I dont normally comment. But for quality videos across a broad spectrum of knowledge in this trade. I had to say something, I appreciate it greatly. Thanks for getting me hooked!
I have never commented on a video but you deserve the kudos! Based on your videos and very prompt response to my inquiry at Burrfection, I ordered your Naniwa 5-piece Sharpening Pro Kit, received it very quickly (yesterday) and had a beautiful edge on my Spyderco Bunko Bocho early this morning. The Super Blue steel sharpened slowly but I appreciated the feedback and could monitor the edge as I went. I hadn’t tried freehand sharpening since my grandfather tried to teach me to sharpen on his very con-caved Arkansa stone about 50 years ago. I have since relied on a KOWS, Spyderco SM and an Edge Pro. The zen of sharpening has reentered my life!
You have chosen the best way to compare two stones in my opinion, i prefer a long video with both sharpenings, seems easier to watch and easier to keep track in the future
I really like the new format. It is great to have the side by side comparison all in one video. I also like the 3 camera angles. I am glad I found your channel, it is so hard to find honest reviews anymore and you always take the time to explain your opinions well. Keep up the great videos!
You should do this in a competition type system. Where the "winner" continues to the next comparison, while the loser gets replaced by another stone. That would be really fun!
Thanks, love the longer format. we get to see the stones in action and get the feedback right at the end. Makes for a very nice morning coffee video. Thumbs up all around!
Great and honest video as always. I would suggest warning people that Choseras are very fragil stones. They should never be soaked and should dry slow.
Ryky, great video as always! I am by NOOOOO means an expert, far from it, however on these big-bodied chef's knives, it appears as though the front 25mm or so of the knife is not hitting the stone that much at all on the left side. Can you comment on this? Maybe the video is just not picking it up. It looks like when you strop, the tip is getting hit just fine, but during the sharpening, it looks like another thing altogether.
i just want to give you a compliment and show my support. Great videos and great information from somebody who loves knives and sharpening. I've learned a lot from you and jealous of the whetstones you have.
Ryky -- Thank you for inspiring me to get my stones out after several years! I recently put a Tojiro DP 240mm to a Shapton Glass 1000 and finished on the Shapton Glass 4000, but noticed that it took longer (ten or more passes) to raise a burr than I expected with the 1000, and toward the end I found myself using a bit more pressure than I've heard you recommend. I also noticed that the 1000 seemed to load up quite a bit. So, my question(s) are: - what coarser stone would you recommend? I know you like the Chosera 800... would that be a good fit to go with my existing Shaptons (or too close to the 1000)? I guess I could use my DMT Coarse (primarily for flattening), if an edge is really bad, but I'm sure I won't let them get as bad as yours after the brick!?! - you have mentioned rust erasers in your videos. In this one you implied that cleaning the Shapton during sharpening might have made it cut faster. Should I try that before buying a new stone? Do the erasers wear out your stone? With Sabitoru erasers, I've seen fine and medium... which do you you use when? Sorry so many questions!
How much variance between grits are there between the Naniwa and Shapton? They are both 1000--but doesn't the Naniwa feel much smoother (closer to a 2-3k stone)? Couldnt that effect the results of this showdown?
I have been using the Naniwa Chosera 1,000 for several years, I am on my 4th one. Like you, I have several 1,000 stones including the Naniwa Akamonzen XL. The Chosera, now Professional is undoubtedly the best stone in this grit and this sentiment is shared by professional sharpeners around the world. If a person plans to learn to sharpen, ti start their Sharpening Journey with one water stone, this is the one. Nice job.
Hi. To be honest, I can't really notice a difference. If I had a choice I would pick the Chosera but those are gone now. They are a little bigger but in terms of sharpening the Professional is in my opinion equal in quality, it feels just a good, a very slick, velvety glide path.
Pete Nowlan thanks! Just fyi, if you click on the links of Burrfection's suggested stones, you can get choseras on Amazon still. Someone imports them I guess. Burrfection says the ones he's gotten have all been real choseras, too. I guess I'll find out for myself at some point. Lol
AWESOME!!!! thanks for this new series.. it is just what i have been waiting for!!! Dude, seriously thanks a lot for doing all of this from us!! i think it would be great to compare exact "name" grits.. like it's always a 1k to 1k, a 3k vs 3k.. etc.. sometimes the fact that one stone is 1k vs 1.2k.... or something like that. anyway, really appreciate this and will be pending for new videos on this series!... still think you should bring Norton stones into the game... this would be a super value add for us straight razor guys.. you only need 2 stones (combos 220k/1k and 4k/8K)
thanks for writing and for the input. i'll work on getting the Nortons for this series, as well as for a new straight razor series i'm planning. i'm finally going to make the jump and start shaving with real razors.
Burrfection welcoming you to the SR comunity! we all will have great benefits from your videos. i bet many of us already looking fwd for that series... objective and detailed comparisons... your videos are diamonds!
Love the longer video, and you could put a time for each part in the description for the folks who prefer individual videos. Shapton pro vs shapton glass, same grits. And atoma, dmt, etc sharpening stones for flattening water stones compared to your purpose built flattening stones.
I like the Shapton Glass in 4K and above for double beveled standard knives. The 10k leaves an incredible finish. Below 4K I like my choseras and Cerax Stones. Chosera works great all the time but I use them primarily on carbon steel like white 2 and blue super! Just not enough feedback on the glass in the lower grits to me!
Honestly the SG has great low grit stones too. Chosera only goes down to something equivalent to the 320/500 glass, but there is also a SG 120 and 220, for this you'd have to get a Naniwa traditional either the regular one which is SiC or the pink alumina one. Anyway, the 320 and 500 glass are really really good and cut very very well. The benefit of the chosera line is every single stone in that entire line leaves a fine tuned, even and pleasing scratch pattern. This is not the case with SG which has honestly too many stones. The whole line has 2x the stones it should have. SG makes sense over chosera for the very high grits because of cost and when you are going to such a high polish the scratch pattern makes no difference, it's just shiny.. Chosera looks and tried to feel like a real waterstone, whereas SG tries to feel like Chosera and looks like nothing else, maybe an Apple item. IDK which is better, I think it all does the same thing, but if you have traditional Japanese knives the chosera makes the most sense and has best scratch patterns, if you just need to do double edge knives make it sharp there is no reason for a chosera which in most cases doesn't cut as aggressive as shaptons. Chosera 400 is such a great stone.
