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The Pandemic that we are experiencing is actually a plandemic. The Pandemic that we are experiencing is a hoax, a staged event. Nobody has died from it.
"The Fate of Rome" by Kyle Harper addresses the scientific evidence behind disease and climate in Rome. He directly discusses the Antonine and Justinian plagues. It is a wonderfully written source I cannot recommend enough!
1. Don’t upgrade farms. 2. Build public health buildings/temples. (e.g sewers, bath houses, and city plumbing) 3. Weaponize plague by sending infected characters to enemy territory. (Total War players will get this.)
Enemy settlements? I send plague armies into my own. "Oh, you bastards are rebelling because the overcrowding is making you unhappy, huh? No worries, I'll take care of it. There, half of you are dead, there's plenty of room, and you can go back to being happy productive citizens again." Nero ain't got shit on me.
I think it’s still quite remarkable how quickly the Roman Empire under Marcus Aurelius recovered from the plague and ended up emerging strong, defeating the various Germanic attacks. Although our source material is not very good, we can say that the plague shook Rome, but definitely didn’t bring it to its knees. The Justinian Plague was a lot more devastating.
Most people don't understand that we are living a golden age and the best one so far. They can't stay home, with netflix, youtube, healthy family and everything
But you dont understand. . . My favorite sporting events have been cancled. . . . My business wasnt designed to be closed for 2 weeks . . ."insert other whiney bitchy excuse here" the black plaque killed 2/3rds of Europes population, people need to just be thankful that we now have government and medical procedures to address pandemics. Mostly because so many of our ancestors suffered without.
The Symbol you have used at 1:05 is Caduceus(also known as the Staff of Hermes) which is the symbol for Commerce. It is often incorrectly used as the symbol for healthcare and medicine. The proper symbol that should be used in this case is the Rod of Asclepius (which only has a single snake, unlike the two present on the Caduceus)
The two snakes on the staff was an actual thing used by the hebrews to heal people from snake bites. Its recognized as the medical symbol straight from the judaic religion.
this common confusion is also due to the fact that the US marine hospital service mistakenly started to use this staff as their new symbol in the 19th century. From Wiki: "The modern use of the caduceus as a symbol of medicine became established in the United States in the late 19th and early 20th century as a result of documented mistakes, misunderstandings and confusion."
So imagine if the gods didn't intervine and he went to rome? The collapse of that empire could have happend way sooner, and all of history could be SO different. It's so gnarly how sometimes 1 person can play such a crazy role in history.
@@PersimmonHurmo you're wrong one person can alter history, one moment can alter history, even the tiniest ant can alter history any slight changes will cause a chain reaction forever changing a canon timeline
@@brucelouie4613 Sorry But no. It's like saying hitler caused WW2 when it was the cause of ww1 that made him rise. It's not just one event that causes things to happen. Rome fell from barbarians and financial strains and loyalty problems since you know most romans weren't romans most had loyalties to their home lands. Kind of like america today were foreigners fly their home flags and want america to be like their homelands.
@@LoRdDyY45 the world would be very different without Hitler, George Washington, Genhis Kahn, and you. Little ripples in the timeline can change everything. Hitler dying could have not caused ww2 or caused it with a different leader who could be worst than Hitler or Germany could have been communist or Germany could have divided and Prussia would exist again we dont know but one thing is for sure any changes in the past will effect the future
"It would take a whole episode to describe the philosophies" yes, do that episode. There are a couple of things from the ancient world where I would love to know the secular explanations of some natural phenomena. Another one would be Lightning. Especially in the medieval era.
If you want a broad and condensed look into philosophers in ancient roman times i propose "philosophize this", fair warning that the first 15 min of the first episode is a bit weird since he struggles with starting such a broad theme and rambles a bit ^^
For a detailed overview of ancient medicine, I would recommend the long article in the 11th edition of the Encyclopaedia Britannica (1910-11) which is in the public domain and available online. Inter alia this includes the six schools of medicine described by Aulus Cornelius Celsus (1st Century BC/AD?) in De Medicina. Celsus has a modern sceptical approach and advises that theory should form part of a physician's study but not his practice. The four element/four humour theory described by Philistion of Locri was a part of the Hippocratic tradition adopted by Galen and his "Dogmatic" school which became academic orthodoxy in Christian Europe until the rediscovery of Celsus by a future pope in the 15th century. Celsus was a part of medical education up to the 19th century. Although there were several schools of thought, only the Dogmatics' ideas got through to literary circles, and to this day popular accounts mention them and not the Methodists, Empirics, Eclectics, etc.
-Step 1: Pray to Hermes for protection -Step 2: Drink wine all day and somehow survive -Step 3: Blame the christians -Step 4: Celebrate some games where the responsible christians are eaten by lions -Step 5: Profit
That's basically the same in medieval times, just substitute "Hermes" with "Jesus" "wine" with "ale" "christians" with "jews" and "eaten by lions" with "burned in the stake" Amazing how some things never change.
@Nom Anor These plagues actually did a lot to spread Christianity. Ancient sources point out that when pandemics occurred, pagans ran for the hills (like Galen did) while Christians stayed among the infected and cared for them. Read 'Rise of Christianity' by Rodney Stark who devotes a whole chapter to the plagues.
People in 2020: It's a pandemic! Ancient romans: *Water, earth, fire, air. Long ago, the four nations lived together in harmony, but then the fire nation attacked*
Ancient evidence suggests that perhaps a third died in affected areas. The low causalty rate of 10-15% is based on smallpox outbreaks in 19th century Europe - populations that had existing disease resistance.
Miasmas, or rather what lead to them, can actually be explained through evolutionary theory as humans tend to strongly dislike smells and tastes of certain things that can harm them. That's why we stay away from rotting matter, swamps and similar things. They are unsafe, and for a good reason. Back in ancient times, they kinda had an innate sense of where diseases could come from, and they even tried to formalise that in the theory of miasmas (and other similar voodoo nonsense), but lacked a theory and the knowledge that could prove or disprove their ideas and build upon them.
Hundreds of millions of years gives you hints.. Sadly lead was not something we needed to fear because it's generally underground. Though Romans did realise it was bad at a point there was no substitute economically viable. Why we need economy when it's held back our developments so much? Basically a competitive survival instinct manifesting in a unforeseen way. Without rewards can you get people to be productive? Slot machines are an interesting study of manipulated behaviors btw.
@@carlos89784 Both having a science theory on why you dislike the smell of feces and our animal nature is worthwhile. It's only good to examine things. Especially things we take for granted.
I mean the Miasma theory was hardly voodoo as while proven untrue by modern scientific advances, it's theory and application did lead to effective disease prevention methods: > Particularly notable in 19th century sanitation reform is the work of Joseph Bazalgette, chief engineer to London's Metropolitan Board of Works. Encouraged by the Great Stink, Parliament sanctioned Bazalgette to design and construct a comprehensive system of sewers, which intercepted London's sewage and diverted it away from its water supply. The system helped purify London's water and saved the city from epidemics. In 1866, the last of the three great British cholera epidemics took hold in a small area of Whitechapel. However, the area was not yet connected to Bazalgette's system, and the confined area of the epidemic acted as testament to the efficiency of the system's design. >Years later, the influence of those sanitary reforms on Britain was described by Sir Richard Rogers: >London was the first city to create a complex civic administration which could coordinate modern urban services, from public transport to housing, clean water to education. London's County Council was acknowledged as the most progressive metropolitan government in the world. Fifty years earlier, London had been the worst slum city of the industrialized world: over-crowded, congested, polluted and ridden with disease... >The miasma theory did contribute to containing disease in urban settlements, but did not allow the adoption of a suitable approach to the reuse of excreta in agriculture.[26] It was a major factor in the practice of collecting human excreta from urban settlements and reusing them in the surrounding farmland. That type of resource recovery scheme was common in major cities in the 19th century before the introduction of sewer-based sanitation systems. Nowadays, the reuse of excreta, when done in an hygienic manner, is known as ecological sanitation, and is promoted as a way of "closing the loop". >Throughout the 19th century, concern about public health and sanitation, along with the influence of the miasma theory, were reasons for the advocacy of the then-controversial practice of cremation. If infectious diseases were spread by noxious gases emitted from decaying organic matter, that included decaying corpses.
