Sharpening stones: Shapton Ha-no-kuromaku 5000 and 12.000 grit
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ธ.ค. 2014
- Shapton Ha-no-kuromaku line is very nice. The stones are for people that prefer harder stones like me. They take very little water and have a nice feel.
I also like the cases they come in.
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I have these Shapton's and a few more for my vintage straight razors. For the instruction sheet (there is really good information on them about each particular stone) all you have to do is to download Google Lens to your phone, point it at each section of the text and it will translate it for you. Very handy!
Holy crap. Looking for a review of these stones and I find an OG DBK video. What a legend.
I have the same stone. i found the shapton 5000 on the hard side, I prefer a softer stone for knives while harder stone for razor
What sharpen8ng angle are you applying? Steel type? Thanks for sharing
looks like tose ore verry good ones
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good luck master, take it easy.
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Sir, I would appreciate if you let me know how many whetstones you use and how many degrees you can sharpen the knife. Thank you from now.
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I keep rags that I use specifically for storing my stones
When their Japanese is better than their English sometimes XD love you guys!
I have tojiro and kai shun pro knife. I have a 1000 grit stone minosharp and 3000/8000 whüstof I will replace it. U think I need a chosera stone or this Shapton work good. And what grip 3000/5000/12000?
I feel these shaptons can sharpen the same steels as chosera. For me the best set would be 400, 1000 and 3000 grit combined with a strop and compound. You'll have all you need to get a razor sharp knife. If you want to add you can add 5k, 8k and 12k later on. Personally I dont often feel the need to go higher than 5k. Maybe only for sashimi knives
Hey brother, thanks for a great video! I'm looking to pick up the 5000 but I can't seem to find a lot of them out here. Could you tell me where you purchased yours?
Hey mate. This is the one www.amazon.co.uk/Whetstone-Sharpening-SHAPTON-KUROMAKU-Shapton/dp/B001TPH8YG I bought mine from www.diy-shop.jp/ you could try and mail them. I don;t know how to browse a japanese shop haha.
mashallah it looks amazing it looks perfect it's very beautiful the mouth is shining bright my master thank you for your effort my master congratulations 👏👏👏
my master, your stones are perfect, they are very beautiful, good luck, good luck, I hope you use it, congratulations.
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I have just received 3 shapton Ha-no-kuromaku stones what would you say is the safest way to dry and store these after use? with the vented box can you dry the surface and put back in the box ?
What I like to do if possible is after I’m done dry the stones and case if you use it as a stone holder using a rag or paper towels and set the stone on a window in sunlight to help it dry I don’t think it’s necessary but I still do it
I hope you aren't getting sick of all my questions but, I have one more. I'm comparing prices between Shapton and Chosera stones. I want to buy a set of 3, and if I buy Shapton it will be about $100 cheaper. Is Chosera worth the extra money? Im new to whetstones so any advice or opinions you could offer would be much appreciated. Thank you.
I don't own any shapton pro stones but I do have quite some Ha no kuromaku stones. I like them just as much as Chosera. They feel a lot rougher than Chosera but the finish is very good. I think they are on the same quality scale. The shapton stones are quite a bit thinner though so you pay less but you also get less stone. From experience they will still last you years (the higher grits).
We get a lot of questions lately so we're sorry if we miss any but we still try to answer as much as possible! we only appreciate the comments and questions so don't hold back!
I like the way Chosera removes material quickly from the blade and the feel. However, Chosera is somewhat easily damaged. Corners and even edges chipped. So while they are thicker, I lose material grinding down the edge. (Broken corners I leave as is). I have this 5000 grit and it has had no such issues chipping.
I like these, my set consists of 1k, 2k, 5k, 8k, and 12k. Great for my straight razors!
Do you think when he said he already has a 3k he meant he has a 2k?
I have all the same except the 2k which I’m strongly considering getting, but would prefer 3k, just can’t find it anywhere
How do you feel about the SHAPTON Ha No Kuromaku Ceramic Whetstone (F-set) Medium Grit (#1000) + Fine Grit (#5000) + Fine Grit (#8000) + Ultra Fine Grit (#12000) set? I have a bunch of bark river knives, some kitchen knives and some folders I would be sharpening with them.
Should be a great set! You might want to add a 320 stone later on to sharpen out chips. 1000 will take a long time with chips
@@DutchBushcraftKnives Okay, thanks guys for the suggestion. I appreciate it very much.
Thought you boys were straight edge. Hope you're not guzzling all that liquor! Haha. #noboozebags
If i was to get just one of the two for finishing, which one would you recommend? thanks.
+cebuanostud
Definitely, the 5k stone. It's fast and delivers a very good finish.
Looks good. I have been using Chosera stones in 800 and 2000 grit followed by stropping on balsa wood and then leather. With this setup I can easily make knives shave hair, but out of curiosity I ordered the 5000 and 12000 Shapton Ha-no-kuromaku a few days ago and am eagerly awaiting their arrival. Do you ever strop after finishing with the 12000 stone?
almasi72
hey almasi. i used to stop after 3000 and than I stropped. the knives got razor sharp as well but I kind of bought higher grits for the same reason as you did. I find that I know get a bit finer edgemthat is nicer to work with. I also find the mirror polish very satisfying. after 12k I only strop a few strokes to perfect the polish and give a tiny bit ofna convex on the apex bevel. for most knives however I stop at 8k. mynkitchen knives go all the way to 12k as they profit most from it.
