This is something I thought you guys might want to know about to make it easier. I bought the 998c after watching Jack's video. It's an excellent video because it gives you exactly how to set up the keys. Two things: first, since the cutters and tracers are not labeled, you will need to use a dial calipers to measure the outside diameters and find the matching cutter and tracer. Second, I note that there is mention of a Honda shim kit so that you can set the height of the keys quickly in the jaw clamps. I could not find the shim kit but there is an alternate method using ¼” wide feeler gauges. ¼” wide feeler gauges are hard to find but the Craftsman 40801 feeler gauge which contains the ¼” feeler gauges you will need for about $10-$12. Why 1/4"? Because ½” is too wide, and ¼” is just a little narrower than the Honda key blade so they are perfectly sized. I use the 0.030 blade to give the perfect shim height for Honda keys. If you need a little more height, combine the .017 and 0.14 blades to give you a .031 shim, etc....you get the idea. Extra note: Also as some of you may find, the jaws and table on the 998c may not be completely level from front to back, so when you try to scribe the key as Jack demonstrated, it is not very easy to level the key and get a consistent scratch from front to back. I was thinking of shimming the entire table but I didn’t want to go through the trouble. When you use the shim I mention, you still have the same problem. Here's the trick, use two feeler blades, say .016 and .014 and place a small piece of cardboard (use as a shim stock) between the blades. If the table slopes down toward the front, place the cardboard shim between the blades at the front of the clamp which will lift the front up a little. I got perfect levels doing this. I hope this helps you guys….
Thank you guys so so very much you know a lot of people would have just let you learn or not put any input to help another person along the way in this as well as in life in general and you guys did more than that and for that i say THANK Y'ALL. From the bottom of my heart its so great to see another human being being kind and helpful to another for nothing in return but just wanting to help and that you guys did again Thank y'all for y'all's kindness and tips May GOD&JESUS Bless you and yours all the love from Texas-K.
Please reply back I'm waiting for perches! Those key cutting machines have small and bigger witch one is it please? I've just done my research, 1 of them wight 8,5kg cost £118. while the other one name DEFU 998c wight 15,kg cost £433.
I own an Accord (2012) & #3, E-39's. YOU SIR; DESERVE A MEDAL!!! I can (@current day) Purchase this, delivered, for less than the cost of 2 BMW's done by a private locksmith (approx. $75 to cut; Programming is another matter! ($30 on Amazon + some knowledge, $6 on wish for a blank, this machine & I'm already ahead of what the Stealership charges for 1 single E-39 bought, cut & programmed! Figure help a few ppl. Out in my local car club & I may pay for a few oil changes once all is said & done! TY again for posting this & giving me the confidence to purchase what looked almost to good to be true!!!! I appreciate you my fellow Bimmer enthusiast!
Great video! I have a JMA NEO, which is identical to that. It was 1,100. All key companies make manual high security key cutters. JMA, Xhorse, Silca, and a few others. Instead of automated, I like that there are fewer moving parts on manual cutters. You really earned your money on that cut! Honda security keys are difficult.
I'm looking into buying this machine. I have blanks and i can't seem to find anyone to cut my transponder keys or cut me a door key off of a transponder key. They either want to sell me their keys or look at me like I'm a criminal. I was a mechanic and programmed 1000's of key and i got a computer to program keys and wanted to help friends and family out with this service. I just want someone to cut the dang key 😂 i think I'm just going to buy this and that will be one more service i can charge for. I wish i could find someone to cut them but after this video I'm 90% sure I'm ordering this very soon. New sub here. Loving the content
I'm looking at these machines too for similar reasons, but before that, I considered getting the "Honest Dong Shi" key mould set. Seems like you could make the profile you need on it, then just bring it to a Wally World or Home De Pot to have it duplicated. Haven't tried it, but if they'll operate a lock, they should be good to trace as well (?). Why would you want to cut a door key with no transponder, tho? That _would_ seem suspect, at least to strangers.
@@fun_ghoul you are right about that. See i have two keys for the car. One opens door and other for the ignition. I finally got Walmart to cut it for me i had to take in my tittle to have it done and the manager had to approve it. I now have two key machines and a programmer too. When i cut and program two more keys all if that equipment will be paid for!
@@whocares4464 Yeah, I hear ya. I sell ECM "sets" on eBay with matched immobilizer and uncut "pod" key(s) with OEM-programmed transponder, so people don't have to change their locks or carry two keys. They just cut the key I send to match their existing one, and away they go. Sadly for me, I underestimated how much of that business was due to the lock cylinder rather than ECM failure, loss of keys or transponder failure.
@@KE8ODY-WV-Ares-Ham-Dad-3O4 not anymore. Went to get my Honda key cut. They wanted to charge $200 and I had to buy their key. They wouldn’t cut the key I bought on Amazon for $12. I don’t need it programmed! I have the old key and would put the programmed guts into the new key body! Kills me that no one will just cut my dang key for me for a reasonable price.
Just ordered a 368A last week received it today Monday. Looking forward to using it. I knew nothing about this type of machine. I am not a locksmith. I know a little bit more now thanks to your excellent video. Came back to edit my post from yesterday being I received my machine this afternoon and I am getting acquainted with it. Directions aren't the best but I believe I will learn its benefits.
Thanks for the information, the price locksmith are charging for making a duplicate of these keys-- an arm and a leg, I can buy my own key cutting machine.
I have 3 Acura keys one to practice on and 2 that I need cut. The practice one looked like I cut it using my teeth. I ruined it so bad I was scared to cut the other 2. Your video was very helpful and I’m confident enough to cut the other 2 , thank you…
Excellent video, I got rid of this machine, I couldn't figure out the depth setup, latter I come to find out that they make shims that are meant to be placed under the key for depth. One's more Thank You, Excellent Video.