Antoinine Plague has a good chance to have originated in Han Dynasty China, through the Silk Road trade. Contemporary Chinese sources had recorded plagues breaking out in the dynasty. (One reason Yellow Turban Rebellion happened soon after)
.... I just realized that the four element theory holds up in a..what to avoid sense. Dont go from cold places to hot places back and forth all day long, Being in cold places lowers the immune system being too hot makes dehydrated, too wet attracts fungi, too dry, cracked skin and infection, an imbalance of the elements pretty much just got translated too "conditions are not ideal for the body to defend itself effectively" they knew where the problems where most likely to happen, and why they were for the most part it seems, just without knowing everything else lol
"Man sieht nur, was man weiss" (Goethe) or "We see what we know." Our observations are shoe-horned, in Procrustean fashion, into whatever conceptual framework we happen to favour. Four humours, angry gods, poisoning, evolution, bacteria & viruses ... After Isaac Newton's success in physics, clever people spent two centuries trying to explain biology and medicine in terms of two or three grand universal concepts, until they gave up after homoeopathy and osteopathy. Conspiracy theorists have continued that great tradition.
The Antonine Plague: 2000 deaths/day in Rome Italians during Covid-19 outbreak: Ah shit,here we go again. Guys I know this is a harsh situation,please don't burn me at the stake. Sometimes,a bit of humour can help. Stay home and stay safe. The situation in Italy is heartbreaking,and although the USA surpassed Italy in number of cases,it didn't in number of deaths(as far as I know). So please,still keep a light open for our brothers and sisters in Italy and let's hope all of this will pass as rapidly as it came and that the world will be changed to the better,not to the worst
It’s crazy how the first theory (elements) that you laid out makes sense if one doesn’t consider our background scientific knowledge. It’s a very creative and sensical solution.
@@scintillam_dei what the hell you talking about the symbol of WHO is the staff of Asclepius a son of Apollo who according to mythology can heal any disease and can also prevent death so it is quite fitting for the organization
@@nebsam7137 Greek myth is satanic, so you didn't contradict what I said. I just go deeper than your interpretation. Greek gods were obviously false due to their being selfish which does not match what can be known of the Creator(s) who gave us sight when we never did anything to deserve it, or hands, showing their great mercy, quite unlike Zeus the adulterer or some other satanic entity disguised as an angel of light such as Prometheus who refers to LVCIFER for he stole fire to give to man, and is supposed to be a savior to mankind, even though the real Prometheus wanted man to have fire so man would get burned, and that is why we are mortal. See "Proof Satan Rules The World Ergo The Bible is Right," a youtube series with over 3,000 slides of evidence. The UN logo has 33 sections. Masonry has 33 degrees. Disney has club 33. Masons run the world ever since Templars, who became "freemasons" took hold of all thrones when Europe conquered the world. Europe lost its grip, but not the shadow government.
@@scintillam_dei excuse you the Christian god is just as much a work of fiction as that of Greek mythology, in fact Christianity is literally a branch of Judaism and a combination of different old pagan religions I have done my research and the Christian version of god himself is cruel one example beginning the book of Job where god literally makes a mans life a living hell to win a bet against Satan,another thing is that you have no right calling this ancient religion satanic because during the transition of the Roman empire from Paganism to Christianity the bishops ran a relentless slander of paganism connecting their ancient rituals and symbols with that of the devil to gain power over the masses through fear of being damned to hell examples making the Trident of Poseidon the devil's Trident, Pentacle star of Aphrodite made the devils star etc. Bottom line Satanic is what the bishops of old used to slander any culture or idea that was not their own.
@@scintillam_dei And another thing the Bible be it the old or New testament rip off a lot of the Ancient religions of the time like that of the Sumerians who built the first cities yes THE FIRST CITIES, if you refer to the new testament you must know that that was a revised version of the old testament by MEN to acclimate to the political structure of time that being the 4 century AD many Gospels were deemed "untrue and heretical" by a council of bishops who may I remind you are MEN and so this MEN basically restructured the Bible to suit their political needs that needed to be met at the moment to safe guard the unity of the Empire influenced by multiple Roman Emperor most important of them being Constantine the Great plus what do you think you celebrate during Christmas?,Christmas was never a Christian holiday it is a pagan holiday know at the time as Sola Invictus the bishops to better help acclimate the new convert's adopted the pagan holiday into Christian so that the new converts who were pagans at first and celebrated Sola Invictus would feel at home in their new religion,if you refer to the old testament then that it self was a mishmash of different stories by different people from all across then Juba and as well some borrowed stories from other religions and this version of god is a straight up jack ass ,genocide of other peoples even women and children, enslavement laws condoned by the "just and merciful god" I don't mean to insult the religion but you must understand that they are a product of a different time
The Old Mosaic law showed great insights about quarantines, which animals were safe and unsafe to eat and handle, how to wash and stay clean, how to deal with mold in a house and on and on. More people should take time to study it in more detail.
Today too rich urbanites from London, Paris, Milan run off to their second homes in the countryside. The rural folk don't like it, accusing them of bringing the virus with them & overwhelming the small local health centres.
That happens really everywhere....and the rural folk is correct with that assumption, especially considering that the local hospitals don't have the capacities, especially now.
The Antonine Plague was one thing that helped Christianity flourish even more in the empire. One thing that helped a plague victim survive was basic nursing; giving water and soup to a victim made the plague a lot more survivable. The pagan Romans abandoned their sick and either fled to the country estates or simply shunned the sick, leaving them alone in their houses. Christians provided basic loving care for each other, which meant a sick Christian had a much higher chance of surviving and so a lot fewer Christians died than the Pagans.
Not all pagans....& the people who ran away, were mostly the southern european pagans who were Saturnian & were essentially atheistic except for the fact that they could play with other people. Other religions were more tight-nit because they taught about how honor was more important than life....something only perhaps Stoics believed in. Christians believed in doing honorable things only because it was about preserving their reward in heaven....so yeah....Christians just sweetened the after-life in order to make people possibly stay behind & care for the sick & afflicted. As for how frequent Christians stayed behind....look....Christians were dispersed during that time until Constantine made it safe for them to travel publically. Till then, Christians were not city-folk.
Without microscope technology, the idea of bad air was a pretty reasonable theory considering how many diseases were transmitted by airborne droplets or insect vectors like fleas and mosquitoes.
200 years ago, when there was plague in a certain place, it was surrounded by a wall with everyone inside. In Porto, for example, there were two outbreaks of plague. One in the 17th century, it developed on a street in the city center. The inhabitants of that street covered the windows, the doors, and all access to that street was also covered, many were left to their own devices. The last outbreak, in the 19th century, developed on an island, an area with houses all close together, in a poor suburban area near the city. The survivors were moved to hospitals and houses were burned.
Rome never recovered from this. Before the plague the population of the city was over 1 million, it would be over 1500 years before the city approached that population again.
