Apostle Kathryn Krick, Prosperity Preachers, and The Harmful Movement Driving Their Message.
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- Kathryn Krick claims to be an apostle and pastor of Five Fold Church in Los Angeles. Her popularity has blown up recently. She has been on my radar for some time now. But this is bigger than just her and her teachings. This is a spiritual beast that's part of a larger movement. It has DNA running throughout many churches and pulpits that run into the *millions*. These numbers are insane. I’m deeply concerned with how many people are attracted to these teachings and how unbiblical and harmful they can be. I share five major areas of this movement to look out for.
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04:12- Words have power.
04:56- God ALWAYS Heals.
08:08- Critical Thinking is Unspiritual Thinking.
12:59- Unquestionable Leadership Anointing.
21:20- A Critical Belief.
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I need to clarify at 08:54-
I said that WoF puts "humanity" In the same class as God. This is incorrect. In WoF's view, it's when you're *born again* is when you're in the same class as God as "little gods." Sorry if there was any confusion!
GOOD WORD...WELL EXPLAINED....THANKYOU !!!
So we are little gods?
and yes there are fakes (apostates mentioned in this vidio)
.. ... beCause there are reals .
👍🏽
1st Corinthians 12
@@deni-gibbs little gods come from the time of judges. God used them to judge between the Jews. Judges and rulers of our day may fit the definition. They make up the rules of man and decide who is right , wrong, justified or needs to be punished. Their judgment is not perfect. I am glad God has the final word
Yes, that's when they activate their true "god power"
Those first clips get me so mad. My son is autistic. So is my nephew. I've had charismatic healers try to "rebuke that spirit" for years. It's pure trash. They don't know God, they certainly don't have His power.
I watched my sister slowly die over 3 years from leukemia. I didn't doubt for one second God would heal her and neither did she even when we saw her body deteriorating. Then one day she passes, all while I never stopped believing God would heal her. Now by God's grace my heart didn't grow cold and I understand more than I did then.
Jesus didn't die to keep the physical body from deteriorating, He died to give us a brand new body that would NEVER deteriorate, and in this I rejoice knowing that my sister is resting, waiting for the day Christ comes and changes our bodies into the eternal bodies of glory. More people need to understand this because the doctrine of promised healing has ruined the faith of many. For all of us death is the GREATEST healing because we COME AWAY from the body of death, decay and disease.
Lastly, I'm sure NO ONE in Heaven is saying, "God, why didn't you heal me," but rather, "God why didn't you bring me here sooner?!"
Very beautifully put. My Father has leukemia and it is so hard to watch his health failing. We do hope and pray for healing, but my real prayer is that we will be strengthened and comforted and know the grace of God better no matter the outcome. It is a relief to know that his future is entirely in God’s hands, and not my own.
@@jillthereckless5949 You've said it well! I'll ALWAYS pray for healing when I see someone having an issue with their health. However, when you can be content with whatever outcome God chooses, that's how you know you've matured in your faith and what you treasure most which is Jesus and His will.
You said it!
The very best prayer and the one He will always answer is for His will to be done. That being said He has healed me many times and He healed my Mom of lung cancer and breast cancer (separate times). Praise Him forever amen! 😊🕊🔥💖✝️🫂❤️
Yahusha healed all who came to Him. His Apostles healed. The Holy Spirit gives the gift of healing. We are told that those who are sick will recover by the prayer of faith. (James 3). Mark 16:17-18 says that all who believe will heal.
Not receiving healing is a broken connection on our end, not on His. When we don't understand we keep pressing in.
I was healed.
I had serious hearing loss from years of playing electric guitar and shooting guns.
I was in a small church with maybe 20 people.
I was praying for someone else and suddenly everything got really loud.
I could hear others praying and even air flowing from the HVAC system.
I didn't ask for healing, it just happened.
In that moment, God proved to me that he was real and active and my life hasn't been the same since. ❤
❤❤❤
Praise Yah!! Yahuah IS a God of healing.
Thank you for sharing! Glory to God!!!!
That’s amazing! God wants us in health and your healing doesn’t seem to match the typical word of faith model.
That is beautiful ❤
I have a chronic illness. I would agree the most hurtful thing is people around me thinking it's my fault because I must not have enough faith to be healed.
same here. My ex pastor told me all who are sick and they're praying for yrs, don't have enough faith (aka me included). It really shook my faith. Now I'm in a rock solid bible in context church and my faith is slowly growing again. Praise the Lord O my soul. Also there's a fb group called christians exposing deception that has also helped me. May our Father in heaven strengthen us and fill us with His peace.
me too pain now out of the ballpark my faith in healing has not worked and i would NEVER DEMAND anything from God He;s GOD I can ask for healing but NEVDER BOSS GOD HIMSELF AROUND
They are truly ignorant of the truth.
Even Paul lived with "a thorn in his side".
Praying for God's will and sustenance in your life. ❤❤🕊
Are you saying you're perfect is your faith and that you have all the faith you need. If I fail to receive something promised to me in scripture, I look at myself. I don't blame a teacher or movement that is trying to help me be healed or prosperous. I've been in Word of Faith for over 30 years and have never heard anyone say to a person who did not receive healing "you don't have enough faith." What is usually taught is that your unbelief is hindering your faith. Or....hindrances to receiving healing. All you need on the faith side is a mustard seed size.
@susanthroop1279 your statement contained opposite views
Melissa, thank you, Mike Winger , Pastor Jack Hibbs, and Pastor Greg Laurie for "Red Pilling" me out of this doctrine of demons. I lead my family astray with this not knowing better. But like you say, the spiritual gas lighting makes it hard to see . Now that i know I was in error ive repented and am now red pilling my family and switching churches to get far away from this dumpster fire. Pray for me sister. God bless you for this ministry.❤❤❤
How were you led astray and what were you led into....Calvinism and Cessationism?
