Not all players will make good managers or coaches. Once in a while a vanilla manager gets a great team like Leicester did and the manager is lauded as a genius without having to work with the likes of the current Utd squad as an example. Potter had a great side in Brighton. You should need to prove yourself across different squads and setups.
Mate, it's not just football. We don't invest in people in this country. Other countries do invest in people. So we import the people who are better than us. Invest in British football and you'll see a massive improvement in British coaches. But all the money is only allowed to go the absolute top.
Gerrard did great at rangers and potter did very well at Brighton. One bad stint early in their careers and everyone has written them off. That’s why there’s no top English managers
@@HaydenCyclist you have a point, there needs to be more grass roots investment. The problem is most investors see the elite level of sport and they know by the very nature of that elite product that it will make money from tv coverage, sponsorship etc. sadly most of the investment will always be at the top. Think that is more to do with human nature and wealthy investors wanting a return on there investment. I agree with the issue you raised though in an ideal world would be better
It's a great case to study at English managers are struggling, especially the younger ones. Whereas their peers outside England are prodigious. Does it have something to do with the type of football that is played in England..
In Spain and Germany youth coaches or youth team coaches are given a chance at 1st team stints. Pep Guardiola, klopp, Tuchel, Ruben Amorim were all coaching u18 and u21 when they were called up and given the 1st teams of clubs there respective clubs..this is common in Germany, italy,spain,Netherlands..this is not common in England...its also very expensive to do coaching courses in England
@@Traveltheworld1818. really good point. Most young england managers jump directly to big teams after their badges. And fail. And given EPL is very competitive, inexperienced managers are falling
Nicky butt coach wise talks a lot of sense, hope he gets his shot at a decent club, seems to understand the importance of timing and getting the right coaching team setup in from the start, some English managers are so grateful they are given a big club to manage that they jump in too soon like potter that Chelsea Job was too big for him. Better to build experience and lore among the game, for me though a key factor in a top manager is charisma it bails them out when the chips are down and allows them to get a group of players hungry for success
@@bodega1515 yeah some managers have it and others don’t, for me it’s a key component of an elite coach. Pep, klopp, Bobby robson, Ferguson, mourinho. Has an effect on players they buy into the success
I have been saying for the LONGEST time, coaches come to England to do their FA coaching badges as the FA badges seem to be accepted everywhere around the world in the football fraternity. However, our coaches generally never go on to surpass academy level coaching, whilst as you see foreign managers dominate the prem and obviously outside of the prem! Remember, all the coaches foreign and English/British do the same Uefa B and A pro license, so where doesit actually go wrong! Forget for England, why are our managers not making it at the TOP clubs around the world in general? Championship, with the slight handful of prem managers is the most we can conjure! Southgate got torn apart by many in the England job and most people would have Arteta, Slot, Frank Arnesen and many more over him, yet he has more experience than Arteta etc. What English/British coach post Fergie have produced World class players? Beckham, Scholes, Giggs are players that could of been World Class in their day, but they were not on the likes of Zidane, R9, Ronaldiho level, but at least they were in a very high bracket! The coaches/ managers at the Elite level is not there and yes they do good work at academy level, but for the majority that is about it! How has Brighton manager come and landed a job at his age, before the English/British managers/Coaches?
“I’d need the right group around me” Whatever happened to a “Manager”?? Just shows how Great Brian Clough & Co were, they didn’t need groups of coaches around them to win European Cups
Its the media pure and simple, people are forgetting that most foreign managers flop in England and go back to being 'world class' when they go back to another country
The English FA have given everything to the world on how good the premier league is and can be but it has come at the sacrifice of the development of domestic English/British players/managers. Im sure in time there will be a change into a German style player base. Without the money involved in the premier league it offers more for domestic success.
Quite the opposite, it’s well documented he was a hard case as a young kid and the joker of the pack at school & in the United academy. When he reached the first team, no one messed with Butty on the pitch, lad could hold his own let alone playing alongside Keane.
Interesting to ascertain he would be picked on because of his name. Many people get picked on because of their background abd they are then told that they have a chip on their shoulder or are playing some kind of card! Isn't it Interesting the difference in empathy?
It's criminal no English Manager has won The "English" Premier League. I think English coaches need to go abroad more to develop their tactics and understanding of the game, that's one thing that kinda helped Potter but he just lacked the aura to manage big names.
@RyanPourhana he won the league and champions league. RUBBISH HOWE?! He beat Ten Hag once in the final and lost once. HOWE??! 🤦🏻🤦🏻. A clueless newbie like you should watch netball instead of football or you can try tennis. Welcome to the Talksport channel btw you 🔔🔚!