Hydrochloroquine works. It's been used for 60 years on conditions as mundane as nocturnal leg cramps and Rheumatoid Arthritis. It's in the top 150 most prescribed drugs in the USA, and safe enough to use in pregnant women. Numerous trials are finishing within the week from all over the world. It's not a cure in that it can't stop the spread, but reduce symptoms and contagiousness. It'll be an immediate relief on the medical system. An Easter re-opening is looking somewhat likely.
Great work with sound historical information, as always. Metatron asked his viewers what he should do a video on a few days ago. I said I would request this exact topic, because I was fascinated by it in my Roman Empire college class. But I also understand how people panic, and said it was likely the last thing they needed to see ATM. You handled it well, may it inspire caution
I find it interesting that the Imperial Roman government don't have too much centralize measures in dealing with relief efforts in times of plagues. Aside from grain doles from egypt because of their direct control, surely they have more means to deal with the on going plague? I say this because comparatively, during both Western and Eastern Han, their emperors usually have more at their disposal to be applied (many key sectors had been monopolized by the Emperors such as salt, iron, liquor, forestry etc. It's a tradition that dates back to the Kings of Spring and Autumns period. Usually they would grant tax amnesty, grain relief, heavy price regulation and the granting for peasants to hunt on royal forests. The heavy price regulations extends to the Tang during periods of famine and plagues as well. I am sure the Roman Emperors could apply similar measures to these right? Since they are still controlled variables?
Those measures are more applicable to a famine, which China faced almost regularly, between weather and locusts. It's difficult to see what measures Rome could take against a plague, besides blocking a couple roads and closing ports. It's a more difficult problem to understand or address than a blight. But considering food shortages, those port closures would be difficult to maintain without local rebellion and smuggling.
The Romans also wouldn't be able to shut down ports because it risked disrupting trade and the supply of food. A lot of Rome's food came from North Africa. Local cities and provinces could probably act to maintain stability during an epidemics, because they could maintain alternate sources of income ect.
Much respect that you would tackle this, I think alot of people would benefit greatly from hearing just how horrible pandemics where in the past in order to have something to mirror corona with.
As much as we like to think we're so much better off today, SARS-2 is a reminder that we're still just as vulnerable to disease and panic as people were in ancient times.
And what is more interesting, is we see real effects on economy back then, as well as just the large death tolls. Economy in plague situations can tank, and never fully recover; and people can die - like the Romans, years after the plague is done because of that. All the while people are screaming at the president for just stating "he HOPES" to be able to get the economy going by Easter, not even 'we will'. Because the economy isn't something that can just be "ah, you are not needed here" as any indefinite holding option for long cycles - people can die from hunger just as much as any plague; and even if they don't all die from that, the effects are real and long-reaching, doing decades many times. Trying to get good options that may help for both? Hard, but worth it; and trying to say things to support both - also, very worth it.
Simply not true. Our technology that can keep a person alive, breathing for them until the illness has run its course and the general knowledge of the public when it comes to how we get sick, the availability of soap and the ability to bathe and dispose of human waste away from where we live make modern people far better off. There are some ailments and diseases, like polio that even in the 20th century was disabling people have all but been wiped out.
Not really, people can easily hear news about diseases and governments can act to stop its spread, if not individual people themselves (or a lot today seem to not be interested in quarantining themselves). In previous times news of a disease would probably only come once the disease hits the given area. And of course medical knowledge means that, for now, most diseases can have their symptoms controlled, and be identified for what they are quickly.
@@justinmartin4662 We are still very vulnerable. As it stands; this virus has all but broken containment. If you think otherwise, you haven't thought about it enough. We can lock down ourselves in quarantine, but for only so long - and it will stop the spread here for now... But it will spread from every other country still like a wildfire, and will simply hit us later. The hope here with COVID is a cure will happen soon enough, and we can delay it until we get it; but it will hit. 500k+ and counting, with it already getting 100k across the globe in a single day. It's progress is slowed in many of these nations; but certainly it will not be in all of them. Now take this scenario and imagine: It is a more lethal strain, and a virus that isn't so easy to cure; which there are already several such viruses with no such easy 'cures' for years now, just nothing quite this transferable. Such diseases are possible, and this outbreak shows us just the set of circumstances that would have left us desperately vulnerable right now; and there is nothing our modern medicine could have done to stop it - and that is scary. The way to stop a disease like that, if it occurs in the future (and it will; be it in 10 years, or 300) - is to stop it at the source. And china bungled the shit out of it due to their corruption until all hope of any worldwide containment was all but over. This situation can still happen later; we should try to stop it; but we can only help these nations like ours that are far less corrupt here. A plague of the sort that would kill far more than even the plague of Justinian per capita - could still sweep most of all of the humans on the planet - to this day, despite medicine.
Buddy was onto something with the elements thing. Diseases such as malaria definitely do come when it's hot and moist because that's when mosquitoes are most rampant. If he would have also said something about viruses spreading most when it's cold and dry, he would have been pretty spot on.
Medical History regarding epidemics brilliant useful perspective. Thank You. My favourite History Epidemiological heros are Dr Snow and Shapter of the British cholera epidemics in the early 19century. Smart chaps.
it wasn't just "barbarian tribes" there have been plenty of formations around the empire and in the world in general, Carthage was its own thing before being conquered
@@RexoryByzaboo Roman is a political term. The “Byzantines” called themselves Romaioi (Romans) in Greek. Their empire as Basileia Rhomaion (Roman Empire) again in Greek. The Roman Empire has always been multicultural. They were Romans till 1453
After parthia suffers many defeat against Rome, their current king then sent a curse to the romans that result in Millions of death, dismantling the roman empire.
Some of us (at least I kinda do) may cringe at these medical hypothesis back in those days but imagine what will people centuries later say about our medicine
They won't think anything, because germ theory is objectively true, and based on real evidence instead of speculation, they may laugh at our primitive ways to treat diseases, but never at what we know causes them.
They may laugh at us, for our lack of foresight before it began. They will mock us, for our lack of prevention once it settled. And... I hope... they may cheer at the last page of the story, as it ends in a victory, that shall be forever celebrated. Because otherwise... they shall stand in silence, as there will be no one left to tell this tale.
The scientific method is universal. Ever since its application in medical (a d other) sciences became standard, as long as it is properly observed, there is nothing that can be considered suboptimal about medicine. The theoretical fundation for germ theory, and asepsis existed by 1850, it was simple bullheaded arrogance and traditionalism that prevented its widespread adoption. That attitude thankfully became significantly less prevalent by the late 1800s, and so it is safe to say the last 150 years of medicine have been uniformly the best possible with the tools availible.
It would be interesting to see your analysis of Laviticus methods of identifying leprosy , other diseases , ailments and methods of hygiene and treatments . It's very interesting . Just a thought .
Our states just dont have quite the funds to do it, as far as I know it almost 70% of our taxes go to federal government, but please correct me if I am wrong. We should be doing more and sending more aid to make people stay home and keep their jobs, and to make more tests and prepare the intensive treatment, but the people interested in doing it dont quite have the resources to do it. Also the president cant go for 5 minutes without saying shit that will cost thousands of lives, so we are extra fucked.
@@gabriel300010 You have a point. But passing a measure against gatherings of more than 10 people would go a long way in at least making so that people like my dumb neighbor, that is throwing a party right now, and some evangelical fanatics do not inadvertently put everyone else at risk. This will not be made at the federal level, but states could take this measures inside their jurisdiction.
@@MephLeo enforcing these things is hard though, specially with the president getting in the way. Dont get me wrong I am all for it, but it is hard. Im not even sure how much authority municipalities have about what punishments could be dealt in that situation...