Tried it out for the first time tonight doing a GM Switch Blade key blank. Went through both sides. Created a fork. lol. Made some adjustments. 2nd key seems to be made well. Will try it out in the morning. Could not understand the directions that came with the machine from the factory to set the bit and follower properly. Well I had to eat one. DIdn't taste too good. Add on: 2nd key works like the factory original. Great cut to it.
ffas23 took me a couple wasted keys in the beginning. Good thing is you learn really quickly what not to do lol. In my opinion for the price you can't beat it. I can make keys that work great pretty much every time now.
+jack meyers What is difference between the 368 defu and the 998c defu?? Which one should I buy to cut this kind of Honda key? Also someone mentioned needing a shim for the 368 defu, is that true?
seen those and always wondered if i should get one,seems like a real nice to for the price cant wait to get on,it will find a nice spot next to my foley belsaw duplicater,always looking for affordable tools,keep the vids comming.
Thanks a lot, would've been in trouble without this video, that height tip saved my key copies and I wouldve had to order a new set if you didn't make this!
What is the difference in the 338 vs the 998 machines ? I have been trying to find a DEFINITE comparison, but it doesn't seem to exist. I read in one place the the 998 was BIGGER, and more powerful. I also notice that it seems to have the micro-adjust dial where the 338 does not.. but I am not certain people are posting the correct pictures / specs. Can you shed any light ? THANKS!
So this may be a stupid question, but why would you raise the blank key when you have the adjustment wheel on the tracer? Would it not make more sense to run the cutting bit down to touch the blank and then adjust the wheel for the tracer to contact original so you can leave the blank seated all the way into the grip?
Does not the 998c have height adjustment on the tracer? I know the cheaper one does not. Any shim could work on blank, use + - dial to calibrate. Thanks for the info on this machine. I am much closer to ordering one now. I can tell yours has some time on it.
Hi. Very helpful video. Thank you. Wanted to see if you can help me on something. I purchased the 368A Chinese key cutting machine. I cut the first laser key and everything worked great. On the second key, the belt in the upper housing that connects the motor to the spindle became very frayed and quit working. When the product was delivered I had to tighten the motor down, tighten belt, etc. Any suggestions on this? Did you have a problem with the belt? Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.
Next time all u need to do is align the bit on the cut section on the key . So u get the right depth. Its just a thought never used this machine before..
I am looking to purchase the 998C Lazer key ctting machine for a good price but not sure who to buy from ? any other locksmiths know the best contact ? i like whar i see.
Whoever has the cheapest one on Aliexpress, that's the one to buy. Also, as Jack said, you can save some cash if you buy the machine with no adjustment for the tracer side.
Hello thanks for your great videos i have a question where can i buy one like this machine I’ve been looking but i only see the 368 model is there a difference on both thanks or can you tell me if there is another one i can buy i want learn thanks again
Just bought a 998c as a backup to my 2m2 magic tank. See the handle on the left for moving the key clamp away from you and towards you,does yours feel notchy?If you move it slowly do you feel little notches every 1cm or so,or is yours smooth?thanks.
Ortega32 most laser cut keys can be done with the 2mm bit. That's pretty much the standard. Some bits might be for dimple keys. The 1.5mm bits are a good standard as well but take longer to cut. Make sure the tracer you use matches the bit. For instance 2mm tracer with a 2mm bit otherwise cut will be off.
Having problems finding the clamp accessory that lets you cut regular house keys and wafer lock auto keys. Trying to avoid buying both types of machine.. Any idea?
Great video don't listen to the trolls...I'm looking just to trace high security auto keys. Do you use the 1mm drill and tracer? Or the 2mm drill and tracer?
thanks for upload this video Mr Jack , i have little confusing question , does this keyless accept programing on honda accord exported from japan to KSA , Or its specific programing for honda accord exported to USA, Because i'm plan to buy one from amazon store , my original keyless accord 2007 coming without red panic button .
jack! informative video...im buying this machine, BUT comparing it to the HUDSON 339c that it copies...the Hudson has an adapter to fit in the vise that lets it do other key that need cut on the side....do you know where or how to get these adapters...I want this machine but only if I can get those vise adapters so I can do other keys...thanks
Hey thanks for the informative video. Can you make a new one so we can the machine working , only cause you keep lowering the camera when it's cutting Lol.
Excellent Video, Im just looking at buying one of these. What is the difference between the 998c and the 368? is it just the adjuster on the trace side?
@@user1207xi just checked and the black jaws are the ones you use for tubular key coping.Look up "339c training Video" and similar machine will show you how.
i actually use to cut keys by code with this machine, use to get those keys with engraved measurements from china, but eventually you need a good machine, the problems start if the key your copying from is a little off...
Hi friend, I’m from Serbia. I would like to buy a machine for cutting keys like your video. if you can send me a link where you bought it, I would be very grateful. Thank you.
Please reply back I'm waiting for perches! Those key cutting machines have small and bigger witch one is it please? I've just done my research, 1 of them wight 8,5kg cost £118. while the other one name DEFU 998c wight 15,kg cost £433.
@@grahamebelton9832 Search on Aliexpress, but don't bother using the word "Tibbe". I forget what they call it on there; maybe just search "Jaguar..." or "Ford key machine adapter". No clue if they work worth a fuck, but they're out there anyway. Cheers.
I've got this machine but the lever/joystick which moves left to right does not move smoothly. You have to use a lot of pressure on it. The manufacturer/supplier claimed it should be like this. Anyone got any idea?
