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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ม.ค. 2024
- #tennocreate
How about another joke, Murray? What do you get when you cross years of attack speed power creep with a combo system that tries it's hardest to not be a combo system?
The retro footage is from a 2014 warframe video from blindmin: • Warframe melee only run
MY TWITCH: / zachmo_ - เกม
"heavy attack melee builds are finicky" ok me and my arca titron will be upstairs doing 1 biklion damage if you need us
Only a biklion? Rookie numbers, dishonor on you and your family.
@@wellumm8350dishonour on you. Dishonour on your cow. Dishonour on your whole family
@@wellumm8350 it's not great till you realize it's a mf arca titron on voruna with no roar or xatas or nothing
@@inventor4279 it's on voruna, exactly
Is the arca titron good for heavy attacks? I've had mine collecting dust for years after they fixed the crushing ruin glitch that made the slam in the combo not consume charges. I could get more dps than embers back then
My one goal for the longest time was hitting the max melee attack speed possible. I originally achieved this by using Nami Skyla prime with the fastest animation speed stance, all the attack speed mods i could fit on it and then using warcry on valkyr. This was back before auto melee so even though my attack speed was insanely fast, me as a feeble human could not spam my melee button fast enough to keep up with the combo.
After they implemented auto melee, I could hold down the button and my valkyr would contort her body into 7 different dimensions just to hit a corpus for 3 damage every 0.000001 second... I love it.
Before auto melee I bound melee to scroll wheel so I didnt have to develop arthritis
3,000,000 dps does sound good
with a team of dif attack speed buffs that shit absolutely slaps, can barely see the movement
@@Mr-Geist-BongTry the Stropha with attack speed, and bullet dance (how the stance was intended to be played) you will literally not be disappointed. Turns your Warframe into John Wick or some shit lol.
The Prisma Obex with Brutal Tide is such hilarious joy when you ramp up the speed. The ground attack sounds like a lawn mower.
oh man rip channeling
real ones remember the life strike meta
@@Zachmohow dare you reenter that thought into my brain
Rip channeling, the energy economy sucked more then , and has now been solved in your absence
@@Zachmo I use life strike right now haha... Have you seen Tenno-Kai mods? Its an instant heavy attack chance. Made melee a lot of fun imo. Especially if you have a mod that lets you teleport to your target on heavy attack.
Quickening went from "Transmutation fooder" to "Improvement over Primed Fury with an extra bonus" with Melee 3.0 Act1
Its crazy how Warframe evolved from clunky covershooter to borderline omnidirectional flight and instantaneous roomclearing damage options at the press of a button.
I started playing after movement 2.0 came out and sometimes I'll see videos of the game in its earliest stages and I wonder how the hell I've been playing the same game for 8 years and it's even older than that
Nothing says pain like smashing the melee button for an hour during a survival mission.
Or you can just hold it?
I’ve owned warframe for years now and I only found out about holding the button for continuous melee just a week ago.@@The_Geni
Turn on hold melee
Scroll wheel go brrrrr
@@The_Geninew preventative measures for an old wound
I would like to say
You can just use the slide attack to reset the combo so that you can continue to spin
Zenistar taught me this when I was but a wee volt
You can also tap roll(which a sane person would bind to c key) or 5 to restart the combo from operator
you can also do a heavy attack & it'll burn a bit of combo, but will reset it as well
"They, infact, did the same for guns."
If you want a heavy attack build that feels like it has weight but also actually does things. There is the new TennoKai mod that makes every 4th attack create a 'heavy attack opportunity' that doesn't consume Combo, so you can have an attack build that shifts from fast attacks to a consistent set of hits and opportunity heavy attacks.
dreamers wrath is like almost a strict upgrade to that mod, it buffs the tennokai chance to around 25% while aslo making tennokai attacks hit harder lol
as a cleaving whirlwind connoisseur, you dont stop mashing melee button, you do a slide attack after the last spin. So you round off your spin attack with a spin attack to make sure you dont have a pause in your spin attacks.
The last spin also does more damage.
I've spent 75% of my warframe career spinning on things.
My glaive clapping anything in its path: what animation? What speed?
"heavy attack melee builds are finicky"
Meanwhile Kullervo is just standing next to him in the dark while prowler's theme from spiderverse plays.