Historians inability to realise that plague ended the Pax Romana and destroyed the Roman Empire before the Arabs took it over shows obsession with basil and incompetence.
@@brandon9172 Too simplistic, they eat the flying virus bags called "bats". Which are especially dangerous, because bats need a high metabolism rate to fly, which causes more cel/gene damage (more free oxygen molecules), which would trigger the immune system into overdrive. To avoid this, bats have a lowered immune system, which makes them excellent reservoirs for virusses (they also huddle together in groups). Here is a SciShow episode about it: th-cam.com/video/iJ2jDPgvbTY/w-d-xo.html
@@brandon9172 No, population numbers do not explain why so many diseases originate from China. Sars, Bird flu, H1N1, Hong Kong flu, the Chinese flu, The Plague, and even the Spanish flu originate from China (since it is mentioned in China in the late autumn of 1917). China does not make up e.g. half of earth's population. Not now, and not then. Why doesn't India produce epidemics for example?
10:50 It should be obvious why it had the opposite effect: 1. The people gathered in one place, to hear him 2. "Word of mouth" is synonymous to "Infection range" in that time.
Those big empires were particulary vulnerable to diseases: - all the ability of a disease to spread via internal trade routes - none of hte scientific knowledge to combat them effectively - even the messengers transmitting the order for Quanrantine, might be infected
It's painful to listen to these ancient experts; and I'm sure in 100 years it will be painful for an educated person to hear our explanations of diseases and cures.
It's painful because I see them making fairly basic mistakes regarding logic and causality, and people are still making them today even though they are well known. It's like, even most smart people don't know much about using their brain. They just make mistakes at a faster rate than stupid people.
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I wouldn't exactly call the cause for what could be the next great depression, and the death of 3000 people exciting, but to each their own.
@@TheseHDGamers tell us if it's good
The Pandemic that we are experiencing is actually a plandemic. The Pandemic that we are experiencing is a hoax, a staged event. Nobody has died from it.
"The Fate of Rome" by Kyle Harper addresses the scientific evidence behind disease and climate in Rome. He directly discusses the Antonine and Justinian plagues. It is a wonderfully written source I cannot recommend enough!
1. Don’t upgrade farms.
2. Build public health buildings/temples. (e.g sewers, bath houses, and city plumbing)
3. Weaponize plague by sending infected characters to enemy territory.
(Total War players will get this.)
damn skavens
Enemy settlements? I send plague armies into my own.
"Oh, you bastards are rebelling because the overcrowding is making you unhappy, huh? No worries, I'll take care of it. There, half of you are dead, there's plenty of room, and you can go back to being happy productive citizens again."
Nero ain't got shit on me.
@@bificommander Are you Thanos?
@@Killzoneguy117 He's worse, at least Thanos was humane in his conduct of erasing half of the population.
The plague was most likely already there due to traders and deserters. Total war is bullshite.
Tarentum without plague: Tarantine Cavalry!
Tarentum with plague: Quarantine Cavalry!
God damn, if this awesome comment didn't bring a smile to my face.
Idk why but I just read Quentin Tarantino through that whole comment lol 🤷🏽♂️😂
@@sagethedemonking3992 gold
Hahaha this comment is fucking excellent, and deserves way more likes.
Columns, far as the eye can see, horsies spaced 6 feet apart, cougheth down into the torrential earth element as offering to the god of science
I think it’s still quite remarkable how quickly the Roman Empire under Marcus Aurelius recovered from the plague and ended up emerging strong, defeating the various Germanic attacks. Although our source material is not very good, we can say that the plague shook Rome, but definitely didn’t bring it to its knees. The Justinian Plague was a lot more devastating.
What was it like for past generations?
Short Answer: it sucked infinitely more that anything we in the modern world could reasonably imagine.
Most people don't understand that we are living a golden age and the best one so far. They can't stay home, with netflix, youtube, healthy family and everything
@@PersimmonHurmo yes, but we dont die at age 30 because of not bathing.
@@heyyou7881 lol
But you dont understand. . . My favorite sporting events have been cancled. . . . My business wasnt designed to be closed for 2 weeks . . ."insert other whiney bitchy excuse here" the black plaque killed 2/3rds of Europes population, people need to just be thankful that we now have government and medical procedures to address pandemics. Mostly because so many of our ancestors suffered without.
@@Strider91 you're comparing a bad/new plague to the worst plague. It doesn't solve anything...
The Symbol you have used at 1:05 is Caduceus(also known as the Staff of Hermes) which is the symbol for Commerce. It is often incorrectly used as the symbol for healthcare and medicine. The proper symbol that should be used in this case is the Rod of Asclepius (which only has a single snake, unlike the two present on the Caduceus)
He's right you know( in Morgan Freeman voice)
The two snakes on the staff was an actual thing used by the hebrews to heal people from snake bites. Its recognized as the medical symbol straight from the judaic religion.
this common confusion is also due to the fact that the US marine hospital service mistakenly started to use this staff as their new symbol in the 19th century. From Wiki: "The modern use of the caduceus as a symbol of medicine became established in the United States in the late 19th and early 20th century as a result of documented mistakes, misunderstandings and confusion."
"Almost as soon as Galen arrived, however, the plague descended on the region..."
- Kind of sounds like SOMEONE was an asymptomatic carrier.
So imagine if the gods didn't intervine and he went to rome? The collapse of that empire could have happend way sooner, and all of history could be SO different. It's so gnarly how sometimes 1 person can play such a crazy role in history.
or his entourage
@@PersimmonHurmo you're wrong one person can alter history, one moment can alter history, even the tiniest ant can alter history any slight changes will cause a chain reaction forever changing a canon timeline
@@brucelouie4613 Sorry But no. It's like saying hitler caused WW2 when it was the cause of ww1 that made him rise. It's not just one event that causes things to happen. Rome fell from barbarians and financial strains and loyalty problems since you know most romans weren't romans most had loyalties to their home lands. Kind of like america today were foreigners fly their home flags and want america to be like their homelands.
@@LoRdDyY45 the world would be very different without Hitler, George Washington, Genhis Kahn, and you. Little ripples in the timeline can change everything. Hitler dying could have not caused ww2 or caused it with a different leader who could be worst than Hitler or Germany could have been communist or Germany could have divided and Prussia would exist again we dont know but one thing is for sure any changes in the past will effect the future
"It would take a whole episode to describe the philosophies" yes, do that episode. There are a couple of things from the ancient world where I would love to know the secular explanations of some natural phenomena. Another one would be Lightning. Especially in the medieval era.
knightshousegames x2
If you want a broad and condensed look into philosophers in ancient roman times i propose "philosophize this", fair warning that the first 15 min of the first episode is a bit weird since he struggles with starting such a broad theme and rambles a bit ^^
For a detailed overview of ancient medicine, I would recommend the long article in the 11th edition of the Encyclopaedia Britannica (1910-11) which is in the public domain and available online.
Inter alia this includes the six schools of medicine described by Aulus Cornelius Celsus (1st Century BC/AD?) in De Medicina. Celsus has a modern sceptical approach and advises that theory should form part of a physician's study but not his practice.
The four element/four humour theory described by Philistion of Locri was a part of the Hippocratic tradition adopted by Galen and his "Dogmatic" school which became academic orthodoxy in Christian Europe until the rediscovery of Celsus by a future pope in the 15th century. Celsus was a part of medical education up to the 19th century.