@@footage6402 The only meaningful difference I've perceived in any of them is the presence or absence of a dial to calibrate the stylus depth without having to undo it, and if the price difference is a lot, I'd live without it.
@@fun_ghoul ahh okay so is the 368 good enough for this key type? it's the only one available for me on ebay that's why and not the 998. Also do you know if I need a shim or not for this kind of honda key?
AQUÍ EN MÉXICO SOLO LE PONEMOS UNAS LAINAS POR DEBAJO DE LAS LLAVES, Y QUEDA EXACTO ESE TRABAJO ASÍ SE VE SUCIO, POR QUE LA LLAVE ORIGINAL QUEDA TODA RAYADA NO ES CRITICA, ES UN COMENTARIO CONSTRUCTIVO.
Milton Hernandez it depends on the radii in the key. You can check them with the tracer. Or check them with a radius gauge. So if the tracer or radius gauge 'indicates'/fits a 1,5 or 2 mm radius that is the cutter (or bit) you'll choose to mill the new key.
@@footage6402 'Some machines come with different tracers'. Those are the small pins or fingers wich are used to follow the groove. And they sometimes come in different sizes. If u got one that fits perfectly in the groove you actually should/could be able to look up what size this traces is. It is engraved on the traces/pin itself from factory.
You can’t…well you not cheaply. For a car you would need the vin the number, then you would need a multi thousand dollar machine that can cut it off your vin alone or you would need to be a locksmith with access to software to get your key cut information.
For a house key, or some car keys you need to use a tool, like the Lishi Tools. You get the depths of the cuts and then use a guide to cut a blank key, still going to cost you $500 more/less, and that’s if your vehicle key is available from lishi tools
i think it would help to clean the clamps, remove the metal that's lying everywhere...It might help positioning a small strong magnet(neodymium) near each clamp. You will have a lot less metal splinters flying around. Regards
transponder in the key has to match the code in the immobilizer. on some cars you can program with a simple sequence like putting the original in, turning to on position for X seconds, then off and put the new one in and turn to on for X seconds and it writes the code. On some cars you have to hook up a dealer level scantool to run the key programming sequence from the ECU. And on more annoying cars, like my BMW, you have to take the EWS module out from under the dash, take the circuit board out of the box and hook a plug on it from a programmer box and use your computer to write the key values to the key and the EWS module at the same time... fun stuff. in the last case, its cheaper to buy one of these key cutters, and the programmer, and do it yourself than it is to take it to someone and get key copies made... which is why im here watching this video. haha.
The key FOB's need to be programmed for two different things. See jimthecarguy TH-cam video called How To Program A New Key For A Honda Accord He uses a $104 scanner.
@@jackmeyers2911 Hi, Does car key length, metal part, for example for Honda key, of a blank key has to exactly match the original key length? A blank key length is a bit shorter but I don't think it is matter. I am kind of new to this.
@@jackmeyers2911 Hi again, On my Key Cutting Machine Model 368A which looks similar to yours, left vise jaw, where a blank key is mounted, started to shift to the left so my alignment is off. Is there a way to readjust it, loosening some screws maybe?
Hi, I have the 368 and anytime i try to cut the Honda like in video or Ford flat blade the cutter and tracer is always touching or getting in the way of the jaws (stock) any suggestions?
Blair Middleton you need to shim the keys up. I went on Amazon and bought two 1/4 feeler gauges for $11. I put shims under the original key until the deepest part of the key sits flush with the clamp. Match the same amount of shims from the second feeler gauge set and put them under the new key. It's a little difficult to understand without seeing it so I try to post a video explaining it asap.
Blair Middleton you know I always wondered that. I bought the sec-e9 automatic cnc cutter and on Honda keys it starts at the tip and others on the side against the clamp so I'm not sure where is best.I'll have to look into what's reccomended. I'm sure you're correct though. It makes sense.
You probably figured this out by now.... The cutting tool is an end mill. It can cut sideways unlike a drill. As the end mill rotates each flute (or tooth) should shave off only a very small chip. The chip is really just a very, very thin sliver of the metal. The thickness of the chip should be about 1/4 the thickness of an ordinary piece of paper. That's about .001 inch thick or less, no more! Try to gently blow the chips away as they are being cut. You don't want to recut chips over and over again. A slow, steady pace is the best. If the bit tends to pull itself into the work, look up climb milling vs conventional milling.
Mechanic and skills i am sorry for the late reply. Pretty easy. They are all over ebay. Of corse they are cheap bits but they work. Id rather buy a 20 pack of cheaper bits for $35 then one expensive one. I bought a keyline 994 laser machine and the bits are $169 each. The other day i didn't secure the clamp all the way and it snapped the carbide bit in an instant. $170 for a silly mistake is outrageous.
great point losing 170 bucks is as fun as losing a 35 dollar automotive socket. Thanks for the feedback. i enjoyed your video . well done . fantastic job .
You can buy the 998C thru Aliexpress. I bought one on there that was from XCAN but it and DEFU are all the same chinese product. The 998C is more powerful than the 339C and the 368 versions etc... The ESP-HPC 339C is the same chinese model as the DEFU 339C and XCAN 339C...
Aaron Gilliam I made this video a long time ago and was In a hurry. I'm going to remake one tomorrow showing every part of cutting multiple keys with the camera on a tripod. My apologies for this one.
@@abuu1 sorry man. I wish i had more free time to dedicate to this channel. I'm trying to ad content in my free time. 5 daughters and 10 hour work days makes it tough. I don't use this machine much but I just took it out of the van and have it on my test bench. I have everything set up to cut and make a much better video covering it coming very soon. Its actually a good machine . I use the high dollar ones ive bought daily now for speed and code cutting purposes but I didn't abandon this one . I'm going to make some bmw , honda and a lexus key tomorrow with it.