Do you have an opinion on stone holders? I am currently looking at the shihero Steelex single rod version, mainly due to its ability to handle stones of differering sizes, but I wonder about the stability on one versus two rods, what do you, with your experience, favour?
Could you put together a device, which wears out stones and measure the wear out speed? You don't need to were out them completely, but just enough to measure it with calipers.
hey ryky, so I just watched your unboxing video and I'm super excited for your shapton 8k snow white video to drop . I just order my stone . man watching your videos has found me a new Hobbie lol . I don't cook but I want to sharpen . I'm waiting on a chosera 800 , shapton 8k , king 1000 , ryujin uchigomori bench stone , and already got my tri arkansas oil stones . wanted to try them aswell . thanks for the new Hobbie mate
Burrfection lol no blame . I'm super excited . I have extreme adhd and so far sharpening and polishing has really helped me with that . being able to focus on something I enjoy really helps .
shapton pro 2k vs shapton glass 2k then the winner stone vs the chosera 2k. I do like the longer "all in one"video, cus it makes us easier to view. One more suggestion to your showdown series is that could you show the polishing of the knives your sharpened by bringing a close up look and pausing for a few seconds. Cuz finishing/polishing is another important aspect when it comes to higher grits stones. nice video as always. Thanks
Both stones have their advantages The king stones (800/1000/1200) are very soft but they also take a lot of material and you can learn with these the grinding well because they give a lot of feedback A very great advantage which almost only have King stones is that you can store them permanently in the water, almost all other stones do not like that at all, especially the Naniwa are sensitive But the king stones remain not long flat, since I have 800 and the 1200 Kingstone I rub the before and after the use always on each other, so that are always flat A tip still to the king stones, at the end of the grinding, the stone no longer clean the will of itself then finer @Burrfection If you compare the stones just put your 1 $ knife and go over the stone, the king stones do not like cheap steel and you can see
Hi l am a new subscriber to your channel and I have a question for you l am planning on buying Dalstrong knives a 9.5” chef knife and a 8” deboning knife either Omega or Shogun. The question is would you compare the Dalstrong 400 grit 1000 & 3000 or 6000 grit stones against stones you would normally suggest and is there any advantage with the the larger Dalstrong stones and should l wait for a set of Dalstrong since they are not in stock. Thank you Bill .
Question: Does the Naniawa Chosera 1000 release a lot of slury? I am using the Naniawa profesional 800 and it leaves a lot slury, so I have to apply more water on it. Is this the normal way it should work. I am asking because I have the combination stone Naniawa 1000/3000 and it does not make any slury. Keep up the good work, I enjoy every video you make.
Thanks for the video! Really looking forward to another one. I do have a question about whetstones. I just bought my first today. Its a combo 1k/6k, in storing this water stone in water does it need to lay flat or can it be store on end in a tall container?
I think it would be interesting to see a comparison of naniwa the old snow white vs the new traditional snow white. And also naniwa professional vs the cheaper naniwa traditional stones.
New snow white is better and cheaper. Naniwa pro vs traditional. Traditional has to be soaked, makes a mess, will dish out, but overall feels better, has more control, cuts faster and has more versatility in how it will perform based on pressure applied. If you're sharpening "normal" steels, soaking stones are the way to go. Yes, it requires soaking, yes it makes a big mess, yes it will start to dish out basically right away. Cuts way faster, gives you way more feeling and feedback and control over what you're doing which means better results.
Thank you for the explanations! What could I buy as a good 3-stone-set, among chosera ones? I saw in some videos that a good one can be the #400, #800 and #2000. Are those ok? And please, what is that cleaning stone you mention in the video? This cleaning stone also corrects the sharpening stone? Thank you very much and sorry for too many questions...
I have those three stones and yes, they are probably everything you need. For Kitchen knives the 2000 will give you a great sharp toothy edge. For camping knives I would use a strop after.
Chosera 800 vs Chosera 1000. You could also address which stone would be better in combination with the Chosera 3000 and which one is the better for both sharpening and polishing (best stone for someone who can only buy one quality stone).
3k chosera is the most unessisary and over rated stone of all time. Everyone suggests that stone thanks to his ill informed videos and no one understands what it's even about. The thing cost $130 and it's a supplementary, totally not necessary, intermediate stone. All because Ryky doesnt like the look of mirror polished edges. lol what. Sorry but that's a side effect of finer grit abrasion on metal, it becomes shiny. 3k chosera is expensive and it's neither a sharpening nor a finishing stone. To see people suggesting this stone to newbs as some kind of vital and necessary kit is insanity. That's the influence of ryky. No surprise he likes the naniwa more than the shapton, surprise he sells naniwa on his site but not shapton. Shocker. The more you learn about these topics the less you like burrfection and the more you wish you had found some other source early on. I was one of the fools who went out and bought a 3k chosera on his suggestion without knowing much. It's easily the least necessary stone in the world. I'd bet most people that get one end up having no practical use for it.
Great videos as always. Would love to see a comparison of Naniwa 1000/3000 combo vs Naniwa Chosera 1000 and 3000. The price difference is vast, so I wonder how they perform?
So Ryky. I think the long video is the best format. Sometimes I don't have time to watch the whole thing, but it is easy to come back to the video, and TH-cam will remember and start from where I left off. I would like to see some 8K videos. I would like to see a 4-stone comparison, but if I have to pick two; I wan't to see Shapton Glass 8K, and Suehiro Cerax 8K. If a 4-stone comparison was doable I would like you to include Shapton Pro 8K and Shapton Glass 8K.
hey Bryan. lots of videos with 8K stones coming soon. don't worry. i've done 4 stone comparisons in the past, and will work on them more often. thanks for the feedback.
yes, what stone will be closest in performance to the nainwa chosera 400 as i cannot get this anymore. i could only get the nainwa pro series which the 400 is not quite measure to the nainwa. maybe the pro 600 would or soaking the 400 pro a little longer ,what you think, need a good 400grit
For sharpness test, I would like to see newspaper cut across the grain with a close up mic. That really tells the sharpness of the edge as its easy to tear or hear the difference in sound.