@@susanthroop1279You ok, sis?
@@donde2k Yes, are you?
@susanthroop1279 can you provide examples of the gifts from church history ???
@@bigtobacco1098 Yes...there's a book called 2000 Years of Charismatic Christianity that documents them. Also a recent You Tube presentation by Daniel Kolenda called Cessationism does.
We are MANDATED to test everything against scripture and truth!!! As a former LDS, this concept is vital! Truth!
I'm very happy to hear you are out of that aberration.
Amen, we’re to be like the Bereans, and test everything against God’s Word, and hold on to that which is true. Thank You Father for your Word, in Jesus’ name.
I'm glad you are sharing. Please share with the LDS people that you are saved. Hope to meet you in Heaven and hear your story. With social media we can't always meet people we see comment. However we can meet so many later
As a former LDS do you think the Chosen is promoting Mormonism? I just wanted to get your take on it. It’s my opinion that it is not Biblical simply by virtue of their “creative license”.
@@LisaAllen-bl7bfYes.
Once money becomes part of the miraculous intervention equation, it reminds me of another man from Samaria named Simon who had practiced sorcery.
" When Simon saw that the Spirit was given through the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money. " Acts 8: 18.
Big FAT Amen
Yesss absolutely!!
The strange thing is he didn't ask for forgiveness and stop what he is doing, he ask for prayer from others.
Exactly!! I feel like Acts 8 alone rebukes and refutes these false healers perfectly. But it seems no one reads their Bibles these days. If they did, they certainly wouldn't be flocking to the Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry! They are selling the gift of God mentioned in Acts 8 for $13,000 per person!
@@ntabile headlong into the error of Balaam
I was educated in Convent School in 1960"s Sydney. The Sisters taught us that "God gave us a good brain, and He expects you to use it" Thank You for exposing this
Using your brain or if I may say your flesh to assess spiritual concepts is not scriptural. If it comes to believing what the bible says vs a sister I'll take the bible because its the authority for the Christian walk.
Please pray for a grown child of mine that follows the word of faith movement. ❤
only his critical thinking would take him out
May our good Lord open his eyes to HIS truth as HE has done for me. I got out in 2016 from WOF church. Praise the Lord. My husband is still listening to Kent Christmas and Robyn Bullock. I've tried explaining certain scriptures to him but he just can't see it yet. Prayers for your child. Don't give up. I have 3 adult sons that I've been praying for yrs. for their salvation. It's hard and I get weary but I continue to cry out to HIM Jesus Christ our Savior. May God continue to give us strength and peace in our hearts.
P.S. I watched the American Gospel doc film and that is where I started questioning everything. Also there's a fb group called christians exposing deception that has also helped me.
The seed of the righteous shall be delivered Proverbs 11:21b. Pray that over your child. Remind God of His word.
I was in the word of faith and when I had a miscarriage, my prayer group at the Church I attended said I must have either not have had faith that God would let my baby live, or that I had committed some unknown sin. I believed for years I had ticked God off and blamed myself for my baby's death. Watch about what kind of people you pray with daily or weekly.
I'm so sorry you had to go through that, but thank you for sharing. People can see the erroneous teachings they believe more easily sometimes when they hear others have been hurt in the same way.
Did you respond with, "Hey how do you feel about John 9?" Good grief. That's devastating. I know your pain and have had a miscarriage. Praying for your pain and that you can go to the Lord with it after experiencing that outcome in the church. 😢😪
That's completely awful. I'm so sorry that happened to you.
Thanks! Jesus has healed my heart and I know know I did nothing to cause my baby to die. Those people I prayed with believed God always healed and if tragedy happened it was due to lack of faith. I no longer am in faith movement.
Praise the Lord for your healing, restored faith, the blessings of wisdom and knowledge after a tragedy. Thanks for the update ❤
I recently left the church I was in for 7 years. Served in many ways (worship leading, youth teaching, technical staff etc.) for all this time. I loved it, and it helped me a lot in my walk. A pastor I was really close to since my conversion (he baptized me) came to lead the church 3 years ago. When I first knew him, he was clean. But he has become a Word of Faith teacher, and he ruined it all. The church is still full, but of people who only want miracles and healings. No sound teaching anymore, books to sell replaced with Johnson's lies. I doubted my own discernment for 2 years before I decided to leave. It hurt me so much, I became really suspicious of everyone, and it's been hard to join another church. There was a shift also in the songs that were put forward during worship, and I have stepped down from my ministry because of that. Some songs, that are not bad in and on itself, in the church where I go now, remind me of this pastor and just destroy my worship time. It leaves in sadness and despair.
And I live in France, just so you know that it is not just an American thing...
I wonder if you have ever watched Spencer Smith on YT? He is a cessationist, and with that I do not agree, but he has done a wonderful job at exposing what he calls "The rise of the divine feminine", and the Christian music scene. Very interesting indeed.
May the good Lord comfort you .
@@joyfulnoise6913
Yes he is so informative! I also don’t agree with the cessationism but otherwise he has a ton of good info! Third Adam documentary was mind blowing!
@@ginabrace1360
Yes! He has been very helpful in increasing my discernment. May God use him in mighty ways for the protection of His children
Did that church sign up to become a satellite church of Bethel? How did this pastor fall into this error?
I went to a church early on in my walk with Christ and I asked for the elders to pray for me as at the time I was suffering from anxiety and depression. They put their hands on my shoulders to pray then they physically forced me to fall back into the floor. I tried to resist but they kept pulling and pushing me. So I did do what they wanted and they asked me how I felt,but nothing was different and I made a point to tell the pastor that nothing had changed. To this day I don’t know what they were thinking….i never expected to be healed right then and there. I just know that having others pray for you can be better than just praying for yourself and that was what I wanted and they turned it into a side show. I stopped going to that church.
Been there before. Was pushed onto the floor several times. It made me furious.