Brett Wells yea not sure if you have one of these machines or not but the honda keys drop below the deck of the clamp. You can set the depth if you buy the honda mounting shim kit that actually holds the key above the clamp but that's not made by them and it's $143. If you have ever made a honda key on this low budget machine you would know exactly what i mean. Try dropping the keys in the machine next time. Set your depth and let me know how it works out. I made probably a couple hundred honda keys on this machine this way before i bought my keyline ninja laser and they all worked except the first few i dropped in and "set the depth". It doesnt work like that for this particular key. Lol
ok my bad, i understand what you mean... i use a Twister II, but I'm going on my own soon and i wanted to invest in one of these, can you send me a link for honda shim kit?
Hey jack I’m just getting into cutting now I bought the Autel 508 and want to buy a key cutting machine, do you still recommend this one? Which number cutter do you reccomend for Honda keys
Use the largest diameter cutting tool that will fit into the smallest radius on the key you are copying. Use the tracing tool bit to see if it will do the job. For example, if you are trying to cut a Honda Fit key with a 3mm diameter cutting tool. Try to trace out the cuts on the original key using the 3mm diameter tracing tool as if it were the cutting tool. If the tracing tool reaches into all the small radii on the original, then the cutting tool will do it as well. The tracing tool and cutting tool should always be the same diameter when cutting. If the tool cannot get all the way into the corners then use a smaller diameter tool. You want to use the largest diameter tool that you can because it will chatter less. Chatter ruins the finish and breaks the cutting tool. These cutters are just end mills used by machinist every day. A couple drops of WD-40 will help the tool last longer as well. Keep brushing or blowing the chips away as you cut. Re-cutting the same chips over and over will wear the bit faster, and decrease the quality of the surface finish. The goal is to push the key into the end mill such that each flute on the cutter shaves off about .0005 inch on each revolution that is spins. .0005 inch is like 1/8 the thickness of a piece of paper. Push slower and steady rather than faster and jerky. Start from the outside and work your way in. Don't make full radial depth of cuts, especially with the thinner cutting tools. You will be more likely to break them. Expect razor sharp edges where you have cut.
I believe you are talking about your Remote. Most vehicles have the information in the cars owners manual. If you don't have a owners manual you can find it online and get the info from there.
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This is something I thought you guys might want to know about to make it easier. I bought the 998c after watching Jack's video. It's an excellent video because it gives you exactly how to set up the keys. Two things: first, since the cutters and tracers are not labeled, you will need to use a dial calipers to measure the outside diameters and find the matching cutter and tracer. Second, I note that there is mention of a Honda shim kit so that you can set the height of the keys quickly in the jaw clamps. I could not find the shim kit but there is an alternate method using ¼” wide feeler gauges. ¼” wide feeler gauges are hard to find but the Craftsman 40801 feeler gauge which contains the ¼” feeler gauges you will need for about $10-$12. Why 1/4"? Because ½” is too wide, and ¼” is just a little narrower than the Honda key blade so they are perfectly sized. I use the 0.030 blade to give the perfect shim height for Honda keys. If you need a little more height, combine the .017 and 0.14 blades to give you a .031 shim, etc....you get the idea.
Extra note: Also as some of you may find, the jaws and table on the 998c may not be completely level from front to back, so when you try to scribe the key as Jack demonstrated, it is not very easy to level the key and get a consistent scratch from front to back. I was thinking of shimming the entire table but I didn’t want to go through the trouble. When you use the shim I mention, you still have the same problem. Here's the trick, use two feeler blades, say .016 and .014 and place a small piece of cardboard (use as a shim stock) between the blades. If the table slopes down toward the front, place the cardboard shim between the blades at the front of the clamp which will lift the front up a little. I got perfect levels doing this.
I hope this helps you guys….
Forgot to add...I use the .014 and .016 together to shim the cutter side and the .013 and .017 to shim the tracer side.
Cut a strip off a gift card it works also
Thank you guys so so very much you know a lot of people would have just let you learn or not put any input to help another person along the way in this as well as in life in general and you guys did more than that and for that i say THANK Y'ALL. From the bottom of my heart its so great to see another human being being kind and helpful to another for nothing in return but just wanting to help and that you guys did again Thank y'all for y'all's kindness and tips May GOD&JESUS Bless you and yours all the love from Texas-K.
I really need the link to buy it please
Please reply back I'm waiting for perches!
Those key cutting machines have small and bigger witch one is it please?
I've just done my research,
1 of them wight 8,5kg cost £118.
while the other one name DEFU 998c wight 15,kg cost £433.
I own an Accord (2012) & #3, E-39's. YOU SIR; DESERVE A MEDAL!!! I can (@current day) Purchase this, delivered, for less than the cost of 2 BMW's done by a private locksmith (approx. $75 to cut; Programming is another matter! ($30 on Amazon + some knowledge, $6 on wish for a blank, this machine & I'm already ahead of what the Stealership charges for 1 single E-39 bought, cut & programmed! Figure help a few ppl. Out in my local car club & I may pay for a few oil changes once all is said & done! TY again for posting this & giving me the confidence to purchase what looked almost to good to be true!!!! I appreciate you my fellow Bimmer enthusiast!
Great video! I have a JMA NEO, which is identical to that. It was 1,100. All key companies make manual high security key cutters. JMA, Xhorse, Silca, and a few others. Instead of automated, I like that there are fewer moving parts on manual cutters. You really earned your money on that cut! Honda security keys are difficult.