Hello from France! Amazing serie, could you wright me down the material you use to clean your stone please?? Congrats mate! Continue this serie just exactly what I was looking for! :)
Thank you Burrfection. Can you also show me how to set up your sharpen knives station. What kind of hardware do I need? Thanks in advance. Love your quality video.... keep it up!!!
Ryki I've watched most of your videos and am getting ready to buy my first set of stones. You seem to like the Naniwa supers but don't see them listed in your favorites below. Am I misreading something?
I like them. My top medium pick is the Chosera 800, and favorite mid-polishing is the chosera 3000. if you want a stone to complement these two and want a mirror polish the Kitayama 8000 is my pick. they are all here. kit.com/Burrfection/knife-kit . drop me a line anytime.
what was the stone cleaner you used and loved? also i know you try a lot of different stones i am new and looking for a set what would you suggest, something with low maintenance that still get a razor edge
i use the rust erasers in this list kit.com/Burrfection/knife-kit, also if you want a simple 2 stone set, that will last forever, and give you the possible best edge, go with the Naniwa Chosera 800 and 3000. those two are my personal favorites. they are in that list too
Good day. I would like to know. Are Naniwa Super stone and Suehiro's NEW CERAX whetstones suitable for sharpening wood chisels made of High quality hardened steel. And what grit would you recommend to buy,
I would be interested in a video where you introduce yourself a bit. Tell us about how you became interested in knives and sharpening. Do you have any professional experience that is relevant such as work in a restaurant kitchen? What inspired you to start making sharpening videos for TH-cam? I enjoy the content you create. Keep up the great work😀!
Great channel! with lot's of good information Thank you. Have you ever worked with the Norton series stones? I run a 1k, 4k and 8k and would love to see how they stack up against the Chosera and Shapton series.
Agree! unfortunatelly i live in Costa Rica, otherwise I would have sent you my two combos at least for you to try them and shipe them back when done... these stones are kind of a reference with the Straight razor community, as an example, whn talking about 8 k stones, most folks compares any 8 k to a Norton 8k.. say, "it has a lot of drag, or is dsoft, or it has gfood fedback... meny times they are csaying better feedback than an 8k norton, or mote drag, or softer thanan 8k norton... :)
i would love to see another chosera 1k vs shapton glass 1k, but with a different steel knife, maybe a cheap victorinox. i think it could be a complete different result there.
Hi, I see lot of people asking comparison 800 vs 1000 Chosera. I as amateur getting 1st stone allso need help on deciding Chosera 800 or 1000 for my kitchen knives. As I'm searching something for one stone sharpening can't decide which to buy. It's not a problem if one stone is asking a bit longer work, end result matters. Thx and keep up good work.
Dear Stjepan, I have the same issue - I am an amateur and I am getting ready to buy my first good stone - which stone first - the Chosera 800 or the 1000? Ricky Tran seems to prefer the 800 but it seems that my knives are already sharp and 800 may be too rough. I do not want to take off too much metal which is why i am thinking the 1000 would be better and more useful - what did you decide?
@@Ted_Michaels In reading and researching, the chosera/Naniwa professional 800 is really more like a 1000 (true) grit. I have a Cerax1000, but i really hate having to wait 20ish minutes for them to soak and switched to the Naniwa Professonal 800 and couldn't be happier, i also use a shapton pro 8000 after just to polish my blades, as i like a mirror polish on my knives
Chosea 1k will produce a finer scratch pattern then the Glass. Chosera will also give a higher polish then the glass. I've done this test with a scope and chosera clearly produce much shallower and thinner striations. Maybe do a 500 glass vs a 600 chosera if you have a 3rd knife throw in a shapton pro same grit range I've done this test I'm interested in what you get from this comparison. When you do your next test I'll do the same and maybe we can compare results and then discuss not the brand of knife but the steel and why the stones you just used could completely produce the complete opposite results. Softer vs harder steel on same stones would produce different results. Something to think about. Great job as usual.
this a bit like comparing oranges to tangerines in my opinion. If one references the Komatadjie grit chart, you can see that the Chosera 1k is finer than the Shapton 1k and therefore might produce the finer edge, all other things staying the same. Nevertheless a fun and informative video with the different camera angles
I would love to see a showdown on 10k stones. maybe chosera 10k vs .. shapton (which grade? since they mesure different) or vs naniwa superstone 10k. (P-390 vs S-490)... nice channel.. keep going!!!
I would say just do a single video and put time stamps in the beginning of the description. That way you have fewer videos to edit and upload and the impatient people can just click on the time stamp and jump right to the results.
Is this correct? The slurry created by sharpening a knife on a diamond stone plate should be left on the plate while sharpening. But the loadup created on the Shapton Glass plate should be rinsed away while sharpening, as it can slow down the cutting speed.
Thanks for the video, really involving. Keep the long format, makes more sense as you can watch at your own pace. If I had a wish, it'd be the Chosera 800 (or 1000) against a budget 800/1000 stone - is it worth to pay the premium for Professional?
this 400/1000 stone is REALLY good amzn.to/2tu8SAE, it doesn't feel as good as the chosera 800/1000, but is fast, and the end results are VERY similar.
m-series stones are really hard to come by for many people, since they rarely are in stock, and they were made for the Japanese market. will see if i can pick some up next time.
Hey Ricky, again thanks for the heads up on Mark Richmond, you may if you haven't already check out virtuovice. Could you please do a comparison if you haven't already ??? ...... a King 6000 vs a Rika 5000 vs the Chosera comparison?