Although there were several schools of thought, only the Dogmatics' ideas got through to literary circles, and to this day popular accounts mention them and not the Methodists, Empirics, Eclectics, etc.
seconded
@@LovelyHick God, I love that podcast! Neat seeing someone referencing it. :D
-Step 1: Pray to Hermes for protection
-Step 2: Drink wine all day and somehow survive
-Step 3: Blame the christians
-Step 4: Celebrate some games where the responsible christians are eaten by lions
-Step 5: Profit
This sounds like Boris Johnson's plan for the UK!
That's basically the same in medieval times, just substitute "Hermes" with "Jesus" "wine" with "ale" "christians" with "jews" and "eaten by lions" with "burned in the stake"
Amazing how some things never change.
Caiã Wlodarski the circle of life
@Nom Anor These plagues actually did a lot to spread Christianity. Ancient sources point out that when pandemics occurred, pagans ran for the hills (like Galen did) while Christians stayed among the infected and cared for them. Read 'Rise of Christianity' by Rodney Stark who devotes a whole chapter to the plagues.
@@daniellewis5533 ✝️🛐 Jesu Christus Dominus et Deus
Not gonna lie, I am glad you would tackle this one
"Not gonna lie" what are you a copy cat parody? Every twat is saying "not gonna lie" FFS
@@indivestor not gonna lie you might have a point
@Aramis3737 not gonna lie I might be to late for this thread
@@xS1leNtRapt0rZ not gonna lie , you spelled 'too' incorrectly.
"Not gonna lie"
So if you don't say this disclaimer, that means you're lying.
People in 2020: It's a pandemic!
Ancient romans:
*Water, earth, fire, air. Long ago, the four nations lived together in harmony, but then the fire nation attacked*
Freaking Attila..
@@brent123456yo the air was filled with smoke and blood
and behold a red horse and powers was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth
But then the plague nation attacked
@@erikjohnson1684 And you ruined it.....
Do the Justinian ones. I think they are very important for the fall of the Roman world.
WEREN'T THEY GIANTS?
Rome ended when goths invaded Rome and sack it.
@Jace Rivera Rome ended when Augustus was appointed by the Senate
Ancient evidence suggests that perhaps a third died in affected areas. The low causalty rate of 10-15% is based on smallpox outbreaks in 19th century Europe - populations that had existing disease resistance.
Miasmas, or rather what lead to them, can actually be explained through evolutionary theory as humans tend to strongly dislike smells and tastes of certain things that can harm them. That's why we stay away from rotting matter, swamps and similar things. They are unsafe, and for a good reason.
Back in ancient times, they kinda had an innate sense of where diseases could come from, and they even tried to formalise that in the theory of miasmas (and other similar voodoo nonsense), but lacked a theory and the knowledge that could prove or disprove their ideas and build upon them.
You don't need a science theory to understand why you dislike the smell of shit, for example.
Hundreds of millions of years gives you hints.. Sadly lead was not something we needed to fear because it's generally underground. Though Romans did realise it was bad at a point there was no substitute economically viable. Why we need economy when it's held back our developments so much? Basically a competitive survival instinct manifesting in a unforeseen way. Without rewards can you get people to be productive? Slot machines are an interesting study of manipulated behaviors btw.
@Obiwank Keb34 Naum Rusomarov didn't mention animals. He wrote about human beings.
If you consider yourself an animal, that's another story.
@@carlos89784 Both having a science theory on why you dislike the smell of feces and our animal nature is worthwhile. It's only good to examine things. Especially things we take for granted.
I mean the Miasma theory was hardly voodoo as while proven untrue by modern scientific advances, it's theory and application did lead to effective disease prevention methods:
> Particularly notable in 19th century sanitation reform is the work of Joseph Bazalgette, chief engineer to London's Metropolitan Board of Works. Encouraged by the Great Stink, Parliament sanctioned Bazalgette to design and construct a comprehensive system of sewers, which intercepted London's sewage and diverted it away from its water supply. The system helped purify London's water and saved the city from epidemics. In 1866, the last of the three great British cholera epidemics took hold in a small area of Whitechapel. However, the area was not yet connected to Bazalgette's system, and the confined area of the epidemic acted as testament to the efficiency of the system's design.
>Years later, the influence of those sanitary reforms on Britain was described by Sir Richard Rogers:
>London was the first city to create a complex civic administration which could coordinate modern urban services, from public transport to housing, clean water to education. London's County Council was acknowledged as the most progressive metropolitan government in the world. Fifty years earlier, London had been the worst slum city of the industrialized world: over-crowded, congested, polluted and ridden with disease...
>The miasma theory did contribute to containing disease in urban settlements, but did not allow the adoption of a suitable approach to the reuse of excreta in agriculture.[26] It was a major factor in the practice of collecting human excreta from urban settlements and reusing them in the surrounding farmland. That type of resource recovery scheme was common in major cities in the 19th century before the introduction of sewer-based sanitation systems. Nowadays, the reuse of excreta, when done in an hygienic manner, is known as ecological sanitation, and is promoted as a way of "closing the loop".
>Throughout the 19th century, concern about public health and sanitation, along with the influence of the miasma theory, were reasons for the advocacy of the then-controversial practice of cremation. If infectious diseases were spread by noxious gases emitted from decaying organic matter, that included decaying corpses.
Your content makes self isolation much better. Thank you.
i was just about to go to sleep and then you drop this banger bless you
Antoinine Plague has a good chance to have originated in Han Dynasty China, through the Silk Road trade. Contemporary Chinese sources had recorded plagues breaking out in the dynasty. (One reason Yellow Turban Rebellion happened soon after)
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I just realized that the four element theory holds up in a..what to avoid sense.
Dont go from cold places to hot places back and forth all day long,
Being in cold places lowers the immune system being too hot makes dehydrated, too wet attracts fungi, too dry, cracked skin and infection, an imbalance of the elements pretty much just got translated too "conditions are not ideal for the body to defend itself effectively" they knew where the problems where most likely to happen, and why they were for the most part it seems, just without knowing everything else lol
"Man sieht nur, was man weiss" (Goethe) or "We see what we know." Our observations are shoe-horned, in Procrustean fashion, into whatever conceptual framework we happen to favour. Four humours, angry gods, poisoning, evolution, bacteria & viruses ...
After Isaac Newton's success in physics, clever people spent two centuries trying to explain biology and medicine in terms of two or three grand universal concepts, until they gave up after homoeopathy and osteopathy. Conspiracy theorists have continued that great tradition.
"This, Parthian Flu (...)"
-Marcus Aurelius
Racist
Parthia must be Destroyed !🌿👁️👁️🌿👍
@@Mike-gz4xn How could a People of a Republic that could enslave or make a Citizen of any Race, and did be Racist ?📚🏛️🏦🏛️
I am of the mind that Rome started the Plague, weaponised it, and sent it to us to send back to them in order to make me, the Shahanshah look bad!
@Erni Muja Carthago as well brother
The Antonine Plague: 2000 deaths/day in Rome
Italians during Covid-19 outbreak: Ah shit,here we go again.
Guys I know this is a harsh situation,please don't burn me at the stake. Sometimes,a bit of humour can help. Stay home and stay safe. The situation in Italy is heartbreaking,and although the USA surpassed Italy in number of cases,it didn't in number of deaths(as far as I know). So please,still keep a light open for our brothers and sisters in Italy and let's hope all of this will pass as rapidly as it came and that the world will be changed to the better,not to the worst
Alexandra Cenuse well said
*COMMENT STATING THAT ME THE INDIVIDUAL IS TRIGGERED WITHOUT READING THE STATED COMMENT FULLY*
@Stefan Urban bullshit, plus this time didnt even started in italy but in Germany and France
Nicola Mutton the Gauls and Germanic tribes want revenge.