I'm looking into buying this machine. I have blanks and i can't seem to find anyone to cut my transponder keys or cut me a door key off of a transponder key. They either want to sell me their keys or look at me like I'm a criminal. I was a mechanic and programmed 1000's of key and i got a computer to program keys and wanted to help friends and family out with this service. I just want someone to cut the dang key 😂 i think I'm just going to buy this and that will be one more service i can charge for. I wish i could find someone to cut them but after this video I'm 90% sure I'm ordering this very soon. New sub here. Loving the content
I'm looking at these machines too for similar reasons, but before that, I considered getting the "Honest Dong Shi" key mould set. Seems like you could make the profile you need on it, then just bring it to a Wally World or Home De Pot to have it duplicated. Haven't tried it, but if they'll operate a lock, they should be good to trace as well (?).
Why would you want to cut a door key with no transponder, tho? That _would_ seem suspect, at least to strangers.
@@fun_ghoul you are right about that. See i have two keys for the car. One opens door and other for the ignition. I finally got Walmart to cut it for me i had to take in my tittle to have it done and the manager had to approve it. I now have two key machines and a programmer too. When i cut and program two more keys all if that equipment will be paid for!
@@whocares4464 Yeah, I hear ya. I sell ECM "sets" on eBay with matched immobilizer and uncut "pod" key(s) with OEM-programmed transponder, so people don't have to change their locks or carry two keys. They just cut the key I send to match their existing one, and away they go. Sadly for me, I underestimated how much of that business was due to the lock cylinder rather than ECM failure, loss of keys or transponder failure.
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@@KE8ODY-WV-Ares-Ham-Dad-3O4 not anymore. Went to get my Honda key cut. They wanted to charge $200 and I had to buy their key. They wouldn’t cut the key I bought on Amazon for $12. I don’t need it programmed! I have the old key and would put the programmed guts into the new key body! Kills me that no one will just cut my dang key for me for a reasonable price.
Just ordered a 368A last week received it today Monday. Looking forward to using it. I knew nothing about this type of machine. I am not a locksmith. I know a little bit more now thanks to your excellent video. Came back to edit my post from yesterday being I received my machine this afternoon and I am getting acquainted with it. Directions aren't the best but I believe I will learn its benefits.
Is this for laser cut too? How did it go?
Can we get a follow up on your experience with this machine?
ffas23 + did it work?
Thanks for the information, the price locksmith are charging for making a duplicate of these keys-- an arm and a leg, I can buy my own key cutting machine.
I have 3 Acura keys one to practice on and 2 that I need cut. The practice one looked like I cut it using my teeth. I ruined it so bad I was scared to cut the other 2. Your video was very helpful and I’m confident enough to cut the other 2 , thank you…
Hi
Excellent video, I got rid of this machine, I couldn't figure out the depth setup, latter I come to find out that they make shims that are meant to be placed under the key for depth.
One's more Thank You, Excellent Video.
Where can we find shims - have a link?
@@jamescc2010 Old credit cards should do.
@@hwingerrr5680 What do I do with the old credit card? I'm confused by what people mean
@@footage6402 cut and use as shim
Great video, I would've loved to see it
Thanks Jack!!! Just got the 998C and I am really liking it. Your video really helps a lot.
Tried it out for the first time tonight doing a GM Switch Blade key blank. Went through both sides. Created a fork. lol. Made some adjustments. 2nd key seems to be made well. Will try it out in the morning. Could not understand the directions that came with the machine from the factory to set the bit and follower properly. Well I had to eat one. DIdn't taste too good. Add on: 2nd key works like the factory original. Great cut to it.
ffas23 took me a couple wasted keys in the beginning. Good thing is you learn really quickly what not to do lol. In my opinion for the price you can't beat it. I can make keys that work great pretty much every time now.
on the bits did you use a 2mm drill and tracer? Or a 1mm drill and tracer?
to my friends.
1. find a waste credit card.
2. cut strip to size narrower than key.
3. put under two keys.
4. easy job for future cut.
Tx All for pro advice, what is for ? Just to rise it up?
1. cut a credit card.
2. rise the key up.
3. if the key is worned out. need make 2 levels paper in the front side of key.
@@mario17-t34 rise it up. and easy to cut.
@@althiqahkeycopying7504 Can you make a video for this? That will be nice. I just got a new machine like this one.
Please get a desk top tripod to mount the camera, will stop the jerking and allow us to watch the machine cut. Thank you.
picking one of these up as a backup to my mobile key van.
Jack you are an artist
I like these machines and i would like to have mine with a training on how to cut keys
+jack meyers What is difference between the 368 defu and the 998c defu?? Which one should I buy to cut this kind of Honda key? Also someone mentioned needing a shim for the 368 defu, is that true?
Jack, this is a great video! It actually inspired me and opened some new roads for me! Thank YOu!
seen those and always wondered if i should get one,seems like a real nice to for the price cant wait to get on,it will find a nice spot next to my foley belsaw duplicater,always looking for affordable tools,keep the vids comming.
There are Belsaw machines around still? lol.
Thanks a lot, would've been in trouble without this video, that height tip saved my key copies and I wouldve had to order a new set if you didn't make this!
What is the difference in the 338 vs the 998 machines ? I have been trying to find a DEFINITE comparison, but it doesn't seem to exist. I read in one place the the 998 was BIGGER, and more powerful. I also notice that it seems to have the micro-adjust dial where the 338 does not.. but I am not certain people are posting the correct pictures / specs. Can you shed any light ? THANKS!
Did you find out if there was a difference between the 338 vs the 998?
The price
Great video man, I see this same machine on Amazon on sale.
What size bit are you using for this cut? Have you tried toyota high security keys with this machine?
So this may be a stupid question, but why would you raise the blank key when you have the adjustment wheel on the tracer?
Would it not make more sense to run the cutting bit down to touch the blank and then adjust the wheel for the tracer to contact original so you can leave the blank seated all the way into the grip?