You need to groom your shapton glass with the lapping plate before every use. Then you would at most you wouls need 60 strokes to sharpen even the dullest hardest knife. Doing this will bring up some swarf and expose some cutting material actually saving your stones from some wear, its kinda counter intuitive but its how to properly use and extend the use of the glass range.
1 stone 800-1200 grit. 2 stones , add a 500 grit. 300 also ok. 3 stones , 5000-8000 or 10000 to 30000 grit. just need to choose one of them. it just like to strop the knife on the stone. btw, for a home cook with good knife, u just need two stone actually. a 800-1200 n 3000 grit stone. use 3000 to maintain the edge. DONT start to sharp your knife from 1000 grit every time. u will lose more material on it, the height of knife will be shorten, that mean your knife is thicker, it is not good for cut through your food. in a conclusion, both chocera or shapton even shapton glass are good stones. don’t buy a cheap garbage stone. u will have fun on a good stone for many many years. a 800-1000 grit stone is a good start. u can strop lightly on the stone. it can cut the hair sometimes. different between 10000 n 30000 grit was not big. actually, u can jump from 800-1200 direct to 10000-12000 grit. just a 1000 grit stone n a leather strop, the result will make u very happy. enjoy it. friend😄👍
depending on your grit, but for glass stones, i use the atoma 600 amzn.to/2x8Lrzj, takes off just enough material to keep the stone flat without wearing them out too much. you a custom knife maker?
it would depend on how dull your knives get.... 1000 is usually a great starting point, unless you chip/ding your blades, and a 5k for finishing would be fine, i also use an atoma 400 for flattening and if i need a coarser stone, it will double as a re-beveler (if that's a word) to fix chips or dings.
It seems that the knives are very very sharp just from the 1000grit stones, so my question is do you really need to spend additional 150 dollars on a polishing stone and just how important are polishing stones? PS:great video!
short answer is NO. having a 5000 or 6000 finishing stone is for getting that extra mirror polish, which in some cases can help you keep the edge a bit longer. but, if you watch any of my sharpening videos, i always explain that a single stone is all you need if you simply want a great edge.
I find going to a 3k or 5k to really refine/smooth the edge is nice, i will typically use a 5k for my kitchen (work) to make sure the edges are sharp enough to cut through brioche without tearing.
I dont normally comment. But for quality videos across a broad spectrum of knowledge in this trade. I had to say something, I appreciate it greatly. Thanks for getting me hooked!
I have never commented on a video but you deserve the kudos! Based on your videos and very prompt response to my inquiry at Burrfection, I ordered your Naniwa 5-piece Sharpening Pro Kit, received it very quickly (yesterday) and had a beautiful edge on my Spyderco Bunko Bocho early this morning. The Super Blue steel sharpened slowly but I appreciated the feedback and could monitor the edge as I went. I hadn’t tried freehand sharpening since my grandfather tried to teach me to sharpen on his very con-caved Arkansa stone about 50 years ago. I have since relied on a KOWS, Spyderco SM and an Edge Pro. The zen of sharpening has reentered my life!
You did it all on your own. Kudos to you
You have chosen the best way to compare two stones in my opinion, i prefer a long video with both sharpenings, seems easier to watch and easier to keep track in the future
right on. thanks for the input.
I really like the new format. It is great to have the side by side comparison all in one video. I also like the 3 camera angles. I am glad I found your channel, it is so hard to find honest reviews anymore and you always take the time to explain your opinions well. Keep up the great videos!
thanks Doug. Stay in touch.
You should do this in a competition type system. Where the "winner" continues to the next comparison, while the loser gets replaced by another stone. That would be really fun!
haha. working on those. did that before and it worked well, so will make sure i bring that format back.
Thanks, love the longer format. we get to see the stones in action and get the feedback right at the end. Makes for a very nice morning coffee video. Thumbs up all around!
John Craig My preference too, John.
haha. thanks John. stay in touch.
+1!!! wither that with morning coffee or with lunch in front of pc...
Great and honest video as always. I would suggest warning people that Choseras are very fragil stones. They should never be soaked and should dry slow.
good suggestion. i'll try to remember to include that in the next series of videos.
Ryky, great video as always! I am by NOOOOO means an expert, far from it, however on these big-bodied chef's knives, it appears as though the front 25mm or so of the knife is not hitting the stone that much at all on the left side. Can you comment on this? Maybe the video is just not picking it up. It looks like when you strop, the tip is getting hit just fine, but during the sharpening, it looks like another thing altogether.
that rust eraser works like a charm. thanks for the tip.
Oh man one of my favorite channels
i just want to give you a compliment and show my support. Great videos and great information from somebody who loves knives and sharpening. I've learned a lot from you and jealous of the whetstones you have.
hey Justin. thanks for writing. stay in touch and welcome.
Ryky --
Thank you for inspiring me to get my stones out after several years! I recently put a Tojiro DP 240mm to a Shapton Glass 1000 and finished on the Shapton Glass 4000, but noticed that it took longer (ten or more passes) to raise a burr than I expected with the 1000, and toward the end I found myself using a bit more pressure than I've heard you recommend. I also noticed that the 1000 seemed to load up quite a bit.
So, my question(s) are:
- what coarser stone would you recommend? I know you like the Chosera 800... would that be a good fit to go with my existing Shaptons (or too close to the 1000)? I guess I could use my DMT Coarse (primarily for flattening), if an edge is really bad, but I'm sure I won't let them get as bad as yours after the brick!?!
- you have mentioned rust erasers in your videos. In this one you implied that cleaning the Shapton during sharpening might have made it cut faster. Should I try that before buying a new stone? Do the erasers wear out your stone? With Sabitoru erasers, I've seen fine and medium... which do you you use when?
Sorry so many questions!
How much variance between grits are there between the Naniwa and Shapton? They are both 1000--but doesn't the Naniwa feel much smoother (closer to a 2-3k stone)? Couldnt that effect the results of this showdown?