"So when are you doing the same for guns"
Jade shadows in the corner: 😊
Wait, there is someone who discussed melee in a constructive way? Good to have you back, keep doing what you're doing, your voice is made for this.
The LB button (melee) on my XBOX controller broke and fell out because of Warframe
1:20 actually, rather than wasting your time waiting for it to self reset, you'd spin 3 or 4 times then switch to a different combo to reset, then go back to walking and spinning.
also, I honestly wish they'd put an upper cap, like 1.5x but then take any excess speed you got from other things and turn it into an equivalent multiplier of damage. multiplier, not additive. so like if you had effectively x2 speed on melee but its only allowed to get to x1.5 you'd have a nice 50% damage multi on top of every hit after mods, like roar. Cause I don't think I like looking at melee without it having atleast a little weight behind it.
about 1.5ish is where that starts to break down. or. well... used to break down. but it still breaks down for me cause everything becomes a blur.
Also, it'd be nice if tennokai would pop easier if you used a more higher damage multiplier hit. So a strong 400% hit from a combo had 400% tennokai proc chance.
My personal preference for that combo interrupt was always a slide attack, to keep my Crowd in a nice Controlled state.
5:37
3 months later, great minds really do think alike...
I'm still salty about the swirling tiger stance for dual swords. Went from the best stance to making those melee unusable. Also yeah, I recently used the gram after switching for fists and gunswords for about 2 years and thought I forgot to use fury, turns out it is slower than I remember...
Also welcome back!
Just use Carving Mantis.
Ever since Gram Prime came out, I made a speed build on volt to compensate for its low attack speed. I'm still using the speed build with Gram Prime to this day.
Hate that Swirling Tiger’s old gapcloser doesn’t gapclose as much anymore.
@@eyywannn8601you can slide midway through a lunging gapcloser to get more distance
Wait, what happened to swirling tiger? I still use it and it still feels great on my end
Thanks for reminding me how good the Wargroove soundtrack is with that opening, haven't thought about that for a bit
POG congrats coming back to Warframe. Not a creator myself, but been looking to get back into it. Haven't played since 2015 and kinda excited to see the new environments
The background music makes Warframe so much better, kinda wish they had more music like this or at least swappable sound tracks
Crazy how they are now gonna make full auto available for all guns :D
having auto burst and auto charge being an option or standard would be pretty nice.
ah, the good old days of the zoren copter and binding quick melee to "mousewheel down" on an unlocked scroll wheel xD
“So uh when are you doing the same for guns?” Bro just predicted the future 😭 (Jade Shadows update added an accessibility setting where you can turn semi auto guns to auto firing)
Ho man... Since I started warfame i saw a guy who told me to put my melee on my mouse wheel and 2000h later i still think this is the best way to enjoy melee. I NEVER had to suffer from pain to press E again and again what a joy
You can just set auto melee and hold click
I just enable "use primary fire to melee" then I can hold F to equip my melee weapon and go to town.
Damn, E7 ed as the outro? You got style, I must admit it
Ive just had quick melee mapped to my scroll wheel for years
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i miss my old sparring melee quick attack. doing couple of fast punches that pushed you forward. I dont know if it's still in game.
I had the exact same experience where i felt like my melee builds got "re-unlocked" by the introduction of auto/hold melee. Now I could buff my attack speed to levels far beyond what my pointer finger could do on its own, so on and so forth
So... You know that weirdness which happens when ragdolls clip with themselves and spaz out? Limbs swinging every which direction, spinning in circles, glitching out? Yeah, that's what Warframe melee looks like to me in its current iteration.
Puts warcry on volt with 300% power strength and tempo royale to finally fulfill my dream of becoming a beyblade.
I had my own wild dreams about what Warframe could have done with melee... but alas, what they ended up doing became diametrically-opposed to how I had hoped they would do it.
I had hoped they would:
~ Embrace 'melee as mobility' and give you the option to have 'unarmed' (from the 'Escape' mission type that you get after you get a Zanuka captures you) on every warframe, at all times, so that everyone would always have access to ground slams as a mobility tech; and allow attacking in mid-air with melee to magnetically pull you towards a viable target, juggling them and keeping you upright by burning aimglide duration, whilst also resetting your double and bullet jumps. This would have allowed for them to, hypothetically, add entirely new parkour options by having environmental areas built around the expectation of ground-slams and strike-jump resets. It would have also allowed for a small number of warframes to have unique 'unarmed' weapons similar to how Garuda does (like Excalibur having Skana EX), or some just having mildly different flavours of unmoddable unarmed, like Baruuk using a sparring version, or Valkyr using her hands as if they were claws. Heck, Volt's passive would even have immediately factored into his Unarmed punches, giving them real damage, if tiny.