Hmm...
...Thanks!
Does not the 998c have height adjustment on the tracer? I know the cheaper one does not. Any shim could work on blank, use + - dial to calibrate. Thanks for the info on this machine. I am much closer to ordering one now. I can tell yours has some time on it.
Keep it clean bro
Hi. Very helpful video. Thank you. Wanted to see if you can help me on something. I purchased the 368A Chinese key cutting machine. I cut the first laser key and everything worked great. On the second key, the belt in the upper housing that connects the motor to the spindle became very frayed and quit working. When the product was delivered I had to tighten the motor down, tighten belt, etc. Any suggestions on this? Did you have a problem with the belt? Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.
Next time all u need to do is align the bit on the cut section on the key . So u get the right depth. Its just a thought never used this machine before..
Hmm...
...Thanks!
*Does anyone know what the flat bar located between the two key mounting blocks, that rotates & has a Hex key bolt securing it is used for?*
I am looking to purchase the 998C Lazer key ctting machine for a good price but not sure who to buy from ? any other locksmiths know the best contact ? i like whar i see.
Whoever has the cheapest one on Aliexpress, that's the one to buy. Also, as Jack said, you can save some cash if you buy the machine with no adjustment for the tracer side.
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Awesome video there I was thinking of getting one of these key cutters, very useful information thank you 👍✌🏻
What are u using to program ??
Hello thanks for your great videos i have a question where can i buy one like this machine I’ve been looking but i only see the 368 model is there a difference on both thanks or can you tell me if there is another one i can buy i want learn thanks again
Great video. What are the diameters of the drill and the tracer used here? Is it 2mm? or 3mm?
Thanks. 2mm
GREAT VID FOR NOOBS LIKE ME MAN, THANKS
Just bought a 998c as a backup to my 2m2 magic tank.
See the handle on the left for moving the key clamp away from you and towards you,does yours feel notchy?If you move it slowly do you feel little notches every 1cm or so,or is yours smooth?thanks.
Well sir it’s u cut the blade only , is there electrons key? How u transfer data anyway thanks nice tutorials
Thank you sir!
I got one with 9 drill bits, one that’s already on the machine and 8 in a container. They’re all different. What drill bit belongs to what key?
Ortega32 most laser cut keys can be done with the 2mm bit. That's pretty much the standard. Some bits might be for dimple keys. The 1.5mm bits are a good standard as well but take longer to cut. Make sure the tracer you use matches the bit. For instance 2mm tracer with a 2mm bit otherwise cut will be off.
I felt like I had just watched Blair Witch Project. Get a tripod dude!
How else will be make haunted keys?
Which tracer probe size do you use with which cutter size in this video?
Having problems finding the clamp accessory that lets you cut regular house keys and wafer lock auto keys. Trying to avoid buying both types of machine.. Any idea?
very nice one we need more of it .
Great video don't listen to the trolls...I'm looking just to trace high security auto keys. Do you use the 1mm drill and tracer? Or the 2mm drill and tracer?
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I wouldn't think it would matter unless making internal cut
thanks for upload this video Mr Jack , i have little confusing question , does this keyless accept programing on honda accord exported from japan to KSA , Or its specific programing for honda accord exported to USA, Because i'm plan to buy one from amazon store , my original keyless accord 2007 coming without red panic button .
Hi Jack. Can this machine cut keys for all makes of cars?
Thanks!
Ben
jack! informative video...im buying this machine, BUT comparing it to the HUDSON 339c that it copies...the Hudson has an adapter to fit in the vise that lets it do other key that need cut on the side....do you know where or how to get these adapters...I want this machine but only if I can get those vise adapters so I can do other keys...thanks
Good question
can you make Audi Q5 keys too? and how much do you charge?
Have you found better clamps for the bottom to hold Audi/vw keys? Your is a bit different model but min is a pain
Hey thanks for the informative video. Can you make a new one so we can the machine working , only cause you keep lowering the camera when it's cutting Lol.
What vise adapter is needed for VW keys?
Are you able to cut these style honda keys with your 368a and if so is the process much different from this model?
Same shit.
will this machine duplicate a 2008 Lexus key blank ?
Excellent Video, Im just looking at buying one of these. What is the difference between the 998c and the 368? is it just the adjuster on the trace side?
The 998c machine can cut tubular type of keys also and the 368c doesn't.
@@frankmata1812 Are there special jaws for tubular keys?
@@frankmata1812 I mean - jaws for keep tubular chicago keys ... Or there is a circle tubular key insertion hole ?
@@user1207xi just checked and the black jaws are the ones you use for tubular key coping.Look up "339c training Video" and similar machine will show you how.
@@frankmata1812 Ok. Thanks a lot. I have ordered 998c... It will be my support to cut key. Even Futura silca does not cut all key I would.
i actually use to cut keys by code with this machine, use to get those keys with engraved measurements from china, but eventually you need a good machine, the problems start if the key your copying from is a little off...
Every duplicator will fuck up a copy if your original is fucked up, regardless of price.
Hey there ?
What the difference between 998 and 368 aprt from the price
I have 2004 Mini Cooper I lost all my keys . I bought a key from eBay and I bought this machine also . I don’t know what to do now ? Please help .
what's the bit size you are using in this video?
I wonder as well
@@footage6402 he wrote 2mm in other replies
Can this machine cut new standalone key or only duplicate another key?
Hi friend, I’m from Serbia. I would like to buy a machine for cutting keys like your video. if you can send me a link where you bought it, I would be very grateful. Thank you.
Aliexpress
Please reply back I'm waiting for perches!
Those key cutting machines have small and bigger witch one is it please?