I have been using the Naniwa Chosera 1,000 for several years, I am on my 4th one. Like you, I have several 1,000 stones including the Naniwa Akamonzen XL. The Chosera, now Professional is undoubtedly the best stone in this grit and this sentiment is shared by professional sharpeners around the world. If a person plans to learn to sharpen, ti start their Sharpening Journey with one water stone, this is the one. Nice job.
Do you l prefer the old chosera or new ones(pro)?
Hi. To be honest, I can't really notice a difference. If I had a choice I would pick the Chosera but those are gone now. They are a little bigger but in terms of sharpening the Professional is in my opinion equal in quality, it feels just a good, a very slick, velvety glide path.
Pete Nowlan thanks!
Just fyi, if you click on the links of Burrfection's suggested stones, you can get choseras on Amazon still. Someone imports them I guess. Burrfection says the ones he's gotten have all been real choseras, too. I guess I'll find out for myself at some point. Lol
Oh okay, cool. Much appreciated.
All Hail Pete Nowlan. Sharpening Master. Fact.
AWESOME!!!! thanks for this new series.. it is just what i have been waiting for!!!
Dude, seriously thanks a lot for doing all of this from us!! i think it would be great to compare exact "name" grits.. like it's always a 1k to 1k, a 3k vs 3k.. etc.. sometimes the fact that one stone is 1k vs 1.2k.... or something like that.
anyway, really appreciate this and will be pending for new videos on this series!...
still think you should bring Norton stones into the game... this would be a super value add for us straight razor guys.. you only need 2 stones (combos 220k/1k and 4k/8K)
thanks for writing and for the input. i'll work on getting the Nortons for this series, as well as for a new straight razor series i'm planning. i'm finally going to make the jump and start shaving with real razors.
Burrfection welcoming you to the SR comunity! we all will have great benefits from your videos. i bet many of us already looking fwd for that series... objective and detailed comparisons... your videos are diamonds!
Love the longer video, and you could put a time for each part in the description for the folks who prefer individual videos.
Shapton pro vs shapton glass, same grits.
And atoma, dmt, etc sharpening stones for flattening water stones compared to your purpose built flattening stones.
got lots of comparisons for Glass vs Pro stones, don't worry. thanks for writing.
Hello @Burrfection! Thank you for the video! What's the name of that cleaning stone nagura? Is it from a specific brand? Thank you!
I prefer the long video format rather than 3 videos.
right on. thanks for the input
I like the Shapton Glass in 4K and above for double beveled standard knives. The 10k leaves an incredible finish. Below 4K I like my choseras and Cerax Stones. Chosera works great all the time but I use them primarily on carbon steel like white 2 and blue super! Just not enough feedback on the glass in the lower grits to me!
Honestly the SG has great low grit stones too. Chosera only goes down to something equivalent to the 320/500 glass, but there is also a SG 120 and 220, for this you'd have to get a Naniwa traditional either the regular one which is SiC or the pink alumina one. Anyway, the 320 and 500 glass are really really good and cut very very well. The benefit of the chosera line is every single stone in that entire line leaves a fine tuned, even and pleasing scratch pattern. This is not the case with SG which has honestly too many stones. The whole line has 2x the stones it should have. SG makes sense over chosera for the very high grits because of cost and when you are going to such a high polish the scratch pattern makes no difference, it's just shiny.. Chosera looks and tried to feel like a real waterstone, whereas SG tries to feel like Chosera and looks like nothing else, maybe an Apple item. IDK which is better, I think it all does the same thing, but if you have traditional Japanese knives the chosera makes the most sense and has best scratch patterns, if you just need to do double edge knives make it sharp there is no reason for a chosera which in most cases doesn't cut as aggressive as shaptons. Chosera 400 is such a great stone.
what grit of sharpening wetstones one should have to sharp Japanese powder steel or blue steel knives?
Do you have an opinion on stone holders? I am currently looking at the shihero Steelex single rod version, mainly due to its ability to handle stones of differering sizes, but I wonder about the stability on one versus two rods, what do you, with your experience, favour?
Could you put together a device, which wears out stones and measure the wear out speed? You don't need to were out them completely, but just enough to measure it with calipers.
could you do a vid on the Belgian Coticule stones? they are really rare . my grandfather had one.. he used it to sharpen his old school razors.
hey ryky, so I just watched your unboxing video and I'm super excited for your shapton 8k snow white video to drop . I just order my stone . man watching your videos has found me a new Hobbie lol . I don't cook but I want to sharpen . I'm waiting on a chosera 800 , shapton 8k , king 1000 , ryujin uchigomori bench stone , and already got my tri arkansas oil stones . wanted to try them aswell . thanks for the new Hobbie mate
wow.... you've got lots of good stuff on the way. let me know how you like them. don't blame for the money pit you are digging yourself into.
Burrfection lol no blame . I'm super excited . I have extreme adhd and so far sharpening and polishing has really helped me with that . being able to focus on something I enjoy really helps .
looks like u are putting more pressure on the push stroke??
love those 3 way videos..good job ryky !!!
right on. thanks for the feedback
shapton pro 2k vs shapton glass 2k then the winner stone vs the chosera 2k. I do like the longer "all in one"video, cus it makes us easier to view. One more suggestion to your showdown series is that could you show the polishing of the knives your sharpened by bringing a close up look and pausing for a few seconds. Cuz finishing/polishing is another important aspect when it comes to higher grits stones. nice video as always. Thanks
thanks for writing. i'm holding off on the polishing stones SHOWDOWN videos until i can get the right camera/lens to show close ups. great input.
Quality video as usual...
- KING 1k vs. Naniwa 1K will be interesting
don't worry. have those in lined.
Both stones have their advantages
The king stones (800/1000/1200) are very soft but they also take a lot of material and you can learn with these the grinding well because they give a lot of feedback
A very great advantage which almost only have King stones is that you can store them permanently in the water, almost all other stones do not like that at all, especially the Naniwa are sensitive
But the king stones remain not long flat, since I have 800 and the 1200 Kingstone I rub the before and after the use always on each other, so that are always flat
A tip still to the king stones, at the end of the grinding, the stone no longer clean the will of itself then finer
@Burrfection
If you compare the stones just put your 1 $ knife and go over the stone, the king stones do not like cheap steel and you can see
Can you compare the chosera stones to the ones that come in the Bob Kramer Zwilling kit?
have you ever used the spyderco bench stones? and if so what do you think compared to these?