~ Add roll-attacks as dedicated options for closing distance (what tactical forward combos were *supposed* to be) and rising jump attacks to launch enemies into the air
~ Decouple 'heavy attack' and 'charge attack' by making the latter just a normal move, and the former an augment for any move that would alter its range, activation speed, and power, like how channeling used to be, but based on the combo system instead.
~ Add two new 'stylius' mod slots, one requiring an adapter, that would be based around mods that enhance a specific move or style, IE Killing Blow for charge attacks or Maiming Strike for slide attacks. A mod called 'Blade Continuum' could have easily been a stylius mod for charge attacks that just disables them and enables holding for auto-melee.
~ Build 'heavy attack efficiency' based on number of full combos completed within an unmoddable period of time, with the actual amount gained being modified based on the weapon's attack speed, allowing for slower weapons to still access heavy attacks within a consistent window
~ Add more notable effects to various weapons by modifying their charge attacks, slide attacks, rising attacks, and roll attacks based on weapon type (such as whips pulling enemies struck slightly closer on slide attack, or warfans launching in a cone in front of them), and having heavy attack versions of all of these that enhanced these effects (like whip slide vacuum becoming much stronger)
I feel like all of this would have fit in very well with Warframe's current identity, added a certain layer of depth without going full character action, and in turn I find the Tennokai system and current auto-melee system to be in direct conflict with this ideal.
I still pretend air melee is useful against funny trongles
As someone who just started playing, damn feels bad they scrapped the combo system, that looked soo cool
Oh hey, you're back! Now lets see how long it'll last. :D
welcome back!
Does anyone know what the guy in the thumbnail is from?
Seeing the current warframe craziness (I'm from when Mirage and Mesa normal were new) always is fun to see. That noted... the speed dual ichor melee build in the past was amazing, I also miss the older movement, but that's just because I'm not used to the new movement haha
So all in all, you DID let that milk expire…
I think you could address the issue of melee turning into a brainless blender by changing much of the attack speed buffs to instead echo the attack. That way you are getting the same amount of attacks in, while still having animations that haven't been sped up until they have a total of 3 frames each.
The auto melee feature was a W update for melee especially with the new tennokai mods added
I only very recently learned that you don’t have to mash the melee button on your controller and you can just hold “B” because I mostly ignored the melee system for years in in favor of guns because FutureTech cool despite the gaps between melee weapons and gun be initially very very very massive back in 2017 they then close the a little bit with steel, path in 2019, galvanized mods in 2020 melee nerfs in 2021, and the close the gap even more with the release of the citrines last wish in 2023 ultimately guns and melee are about even now but it used to suck at the only way you could reach level cap in 2017 was with specific frame with a melee and your guns essentially stop working after like a level 4000 but we’re already taking the piss at lv 1000
At least the era of cross map orthos prime death is gone
Just bind quick melee to the scroll wheel man it worked so ez, and automelee has just stopped working for me many times
Orthos prime + primed fury + Primed reach makes a combo monster
Actually the optimal is spins then after do slide atk which spins and resets the spin counter on base movement swig springs on a heavy blade
Before Automelee, I got used to meleeing with the scroll wheel, it´s really comfortable
He’s back, holy shoot!
5:36 "when are you doing the same for guns" they just did xd
Love this style of video, keep up the great work!
Man talked about them uprooting all melee combat and then they announced the status effect rework
Before auto-melee, I didn't really mind the mashing because I use my thumb. On a controller.
Wait till he sees melee arcanes
I really need to get back into this game
Surprised there was no mention of the "no tactical advantage" discussion
"im married to the game" is crazy lol
nice editing
what syandana is that?
Hey, is that a Prex Card with Natah, Erra and Ballas? Is it still available?