I love watching Nic Vujuich please watch his videos cheers and blessings from n.z
I just want to say I'm sorry that happened to you. I've had similar experiences in church too. But I also want to share with you how God set me free from depression. I was 16yrs old and I was in a Benny Hinn service. I was just worshipping the Lord and I felt his presence and the depression leave my body. I knew I was delivered and I stopped taking my meds cold turkey. No one prayed for me. It was just me and Jesus. ❤
I went to the front of church at the alter call telling them what I needed prayer for which
was anxiety and panic attacks. Three people just placed their hands on my shoulder and prayed. I told the Lord only u can heal me nothing else worked well the next day I was healed. Some churches ruin what is good because they lack knowledge. I've experienced falling down in the spirit but was never pushed.
They tried to make it look like you were slain in the spirit
I was healed in an instant, but not until God wanted to and I was never sure if he ever would. I just kept asking for years, very humbly, and he did it ❤
Amen! The word says there is a set time for deliverance!
@@Elle-hx8ji what is that verse please? That would be very helpful. Thank you 😊
@@rK-em4yy I think that your response was for the person I responded to who must have deleted their comment 🧐
@@JulesMAuI'm sorry, indeed my response was intended for someone else.Thanks for the alert.
@@rK-em4yy 😊
That was one of the things that broke my hearth, when I was in a wheelchair many people told me that I did not have enough faith. I was 12 years at that time and I did not understand any of this faith thing so God raised me up out of a wheel chair when people stoped praying for me it has been 53 years of my healing and I will for ever be grateful to my God and savior Jesus.
That's awesome. God wins again. ❤
God deserves all glory and honor for that!!
Brother every day I get up I give thanks and glory to our God for his power and mercy for me and my parents @@gaildicarlo4784
That's beautiful. God is so amazing. He delivered me from depression when I was 16 and no one prayed for me. I was just worshipping him and I felt it leave my body. I stopped taking my antidepressants because i knew God set me free from it.
@@rachelkrug6761 I am very grateful to our God for your deliverance He still performing miracles but not when we demand but when is His will, remain in Him till the end blessings to you and your family.
As an RN with a few WOF relatives, it breaks my heart. I almost want to ask: “So none of my hundreds of patients had enough faith to be healed??”
I heard a former abortionist OB tell a story about a family with a baby with anencephaly and how a colleague was so upset that he had to help deliver “a monster”. He found out later that the loving family so weighed on that colleague’s mind that he never performed another abortion.
That family who knew their baby would never live but loved her anyway still to this day has no idea how many hundreds of lives were saved by her brief time in this world.
I was healed from weed, alcohol and cocaine overnight while the smart stupid people with a degree would suggest I go to rehab.
And lastly were all your patients deep believers or where they religious? Being religious doesn’t mean you’re a believer, you’re lukewarm
I’m an RN and I know supernatural healing is real because I’ve seen it in the hospital three times.
I grew up in this and a few years ago, I began to question a lot of things. I found your channel and began watching, and I began studying Apologics recently. I can not begin to tell you how awful I always felt, because I did not feel I was good enough, had enough faith, was smart enough or was capable of having the faith they kept saying I needed to do or have xyz. I am now, just trying to find a good Bible based church to attend, and I am doing a deep dive into the scriptures. I am also trying to unlearn what I was taught for the last 60 years. Thank God he is faithful to lead us if we only ask and follow his direction.
Me too
I relate so much with your story 😞 God bless you, dear! 😉
Had a similar experience
So Word of Faith teachings and ministries are the reason who don't feel good enough or how much faith you have....yikes....yep its easier to remain sick and poor and blame others for it.
AMEN ! My husband and I left the Word of Faith church we attended almost 2 years ago and haven't looked back. I am so grateful the Lord opened my eyes and delivered me out of this deception. It's no joking matter but I asked my husband what he would say if someone asked him why he stopped going to church there and he said, "Because I couldn't afford it anymore"! Money was the name of the game, sadly.
My wife was dying from cancer in 2008, and I had asked her to let the elders of my church pray for her healing. She would not let them do that. She told me before she died, that if she was not healed. Her death may hurt someone else's faith. Even when she was sick and dying she was thinking of others. Thanks for posting your video.
Your quick story here immediately brought me to tears ... thank you for sharing.
Wow, what an amazing woman.
So yall have no faith in the God yall claim to serve?...
@@revivalist_avivador_Jad For real....it literally says in the Bible (James 5:14-16 "Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer of faith will save the sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven." Literally the prayer of faith.
@@revivalist_avivador_Jadno it’s just God doesn’t have to heal someone even when we ask. It’s especially so because when Christians ask they say “but your will be done not mine” and it may not be God’s will that you’re healed. Some people young or weak in the faith may not get that though which I assume is what the wife was worried about
I've had an issue with Kathryn's ministry since I first saw her. People going through deliverance should not be on a stage... Matthew 10:8 "Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.". Jesus said freely. Now the supposed "lord of Kathryn" says this poor lady whose child is suffering needs to tithe more for deliverance. What happened to Jesus having compassion on someone and healing them? Since when did Jesus charge anyone for freedom? This is disgraceful. May the Lord rebuke her.
Her “ministry” is a schemistry
Amen❤
and the worst is that Jesus is not receiving any monies for these miracles, he is being scammed
@@bronsonmcnulty1110 He doesn't need any money. God owns everything. Without Him there would be nothing, and everything belongs to Him.
Yep. Also, "demons are released" or "deliverance" is done on the count of 3!! Also, if it was from the Lord, the demons wouldn't have stayed long, they would have long been *frightened* of the body with loud screams and run away. And God gives authority when doing it, not just saying "Jesus loves you, Jesus loves you". There is also the need to preach sin and righteousness and judgement, and why we need Jesus's saving.