Have you done a comparison between spyderco medium ceramic vs shapton glass 1000?
Amazing video as always
right on! thanks for watching
Is the Naniwa Blue Super Stone iS1000 any good? Love your channel...
Thanks for the video, itwas very intresting. Place tall me the name of the nagura with you cleaned the stones in this video.
Hi l am a new subscriber to your channel and I have a question for you l am planning on buying Dalstrong knives a 9.5” chef knife and a 8” deboning knife either Omega or Shogun. The question is would you compare the Dalstrong 400 grit 1000 & 3000 or 6000 grit stones against stones you would normally suggest and is there any advantage with the the larger Dalstrong stones and should l wait for a set of Dalstrong since they are not in stock. Thank you Bill .
Question: Does the Naniawa Chosera 1000 release a lot of slury? I am using the Naniawa profesional 800 and it leaves a lot slury, so I have to apply more water on it. Is this the normal way it should work. I am asking because I have the combination stone Naniawa 1000/3000 and it does not make any slury.
Keep up the good work, I enjoy every video you make.
is the shapton hc or hr version? hr cuts better but nothing will ever replace my naniwa proffesional series hehe
Thanks for the video! Really looking forward to another one. I do have a question about whetstones. I just bought my first today. Its a combo 1k/6k, in storing this water stone in water does it need to lay flat or can it be store on end in a tall container?
lay it down on its' side to dry
I think it would be interesting to see a comparison of naniwa the old snow white vs the new traditional snow white.
And also naniwa professional vs the cheaper naniwa traditional stones.
New snow white is better and cheaper. Naniwa pro vs traditional. Traditional has to be soaked, makes a mess, will dish out, but overall feels better, has more control, cuts faster and has more versatility in how it will perform based on pressure applied. If you're sharpening "normal" steels, soaking stones are the way to go. Yes, it requires soaking, yes it makes a big mess, yes it will start to dish out basically right away. Cuts way faster, gives you way more feeling and feedback and control over what you're doing which means better results.
Thank you for the explanations! What could I buy as a good 3-stone-set, among chosera ones? I saw in some videos that a good one can be the #400, #800 and #2000. Are those ok? And please, what is that cleaning stone you mention in the video? This cleaning stone also corrects the sharpening stone? Thank you very much and sorry for too many questions...
I have those three stones and yes, they are probably everything you need. For Kitchen knives the 2000 will give you a great sharp toothy edge. For camping knives I would use a strop after.
I have both. Great stones BTW. I use the GS as a traveling stone and the Chosera as my favorite #1000 stone.
Which stone is good for a beginner i will be sharpening pocket knives fixed blades used for utility purposes self defense hunting whatever.
Why are you turning over the stone when switching knife sides?
Chosera 800 vs Chosera 1000. You could also address which stone would be better in combination with the Chosera 3000 and which one is the better for both sharpening and polishing (best stone for someone who can only buy one quality stone).
got those coming soon.
yes, chosera 800 vs 1.000
after that, do chosera 3000 vs 5000 vs 10000 for polishing ones (to use after the chosera 800)
I think an 800-3000 would be better than a 1000-3000 because it gives you a much wider range of possibilities.
3k chosera is the most unessisary and over rated stone of all time. Everyone suggests that stone thanks to his ill informed videos and no one understands what it's even about. The thing cost $130 and it's a supplementary, totally not necessary, intermediate stone. All because Ryky doesnt like the look of mirror polished edges. lol what. Sorry but that's a side effect of finer grit abrasion on metal, it becomes shiny. 3k chosera is expensive and it's neither a sharpening nor a finishing stone. To see people suggesting this stone to newbs as some kind of vital and necessary kit is insanity. That's the influence of ryky. No surprise he likes the naniwa more than the shapton, surprise he sells naniwa on his site but not shapton. Shocker. The more you learn about these topics the less you like burrfection and the more you wish you had found some other source early on. I was one of the fools who went out and bought a 3k chosera on his suggestion without knowing much. It's easily the least necessary stone in the world. I'd bet most people that get one end up having no practical use for it.
What happened to this series? I'm trying to find the results of the 1K stones but I can't seem to find it.
he did about 4 videos, then since then no updates :( he does have an end of year roundup
Hi ricky can you do a comparison of (shapton pro 2000 vs chosera 3000 )for price i know shapton will win but im looking for performance.thanks
Great Video, again. Helped me with my choice. Could you please do a Chosera 400 vs any other
that video is coming.
Great videos as always. Would love to see a comparison of Naniwa 1000/3000 combo vs Naniwa Chosera 1000 and 3000. The price difference is vast, so I wonder how they perform?
hmmm interesting request. will look into it.
So Ryky. I think the long video is the best format. Sometimes I don't have time to watch the whole thing, but it is easy to come back to the video, and TH-cam will remember and start from where I left off.
I would like to see some 8K videos. I would like to see a 4-stone comparison, but if I have to pick two; I wan't to see Shapton Glass 8K, and Suehiro Cerax 8K. If a 4-stone comparison was doable I would like you to include Shapton Pro 8K and Shapton Glass 8K.
I messed that up a bit, sorry. Shapton Glass 8K Vs. Suhero 8k and Naniwa Snow White Vs. Shapton Pro 8K. Thanks!
hey Bryan. lots of videos with 8K stones coming soon. don't worry. i've done 4 stone comparisons in the past, and will work on them more often. thanks for the feedback.
yes, what stone will be closest in performance to the nainwa chosera 400 as i cannot get this anymore. i could only get the nainwa pro series which the 400 is not quite measure to the nainwa. maybe the pro 600 would or soaking the 400 pro a little longer ,what you think, need a good 400grit
Naniwa pro is chosera without the base
I like the condensed into one video version rather than a series of videos.
thanks Daniel
Do budget King 1000/6000 v more expensive 1000 or 6000 please. Nice brick
I would love to see shapton glass 500 vs chosera 400. Great video as always!
ahhh.... way ahead of you.... its' on the way.