Dutch Bushcraft Knives you should try natural stones, I'm bored with the mirror polish of synthetic stones．I'm in pursuit of the traditional japanese kasumi finish (misty hazy finish)
I love the finish of trad. stones but they seem expensive and there are very few user experieces online. i would love to try natural stones though
Dutch Bushcraft Knives nah, go search metal master jp, he has some nice naturals with quite affordable price. I think lv 2-3 is more suitable for knives though
You can shave hair after 700 grit if you know how to sharpen.
Do you still use this stone and would you still recommend it? I have an 380, 800, 1k, 4k, 6k, a blue and a yellow Belgian (natural) stone(Belgischer Brocken). Do you think this stone would work as a finishing stone for straight razors before stropping?
Greetings from Solingen, Germany!
Hey Lenpal, I still have it but I only use it for my kitchen knives. My outdoor knives don;t need such a high grit. For a straight razor it would make a good stone. If you like slurry stones this isn't for you though. This stone is kinda hard.
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+Dutch Bushcraft Knives hey man how are you, any idea how to sharpen my Esee 5? I'm guessing I need to buy good stones correct? Because I am using a smiths Tri stone it was 20 bucks for 3 sides lol so in sure it sucks. I think I did more harm then good. And the knife is so dull now. Won't cut paper won't even baton that great. Stones can make a big difference right? This thing is garbage. And how do I drop an angle say I sharpens a knife at 30 degrees and I want to sharpen at 23 degrees how would I reverse sharpen in degrees basically? Because by that point it is not catching the stone anymore it's at a steeper angle. What do I do to go back t that 23 25 degree angle if it is at a higher one
Hey Ryan. stones make a lot of difference. A knife will easily dig into a soft stone dulling the egde, A hard stone is quicker, takes in less water and feels much better. However, Even on good waterstones you can dull a knife. It's all about trial and error until you get that feeling. IF you want to lower the angle it's as simple as lowering the blade on the stone. You first have to sharpen away quite some steel before you start sharpening the actual bevel if you change angles. On a V-edge this takes extra long. If you want to increase the angle you should raise your blade as if you want the edge to bite into the stone. You should do this gradually as you don't want the edge to actually bite into the stone.
the 1095 @ 55-57 HRC doesn't do very well on a to small angle so please take care not decreasing the angle to much. For esee I would recommend keeping a total angle of 40 degrees +-20 degrees per side.
If you have any questions please feel free to ask! We get a lot of comments lately so If I do not respond please send me an email on dutchbushcraftknives@gmail.com
they quite conveniantly left out the good combo's like 8k+12k, or 4k+8k+12k
I have 320, 1000, 2000 and 5000 Hanokuromaku. My favourite is 2000. Why did you bought 12000 when you have white compound and do you use compound after 12000 stone? Good video BTW
Hey,
Lately I believe that stropping causes the apex to become too concave from too much stropping (mostly for kitchen knives). So I want to use sharpening stones to the highest grit possible. I still use my white compound but only very short to do a final polish and get rid of any burr if any was left.
I must be honest and it is really not necessary to use 12k stone. you can go to 5k or 8k and then use a strop and it will still be very satisfying.
For me the 12k stone feels satisfying to use. If I wouldn't have bought it I would have kept wondering how it would feel and what the result would be.
Dutchbushcraft Yes, I understand. I had that problem with black compound. Now I use it only for lowest quality knives. Stones are the way to go. Is shipping from Rakuten expensive?
ferizb
Rakuten global is like ebay and the shipping costs are what the seller charges. I paid €25,- ($30,-) to ship to the Netherlands. The stones themselves where 3x cheaper than in Europe.
What's better the pro series or these? Or shapton or nawnia? I think I'm gonna go with shapton. The 30000 grist is 300 bucks lol
+Ryan Caiazza shapton is a great choice. The ha no kuromaku stones are the Japanese variant of the pro series. I don't own any of the pro stones but they should be good.
virtiovice says they are the same.
Do you like the chosera fine stones better or the shaptons?
+Beaglone for the fine stones I prefer shapton ha no kuromaku. They leave a nicer finish in my experience
Not sure how you keep that long knife at a steady angle holding it like that but it sure looks like you do I feel like having my dominant hand that far back would really make it difficult so goes to show there are an infinite number of ways to sharpen a knife I don't understand the $800,900,1000+ gadgets people use to do what is when practiced a relatively simple task !
Hey Jeff, exactly! There is no single perfect way of sharpening your knife. It's all about how you achieve your desired results.
A steady angle is only needed in a certain amount. I like a slight convex on my blades so switching angles 2-4 degrees helps create my desired edge. don't worry too much about keeping your angle dead accurate
Man I just bought my first Japanese wet stone a King 800/4000 comb stone. Man it cuts slow. I just spent an hour getting the factory marks off of my Mora companion. I think I will be getting a pair of shapton stones. I can get a 1000 and a 5000 for the price of one Chosera 1000.