My husband and I were drawn out of WoF by the Holy Spirit and we’re STILL digging up wrong beliefs inside us. Thanks for this video…it helps.
me too
So now have you fallen into Cessatinism and Calvinism?
@@susanthroop1279 there's something called the gospel then spreading the gospel
@@rhondahart2416 Not sure what your point is. I asked you a question. I'm assuming you're dodging it because more than likely you're a Calvinist and or Cessationist, correct?
@@susanthroop1279 I'm neither. My point is just because someone leaves w.o.f doesn't make you cessationist nor Calvinist.
There's more in the world than just those three groups. The gospel is the only that's nessessary. The w.o.f movement only cares about miracles , visions, healings making apostles and other stuff that has nothing to do with the Gospel.
Lazarus was poor and sick,never was healed,and the rich man was rich and healthy. Yet Lazarus entered into the kingdom, and not the rich man, it was Faith that saved Lazarus.God shines His light on both the righteous and the unrighteous,and He makes it rain on both the Righteous and unrighteous. His will be done, nothing is impossible with God.amen
amen
That particular Lazarus preceeded Jesus' resurrection and available healing redemption.
On the other hand, Jesus raised his friend Lazarus from the dead, after Jewish tradition said that he was irreversibly dead! (>3 days)
@@fangletterman-ng2ro 👍
Just got finished watching American Gospel…I was raised in the Word of Faith atmosphere. Kenneth Copeland/Derek Prince/Kenneth Hagin weren’t at this level at that time but they were approaching it. I will have to say that Kenneth Hagin was no where near the level of heresay that Kennth Copeland was and is. Your video today touches on things the like of which I have never heard. (I got out of the Word of Faith movement about 25 years ago) I appreciate you bringing these kinds of people to light. I will have to say that Spirit/soul/body was introduced back then but the speaker saying that we should not question them wasn’t part of it at that time. I got out because of the “you don’t have enough faith”and “you don’t give enough” mantra was too overwhelming and I could not find it anywhere in scripture. Thanks for all you do.
AG was life changing for me. The Messed Up Church has done videos on Hagin and he was a very dangerous man.
Oh wow! I just watched American Gospel for the first time, too-seemingly about the same time YOU were watching it. 🤗. What an EXCELLENT convo.
Oh...and I'm grateful you were delivered out of that nar/wof nonsense. (Im in the center. Not center-leftmm..Center of the center of the center.💁♀️ lol).
I'll take your word for it bc you obviously know Hagin far better than I do. Plus, I can't imagine anyone more demonic than Copeland. But, to me, its kinda like saying L.Ron Hubbard wasn't as bad as David Miscavige. Know what I mean? They may not has bn as bad in terms of bad behavior & amt/seriousness of lies, but their teachings had such horrible, broad affect. Kinda like how most cult leaders have legions of flying monkeys but clutch their pearls "But EYE didn't do anything. EEYYEEE didn't instruct anyone to...".
Just my humble pov. Such an interesting AND disturbing topic. Hard to believe such power exists.
@@PetiteFlower333 Yes, "messed up church" is such a good channel.
@@Anabee3 Meh. Cessationists.
Don’t put Derek Prince in this group. He was an incredible teacher of the Bible and freely admitted all mistakes he made.
Great message - Your remark near the end regarding holding true to our faith when we don't get the healing/blessing was a great kicker and the key message. Thanks.
Why would God TELL us that he intends to heal us, pnly to WITHOLD that, to TEST us? That seems awefully TWISTED, and especially not right, of a being who cannot lie.
Thank you Melissa for your videos. I’ve been following your content for about two years and I so appreciate your viewpoint. I was unknowingly caught up in watered down word-faith/name it claim it. My dad passed away when I was 15 and my dear mom believed 100% that my dad would be healed(she even brought clothes to the crematorium). She went through about 7 years of depression but she never let go of Jesus. Our family went through a lot of difficultly but God has been so gracious. Years later my mom shared with me that the Lord told her the day my dad died that he was not going to heal him. We don’t understand but I look back and I see God’s hand over my life and my family. He is so good to us
I am literally weeping, as I'm listening to this, because I had allowed myself to be deceived by all of this - even to causing my son to walk away from the faith. When both of his kidneys failed at age 17, I would not accept that he wouldn't be healed miraculously.
He has had two separate kidney transplants since then, because the first one failed, and he had to endure dialysis for a couple years. His suffering was horrible. He is now 30 years old, and I pray every day he will learn to trust God. The healing didn't come in the way I insisted, but looking back, I see how faithful God has been, and I am painfully ashamed of the harm all of this has caused.
Lord have mercy on me and on our family. (Help us to trust Your purpose and plans.)🙏
Publicly analyzing public speech is fair game. Rock on, Melissa.
“Works based system!” May ALL striving cease! And work only to enter into His rest! Seek Him! CLING TO JESUS.
I am so happy that you made this video. I am around people who tell me I am healed, but I am not. And I felt like God is dingling carrot in my face. I am healed on his time. And I am ok with that. Trust him.
Discerning is a spiritual gift that is a shield and armor against deceivers and charlatans
They have spirit alright. Demonic! They don't have the Holy Spirit or they won't be doing such false teachings etc.
There are pastors who get rid of those in their congregations with the gift of discernment. The pastors fear them.
@@pkmcnett5649 There are pretender apostles and pretender prophets from
ancient time who are counterfeits. They are false teachers of the gullible and
people too easily impressed by liars who are stage performers playing a role
as an actor in a spectacle that is religious theater. This is a magic act where
pretenders are the magician. The star of the show is well paid for the illusions.
Revelation 2 is where some mention of such pretenders is made, who were the
master magicians of their day having a lineage of apprentice pretenders that has
continued to produce the jet set pretender apostle-magicians of the present day.