Awesome, thanks!
Anyone else get that spin tingling feeling when he rubs his left hand with the ring on it over the stones
yes, my spin was tingling...
For sharpness test, I would like to see newspaper cut across the grain with a close up mic. That really tells the sharpness of the edge as its easy to tear or hear the difference in sound.
will remember that for next time.
Yes, do it
29:22 what is the name for that? I am hearing rusty razor :S could you share brand or full name of this product
Do the new Naniwa Professional feel the same as the old Chosera just without a base?
yeah, they are the same
Hello from France!
Amazing serie, could you wright me down the material you use to clean your stone please??
Congrats mate!
Continue this serie just exactly what I was looking for! :)
this is what i use amzn.to/2pwlHNS, i'm sure you can find it on amazon France, or ebay bit.ly/sabitoru
Can you let me know the brand of the stone cleaner and where did you buy them
Thank you Burrfection. Can you also show me how to set up your sharpen knives station. What kind of hardware do I need? Thanks in advance. Love your quality video.... keep it up!!!
rust eraser, as mentioned twice in the video.
i would like to see another chosera vs shapton glass showdown. but this time with the polishing stones!
and i think one long video is the way to go
dont' worry. have dozens of those videos coming.
Ryki I've watched most of your videos and am getting ready to buy my first set of stones. You seem to like the Naniwa supers but don't see them listed in your favorites below. Am I misreading something?
I like them. My top medium pick is the Chosera 800, and favorite mid-polishing is the chosera 3000. if you want a stone to complement these two and want a mirror polish the Kitayama 8000 is my pick. they are all here.
kit.com/Burrfection/knife-kit . drop me a line anytime.
what was the stone cleaner you used and loved? also i know you try a lot of different stones i am new and looking for a set what would you suggest, something with low maintenance that still get a razor edge
i use the rust erasers in this list kit.com/Burrfection/knife-kit, also if you want a simple 2 stone set, that will last forever, and give you the possible best edge, go with the Naniwa Chosera 800 and 3000. those two are my personal favorites. they are in that list too
Good day. I would like to know. Are Naniwa Super stone and Suehiro's NEW CERAX whetstones suitable for sharpening wood chisels made of High quality hardened steel. And what grit would you recommend to buy,
I would be interested in a video where you introduce yourself a bit. Tell us about how you became interested in knives and sharpening. Do you have any professional experience that is relevant such as work in a restaurant kitchen? What inspired you to start making sharpening videos for TH-cam? I enjoy the content you create. Keep up the great work😀!
hey David, will address your questions in an upcoming Q&A video
Plwase make comparison between Choosera 1000 and Nanohone 1000
Great channel! with lot's of good information Thank you. Have you ever worked with the Norton series stones? I run a 1k, 4k and 8k and would love to see how they stack up against the Chosera and Shapton series.
never compared those stones, but i'm going to see if i can get a set of Nortons
Agree! unfortunatelly i live in Costa Rica, otherwise I would have sent you my two combos at least for you to try them and shipe them back when done...
these stones are kind of a reference with the Straight razor community, as an example, whn talking about 8 k stones, most folks compares any 8 k to a Norton 8k.. say, "it has a lot of drag, or is dsoft, or it has gfood fedback... meny times they are csaying better feedback than an 8k norton, or mote drag, or softer thanan 8k norton... :)
yeah, get the combos, thy are cheaper, ping me if you need to know where to buy those
... lots* of (plural, no apostrophe)
Really want to see those edges in magnification. You can get a cheap usb microscope on ebay för like 15 us dollar.
yeah, working on it. trying to get one with the quality i need for video.
love to see that also
Thanks as always
i would love to see another chosera 1k vs shapton glass 1k, but with a different steel knife, maybe a cheap victorinox. i think it could be a complete different result there.
great suggestion. will do.
Great video.
May I have a link or the exact name, of the used stone cleaner?
Thanks.
MEDIUM one store.burrfection.com/collections/accessories/products/sabitoru-rust-eraser?variant=32037350965344
Hi, I see lot of people asking comparison 800 vs 1000 Chosera. I as amateur getting 1st stone allso need help on deciding Chosera 800 or 1000 for my kitchen knives. As I'm searching something for one stone sharpening can't decide which to buy. It's not a problem if one stone is asking a bit longer work, end result matters. Thx and keep up good work.
will be posting a video very soon.
Dear Stjepan, I have the same issue - I am an amateur and I am getting ready to buy my first good stone - which stone first - the Chosera 800 or the 1000? Ricky Tran seems to prefer the 800 but it seems that my knives are already sharp and 800 may be too rough. I do not want to take off too much metal which is why i am thinking the 1000 would be better and more useful - what did you decide?
@@Ted_Michaels In reading and researching, the chosera/Naniwa professional 800 is really more like a 1000 (true) grit. I have a Cerax1000, but i really hate having to wait 20ish minutes for them to soak and switched to the Naniwa Professonal 800 and couldn't be happier, i also use a shapton pro 8000 after just to polish my blades, as i like a mirror polish on my knives
what is best stone 20$ or under .. for vg10 knife. . I have polishing strop with compound grit 8000 &12000. .. but I need sharpen stone
king deluxe 1000
Chosea 1k will produce a finer scratch pattern then the Glass. Chosera will also give a higher polish then the glass. I've done this test with a scope and chosera clearly produce much shallower and thinner striations. Maybe do a 500 glass vs a 600 chosera if you have a 3rd knife throw in a shapton pro same grit range I've done this test I'm interested in what you get from this comparison. When you do your next test I'll do the same and maybe we can compare results and then discuss not the brand of knife but the steel and why the stones you just used could completely produce the complete opposite results. Softer vs harder steel on same stones would produce different results. Something to think about. Great job as usual.
right on J. thanks for writing. will throw in another knife the next time i do the same test.