It's the cost of becoming a coach in England that's the problem why does it cost £13,000 to get your uefa pro licence while in Europe it cost them a maximum of £3000 and they have 3 time the coaches we have here
asa n ex-club CEO in the football league I agree with simon. seven days a week - burnt out after two years - and abuse from warring directors. nearly cost me a marriage and I walked away to save my health. Never ever again
No wonder England win nothing, you got all these legends who can't make it as class B managers. Does it mean they don't have a proper understanding of the game? If they did the golden generations would've done something tangible . Wild take
There are no English coaches because none get given the chance. Lee carsley was promoted to first team manager after winning the World Cup at youth level. Spain appointed a youth team manager and so did Argentina and they both won major tournaments. England do the same yet he’s written off before he’s even had a run of games…because fans want the best manager make it make sense
Exactly you so right, even Pep Guardiola was coaching Barcelona u18s and u21s when he was given a chance to take over 1st team..the same happened with Jurgen klopp at Mainz, same with Tuchel, Amorim at Braga.. Nagelsmann th German and the current Brighton German coach nd many more in th rest of Europe. They were all 1st called up to their 1st teams while in charge of u21s
English managers aren't given the SAME chances that equally qualified foreign managers get. Here's my proof. OGS got the Man Utd job after relegating Cardiff. Arteta got the Arsenal job with ZERO managerial experience. Paul Clement won EVERYTHING as Assistant to Carlo Ancelotti at Real Madrid, Bayern and PSG. He wasn't given a big club as his first job. Poch got the Spurs job after finishing mid table with Southampton. Same with Nuno at Wolves before he was hired. Howe (with Bournemouth) and Dyche finished mid table and won nothing. They weren't considered for Spurs job. Slot and Ten Hag got the Liverpool / Man Utd jobs after only winning the Dutch League (the SAME trophy Steve McLaren won). Moyes and Rodgers were given the Man Utd and Liverpool jobs without any trophies. Plenty of English managers have been at least equally qualified as the above, but they AREN'T given chances at big clubs. The only one who has, was Potter and he was only given 5 months. Arteta took Arsenal BACKWARDS from 5th under Emery to 8th, yet he was given time but Potter wasn't.
😂😂😂😂 Biggest bunch of BS! Foreign Managers don't get English managers privileges of getting protected by the English media every time.. English managers are utter shyte 😂
So what is your theory? Someone actively is trying to not get english managers a big job? As for Howe and Dyche.....while Howe did a great job with Newcastle, Nuno had done it for longer. Got a team up from championship and punched way above its weight with two 7th places. It's not the same level of achievement at what Howe had done. Dyche.....we all know he is a defensive manager.....so it's a different argument for him. No top team wants to hire him. Steve McLaren won that league how many years ago? Paul Clement was an assist to Carlos perhaps, but Carlo isn't known for his style of play like Guardiola did.
A few points here to contest. Potter was not the only one, as Lampard was given a chance at Chelsea with missing out on promotion in the Championship being his only experience prior. Arteta also won an FA Cup in his first season. How many English managers have won a domestic cup, never mind an FA Cup? Hodgson took over at Liverpool when he had not won anything significant.
@@Cantgetitright-e4j I think you mean despised! inbred! clowns! scum! small club! Just shows paying the refs off worked so well for whiskey nose Ferguson
Total legend Nicky. Hope he gets a chance in coaching.
Jim White is absolutely brilliant.
Last 6 months he has owned this show with grace, humility and humour.
Well done jim.
Lovely bloke not afraid to ask the tough questions.
Agreed. Him and Simon are the backbone of TS and why it's flourishing.
I like Butty, he comes across as very genuine and humble and doesn't seem to have an elite opinion of himself.
@@shaunpierce4174 i like a chip butty 2
He was the epitome of average at united lol why would he have an ego
Decent player but will definitely win nowt as a manager unless he goes to Celtic
@@dotunbello nicky butt was never an average player at the club what you talking about
@@grassrootsfootball225 you can't be serious
Maybe if an English manager followed Amorim at Sporting we might see how they did.
Most English managers can’t speak other languages.
Should try and go abroad. Both Hodgson and Potter went to Sweden. Liam Rosenior is doing a decent job at Strasbourg. Sadly can't think of anyone else.
