Michael Andersen & Brian Bonner - A Conspiracy of Defeatism by Media & Analysts Disguised as Realism
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- Today I am speaking with "Two Grumpy Old Men”, Michael Andersen and Brian Bonner who seasoned Ukraine watchers and have teamed up to create a video and Substack blog "Two Grumpy Old Men On Ukraine." They focus on Ukraine, and issues in related parts of the world since both have lived and worked in many countries. They write, run Q&As, create videos, report on the unfolding war, and resurface content from their collective archive, to help frame current events in a historical context.
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Those notorious algorithms are controlled or manipulated from the Google office in Moscow, so most pro-Ukrainian channels are capped at the minimum number of viewers and subscribers quite purposefully.
We mumble and stumble and hesitate, but worse we do it openly and telegraph it.
Trump. 👎
@@nealbeard1 👎X1,000
Trump is not unpredictable, he's completely predictable, he has been a Russian asset for a very long time.
Keep up your great work.Much needed.
That's exactly right! Disguised as realism! I just sent this to Senator Marco Rubio in the USA >> I am very disappointed that you said about Ukraine "...unfortunately the reality of it is that the way the war in Ukraine is going to end is with a negotiated settlement." That should NEVER be said publicly like that even if you believe it because it is a surrender strategy. Our 13 colonies fought over 75 battles in the Eighth and final year of our war for independence and lost a little over half of them. But they won the critical one at Yorktown. You need to spend energy getting Ukraine a lot of our older weapons and ammunition; they will win their 1991 borders back. Ukraine cannot pay russia in land for the horror that russia has inflicted on it; that would be like parents paying a murderer to tell them where he buried their children! Why would you encourage putin by publicly saying such a thing?
I’m sure he’ll give a watch 😂
@@captainahab9602when are you going to Kursk
Because he is a useful idiot, or part of the plan... did he reply?
Michael's words about the moral reason as the only necessary one to support Ukraine got me teared up - tusind tak! 💙💛
Approaching? You give all. Thankyou.
The honesty is refreshing. Thank you. I would also suggest calling into question the wasteful spending on the climate crusades while the ground war in Europe continues.
Some questionable points made by the guests in this one imo.
Agreed. The idea of freezing the current line of contact is idiotic.
That's what happened after Putin's first invasion in 2014.
difficult to listen to this defeatist gibberish
Why aren't we talking about the agreements that were signed when Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan gave up the nukes parked in their countries by the Soviet Union and only the Kremlin had the codes. Or the Politburo, whatever the leadership structure was then. They were removed in the 90's, I believe 94-96. It was a BFD at the time, but I never hear much about it anymore. Those 3 countries were given security guarantees if they are attacked or invaded
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Telegram being compromised was reasonably suspected when there were talks between the Russian government and Telegram's founder resulting in Telegram being allowed to continue to operate unimpeded within Russia.
What other explanation could there have been ?
Did you do to In The Bunker with Darth Putin KGB?
If not then you should, it was covered there in details awhile ago, good interview.
Several questions on a prospective "negotiation" where Ukraine is forced to give up (or stop fighting for) territories, such as Luhansk and Donetsk, and maybe most importantly Crimea, in exchange for peace: why would Ukraine simply yield on Crimea, if they have already rendered it useless for the Russians, and driven them out of the black sea? Isn't Crimea, and the access it gives Russia to shipping, and the ability to use it as a "floating aircraft carrier", as one of your guests described it, Russia's Achilles heel? When the Ukrainians are so close to breaking it now, why would they give in?
Great interview.
Practical, sensible, realistic.
I too love Ukraine and have lived in country.
Was in Kyiv just after The Orange Revolution, and Maidan.
I especially appreciated the comments regarding the CIA non sponsorship of both grass roots revolts.
For anyone who has lived in Ukraine with Ukrainian families, it easy to see... Ukrainians are simply done with Russia and its abuse of Ukrainians!!
10 Brigades would solve this in 6 months!!
And I think Ben Hodges would agree!
Jonathan, Michael and Brian, thanx for your view, cristal clear as always 👍🫶🏻🇺🇦🫶🏻
And I wish the media would talk about the birth tourism package deals and rump branding in North Miami, Sunny Isles, the trump branded resort and condos and golf course - hotspot for various criminal rings and stings.
Raising awareeness is an important key point.
The Rusky Propaganda machine is owning the average American's intelligence. btw, is it out the realm of possibility to have MEP Rihards Kols as a guest?
I'd like that as well. Nice suggestion.
I saw no 'blunders' in Zelenskyy's visit, only the far right throwing their toys out the pram.