Nicolaitans have been around a very long time peddling the wares of their trade
that is as convincing as may be a story of some who believe their own lies,
becoming convinced by repetition of a dogma where they claim having special
knowledge of deeper truths, but this is their own idea and performance for hire.
It is! And it's something a lot of Christians lack
Brilliant job sister! I was a pastor in a church for years that considered ourselves a hospital for those who had been unbelievably hurt by the word faith movement. I’m old enough to remember when word faith teachers (I will not call them pastors) told their folks to “leave their minds at the door” when they came to “church.” Keep up the good work, your ministry is a massive blessing.
Whoa! That sounds very culty
Cameron, that is really interesting! What are some of the principles that you would say are vital for anyone who wants to help bring healing to people who are hurting as they come out from word of faith environments?
Were people healed physically in your church?
@@jannaswanson271probably not, many churches are religious aka Pharisees.
@@derekvela2458 Yes, I know. I just wanted to see what he would say.
Thank you Melissa and this is so real and true what you are saying. 🙏❤
From someone who almost went down the wrong path with the "new age" movement way back in the 1980's, I know how easy we can be deceived!!!!
It is very dangerous because God doesn't want us to fall for anything this world can trap us in and we all struggle enough as it is anyway.
Thank you for keeping clarity for people in our day and age and know that we stand with you on these important truths.
I've never been comfortable with anyone saying they are a "prophet or prophetess."
Also love how you emphasize not to let them to tell you to turn your mind off or critical think. How dangerous.
Thanks again 😁 🙏😍
Melissa, thank you so much for the verses that tell us to judge, test, discern...
"Theologically throat-punch" is my new favorite phrase. I will work it into studies whenever possible from now on.
Been my go to since I was in youth group. I always felt like I needed more throat punch sermons growing up in the church.
I love it too!!!!!
It's very concerning that people 'need to sow' before God brings healing and/or deliverance... I remember what Jesus did when he walked into the temple and people were more concerned about money than keeping God's temple holy
It's not concerning, it's disgusting.
Amen! Jesus never told anyone he healed or saved that they had to sow seeds first before his touch would heal them.
I call it buying your miracle.......I don't recall Jesus ever charging before healing, but according to the " gospel " of the times he does now apparently. People need to run from these liars, cheats, hypocrites, but yet they still go to them, how very sad.
There is God's promise in Malachi, that he rebukes the devourer for our sake, when we tithe. Is that truth, or not? Giving BREAKS Mammon's hold over us. We will either serve Mammon or God. Until a person's heart is broken by giving, that stinking Mammon controls that person. That may be what Katherine was addressing in that clip where she instructed that man to give more. And, yes, people may writhe on the ground when a demon is allowed to manifest. They did it in Jesus' day; why wouldn't they do it, now? Are we somehow too dignified, today? Yes, discern how scripture gets twisted to give to the conventional church. But don't throw out healing, bc people have exploited your ignorance about giving to support ministry or alms. Thank you!
My family was affected by the wolf in sheep's clothing Kenneth Copeland. When my mom had a stroke and we tried to get her healed, nothing worked. We were told that we didn't have enough faith. Talk about guilt and shame. It took me years to accept that while God does heal, He doesn't ALWAYS heal. Still wish I knew why He didn't, but may not know this side of heaven. These people are what Paul was describing when he talked about in Jude...clouds without water. Without fruit and uprooted...twice dead. They need to repent of their wicked ways...yesterday! Thanks for your great channel Melissa.
Came out this and so grateful God opened my eyes to this! Your explanation is so helpful!
Thank you Melissa for calling out these false teachings. I followed many “Word of Faith” teachers when I was a baby christian. The more I read my Bible the more I realized some of the things these teachers were saying were unbiblical.
I stopped following Kathryn Krick when she posted a “testimony” of a member of hers who sewed a seed & was healed. In my head, I was like 🚩. This is not okay! I pray she humbles herself & repents. Her teachings along w/ many other WOF teachers caused me much fear.
I was told by a pastor when I questioned why he took the youth to see a particular movie without letting the parents know and I questioned his "hearing from God" on this movie- that I "better be careful" in my confronting or questioning a "man of God"
I personally don't understand why there are youth pastors or ministries. Parents should be teaching their children. If young people from church want to hang out together, let them plan it themselves.
It's fine if you teach your teens. I did not learn much in youth group. Mostly it was about pizza, retreats, and going to Six Flags. I see where you're coming from.
That's horrible! Why would you keep a secret from the parents?
Wow i hope this man is not your pastor anymore, what a crazy attitude!!
I pray you have found a humble, true leader of the faith.
@@carriestout6422 Most of the time it just seemed like parents just wanted to dump their kids there and have someone else discipline them.
Thank you for sharing. I was at a revival of this person yesterday and I walked out my totally agree with your video. Thank you for your knowledge.
Thank you for the succinct definition of NAR/WoF at 23:50. I’ve been trying to make sense of it all and this put it into perfect perspective! I know friends who have been terribly hurt by prayer teams saying that they can’t come back for more prayer because they’ve already asked for prayer for that issue and the person (supposedly) doesn’t have enough faith. (Meanwhile, I’ve been in the waiting room for years because my husband doesn’t want to ask God in to help us. PTL that he had been faithfully saying a marriage prayer with me for the last 6 months and now we’ve added in Psalm 91). Gods time isn’t our time! He will move when and how He wishes. Prayers up for salvation for all the lost!
Kathryn Krick came to my former church back in Oct of 2021. All I can really say was that her whole demeanor and actions made most of us there feel like something was seriously off. It all felt staged.
This reminds me of the verse that says, ”On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’“
Matthew 7:22-23
Exactly right on...
Pretend Christians can be like pretend scientists, you have to really drill down into what they are saying to recognize the fraud and see these people are charlatans and quacks.
This is a great way to look at this scripture 🙌🏾
Fabulous, beyond-needed teaching! Thank you so much and God bless 🙏! Please continue teaching the Word and spreading the gospel 🙏!