Gary Neville
There is absolutely no chance of a English coach managing in Spain or Portugal anymore, they are just so much better down there
@@bodega1515Nevillle at Valencia
How is it Simon takes his opinions right out of my head., bang on Simon as usual.
you've probably never been involved in the game like him hahahah... he's a clueless amrchair fan man lets have it right
Gérard, Lampard, Potter all fell flat. We need a thorough examination not jealousy and xenophobia
Not all players will make good managers or coaches. Once in a while a vanilla manager gets a great team like Leicester did and the manager is lauded as a genius without having to work with the likes of the current Utd squad as an example. Potter had a great side in Brighton. You should need to prove yourself across different squads and setups.
Mate, it's not just football. We don't invest in people in this country. Other countries do invest in people. So we import the people who are better than us.
Invest in British football and you'll see a massive improvement in British coaches. But all the money is only allowed to go the absolute top.
Yeah brexits just don't have the mental capacity to become good coaches
Gerrard did great at rangers and potter did very well at Brighton. One bad stint early in their careers and everyone has written them off. That’s why there’s no top English managers
@@HaydenCyclist you have a point, there needs to be more grass roots investment. The problem is most investors see the elite level of sport and they know by the very nature of that elite product that it will make money from tv coverage, sponsorship etc. sadly most of the investment will always be at the top. Think that is more to do with human nature and wealthy investors wanting a return on there investment. I agree with the issue you raised though in an ideal world would be better
Good chat. Nicky and Simon are good together
gay
@@Hush-i5v Weird time and place to come out but good for you, pal 👏🏻👏🏻
@@Zeppelin180 u sound bent
It's a great case to study at English managers are struggling, especially the younger ones. Whereas their peers outside England are prodigious. Does it have something to do with the type of football that is played in England..
In Spain and Germany youth coaches or youth team coaches are given a chance at 1st team stints. Pep Guardiola, klopp, Tuchel, Ruben Amorim were all coaching u18 and u21 when they were called up and given the 1st teams of clubs there respective clubs..this is common in Germany, italy,spain,Netherlands..this is not common in England...its also very expensive to do coaching courses in England
england is the de facto global league of the world
@@Traveltheworld1818. really good point. Most young england managers jump directly to big teams after their badges. And fail. And given EPL is very competitive, inexperienced managers are falling
Nicky butt fantastic player for us,all the best butty
Are TalkSport aware that McKenna is not English?
Born in London makes him what? Brazilian?
@@drstrange9008😂😂😂
@@drstrange9008 He's Northern Irish, mate
@@spillage9392born in London, English👍
@@spillage9392 im born in sheffield england which makes me chinese
It costs English managers 5k to get their first licence, it costs Spanish and Portuguese about 400 euros.
That's not an excuse they suck
@@sullaybjrmore English managers would be managing hence more chance of success mate if it was cheaper to do so.
You think ex professionals are struggling to pay 5k?
@alexbelotti1603 They need to go abroad and learn coaching. They suck in England
@@alexbelotti1603stupid statement
Nicky butt coach wise talks a lot of sense, hope he gets his shot at a decent club, seems to understand the importance of timing and getting the right coaching team setup in from the start, some English managers are so grateful they are given a big club to manage that they jump in too soon like potter that Chelsea Job was too big for him. Better to build experience and lore among the game, for me though a key factor in a top manager is charisma it bails them out when the chips are down and allows them to get a group of players hungry for success
Lacks the charisma. His body language is that of a NPC.
@@bodega1515 yeah some managers have it and others don’t, for me it’s a key component of an elite coach. Pep, klopp, Bobby robson, Ferguson, mourinho. Has an effect on players they buy into the success
Anyone catch what type of club they were talking about?
I have been saying for the LONGEST time, coaches come to England to do their FA coaching badges as the FA badges seem to be accepted everywhere around the world in the football fraternity. However, our coaches generally never go on to surpass academy level coaching, whilst as you see foreign managers dominate the prem and obviously outside of the prem! Remember, all the coaches foreign and English/British do the same Uefa B and A pro license, so where doesit actually go wrong! Forget for England, why are our managers not making it at the TOP clubs around the world in general? Championship, with the slight handful of prem managers is the most we can conjure! Southgate got torn apart by many in the England job and most people would have Arteta, Slot, Frank Arnesen and many more over him, yet he has more experience than Arteta etc. What English/British coach post Fergie have produced World class players? Beckham, Scholes, Giggs are players that could of been World Class in their day, but they were not on the likes of Zidane, R9, Ronaldiho level, but at least they were in a very high bracket! The coaches/ managers at the Elite level is not there and yes they do good work at academy level, but for the majority that is about it! How has Brighton manager come and landed a job at his age, before the English/British managers/Coaches?
good to see butt sit them down saying he did the badges with them
This is a test to see how many times Nicky butt can say football club in one sentence 😂
McKenna isn’t English, he’s Northern Irish.
