change his nappy. In the museum the changing station happens to be located in the disabled toilet. We got in the line to go in there and a disabled woman and her husband got in the line behind us and i quite happily let them go before us. However I think with regard to public transport I think it's very different. For example I once got on a bus with a baby who couldn't walk or stand by himself, we then got asked (politely at first) to take the child out and fold up the buggy which wasn't possible to do because 1 if I had to take the baby out then I would of only had one hand to fold it up and 2 that particular buggy doesn't actually fold up. I explained this nicely to the driver and to the wheel chair user who wouldn't even listen to me. They kept saying that the wheel chair user had more of a right to be there than we did. See that's what I disagree with, why should I have to pay the bus fair just to be told to get off and end up having to walk home in the rain and cold with a young baby whose also getting wet and cold just so that a wheel chair user who wasn't there first can get a nice warm ride home? They certainly didn't offer me my bus fair money back. I think that on busses where there is limited space whether your a buggy user or s wheel chair user if should be first come first serve (unless your buggy is easily folded in which case buggy user can easily move) imagine a mum or a nanny on a bus with baby twins for example? How would she be able to move? She wouldn't! I just think busses should be designed for wheelchair users snd buggy users to be able to ride the bus at the same time
I'm happy that live in America where it's the law to let a person like me use the wheelchair space. If this is how it is in The U.K. I don't want to live there.
briansivley2001 This is before everything went to the supreme court..btw how was the eclipse?
BusesInLondon Where I live in Chicago it was so so. It was cloudy but we did see glimpses of it.
Its better than nothing!
How do American Mother’s with multiples get around on public transport easily and safely?
I see at 0:19 a spot for a buggy but then that also looks like a lid for emergency equipment. Doug's chair looks not too big at 0:36 that there should be space. I see an empty space between Doug's chair and the pink safety rails. I am not sure who the builder of the bus is but they do need to do a much better job in making buses. In the Middle East, I think there is one transit company that does make buses to suit both mothers with buggies and wheelchairs. I am going to write Gillig and New Flyer here in the U.S. to get them to design their buses to accept both buggies and wheelchairs.
Streetcar1664 it's an old bus and buses in London don't have lids
The wheel is directly under that emergency thing..
It's silly to have to seats to push up along the wall as the dri er could say the bus is full and no space so take the seats away nobody will sit on them so there will always will be space for them or buggies lut them have a back door not front more chance to get space and see the seats up😊
Doug is wrong in this case because the driver did all he could to move thy person in that area and couldn't do anymore so therefore he should have sued the person and not the innocent fucking company and I have nothing against disabled people as one of my family are disabled
Trendable ! If I got to sue every time I missed a bus because it was full and I couldn’t board I’d be stinking rich by now. It happens, just get the next one. No need to sue anybody
parents who have a pushchair are very much looked after now by bus companies. In the past , they had no choice but to reduce their pushchairs and carry on a child and the chair , buses had narrow doors and steps up to the carriage. There was NO way a wheelchair user couldve accessed the bus either , but then wheelchair users didnt travel as much . Now, everyone has access to a bus, they are more modern and more space is given over to passengers who may need that extra space and also have safe travel given to them. The bus companies still make a profit , they are not out of pocket . It annoys me that parents who think they are simply "entitled " to the space provided by a bus company for their pushchair is there purely for them?! Its not .
I applaud this man who sued the company and I feel that he has every right to have the parent with the pushchair moved , really without question , they should think about what they are refusing .......their child may end up in a wheel chair at some point !!
London now has increased the disabled area so more buggies/wheelcharis can fit on all newer buses from 2018.
It’s the worst thing that was ever done adding a wheelchair space on a bus. It has put significant pressure on drivers, who already have to deal with other passengers moaning and idiots on the road. Access bus is for disabled passengers. It’s their exclusive service and they can go wherever their like.
Paulley is selfish and arrogant and does not think of anyone else. On his website he openly admits to being a ‘bolshy git’! Well, he’s certainly not wrong there! I could go on and on here about his attitude, which sticks! He sued First and screwed £5K out of them. Then he wondered why his journey to Wrexham went bad... Hmm... Transpennine Express is owned by First. Paulley is a marked man. He may think he has the upper hand and can sue the minute something doesn’t fit, but in reality those he sues will get their own back. It would’ve far better to have simply accepted the situation that day with the mother with a pram and a sleeping baby. Just ring ahead and apologise for being late and all that court hassle would’ve been avoided.
Sadly its not just buses but idiots parking cars , and vans are also an issue
And mum's that's why you learn how to drive and get a car.
mylife mylife yup because we are not welcome on public transport
@@mylifepostpain3705 you are allowed but you just need to be respectful
In the event of the bus crashing is it safer for babies to be on their mothers lap or strapped into a buggy that could provide them with some protection?
The way they get used on my local busses, held at odd angles with the brakes not set, the buggy is as likely to injure the child as protect it, & is meanwhile way more likely to injure other passengers in that hypothetical crash by being loaded & rolling around.
maybe I should put in a lawsuit 4 been turned away with a buggy newborn baby. been there
Rebecca Coverley I'm a nanny and I know that struggle very well! I would back you lol
At least you can hold your baby, I can't exactly fold up my fathers wheelchair and have him sit on my lap! And your baby will only be in a buggy for a few short years, my father is in a wheelchair for life. Im sure the number of times my dad has been refused getting a bus because someone can't fold a buggy or move down in the space outnumbers the number of times you've been turned away. It happens on a daily basis for my dad. Think the point here is that we all need to get along and be a bit more flexible, life is already hard enough in wheelchair without having to let 4 busses go past you before you're allowed on.
You chose to have a baby, people don’t choose to be disabled.
Emma Henry Hold a baby all day long whilst carrying the nappy bag and a handbag? Nope not possible. Babies need to be in buggies just as much as disabled people need to be in wheel chairs.
Liam Soda just because we choose to have children doesn’t make us the bad guy