I've just done my research,
1 of them wight 8,5kg cost £118.
while the other one name DEFU 998c wight 15,kg cost £433.
Can we cut any kind of key with this machine?
will it cut Jaguar round keys? I think they're call Tebbe keys or something like that
grahame belton they do make am adapter to do them. It didn't come with the machine though.
How do you get hold of them?
@@grahamebelton9832 Search on Aliexpress, but don't bother using the word "Tibbe". I forget what they call it on there; maybe just search "Jaguar..." or "Ford key machine adapter". No clue if they work worth a fuck, but they're out there anyway. Cheers.
I've got this machine but the lever/joystick which moves left to right does not move smoothly. You have to use a lot of pressure on it. The manufacturer/supplier claimed it should be like this.
Anyone got any idea?
Good evening my young man will the 368A Duplicate the High Security Honda Key
Yes. The 368 and 339 are essentially the same machine as the 998.
@@fun_ghoul Then why is the 998c more expensive than the 368?
@@footage6402 The only meaningful difference I've perceived in any of them is the presence or absence of a dial to calibrate the stylus depth without having to undo it, and if the price difference is a lot, I'd live without it.
@@fun_ghoul ahh okay so is the 368 good enough for this key type? it's the only one available for me on ebay that's why and not the 998. Also do you know if I need a shim or not for this kind of honda key?
@@footage6402 This Hudson Lock video specifically mentions shimming Honda HS keys...
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What tool are you using to program the immobilizer? So many fakes out there i hate to get a cheapy.
CJ Hoffecker I use a combination of the autel 906bt and factory tools
. The skp900 is cheap and does a petty good job.
Thank you sir! Im trying to do some honda keys as well.
Can this do mercedes and bmw e90 keys
How do you find out which key cutter to use for the Honda key? Are they labeled or color coated?
Milton Hernandez it depends on the radii in the key. You can check them with the tracer. Or check them with a radius gauge. So if the tracer or radius gauge 'indicates'/fits a 1,5 or 2 mm radius that is the cutter (or bit) you'll choose to mill the new key.
@@brettershoalar9001 What do you mean check with the tracer?
@@footage6402 'Some machines come with different tracers'. Those are the small pins or fingers wich are used to follow the groove. And they sometimes come in different sizes. If u got one that fits perfectly in the groove you actually should/could be able to look up what size this traces is. It is engraved on the traces/pin itself from factory.
If your Honda keys doesn’t have tape on it is it even a Honda?
Can you cut audi/vw keys with this?
how would you cut a key if you dont have the original to make a copy from?
You can’t…well you not cheaply. For a car you would need the vin the number, then you would need a multi thousand dollar machine that can cut it off your vin alone or you would need to be a locksmith with access to software to get your key cut information.
For a house key, or some car keys you need to use a tool, like the Lishi Tools. You get the depths of the cuts and then use a guide to cut a blank key, still going to cost you $500 more/less, and that’s if your vehicle key is available from lishi tools
Worth to buy? Precition good?
Is it both 110 V and 220 V
i think it would help to clean the clamps, remove the metal that's lying everywhere...It might help positioning a small strong magnet(neodymium) near each clamp. You will have a lot less metal splinters flying around. Regards
How is the Defu 998c holding up for you? You still using it?
Actually really well. Just used it yesterday for a quick cut. No issues yet.
@@jackmeyers2911 Hi, what is difference between the 998c and the 368 defu offered online from china? Is one not going to work for this key?
Why would the key not start the car if it unlocks the doors manually? All four buttons on the remote work perfectly.
transponder in the key has to match the code in the immobilizer. on some cars you can program with a simple sequence like putting the original in, turning to on position for X seconds, then off and put the new one in and turn to on for X seconds and it writes the code. On some cars you have to hook up a dealer level scantool to run the key programming sequence from the ECU. And on more annoying cars, like my BMW, you have to take the EWS module out from under the dash, take the circuit board out of the box and hook a plug on it from a programmer box and use your computer to write the key values to the key and the EWS module at the same time... fun stuff. in the last case, its cheaper to buy one of these key cutters, and the programmer, and do it yourself than it is to take it to someone and get key copies made... which is why im here watching this video. haha.
The key FOB's need to be programmed for two different things. See jimthecarguy TH-cam video called
How To Program A New Key For A Honda Accord
He uses a $104 scanner.
Can 368 cut regular car keys too?
It will not you have to buy an adapter clamp that runs about $100
@@jackmeyers2911 Hi, Does car key length, metal part, for example for Honda key, of a blank key has to exactly match the original key length? A blank key length is a bit shorter but I don't think it is matter. I am kind of new to this.
@@jackmeyers2911 Hi again, On my Key Cutting Machine Model 368A which looks similar to yours,
left vise jaw, where a blank key is mounted, started to shift to the left so my alignment is off. Is there a way to readjust it, loosening some screws maybe?
Hi, I have the 368 and anytime i try to cut the Honda like in video or Ford flat blade the cutter and tracer is always touching or getting in the way of the jaws (stock) any suggestions?
Blair Middleton you need to shim the keys up. I went on Amazon and bought two 1/4 feeler gauges for $11. I put shims under the original key until the deepest part of the key sits flush with the clamp. Match the same amount of shims from the second feeler gauge set and put them under the new key. It's a little difficult to understand without seeing it so I try to post a video explaining it asap.
Thanks Jack, best to start cutting from the tip of the blade too mate?
Blair Middleton you know I always wondered that. I bought the sec-e9 automatic cnc cutter and on Honda keys it starts at the tip and others on the side against the clamp so I'm not sure where is best.I'll have to look into what's reccomended. I'm sure you're correct though. It makes sense.