@Stefan Urban except for when it doesn't 😂
More like INFECTA, amirite?
I see wot u did thar
too soon.
Roma Infecta!
I'll hold the door as you see yourself out.
Inflicta
Well, Hoarding Toilet paper certainly isn't the way they survived 😅
they hoard seashells instead
I mean, it sure did work with the Pharohs though
@@johnfraire6931 they had it under *wrap*
They hoarded sponges and sticks
Hoarding poo sponges..?
I would LOVE a video on more varying philosophies of medicine in the ancient world!
Damn so Avatar: The Last Airbender came from Ancient Rome?
yup
Ancient Greece is where four humors theory started..
@@samuellblake ouch
The Wuxing (五行) had five elements, but is basically the same idea.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_element
Gormiti too. Lol
It’s crazy how the first theory (elements) that you laid out makes sense if one doesn’t consider our background scientific knowledge. It’s a very creative and sensical solution.
Ancient WHO: “We declare this an epidemic, emergency praying and tribute to the gods, at your local temple”
The WHO has Satan on their logo.
@@scintillam_dei what the hell you talking about the symbol of WHO is the staff of Asclepius a son of Apollo who according to mythology can heal any disease and can also prevent death so it is quite fitting for the organization
@@nebsam7137 Greek myth is satanic, so you didn't contradict what I said. I just go deeper than your interpretation. Greek gods were obviously false due to their being selfish which does not match what can be known of the Creator(s) who gave us sight when we never did anything to deserve it, or hands, showing their great mercy, quite unlike Zeus the adulterer or some other satanic entity disguised as an angel of light such as Prometheus who refers to LVCIFER for he stole fire to give to man, and is supposed to be a savior to mankind, even though the real Prometheus wanted man to have fire so man would get burned, and that is why we are mortal. See "Proof Satan Rules The World Ergo The Bible is Right," a youtube series with over 3,000 slides of evidence. The UN logo has 33 sections. Masonry has 33 degrees. Disney has club 33. Masons run the world ever since Templars, who became "freemasons" took hold of all thrones when Europe conquered the world. Europe lost its grip, but not the shadow government.
@@scintillam_dei excuse you the Christian god is just as much a work of fiction as that of Greek mythology, in fact Christianity is literally a branch of Judaism and a combination of different old pagan religions I have done my research and the Christian version of god himself is cruel one example beginning the book of Job where god literally makes a mans life a living hell to win a bet against Satan,another thing is that you have no right calling this ancient religion satanic because during the transition of the Roman empire from Paganism to Christianity the bishops ran a relentless slander of paganism connecting their ancient rituals and symbols with that of the devil to gain power over the masses through fear of being damned to hell examples making the Trident of Poseidon the devil's Trident, Pentacle star of Aphrodite made the devils star etc. Bottom line Satanic is what the bishops of old used to slander any culture or idea that was not their own.
@@scintillam_dei And another thing the Bible be it the old or New testament rip off a lot of the Ancient religions of the time like that of the Sumerians who built the first cities yes THE FIRST CITIES, if you refer to the new testament you must know that that was a revised version of the old testament by MEN to acclimate to the political structure of time that being the 4 century AD many Gospels were deemed "untrue and heretical" by a council of bishops who may I remind you are MEN and so this MEN basically restructured the Bible to suit their political needs that needed to be met at the moment to safe guard the unity of the Empire influenced by multiple Roman Emperor most important of them being Constantine the Great plus what do you think you celebrate during Christmas?,Christmas was never a Christian holiday it is a pagan holiday know at the time as Sola Invictus the bishops to better help acclimate the new convert's adopted the pagan holiday into Christian so that the new converts who were pagans at first and celebrated Sola Invictus would feel at home in their new religion,if you refer to the old testament then that it self was a mishmash of different stories by different people from all across then Juba and as well some borrowed stories from other religions and this version of god is a straight up jack ass ,genocide of other peoples even women and children, enslavement laws condoned by the "just and merciful god" I don't mean to insult the religion but you must understand that they are a product of a different time
The Old Mosaic law showed great insights about quarantines, which animals were safe and unsafe to eat and handle, how to wash and stay clean, how to deal with mold in a house and on and on. More people should take time to study it in more detail.
thats because they had God with them
That Roman text sounded eerily just like something pertaining to Chinese medicine.
I guess all cultures had their "own" medicine in the past.
Today too rich urbanites from London, Paris, Milan run off to their second homes in the countryside. The rural folk don't like it, accusing them of bringing the virus with them & overwhelming the small local health centres.
That happens really everywhere....and the rural folk is correct with that assumption, especially considering that the local hospitals don't have the capacities, especially now.
I live in rural Appalachia, NC. About 1/4 of the license plates are Florida lately
@@dr.lyleevans6915 thats weird-- do you know why?
Me wondering how romans survived the plagues at 4 AM Invicta: Don't worry i got your back.
It seems to me like the Roman empire never recovered from the loss of population, especially in the army, caused by the plague.
Damn it, we forgot the sacrifices to the gods, now we're facing this plague!
I've been listening to the whispers of my snake god buddy so I'm all good : )
@@InvictaHistory Snake God?... Invicta is run by satanists confirmed!!!1
Bulls.
Knife.
Prayer to Apollo.
Vestal virgins.
Get on it, people!
@@InvictaHistory OMG, INVICTA IS NOW OWNED BY A CULT FOLLOWER!!!!!!
AAAAAAHHHH!!!!!!!!
@@corny8258 Time to launch a Crusade against Invicta.
Uploading at 1:00 AM requires dedication. Lol
It depends on your time zone.
ya at 9 Am here... Plus its not like he's got to go to work early the next day....
12 when he uploaded here
Not if he slept all Saturday.
The Antonine Plague was one thing that helped Christianity flourish even more in the empire. One thing that helped a plague victim survive was basic nursing; giving water and soup to a victim made the plague a lot more survivable. The pagan Romans abandoned their sick and either fled to the country estates or simply shunned the sick, leaving them alone in their houses. Christians provided basic loving care for each other, which meant a sick Christian had a much higher chance of surviving and so a lot fewer Christians died than the Pagans.
Not all pagans....& the people who ran away, were mostly the southern european pagans who were Saturnian & were essentially atheistic except for the fact that they could play with other people. Other religions were more tight-nit because they taught about how honor was more important than life....something only perhaps Stoics believed in. Christians believed in doing honorable things only because it was about preserving their reward in heaven....so yeah....Christians just sweetened the after-life in order to make people possibly stay behind & care for the sick & afflicted.
As for how frequent Christians stayed behind....look....Christians were dispersed during that time until Constantine made it safe for them to travel publically. Till then, Christians were not city-folk.
Without microscope technology, the idea of bad air was a pretty reasonable theory considering how many diseases were transmitted by airborne droplets or insect vectors like fleas and mosquitoes.
We need a video about the Plague of Justinian!
"The whole body breathes"...Krebs Cycle.
Uncle Ouch Holistic approach.
Uncle Ouch metabolic processes generally
Ah, yes. Krebs.
We really need to stop naming stuff after nazis.
@@wildfire9280 ; Even a Jewish refugee biochemist is a Nazis now?
@@wildfire9280 Well, it actually maned Szentgyörgyi cyvle, but thats just way too long.
Do an episode on the Justinian Plague please!
When the gods were playing ancient Plague Inc.
lol
Then the gods became losers and just became irrelevant.
@@zxera9702 No, they play it on Casual mode.