I'm not a "new" Christian" but more of a prodigal one who stopped going to church over 30 years ago because I became disenchanted with "Religion". Now wanting to find a church home I continue to pray for discernment and wisdom in who to follow. You helped answer many questions, including, "How can we possibly be healed if it is not God's Will for our lives?". Well, we WON'T be healed if it's not God's Will and it has nothing to do with not having enough faith. Thank you! It gave me much confirmation.
I thank God for you. I have left a word of faith church that I had been a faithful member since 1986. They have brought in recent teaching of the Church is salvation. That the church is our mother. Now I even see that the whole word of faith was a mixture of witchcraft. My husband was in the spanish ministry and he would come home upset with their teaching of once saved always saved. Long story. He had some major health issues. Hospice in 1991. Doing much better until a massive stroke surgery in 2001. Juan used to tell me. Whatever happens Ruth. We win. He was quoting from Romans 8 Well In the beginning of Jan of this year. After 8 months on hospice. God gave me the verse. 2 Timothy 4:18 God took my sweet husband of 48 years safely into His heavenly kingdom. The story doesn't end. He was the youngest of 9. He spoke at his mother's grave site and prayed they would receive Jesus. Now there is over 40 that are in ministry or saved. After his passing in Jan. His two brothers that live in Sioux City. They were born again. The next month one of also went home to be with Jesus. Thank you so much for speaking the truth. Jesus, he is all that matters. God bless you.
When someone claims to be a Apostle, I not only question them, I run away. They are not Biblical people.
Some people abuse the title like they abuse everything but Yahusha did give some to be apostles and He does heal.
There were 12 Apostles of Jesus Christ. Anyone claiming to be an Apostle of Jesus Christ today is a liar.
His name is Jesus .. stop messing with His name. Repent.
@@jnoneya7257what are you talking about?
An apostle by definition is someone who walked with Jesus. Yes, God did call some to be apostles but unless you have a time machine, it’s not you.
Thank you so much. I am in the process of leaving a WOF church. Please pray for me
Absolutely so so good Melissa!
Thank you for this post.
So in a sense you have to “pay”for a deliverance/healing? No no no 😢
Yes. It's all about money. They abuse the Malachi money scripture! The one meant for Israel.
I wonder what Apostle Peter would have said about this in Acts 8.... rebuking Simon the magician for thinking he could buy the Holy Spirit...
@@LIFEINSOUTHFLORIDA good point!!
This absolutely is not always the case . Many ministries that do deliverance do it for free . And my church, nor any other word of faith churches teach that we r bringing heaven to Earth
Sounds a little bit like the sale if indulgences in Martin Luther's day.
This belief system sounds kind of gnostic.
Good eye.
It really is Gnostic. These people think they are "little gods" and they lower Christ's divinity and focus on His humanity. Some say we could have done what Jesus did, that we could be perfect enough to die for humanity on a Cross! I have actually heard people like Hagin, who lived in my city and his son still says the same stuff.
Bingo!
Yes, I think they conflate having the Holy Spirit for discernment and relationship with God with *being God* and they can't separate that having the Spirit is separate from BEING the Spirit. It crosses into disrespect of the Trinity to say we are a part of Them instead of having a relationship with Them.
@@Seraphina-ElihuChill 😎
Thank you Melissa. You explained WoF perfectly; making it understandable. One of the reasons so many get trapped - their skewed doctrine is oh so subtle. But your explanation really has helped my wife and I see what to watch for from our own new Pastor who last Sunday said how reading the Bible is bad. That reading and studying the Bible keeps you from believing in signs and wonders. The family handling the youth “walked”, on the spot. We are close, but have not got a direction just yet from the Father. I told my wife that if the Pastor connects God’s sovereignty to cash donations, we will know that he has become, (or always was), a, “the Will of God completed upon earth as it is in heaven”, BEFORE Jesus returns, kind if guy; his eschatology. He has been pounding about the Spirit gifts now for a month. I am tired of leaders who are always wrong, do not obey God’s Word - twisting what it says. We are a created being, that’s it! We are not and never will be gods. We are a created expression of His love.
Thank you Melissa.
Jesus MODELED KINGDOM LIVING to us. WHEN do you intend to live in the power of his kingdom, supplied by his Spirit? He wouldn't have GIVEN us his Spirit while still on the earth, if he didnt i tend for us to USE it while we are still here on earth to use it! SHAME on you, for casting his gift back in his teeth. He died for you to have aych better life here on eaeth than you could have under your own, limited power. It's very sad to see you leave his power on the table, in favor of a religious teaching. Live in the Holy Spirit, rather than under the oppressive yoke of the Spirit of Religion!
Hello Sister Melissa! Very good teaching. I was in a word of faith church. This is wicked, what they are teaching. Thanks so much!
I’m glad that “word of faith” isn’t true. I can be a total chuckle head and if I had the power to speak my will into existence I’d mess things up horribly! I’m glad I have a good Father in heaven that gives me His will when I seek it and He gives only good things.
Only God can speak into reality. Those who are saying we can are basically saying what the devil said in the garden. We will be like God lol. The only thing required is faith in God but that does not always mean God will say yes in all cases.
Word of faith is not believing you can speaks your will into existence word of faith is hearing God through scripture and speaking out HIS will over your life. This woman is lieing and not at representing what is biblically being taught
Amen! I’d be like pig pen with cyclones of chaos😂
If your words are of no consequence, then why does God hold us accountable for every word that we ever spoke?
Matt 12: 36-37, But I say unto you, That, every useless expression that men shall utter, they shall render, concerning it, an account, in a day of judgment; 37 For, by thy words, shalt thou be, justified, and, by thy words, shalt thou be condemned.
@@annfredericks4634 Lol, and you know Gods will ? Give me a break. Nobody truely knows his will except the Lord Jesus Christ.