Did the Shaptons work better on your Mora?
@@insanity4462 Honestly I never did buy them. I still use that King stone. I am sure that they would be a big improvement though.
nah it has its place. just like an 8k 10k 12k up to 30k. obviously youve never shaved with a 2k or your opinion of sharp would be different.
do you think you will ever buy the 30,000 grit ha-no-kuromaku ?
it does appeal to me but ... man it's expensive haha
I thought same but you could be the first channel to have the 30,000 grit ha-no-kuromaku on TH-cam
no lapping?
only if you use them for lots and lots of knives. they dish very very slowly. i have the 120 1k 1.5k 2k 5k 8k and 12k. most of them are slow wearing compared to soakers
Are these the same as Shapton Pro?
I don't think so. the pro series should be the export version of the ha no kuromaku but like with naniwa the export series is different from the Japanese version.
Virtuovice says these are the same.
Tin Man
They seem to be identical except for the text on the stone and packaging.
Nice video but what is with all the teeth sucking sound at the beginning? Also, why do you have the tv on? Thanks for the informative video. 😀
Should I go 320 - 1000 - 5000 or 320 - 2000 - 5000 ? Anyone?
Depends on what you want to do with it. I have no issues going straight to 6000 from 1000. But if your knives are duller than that, you might want to start lower and go through more steps. Out of the lineup you presented, the 320-1000-5000 makes the most sense to me.
I can tell you that the Shapton 2k is probably the best stone in the line, but 320 - 1000 - 5000 makes more sense as a progression for most things.
That poor paper
no soaking? would you advice to buy them or what?
that was a miyabi knife right?
Hey thanks for your comment.
These stones don't need to be soaked because they absorb water very slowly to almost no water at all. so you can just wet the stones and start sharpening.
Soaking these stones for too long can even be harmful to them as they are magnesium bond. The magnesium bonding makes the stone very hard which gives it a very comfortable sharpening feel, keeps your stone from degrading fast and makes the stone a fast sharpener. The downside is that they can crack if they are left too wet and dry too fast.
I can recommend these stones. If they are hard to find you should try looking at Naniwa Chosera stones. They are very much alike. Although the higher grit Chosera stones tend to be softer than these Shapton stones.
I've also heard good things about the Shapton Pro line but it is a bit less in quality than these Ha-no-kuromaku.
you replied fast :) i own a victorinox knife(i've bought the vitorinox cause my family abuse knives and keep them wet so i can't buy a miyabi ) so i've recently bought from japan a king 4000 stone, have you tried them yet?
dimmacommunication
I have one kingstone (6000 grit). I love the smell the stone has :P.
Kingstones are softer stones that need to be soaked. It doesn't mean that it is a less effective stone. King stones are more traditional and usually used for softer knife steels. It will do a perfect job on a victorinox or and most other kitchen knives.
Is the 4000 stone the only one you have? I think a set of something like 800 - 2000 - 4000 will do very nice. You will need a coarse stone to sharpen out little chips in the blade.
If you haven't heard of stopping before you should really search for it on the internet. Stropping your knife with compound after your 4000 stone will make a perfect finish.
I sharpened for quite a long time with a 400-1000-3000 set and stropped with bark river compound after that. The became just as sharp as I get with my 12.000 stone.
Dutchbushcraft
i have a sharpener that does a good job :) i only need the 4000 to get a good finish ... i think my sharpeneer is like 1200 grit.
i wili search for stropping i already seen that :)
+Dutch Bushcraft Knives
I allways was of the opinion that "Traditional" or "Professional" is just the name under which Shapton sells the "Ha-no-kuromaku"-series outside of Japan... But since the Pro-series seems to have a 15.000 grit stone instead of the 12.000... Very confusing since they look almost the same. Should be interesting to compare.
I know neither, but if they are anything like my "Glass-Stones" they will be absolutely great and last a long time. And even if you pay the European prices (~90€ for the 12.000) it is still a steal compaired to the Chosera equivalents. I guess the only negative point about them is that you will never again be able to enjoy anything less.
Anyway, thank you very much for this to-the-point, no-bullshit-hearsay Video!
My master, I made a request, I asked you for the sharpening stones as a gift, if you could send it, I would be very grateful, I would be grateful, thank you in advance.
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Don't get Shapton. I've had these stones for MONTHS and for Months they have been pissing me the fuck off. I can't perfectly express in words the blood thirsty rage these fucking son of a bitch stones make me feel.
I can't get a nice finish on my chisels. It's a fucking hazy mess every time. The fuckers constantly dry after few passes. The water gets pushed aside and the chisels stick CONSTANTLY. They stick so hard I can't even move my chisels. I've bloody tried EVERYTHING to fix this. I'm literally starting to loose my mind. Every day for god damn months, rubbing my chisels up and down and up and down and up and down... I can't take it anymore... WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON. FOR THE LOVE OF SCIENCE, SOMEONE HELP!!!
Lmao! Do you want to sell them?