@@zxera9702 Apollo: That's a smiting. -_-
@Gery A Hahahahaha
200 years ago, when there was plague in a certain place, it was surrounded by a wall with everyone inside.
In Porto, for example, there were two outbreaks of plague. One in the 17th century, it developed on a street in the city center. The inhabitants of that street covered the windows, the doors, and all access to that street was also covered, many were left to their own devices. The last outbreak, in the 19th century, developed on an island, an area with houses all close together, in a poor suburban area near the city. The survivors were moved to hospitals and houses were burned.
Listen, the ‘t’ in ‘often’ is silent, like the ‘t’ in ‘listen.’
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If you lived during the Justinian Plague then R.I.P.
I would like to see a full episode on ancient theories on diseases!
Rome never recovered from this. Before the plague the population of the city was over 1 million, it would be over 1500 years before the city approached that population again.
Super hyped for a video on the Plague of Justinian.
Everyone:
Coronavirus: yall dead
Coronavirus: I am the cure for Earth
Lol. Pretty minor death toll percentages for a pandemic. Lot worse to come
Hydrochloroquine works. It's been used for 60 years on conditions as mundane as nocturnal leg cramps and Rheumatoid Arthritis. It's in the top 150 most prescribed drugs in the USA, and safe enough to use in pregnant women.
Numerous trials are finishing within the week from all over the world.
It's not a cure in that it can't stop the spread, but reduce symptoms and contagiousness.
It'll be an immediate relief on the medical system. An Easter re-opening is looking somewhat likely.
@@LiberalsGettheBulletToo yup. Its only bad for people when its fish tank cleaner :D
@@LiberalsGettheBulletToo And someone drank a completely different substance and people are angry at Trump for whatever reason.
loved it. Keep them coming.
Make a video on Roman welfare while we wait for those Caesarbux
Rome chapter 3: the GRAIN DOLE
Wow... I’ve never gotten a relatable video in my feed.... until now
Dear lord 15 years?? It really makes you grateful that we are imagining this global pandemic currently ending within a few months.
The aids pandemic lasted a long time.
Hi, I'm one year from the future...unfortunately it's still going on.
@@taln0reich LOL definitely a comment that aged poorly, forgot I wrote this, guess I was very optimistic at the time!
@@taln0reich I love how optimistic we are but know we are in it for the long haul
For quite some time the continuation of this has been man made.
Invicta Thank you so much for making the effort in these trying times!!!!
Primus, Secundus please. We're on a Latin chat smh
i just thought about this exact question a few days ago! staying on the ball man keeping history topical
"The Roman Plague..."
-Shapur II of the Sassanids
This is why many Europeans are immune to so many diseases
14:09 Nearly for sure. Thank you Aurelion
Great work with sound historical information, as always. Metatron asked his viewers what he should do a video on a few days ago. I said I would request this exact topic, because I was fascinated by it in my Roman Empire college class. But I also understand how people panic, and said it was likely the last thing they needed to see ATM. You handled it well, may it inspire caution
I find it interesting that the Imperial Roman government don't have too much centralize measures in dealing with relief efforts in times of plagues. Aside from grain doles from egypt because of their direct control, surely they have more means to deal with the on going plague?
I say this because comparatively, during both Western and Eastern Han, their emperors usually have more at their disposal to be applied (many key sectors had been monopolized by the Emperors such as salt, iron, liquor, forestry etc. It's a tradition that dates back to the Kings of Spring and Autumns period. Usually they would grant tax amnesty, grain relief, heavy price regulation and the granting for peasants to hunt on royal forests. The heavy price regulations extends to the Tang during periods of famine and plagues as well.
I am sure the Roman Emperors could apply similar measures to these right? Since they are still controlled variables?
Those measures are more applicable to a famine, which China faced almost regularly, between weather and locusts.
It's difficult to see what measures Rome could take against a plague, besides blocking a couple roads and closing ports. It's a more difficult problem to understand or address than a blight.
But considering food shortages, those port closures would be difficult to maintain without local rebellion and smuggling.
The Romans also wouldn't be able to shut down ports because it risked disrupting trade and the supply of food. A lot of Rome's food came from North Africa. Local cities and provinces could probably act to maintain stability during an epidemics, because they could maintain alternate sources of income ect.
Great topic and great plug!
Plague : basically Italy every few hundred years
It always coming from the east, so fuck off.
Just found this channel. Incredible channel.
Everything changed when the fire nation sneezed
Much respect that you would tackle this, I think alot of people would benefit greatly from hearing just how horrible pandemics where in the past in order to have something to mirror corona with.
As much as we like to think we're so much better off today, SARS-2 is a reminder that we're still just as vulnerable to disease and panic as people were in ancient times.
And what is more interesting, is we see real effects on economy back then, as well as just the large death tolls. Economy in plague situations can tank, and never fully recover; and people can die - like the Romans, years after the plague is done because of that. All the while people are screaming at the president for just stating "he HOPES" to be able to get the economy going by Easter, not even 'we will'. Because the economy isn't something that can just be "ah, you are not needed here" as any indefinite holding option for long cycles - people can die from hunger just as much as any plague; and even if they don't all die from that, the effects are real and long-reaching, doing decades many times. Trying to get good options that may help for both? Hard, but worth it; and trying to say things to support both - also, very worth it.
Simply not true. Our technology that can keep a person alive, breathing for them until the illness has run its course and the general knowledge of the public when it comes to how we get sick, the availability of soap and the ability to bathe and dispose of human waste away from where we live make modern people far better off.
There are some ailments and diseases, like polio that even in the 20th century was disabling people have all but been wiped out.
Not really, people can easily hear news about diseases and governments can act to stop its spread, if not individual people themselves (or a lot today seem to not be interested in quarantining themselves). In previous times news of a disease would probably only come once the disease hits the given area. And of course medical knowledge means that, for now, most diseases can have their symptoms controlled, and be identified for what they are quickly.
@@justinmartin4662 We are still very vulnerable. As it stands; this virus has all but broken containment. If you think otherwise, you haven't thought about it enough. We can lock down ourselves in quarantine, but for only so long - and it will stop the spread here for now... But it will spread from every other country still like a wildfire, and will simply hit us later. The hope here with COVID is a cure will happen soon enough, and we can delay it until we get it; but it will hit. 500k+ and counting, with it already getting 100k across the globe in a single day. It's progress is slowed in many of these nations; but certainly it will not be in all of them.
Now take this scenario and imagine: It is a more lethal strain, and a virus that isn't so easy to cure; which there are already several such viruses with no such easy 'cures' for years now, just nothing quite this transferable. Such diseases are possible, and this outbreak shows us just the set of circumstances that would have left us desperately vulnerable right now; and there is nothing our modern medicine could have done to stop it - and that is scary. The way to stop a disease like that, if it occurs in the future (and it will; be it in 10 years, or 300) - is to stop it at the source. And china bungled the shit out of it due to their corruption until all hope of any worldwide containment was all but over. This situation can still happen later; we should try to stop it; but we can only help these nations like ours that are far less corrupt here. A plague of the sort that would kill far more than even the plague of Justinian per capita - could still sweep most of all of the humans on the planet - to this day, despite medicine.
Buddy was onto something with the elements thing. Diseases such as malaria definitely do come when it's hot and moist because that's when mosquitoes are most rampant. If he would have also said something about viruses spreading most when it's cold and dry, he would have been pretty spot on.
Total war: Quarantine
A Total War game which had a pandemic mechanic would be cool, set during the Roman times, perhaps the Justinian Plague and the war with Persia.
@@markhenley3097 well the con is you know the plague ahead and prepared.