I left the church because of this word of faith teaching, but God opened my eyes to the truth, and I was set free. God bless ❤️🙏
Great video, Melissa! I love your heart to reveal the truth. Keep doing what you're doing- people need to wake up and see what's going on in many churches today. I was a part of a Word of Faith/Prosperity gospel church for 7 years, and I didn't even know it. I thought it was 'normal'. Once I started questioning and speaking out, I went from being loved and accepted, to being a leper. It was a very controlling, manipulative church. As soon as I left, I experienced the peace of God so tangibly, and now I am learning (as well as warning others) about the dangers of this movement.
Thank you SO MUCH, Melissa for this one. Excellent again.
I've been hoping you would address her. Thank-you!
I was in both these movements and Jesus saved me from them.
Thank you for your videos of this. I had been praying about this exact thing for the past couple of days. I had been feeling uneasy about this movement. I consider myself center more towards charismatic also. God taught me by leading me to both sides. I find that teachings on both sides can be dangerous if left unchecked. I have been praying for people who have fallen into prosperity and word of faith movements. Some people around me are unknowingly following things they dont understand. When someone told me they were an apostle out of nowhere , i cant help but wonder who told them that. It breaks my heart because where is the freedom. God gave us discernment to test all spirits. There is a reason something feels off. People call themselves apostles and lift themselves up above other people which is wrong in the Bible. Its a power and money grab. Even if it starts innocent, power and money can corrupt. Thank you and God bless!
This video came at the right time. Thank you 🙏
Wow, I didn’t realize Kathryn’s platform/ reach was so big! Just started the video, intrigued to hear your thoughts.
Thank you for the teaching, encouragement, and information. I've only seen glimpses of this movement from the outside. I had no idea that they believed things like this. I will continue to pray for them.
Your little background is awesome. Makes me feel warm and cozy.
We were told that there would be those coming not in Jesus name to do things for their own. What is so poisonous is if we would be told your healing hasn't come because you don't have enough faith. This is monstrous and so very wicked. Anything that does not affirm or strengthen faith is corrupt and to be discarded. our love has to be unconditional and the conditions such people burden people with is so petty and selfish. Dear Lord teach us to accept and truely love one another and placing no burden on any other brother or sister.
Thank you for your video.
The Apostles followed Yahusha because they knew He was the Messiah. Yet when He calmed the wind and the waves or fed the 5000 they marveled and whispered amongst themselves. They scattered when the soldiers took Him to be crucified. Yet later when they firmly believed they could heal others. We must keep pressing in on healing. Mark 16:17-18 says that all who believe will walk in healing.
There is healing in that Name. There must be, because Jesus said, “In My Name, they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover” (Mark 16:18)
That one statement is clear in my book, That God will NOT always heal. We are on the same page. Again. Good work!
Oh, and that we will not always prosper financially. Also in the book in, like, the same sentence.
Yes, and the bible talks about wealth and prosperity a lot. In over 2000 verses and a lot in the parables. Not always in a positive way eighter..
Yahusha healed every person who came to Him in faith.
@@jannaswanson271 Yahusha/Yeshua/Yesu/Jesus/Jezus/Iēsous/Isa/Gesú/Ishuti/Jisas/Isa/Ihu/Isua or whatever name you might call Him in your language. We need to remind one thing. Healing can come in many forms and is in His hands and not in our presumptive commands.🙏🏻
@@jannaswanson271Yahusha didn’t heal Paul when he asked, which Paul wrote about in 1 Corinthians, but Yahusha did heal many people, from Matthew 15:29-31, Mark 1:29-34, and Luke 4:38-41.
Wealth has a different meaning in the Bible. Jesus says wherever your treasure is there your heart would be. If we treasure money then that is where our heart is. If we see him as our treasure/ wealth, there our heart will be.
Excellent, thank you. I’m glad you mentioned Wommack! I live in the same city where he has based his ministry and Charis Bible College. I’m trying to start a program to help local Christians understand that a beautiful new building doesn’t equal trustworthiness, but heresy. Not sure yet what doors are going to be opened for me, but all in God’s timing.
Love your thoughtful ministry! PLEASE keep on keeping on!
Faith is very important , Jesus often chastised the apostles about not having faith. The problem is certain people want you to trust THEM and not God. We should have more faith in his will and healing and not doubt no matter what!! In all things praise God.
I agree with your explanation 100%! The only thing I'm on the fence about is the motive of those who teach & hold these views. You are attributing nefarious, deceitful motives to these people. While there may be some who fit that description, I think that most genuinely believe the teaching. Pray for the people in this movement! I am so thankful for this great explanation, I have been very unsettled about the movement for some time, but many I know are still very entrenched. Keep up the great work!
Melissa, you were abaolutely right about the power of words, positive confession and attitudes to healing. It has taken a long time for me to reconcile a lot of the WoF teaching I was raised with. I saw two people very near and sear to me struggle with years-long health battles which ultimately took their lives. I've been able to praise that they are in heaven, but it certainly helped challenge the notion of having enough faith. My own minor health battles have challenged it too. I would appreciate any time and effort you'd put towards further videos and study 🙏
Thanks so much for your truth speaking!! I bless the Lord because of you explaining this to so many people. Love from Canada
Great video! Thank you Melissa! ❤
Been there, done that, got the T-Shirt, wore the T-Shirt out…. Rick Joyner’s MorningStar Ministries School of Ministry 3 - years. Came to a modified Reformed belief outline. NAR is absolute POISON.
Yes, I agree! I came out of NAR/WOF and now I am praying that all my friends in those movements come out.
Another verse to add for questioning Prosperity teachers. Hosea 4:6, "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge; because you have rejected knowledge, I reject you from being a priest to me. And since you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children." Its one of my favorites.