Ok thanks Jack, will have another go a my customers one today and hopefully nail it this time. Thanks mate.
You probably figured this out by now.... The cutting tool is an end mill. It can cut sideways unlike a drill. As the end mill rotates each flute (or tooth) should shave off only a very small chip. The chip is really just a very, very thin sliver of the metal. The thickness of the chip should be about 1/4 the thickness of an ordinary piece of paper. That's about .001 inch thick or less, no more! Try to gently blow the chips away as they are being cut. You don't want to recut chips over and over again. A slow, steady pace is the best. If the bit tends to pull itself into the work, look up climb milling vs conventional milling.
how hard is it too get spare cutting bits ?
Mechanic and skills i am sorry for the late reply. Pretty easy. They are all over ebay. Of corse they are cheap bits but they work. Id rather buy a 20 pack of cheaper bits for $35 then one expensive one. I bought a keyline 994 laser machine and the bits are $169 each. The other day i didn't secure the clamp all the way and it snapped the carbide bit in an instant. $170 for a silly mistake is outrageous.
great point losing 170 bucks is as fun as losing a 35 dollar automotive socket. Thanks for the feedback. i enjoyed your video . well done . fantastic job .
@@jackmeyers2911 where is a good site to buy assorted automobile key blank from? Thanks
Where do you get the key blanks.
eBay
eBay
eBay
Where did you buy the machine? Thanks for the video!
You can buy the 998C thru Aliexpress. I bought one on there that was from XCAN but it and DEFU are all the same chinese product. The 998C is more powerful than the 339C and the 368 versions etc... The ESP-HPC 339C is the same chinese model as the DEFU 339C and XCAN 339C...
Please help me i need it from amazon how and wher can i by
Can you make a duplicate and program a key I bought from Amazon? For a BMW X5.
No its a cutter not a programmer
who is this price sir
Did these keys work in the honda after??
Dear How much this one?
Thanks for the excellent view of the key end and absolutely nothing of the key being cut. Useless. 🔑
Aaron Gilliam I made this video a long time ago and was In a hurry. I'm going to remake one tomorrow showing every part of cutting multiple keys with the camera on a tripod. My apologies for this one.
@@abuu1 sorry man. I wish i had more free time to dedicate to this channel. I'm trying to ad content in my free time. 5 daughters and 10 hour work days makes it tough. I don't use this machine much but I just took it out of the van and have it on my test bench. I have everything set up to cut and make a much better video covering it coming very soon. Its actually a good machine . I use the high dollar ones ive bought daily now for speed and code cutting purposes but I didn't abandon this one . I'm going to make some bmw , honda and a lexus key tomorrow with it.
@@jackmeyers2911 this can do car key im waiting for response thanks i plan to buy if ok this
He made this way too difficult, he could’ve just set the machine to the right depth lol
Brett Wells yea not sure if you have one of these machines or not but the honda keys drop below the deck of the clamp. You can set the depth if you buy the honda mounting shim kit that actually holds the key above the clamp but that's not made by them and it's $143. If you have ever made a honda key on this low budget machine you would know exactly what i mean. Try dropping the keys in the machine next time. Set your depth and let me know how it works out. I made probably a couple hundred honda keys on this machine this way before i bought my keyline ninja laser and they all worked except the first few i dropped in and "set the depth". It doesnt work like that for this particular key. Lol
ok my bad, i understand what you mean... i use a Twister II, but I'm going on my own soon and i wanted to invest in one of these, can you send me a link for honda shim kit?
@@brett8074 What do you mena you used a twister 2? What will use to cut the key what kind of shim?
@@jackmeyers2911 Where do I buy a mounting shim kit so it holds it right?
Get yourself a set of Feeler Gauges. That will solve your height issues.
Hey jack I’m just getting into cutting now I bought the Autel 508 and want to buy a key cutting machine, do you still recommend this one? Which number cutter do you reccomend for Honda keys
Use the largest diameter cutting tool that will fit into the smallest radius on the key you are copying. Use the tracing tool bit to see if it will do the job. For example, if you are trying to cut a Honda Fit key with a 3mm diameter cutting tool. Try to trace out the cuts on the original key using the 3mm diameter tracing tool as if it were the cutting tool. If the tracing tool reaches into all the small radii on the original, then the cutting tool will do it as well. The tracing tool and cutting tool should always be the same diameter when cutting. If the tool cannot get all the way into the corners then use a smaller diameter tool. You want to use the largest diameter tool that you can because it will chatter less. Chatter ruins the finish and breaks the cutting tool. These cutters are just end mills used by machinist every day. A couple drops of WD-40 will help the tool last longer as well. Keep brushing or blowing the chips away as you cut. Re-cutting the same chips over and over will wear the bit faster, and decrease the quality of the surface finish. The goal is to push the key into the end mill such that each flute on the cutter shaves off about .0005 inch on each revolution that is spins. .0005 inch is like 1/8 the thickness of a piece of paper. Push slower and steady rather than faster and jerky. Start from the outside and work your way in. Don't make full radial depth of cuts, especially with the thinner cutting tools. You will be more likely to break them. Expect razor sharp edges where you have cut.
Thank you Jack!
How you program the beeper
I believe you are talking about your Remote. Most vehicles have the information in the cars owners manual. If you don't have a owners manual you can find it online and get the info from there.
@@ffas23 I wonder what he does to program the transponder into the car
Check out other TH-cam videos like
How To Program A New Key For A Honda Accord
by jimthecarguy
Where you bought the machine ?
hi friend ,you can add my Skype:obdiichina02,I am a supplier for diagnostic tools,car key programmer,key cutting machines
Try Aliexpress or Banggood.
U get that on Amazon I was thinking 998c
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