Great video. Looking at the map was there ever any plans to extend the roman borders to the carpathian mountains?
Yes! I'm so happy that you put this out. I was just thinking about how the ancients dealt with pandemics. Thanks
Medical History regarding epidemics brilliant useful perspective. Thank You. My favourite History Epidemiological heros are Dr Snow and Shapter of the British cholera epidemics in the early 19century. Smart chaps.
Corona outbreak : *exists now
Invicta : so guys, we explains about Antonine plague
Me : so far, yet so close to home
Huh?
it wasn't just "barbarian tribes" there have been plenty of formations around the empire and in the world in general, Carthage was its own thing before being conquered
Makes a video about Ancient Plagues
Namedrops Justinian at the end
𝗔 𝘀𝗲𝗰𝗼𝗻𝗱 𝗱𝗮𝘁𝗲 𝗶𝘁 𝗶𝘀 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗻
Its Byzantine's problem, not Roman's.
@@RexoryByzaboo Byzantines are Romans?
@@cinnamon3578 No, they're mainly Greeks or Armenians. And they spoke GREEK, not Latin (especially in Heraclius's reign)
@@RexoryByzaboo Roman is a political term. The “Byzantines” called themselves Romaioi (Romans) in Greek. Their empire as Basileia Rhomaion (Roman Empire) again in Greek. The Roman Empire has always been multicultural. They were Romans till 1453
Fella every Eastern Roman emperor considered themselves as the righful heirs of Caesar Augustus
Perfect timing great quick work 😊
Wow, those Parthians really got their revenge with their golden bio bomb.
revenge for what ?
NewsOracle lol I was thinking the same thing
After parthia suffers many defeat against Rome, their current king then sent a curse to the romans that result in Millions of death, dismantling the roman empire.
Somethings never change
Despite modern medicine, the first half of your video seems remarkably how a large subpopulation of the world view sickness today.
5 G
looking the 5 G zones !!!!
Great video I love you videos
Some of us (at least I kinda do) may cringe at these medical hypothesis back in those days but imagine what will people centuries later say about our medicine
Setiawan Setiawan they’ll think we were barbaric for making prosthetic limbs. They’ll just regrow it or something
They won't think anything, because germ theory is objectively true, and based on real evidence instead of speculation, they may laugh at our primitive ways to treat diseases, but never at what we know causes them.
"why didn't they just transplant their brain into a robotic exoskeleton? Idiots"
They may laugh at us, for our lack of foresight before it began.
They will mock us, for our lack of prevention once it settled.
And... I hope... they may cheer at the last page of the story, as it ends in a victory, that shall be forever celebrated.
Because otherwise... they shall stand in silence, as there will be no one left to tell this tale.
The scientific method is universal. Ever since its application in medical (a d other) sciences became standard, as long as it is properly observed, there is nothing that can be considered suboptimal about medicine.
The theoretical fundation for germ theory, and asepsis existed by 1850, it was simple bullheaded arrogance and traditionalism that prevented its widespread adoption. That attitude thankfully became significantly less prevalent by the late 1800s, and so it is safe to say the last 150 years of medicine have been uniformly the best possible with the tools availible.
It would be interesting to see your analysis of Laviticus methods of identifying leprosy , other diseases , ailments and methods of hygiene and treatments . It's very interesting . Just a thought .
This documentary is really missing live video footage from the time period. Otherwise, great documentary.
This video has gone viral
Damn 15 years !! people now can't wait 14 Days !
Imagine your entire childhood consists of people dying from the plague, now that's a trauma.
@@hungrymusicwolf Except you're also a slave.
@@LiberalsGettheBulletToo B R U H
14 days??? Hey, we just started this plague.
you got a lot of subs now !!
And we’re out acting like covid is this level of a plague
Very cool video. Maybe the next one will be about the plague in the times of Justinian.
10:16 Wow! Looks like Brazil!
Our governors are doing good work though...
@@gabriel300010 They are doing less of a mess then the federal government, but still not enough and most are certainly not doing all they can.
Our states just dont have quite the funds to do it, as far as I know it almost 70% of our taxes go to federal government, but please correct me if I am wrong. We should be doing more and sending more aid to make people stay home and keep their jobs, and to make more tests and prepare the intensive treatment, but the people interested in doing it dont quite have the resources to do it. Also the president cant go for 5 minutes without saying shit that will cost thousands of lives, so we are extra fucked.
@@gabriel300010 You have a point. But passing a measure against gatherings of more than 10 people would go a long way in at least making so that people like my dumb neighbor, that is throwing a party right now, and some evangelical fanatics do not inadvertently put everyone else at risk. This will not be made at the federal level, but states could take this measures inside their jurisdiction.
@@MephLeo enforcing these things is hard though, specially with the president getting in the way. Dont get me wrong I am all for it, but it is hard. Im not even sure how much authority municipalities have about what punishments could be dealt in that situation...
Historians inability to realise that plague ended the Pax Romana and destroyed the Roman Empire before the Arabs took it over shows obsession with basil and incompetence.
The origins could be chinese, since there are plagues mentioned in eastern Han documents right before 166 AD.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonine_Plague
Why do all the epidemics begin in China?
@@greatwolf5372
Because China has a lot of people and does a lot of trading.
@@brandon9172 Too simplistic, they eat the flying virus bags called "bats". Which are especially dangerous, because bats need a high metabolism rate to fly, which causes more cel/gene damage (more free oxygen molecules), which would trigger the immune system into overdrive. To avoid this, bats have a lowered immune system, which makes them excellent reservoirs for virusses (they also huddle together in groups).
Here is a SciShow episode about it: th-cam.com/video/iJ2jDPgvbTY/w-d-xo.html
@@Oheng75
China isn't the only country that eats bats, nor do most Chinese people even eat them. So yes, it does have to do with population.
@@brandon9172 No, population numbers do not explain why so many diseases originate from China. Sars, Bird flu, H1N1, Hong Kong flu, the Chinese flu, The Plague, and even the Spanish flu originate from China (since it is mentioned in China in the late autumn of 1917). China does not make up e.g. half of earth's population. Not now, and not then. Why doesn't India produce epidemics for example?
Is there a video about medical practices after battles?
5:16 "Draught" is pronounced like "Draft" here.
Also angina (sort of) rhymes with vagina
@@anaemic lool
@@anaemic How?
Do the Cyprianic plague next. There are a lot of videos about Justinian’s already.
Draught is pronounced, "draft." Draught is the British spelling.
Otherwise great video.
Angeena
Wait, American's don't spell it like 'draught'? Wow, you learn something new everyday!
10:50 It should be obvious why it had the opposite effect:
1. The people gathered in one place, to hear him
2. "Word of mouth" is synonymous to "Infection range" in that time.
Those big empires were particulary vulnerable to diseases:
- all the ability of a disease to spread via internal trade routes
- none of hte scientific knowledge to combat them effectively
- even the messengers transmitting the order for Quanrantine, might be infected
*aesculapius is the roman god of medicine
Nice. Great idea
Anyone here from schoolwork
hi tamas
@@rhysf2197 sup
Thank you for your work. I enjoy your stuff. Be well. D.
It's painful to listen to these ancient experts; and I'm sure in 100 years it will be painful for an educated person to hear our explanations of diseases and cures.
It's painful because I see them making fairly basic mistakes regarding logic and causality, and people are still making them today even though they are well known. It's like, even most smart people don't know much about using their brain. They just make mistakes at a faster rate than stupid people.
@@justinwbohner you apparently know NOTHING of diseases.
Invicta is sooo underrated, you deserve more and more subscribers
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