Nicky Butt: I prefer cashing cheques, not writing them...
I hope Nicky does well - he's got his head screwed on
“I’d need the right group around me”
Whatever happened to a “Manager”??
Just shows how Great Brian Clough & Co were, they didn’t need groups of coaches around them to win European Cups
Its the media pure and simple, people are forgetting that most foreign managers flop in England and go back to being 'world class' when they go back to another country
The English FA have given everything to the world on how good the premier league is and can be but it has come at the sacrifice of the development of domestic English/British players/managers. Im sure in time there will be a change into a German style player base. Without the money involved in the premier league it offers more for domestic success.
When he was at united he said his dream was to become chief executive
And yet SJ was baffled by the rumour that Roma pursuing Lampard?!! At least they try to give English managers a chance
😂 And your not? Well of your not you dont understand the game 😂
Lampard has had multiple chances in the UK, what are you on about?
Nicky Butt hasn't aged a day in 25 years.
Why English managers not going to European football leagues such as France, Germany, Portugal, Turkey, Sweden and Russia 🤔
The greatest priemier league manager isnt English either. I cant remember the last time a top four team hired an english manager on permanent basis
Imagine starting your life and figuring out your name is Nicky Butt. You just knew you were gonna get picked on LOL
Quite the opposite, it’s well documented he was a hard case as a young kid and the joker of the pack at school & in the United academy.
When he reached the first team, no one messed with Butty on the pitch, lad could hold his own let alone playing alongside Keane.
Interesting to ascertain he would be picked on because of his name. Many people get picked on because of their background abd they are then told that they have a chip on their shoulder or are playing some kind of card! Isn't it Interesting the difference in empathy?
Nikk is not ready 😂
SO WHY IS HE NOT COACHING AT SALFORD?
Excellent question...
It's criminal no English Manager has won The "English" Premier League.
I think English coaches need to go abroad more to develop their tactics and understanding of the game, that's one thing that kinda helped Potter but he just lacked the aura to manage big names.
STOP SAYING "FOOTBALL CLUB" FOR GODS SAKE. WE KNOW YOURE NOT TALKING ABOUT A BLOODY CHESS CLUB OR A KARATE CLUB
hahaha, was away to write something to that effect.
It’s this cringe thing a lot of ex man united players do.
What kind of user name are you using 😂 roboshowgirlsbatmancop2 😂what the hell
Stop using caps lock?
So you're slating someone for not shortening the FC?
There's only Eddie Howe and he's far from perfect
Lmfao. He can't even beat rubbish Ten Hag in the Mickey Mouse Carabao Cup final 😂😂😂.
@@Ayah_Miapep couldn’t, is he bad?
@RyanPourhana he won the league and champions league. RUBBISH HOWE?! He beat Ten Hag once in the final and lost once. HOWE??! 🤦🏻🤦🏻. A clueless newbie like you should watch netball instead of football or you can try tennis. Welcome to the Talksport channel btw you 🔔🔚!
@@Ayah_Mia You lost the argument as soon as you let it known you’re a child that can only abuse people.
Eddie Howe is the best and he hasn't even won a cup trophy. Coaches in England are so badly below par.
It's the cost of becoming a coach in England that's the problem why does it cost £13,000 to get your uefa pro licence while in Europe it cost them a maximum of £3000 and they have 3 time the coaches we have here
I’d take McKenna with Butt as number 2 at West Ham all day long
Look at the reaction to Lee carsley being in charge and that’s why English coaches aren’t at the level. You don’t magically become a world class coach
How do you know? None of them are at sporting at the minute and nobody knows how he’ll fare at Man Utd. Simon Jordan is full of it yet again
Cos the majority of footballers in this country would rather sit in a studio or on insta when they 'retire' from running
Is Salford a football club by any chance???
What county in England is McKenna from??
He was born in London, raised in Northern Ireland.
@dawnmancaloriankeebals4262 so he's from Northern Ireland
@@ShaneHar89 Lennox Lewis, born in London, raised in and represented Canada.... English!
All Hail Simon = Top LAD Proper Clobber 💯 Facts
Perennial bootlicking cringe from lfcspectre4335. Expected.
English managers not hired in PL because PL clubs want foreign coaches, that's the way it is
Question…why is their such a cry for an Englishman to manage at a high level?
We all know English managers are not good enough.