Do you know Knowing Better channel? I went and rewatched two of his vids, lately, after passing 4 hours In The Bunker with Darth Putin...
one "Segregation by Any Other Name | American Education" the other "The Part of History You've Always Skipped | Neoslavery".
It reminded me where MAGA came from... in all it's gory details. I know, little to do with your comment, just the far right throwing stuff bit and who they support. People are so... hard to define politely, sometimes
I get that you're pro Ukraine. But many IN Ukraine don't like Zelenskyy. Westerners love Zelenskyy much more than Ukrainians.
You don't have to support Zelenskyy to support Ukraine. In fact, in many ways admitting when officials for Ukraine does wrong, which many saw themselves, it is good to point it out. You look like an ignorant self-defeating blind-to-reality person otherwise.
Grumpy old men rule!
Thank you all
The Ukrainian diaspora need to get over their fear and return home to help in the fight for the future of their country and culture
Not going home could lead to no more Ukraine
If England invaded Ireland and I lived abroad I'd go straight home
My experience of working with Ukrainian refugees for two years straight showed that a lot of them (NOT all) don't speak Ukrainian on the first place, are ethnic russians who happened to permanently reside in Ukraine when the Soviet Union collapsed and automatically received Ukrainian passports but retained imperialistic russian mindset. They will never go back to fight for Ukraine because they secretly support Russia. True patriots of Ukraine have remained and are fighting.
Not everybody is like you. I met many Ukrainians. I also know many fled the war and paid to get out. some were and are russian sympathisers, yet the majority aren't. Many were and still are too young. Many are studying and will soon become much more useful than an infantry sildier could be! Some study to create defense weapons, some medecine...
But some are just scared and have no training. Some are last survivors of their family. Some have major PTSD and other issues. But some are going to go back, eventually, maybe. Money is also often an issue for expats are now in countries not receptive to the workforce they represent, even if they are established dortors or have more than one master degrees. Plus there is hybrid warfare immigrations in these countries as well, compounding all this into a situation most people in the west aren't welling to wrap their heads around and understand effectively.
Empathy is important here. Be careful when you feel like voicing such an opinion, it usually does more damage than it helps. It's more important to help expat Ukrainians to get back on their feet than it is to criticise them.
Some lived where there is nothing left to return to.... a great many of them. Many already returned and are at the front...
If Viktor Orban, Hungarian head of state, can speak to CPAC, can visit Trump at Mar-a-Largo, and laud--yes, endorse--Trump for president--well, why doesn't this spark outrage at clear foreign interference in U.S. politics? Oh, how small-minded so many Republican leaders are. Zelenskyy's visit to the Scranton factory is certainly not overt partisan politics--read whatever else you want into it.
These guys absorb too much UV and brains melt. 🤣
What do you know about Melt?
I heard recently that 6,000 Ukrainians are voluntarily joining the military each month (in addition to draftees). 14 new brigades, but many have no weapons yet.
Your videos are Soooooo good! Thank you
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Thanks
Thank you Michael for bringing back the moral argument into this debate.
It seems like one of those guests just stopped here on a way to his real job at RTVI.. Every point he made was a “glass half empty”kind of thing.. Depressing the public in the middle of the war, in my opinion, is one of the most counterproductive things you can do.
Maybe it's because I'm a gloomy Finn -- always prepared for the worst possible outcome -- but I think it's important to get a realistic picture of what's going on and not default into complacency or false optimism.
The problem in the West, in my view, is lack of urgency. You cannot snap out of it by sticking your head in the sand and hoping that the adults will take care of it. I live in a democratic country. My country needs me to be better informed and more engaged, active, and prepared than that.
@@henriikkak2091 Urgency is key, of course, but democracies are slow, there are internal struggles that are a war on it's own. The front is everywhere and one must consider all aspaect in real time. Frustrations are great, I understand. Patience and love. Also, try to be at peace with what you cannot know, nor control, not directly influence. Put your frustearion and anger in what you can change and influence. My reply is my attempt to do just that.
@@henriikkak2091 Also, you can watch an interesting bit, mind you Yewleea can be anhoying, but focus on Colonel Glenn Grant's answers in the UATV video "Why Is Western Aid to Ukraine ALWAYS Late?". It's quite important to realize that it's not too late at all and more. Yewleea really triggered me, I'll admit. But the Coloner remained rather calm and patient and you could tell... well, watch it.
Thanks for inviting the two gentlemen, a lot of interesting points that need to be heard by everybody both in the West and in Ukraine.
Still, we love democracy? How many referendums were organized in the West to hear the voice of the people before promising to provide military and financial aid to Ukraine "as long as it takes"? Ok, there were some general elections and...the parties cozy to Ruzzia came in strong in many European countries and the US is next. It may not be too late and learn from Grump and pootin how to effectively educate the people but about what matters.