... finer pattern than* ...
I actually loved the sound of the green stone just closed my eyes and listened wonderful
haha. right on.
this a bit like comparing oranges to tangerines in my opinion. If one references the Komatadjie grit chart, you can see that the Chosera 1k is finer than the Shapton 1k and therefore might produce the finer edge, all other things staying the same. Nevertheless a fun and informative video with the different camera angles
I would love to see a showdown on 10k stones. maybe chosera 10k vs .. shapton (which grade? since they mesure different) or vs naniwa superstone 10k. (P-390 vs S-490)...
nice channel.. keep going!!!
way ahead of you. got a bunch lined up.
I would say just do a single video and put time stamps in the beginning of the description. That way you have fewer videos to edit and upload and the impatient people can just click on the time stamp and jump right to the results.
with the new timestamp feature this would be great
What is the name of that Stone Eraser ?
I have a victoriox 12 in fillet knift.. What stone do u recommand.. For me since i am a wholesale fish cutter.
recommend* and whatever a "knift" is.
Ricky what do u think of spiderco stones
I prefer the longer complete video. Don't make it too difficult for yourself, Ryky
thanks Nando. until next time.
Is this correct? The slurry created by sharpening a knife on a diamond stone plate should be left on the plate while sharpening. But the loadup created on the Shapton Glass plate should be rinsed away while sharpening, as it can slow down the cutting speed.
Thanks for the video, really involving. Keep the long format, makes more sense as you can watch at your own pace. If I had a wish, it'd be the Chosera 800 (or 1000) against a budget 800/1000 stone - is it worth to pay the premium for Professional?
this 400/1000 stone is REALLY good amzn.to/2tu8SAE, it doesn't feel as good as the chosera 800/1000, but is fast, and the end results are VERY similar.
I like this long form video, you can list the time stamps to jump and get a shorter view if they only want one sharpening and conclusion.
will have to figure the best and easiest way for that.
Buying now but no available in India what happen. Help u me
i like to see a review on sigma
can you make comparison shapton m series vs naniwa superstone ?? thank you!!
m-series stones are really hard to come by for many people, since they rarely are in stock, and they were made for the Japanese market. will see if i can pick some up next time.
Where did you get your bracelet? I would like to buy one.
it was custom made.
Hey Ricky, again thanks for the heads up on Mark Richmond, you may if you haven't already check out virtuovice. Could you please do a comparison if you haven't already ??? ...... a King 6000 vs a Rika 5000 vs the Chosera comparison?
hahah. i have done that on my old channel RykyTran, but yeah, i'm working on an updated comparison of those stones.
You need to groom your shapton glass with the lapping plate before every use. Then you would at most you wouls need 60 strokes to sharpen even the dullest hardest knife. Doing this will bring up some swarf and expose some cutting material actually saving your stones from some wear, its kinda counter intuitive but its how to properly use and extend the use of the glass range.
If he were to lap the shapton glass every time he used it, it would be gone after about 50 sharpenings, it is only 7mm thick...
Hello, thank you for the video. If i want just one stone to sharp my knife i can just purchase a 1000 ? Or i need more than one stone ? Thanks
1 stone 800-1200 grit.
2 stones , add a 500 grit. 300 also ok.
3 stones , 5000-8000 or 10000 to 30000 grit. just need to choose one of them. it just like to strop the knife on the stone.
btw, for a home cook with good knife, u just need two stone actually.
a 800-1200 n 3000 grit stone.
use 3000 to maintain the edge.
DONT start to sharp your knife from 1000 grit every time. u will lose more material on it, the height of knife will be shorten, that mean your knife is thicker, it is not good for cut through your food.
in a conclusion, both chocera or shapton even shapton glass are good stones. don’t buy a cheap garbage stone. u will have fun on a good stone for many many years.
a 800-1000 grit stone is a good start. u can strop lightly on the stone. it can cut the hair sometimes.
different between 10000 n 30000 grit was not big.
actually, u can jump from 800-1200 direct to 10000-12000 grit.
just a 1000 grit stone n a leather strop, the result will make u very happy.
enjoy it. friend😄👍
@@169abe Thank you for the detailed information
I'd like to have the comparisons in one video. Its too easy to miss multi videos.
thanks for the input
How do you flatten the glass stones?
depending on your grit, but for glass stones, i use the atoma 600 amzn.to/2x8Lrzj, takes off just enough material to keep the stone flat without wearing them out too much. you a custom knife maker?
Suehiro rika 5k vs Shapton pro 5k.
Shapton pro 2k vs Shapton glass 3k or Naniwa 2k
Thanks.
got it. got those in the works
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Thanks
All three in one. Hard to remember split up.
right on Larry. thanks!
If you could only have 2 stones to sharpen a variety of knives with a high hardness rating 60 and up. What would they be? And if you could add a third
hooligan5769 Avail I would us diamond waterstones if mony was of no concern
it would depend on how dull your knives get.... 1000 is usually a great starting point, unless you chip/ding your blades, and a 5k for finishing would be fine, i also use an atoma 400 for flattening and if i need a coarser stone, it will double as a re-beveler (if that's a word) to fix chips or dings.
What kind of maintenance Shapton glass stones need?
Clean them after sharpening, nothing else.
Is it 22 dollars better?
Great video
right on. stay in touch.
It seems that the knives are very very sharp just from the 1000grit stones, so my question is do you really need to spend additional 150 dollars on a polishing stone and just how important are polishing stones?
PS:great video!
short answer is NO. having a 5000 or 6000 finishing stone is for getting that extra mirror polish, which in some cases can help you keep the edge a bit longer. but, if you watch any of my sharpening videos, i always explain that a single stone is all you need if you simply want a great edge.
I find going to a 3k or 5k to really refine/smooth the edge is nice, i will typically use a 5k for my kitchen (work) to make sure the edges are sharp enough to cut through brioche without tearing.
naniwa professional 3000 vs naniwa super splash & go 3000 please