I believe it was a tennocon exclusive from back in the day, so probably not, sorry
Man i had spent so much time learning all of valkyrs combos only for them to butcher the feeling
Ah yes, the good old times of mapping melee to mousescroll
Hey Volt was super nice to have when doing raids back in the day! well... Nova usually did most of volts job but hey XD
I've set up a macros on my mouse's extra button for old carpal tunnel melee.
Still haven't gotten around to changing it to something i'd use nowadays. I'm barely using semi-auto guns, so don't feel the need to make that macros.
Oh that's Eureka 7 soundtrack, a gigachad move I see.
Also strange that you update video script, but didn't include Arcanes and Tennokai.
I just want part 3...
I think the tennokai thing alleviates the clunkiness of Heavy Attack melee gameplay. Sure, it's not super complex or anything, but it feels like it adds a small layer of depth to auto-melee, which I like. c:
Honestly they really need to rework melee stances to have more variety and ommph (im looking at you tranquil cleave and decisive judgement), wise razor got butcherd, and vulpine mask just feels like another sword
I think one good solution for each stance to give different heavy atk effects, eg twirling spire have wide slashes in most of its combos so a heavy atk could be a single powerful thurst or a wide sweep atk, im thinking something like jingyuan’s skil
This should've been what Tennokai was, not separate mod slot
Fun fact: Warframe melee broke the keyboard for my laptop once and I had to go and have it replaced, which frankly wad bloody expensive.
But it got to a point where hitting V (I never managed to get used to spamming E in a shooter and I'd rather use it for interacting with things) would either result in no input at all, or double inputs instead.
So, suffice to say, I'm grateful for auto-melee.
Damn for me I use e for melee in all my games, and I use v to crouch and f to interact lol.
E died fore too then it... Healed???? Also mained rev and volt so much my 2 became unresponsive occasionally
can we have your volt build ?
Okay. What about,
Mentor's legacy?
The funniest part of the older melee system was being able to get too much attack speed and skip animations in your combo
So, when is that video on how to farm kuva? :)
What about Tennokai tho?
*RD-D2 death scream*
I just returned to the game, and i was thinking how much i needed to press melee button (especially under buffs), and now i learn they recently added auto melee🎉🎉🎉
God I remember back when I played Warframe, before Meele 2.0. I had a max attack speed buffing volt and a range buffing Orthos riven. I could stay in one place in the middle of the room and wipe all the enemies by spamming quick meele.
I somewhat wish DE will put a cap on attack speed.
Perhaps as an exilus mode instead/alongside of tenno Kai so then those who still want to overcreep attack speed could do so.
As a Excal main, never had a issue with the button mashing
Started warframe on ps4' I swear my pointer finger still has calisist on the right side of my finger from spamming melee
Holding E to melee literally doubled my melee speed as Redline Gauss w/ Praedos
I still don't have automelee active. I have a mouse that makes my scrollwheel spin like crazy and having that bound to my melee. I have that spin and whenever I see the tennokai system I press the button and spin it again
Sounds like a fun mini game
Pointless, save for stylishness. And since we're all Warframe players here...
Set the melee to the mouse wheel.
Profit.
Ngl I started playing the game this monday just to grab the worst starter then see speed mods everywhere lol
Even before abyss of dagath, a lot of people just linked melee to scroll wheel down to not mess up their hands, not exactly great tbh
I would like to see melee receive more advanced systems that players can use to make it more engaging. Tenno Kai is the first of what I hope several implementations to make melee more engaging imo.
Why do you use fury instead of berserk
Tennokai my beloved
I got used to it was like getting used to OG cod zombies trigger finger just new level but auto melee is nice
i remember using mele A LOT bfr the changes to combos, now the only melee i use is the stropha, yeah... a "melee" it would be real nice if this got me into melee again but tbh i dont think so lol
In conclusion... Warframe melee combat: E
I miss channeling
I miss the old tempo royale
wait stances do things other than just increase my mod cap. bullsht XD
the auto melee clicker has a cps cap so e mashing is still alive
Does the same thing for guns
You guys might not miss it, but I miss channeling if I can’t get it back in base game with every single Melee possible I want it with a new type of Melee system that combines our stupid useless arch wing melees like big ass buster blades that took energy to use ,energy consumption would probably just give you wider swings with longer range, and a slight speed increase
Why is the outro corrido 😂
im in pain
the music on the transition slides was way too loud