How does that verse question prosperity teachers? First off that’s just a strawman, the Bible is filled with verses and prosperity. If you have a job and live your life to have a job, pay your bills, retire and die. Your God has been mammon the whole time.
@@derekvela2458 how is this a straw man? In this verse, for context its talking about the Israelites lead astray by idolatry and false teachings. They perish because they lack knowledge from the truth. This verse can be used against churches who teach a false gospel to control people and bring in more money. People who lack knowledge of the true God are unfortunately desperate and want to look for signs, and wonders. Another trick these false teachings is he can make you rich! That's leading them astray and down a really scary path. That's not how God works.
Thank you Melissa for your videos. I truly appreciate what you have to say. You are spot on.
❤. Thank you for making this video
I don't have time now but this made my "watch later" playlist.
Thank you
Melissa, I thank you for covering the WOF movement. I finally had to admit that I have been caught up in this teaching, through other teachers, over the last 4 years. When you mentioned them trying to create heaven here on earth through the seven spheres of influence, the words that came to mind were, as above so below. These teachings are everywhere and it’s is easy to see it now. Keep up the great work Melissa, it is absolutely necessary.
What is wrong with , "as above, so below?"
Jesus taught his disciples to pray, "on earth as it is in heaven."
What is wrong with intending to subdue the earth, as God commanded and commussioned Adam, in Genesis 2? In Rev 5: 10, they sing in heaven that God's people "reign in the earth," and THAT is BEFORE any judgement of the grear tribulation begins in the earth. The SAINTS REIGN IN THE EARTH, BEFORE the 7 seals are opened!!!
Thank you Melissa for all your good work! ❤
Really like the professional lighting modifications you made to the set.
The cult of prosperity: spiritually destitute.
That last part about not receiving my miracle, but God still loves me, I really needed to hear that. Thank you Melissa
Melissa, you're channel is hitting its stride. Keep up the good work!
I’m a 3 Year business school graduate of Andrew Womack and I love your content Melissa! I spent 1 year at Bethel and 1 year in YWAM as well before settling at Charis.
Andrew isn’t quite in the same category as word of faith preachers. He’s pretty clear about acting according to the faith you have, and not someone else’s. He actively rebukes people for trying to just mimic the faith he may have to not go to the doctor or whatever. At the core he’s actually a bible teacher and not a word of faith guy.
The school also emphasis a high view of scripture, as the entire first year program is reading through the entire bible as your “textbook”. As a big fan of apologetics and critical thinking, I don’t agree with quite everything Andrew says, but he has one of the healthiest healing ministries I’ve seen. I actually started learning Hebrew and Greek during my first year and came out of the school with a greater love for scripture and not the miraculous… Bethel and YWAM… not so much!
Please pray for discernment. Andrew Womack is a false teacher.
Thankyou Mrs. Dougherty. I find your knowledge & teaching so helpful, Thankyou.
Thanks Melissa, we came out of a word of faith Church which was just as you described. I simply cannot understand how such intelligent people could swallow such stuff.
I am grateful for your wisdom.
Excellent video. Refreshing truth. Thank you and very glad to follow. SDG 🙌🏼🙏🏼
Wow great video so far. Thank you.
Been saved for over a year now and still learning.
Welcome to the kingdom! Glad you watched this because I was sucked into this movement a few years after salvation at eleven.
Great job Melissa.
I was into Bethel for a while and you nailed the idea that only certain people have special anointings or words from God. I so badly wanted to be one of those people and felt like Bethel was the only place I could get it.
Eventually all that unraveled and I ditched my "spiritual warfare" Bible and started over.
It's difficult to return to church. Word of faith seeps in many places, and the bulk of traditional denominations are promoting Marxist identity politics and "gender" ideology instead of the Gospel.
But the Lord knows His people, and we know our Shepherd's voice.
Several years ago I was attending a Bible study. I read that book by Bill Johnson (Heaven on Earth). I began to realize it was all about the experience (I looked up TH-cam videos about BJ and all the sudden my “feed” was chock full of new age videos-thank goodness for the algorithm). In the meantime, my friend wanted us to watch BJ’s teaching on dvd. I told her I will come back to the study when they are done with that series. She disbanded the Bible study group effective immediately. I knew nothing about this movement, but the Holy Spirit did, and by God’s grace I was blessed with discernment. Thank you for teaching on this topic.
You handled this very well, Melissa. Bless you!
Thank you for your reasoning regarding “bringing heaven to earth.” That makes a ton of sense.
Amen Melissa! God bless you. 🙏 ❤
Thank you for this clear and truthful explanation of this problem. I hope there are listening ears out there!
I just subscribed to your channel yesterday. I had not viewed any of your videos before; yesterday was the first time. Once I did, I had no choice but to click on the like button, followed closely by the subscribe button. Your straightforward (and, perhaps, courageously honest) delivery of, IMHO, theologically sound views is a blessing to those who hear you. Thank you for your service to the Lord...and to your fellow Christians!
THANK YOU Melissa!!! I TRUST this reaches MANY caught in this horrific demonic movement and many are TRULY set free!! 🙏
Thanks Melissa for your continued bravery and honesty.
I remember being part of a 5 Fold Ministry Church and a leader said to me "Will I obey the leaders even if they happen to be wrong." Because obedience is their test of faith and the verse "your heart is deceitful above all things, who can trust it" gives the leaders the 'responsibility' to speak into your life, directing u as the spirit speaks to them.
Been saved out of that for 8years now...
I grew up in a church that taught the same theological beliefs as the ones highlighted in your video. They used phrases like 'The Lord is the big God, but we are little gods' and 'You've got to speak your healing into existence.' Even though that church no longer exists, it created two types of people: prideful Christian narcissists and spiritually broken believers who felt their lack of faith prevented God from working in their lives. Thank you and others for bringing much-needed attention to this non-biblical, pseudo-Christian movement.
You never disappoint, Melissa!