It is never too late. Watch Colonel Glenn Grant's answers in the UATV video "Why Is Western Aid to Ukraine ALWAYS Late?".
@@PandemoniumMeltDown The Ukrainian people should also watch that video but I doubt it has any significant reach in Ukraine.
@@vladimirnovakovic3495 I trust Ukraine is closer than people think to realize what they started at Euromaidan. We have to stop Muscovia from interrupting the process. Think about it, look deep, you'll see. I trust Ukraine, I trust it's people, not all of them, mind you, Trukhanov and his ilk... absolutely not. Lots of issues, but then, look towards our countries, be honest... lots to do there as well. I often see Ukraine in front of issues we lag behind. Lots of honesty will be required, from us!
Todlers, indeed😢
Troll bots farms are a nuisance. I really wish TH-cam and our governments would solve this. I know some idiots like to act like bots... well, I beleive in diversity so I don't discriminate and treat them equally.
Ah yes. Mass surveilance and punishing people for saying the wrong thing will surely make us different from russia. LOL
@@BooleanDisorder I'm sorry I cannot give you what I have. Yet I hope, for your sake, you'll manage to, at least, get close to it in your lifetime.
Jonathan, this is disgusting. They’re experts, right?!
What are you talking about?
The irony is that both guests are affected by the same contagious defeatism. Ukraine has no manpower shortage, otherwise it would mobilize women and men under the age of 27 already. As for an inevitable collapse of Muscovy that they do not see, there is a TH-cam channel named Free Nations League where Jonathan could find plenty of fantastic native speakers standing for independent Tatarstan, Yakutia, Tuva, Buryatia and more.
I get your point -- it's a fine line -- but don't agree.
As the panel said, the war is winnable but we aren't arming Ukraine to win. That's just the reality of the situation we're in.
I also think that talking about Russia's imminent collapse might work against us because it's the last thing that American and German leaders want. They're so afraid of it, in fact, that they won't even allow Ukraine to strike back properly.
The Russian empire has been collapsing for a long time and could continue to do so.
And again, comments disappear.
No, they said that the war is winnable. We simply aren't arming Ukraine to win because major Western powers like the USA or Germany don't want Russia to lose.
How to change that is the question.
True. Ukraine has a shortage of arms, equipment, logistics & ammunition needed to supply the available manpower.
Tuva, Pootler built a single train track section, with media and fanfare inauguration... "with his own hands" he did.
Pointless, like the rest of his reign.
The Ukrainian war is in Europe! It is the Europeans who must support and fund the Ukrainians, not the US. If anything, the EU countries must increase their own budgetary allocations to defence, increase considerably arms manufacturing and stockpiles, increase the size of their armed forces and fund Ukraine to the necessary scale and purchase US made weapons to do so. Russia is not invading Alaska or Texas!
Budapest memorandum look it up. It was a guaranty of US protection that they are failing to met, and are not properly punishing Russia that broke that deal with the US. It is self interest for the US to help Ukraine for their contract to have any more value that the paper they are made up.
ok boomer
$150B/YR? Geez, how are we going to do that?
Go to work, pay your taxes, write to your politicians, make donnations, get involved, raise awareness and do all you can. Easy peasy. I do all this and train to rejoin to the military... times are uncertain. Fear and hiding under my bed is not an option. What do you do to help defeating fascism?
@@PandemoniumMeltDown I am retired & take care of a sick parent 24/7. I donate 1/7th of my pension to Ukraine every month. I am also part of the letter writing campaign to get out the vote in NOV. I also write letters to whitehouse.gov every Monday requesting removal of weapons restrictions. I’m always looking for more I can do.
@@PandemoniumMeltDownyou’re probably talking to one, the comments section is the new street - they’re everywhere trying to demoralize and discourage everyone
@@AllMagasGoToGitmo Hehe... yeah, I know 🥲 Just talking to ones reading it's comment and wondering further, being confused... trolls are good sport.
@@PandemoniumMeltDown the lack of perspective when the combined NATO economies are something like $50Trillion but don’t listen to me, listen to Tim Pool? 🤷♂️
As for Trump, he talks like Milošević, he has gestures like Milošević and the way he protrudes his chin, remind ominously of both Milošević and Benito Mussolini.
The orange menace : (
That's the plan
@@BrianCrooks-iv8lmthe annoying orange menace.
@@ClannCholmain the ghastly annoying orange menace
@@BrianCrooks-iv8lm 👍🥇
Basically an hour of propagandists complaining that their propaganda is not effective enough.
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