I would rather take Scots, Irish, walsh maneger to manage Man utd than English..
To correctly say his name, you guys just need to pronounce:
Amoreen
It ends (phonetically) with a "N"
Cheers
Sorry, no it ends phonetically with a M ,not N
asa n ex-club CEO in the football league I agree with simon. seven days a week - burnt out after two years - and abuse from warring directors. nearly cost me a marriage and I walked away to save my health. Never ever again
The English don’t produce good coaches/ managers. They overhype former players and run them down when they realize that they’re not good. That’s it
Ugh, doesn't guarantee Ruben will be any good here 😭
no but it is guarantee that even if he isnt any good there, he still will have done better than an english manager.
No wonder England win nothing, you got all these legends who can't make it as class B managers. Does it mean they don't have a proper understanding of the game? If they did the golden generations would've done something tangible . Wild take
McKenna irish mate
2:41 Aah the old favourite "invidious position" rears its ugly head....
mckenna was born in london spillage
There are no English coaches because none get given the chance. Lee carsley was promoted to first team manager after winning the World Cup at youth level. Spain appointed a youth team manager and so did Argentina and they both won major tournaments. England do the same yet he’s written off before he’s even had a run of games…because fans want the best manager make it make sense
Exactly you so right, even Pep Guardiola was coaching Barcelona u18s and u21s when he was given a chance to take over 1st team..the same happened with Jurgen klopp at Mainz, same with Tuchel, Amorim at Braga.. Nagelsmann th German and the current Brighton German coach nd many more in th rest of Europe. They were all 1st called up to their 1st teams while in charge of u21s
mckenna was born in london spillage get your facts right
Mckenna is irish
I heard Liam rosenior is a good coach...no mention of him...wonder why
Is Giggs with them ? If so he’s mixed raced, Liam
Rosenior has been mentioned loads on talksport. His problem now is that's he's abroad.
Where did Graham potter vanish from and why does he think he’s too good enough for every job
English managers aren't given the SAME chances that equally qualified foreign managers get.
Here's my proof.
OGS got the Man Utd job after relegating Cardiff.
Arteta got the Arsenal job with ZERO managerial experience.
Paul Clement won EVERYTHING as Assistant to Carlo Ancelotti at Real Madrid, Bayern and PSG. He wasn't given a big club as his first job.
Poch got the Spurs job after finishing mid table with Southampton. Same with Nuno at Wolves before he was hired.
Howe (with Bournemouth) and Dyche finished mid table and won nothing. They weren't considered for Spurs job.
Slot and Ten Hag got the Liverpool / Man Utd jobs after only winning the Dutch League (the SAME trophy Steve McLaren won).
Moyes and Rodgers were given the Man Utd and Liverpool jobs without any trophies.
Plenty of English managers have been at least equally qualified as the above, but they AREN'T given chances at big clubs.
The only one who has, was Potter and he was only given 5 months.
Arteta took Arsenal BACKWARDS from 5th under Emery to 8th, yet he was given time but Potter wasn't.
Lmfao potter 😂
😂😂😂😂 Biggest bunch of BS! Foreign Managers don't get English managers privileges of getting protected by the English media every time.. English managers are utter shyte 😂
So what is your theory? Someone actively is trying to not get english managers a big job? As for Howe and Dyche.....while Howe did a great job with Newcastle, Nuno had done it for longer. Got a team up from championship and punched way above its weight with two 7th places. It's not the same level of achievement at what Howe had done. Dyche.....we all know he is a defensive manager.....so it's a different argument for him. No top team wants to hire him.
Steve McLaren won that league how many years ago? Paul Clement was an assist to Carlos perhaps, but Carlo isn't known for his style of play like Guardiola did.
Is it because English managers never win anything?
A few points here to contest. Potter was not the only one, as Lampard was given a chance at Chelsea with missing out on promotion in the Championship being his only experience prior.
Arteta also won an FA Cup in his first season. How many English managers have won a domestic cup, never mind an FA Cup?
Hodgson took over at Liverpool when he had not won anything significant.
This is like watching an episode of an 80's radio show. Booring
Fanboys.
Butt will never be a good Manager. Sorry mate
obsessed with s sh@@ mid table football club, Liverpool top of the prem, City and Arsenal lose, Forest in 3rd yet all you guys talk about is Utd
What’s that old saying?
Hated,adored, never ignored
@@Cantgetitright-e4j I think you mean despised! inbred! clowns! scum! small club! Just shows paying the refs off worked so well for whiskey nose Ferguson
What rubbish is this man talking