Imagine being a proud knight of Bretonnia. You've nearly defeated archaeon and the tide of chaos. You push him back to the North, and charge in for one final battle. You bravely gallop forward, only to see like 2,000 dudes bunched up in the corner, just fucking standing there. My AI would break too man
@@Isplodethings That's the irony. Norsca should be the one attacking and raiding the southern lands, but instead they're so weak, the roles are reversed.
@@ashisunblade Shaggoths is literally the best thing you can build on legendary difficulty which also performs well. They definately need that remake in W3.
@@axelmuller7946 I mean that it isn't great that shaggoths are the only viable thing. The shaggoths themselves are absolutely great but it's a great shame that Chaos can't play like the faction is supposed to without suffering for it.
@@ashisunblade you guys need to stop listening to legend who does the same thing every video and actually try and use other units properly too. Archaon with his faction effect increasing stats per chevron and his skill tree makes chosen super strong and huge tanks. They can tank multiple missile units firing at them and as soon as they close the distance they chop everything down in seconds. It simply isn't true that melee infantry is unusable trash on legendary.
@@devilsmessanger I simply use them as early game cavalry, hunt down archers and artillery, then when they are gone make them cycle charge enemy infantry. War beasts are great.
@@bluntlyhonest6803 Yeah im using them for beastmen atm too. Just parking them in vanguard behind the enemy to eat up all the archers once they're alone
I always like how this community is really quite mature and reasonable. They know when to ask for help, get told they did dumb sh** and how to fix it, then thank Legend for his help. No salt, no ego, it's really cool to see.
I will say that while honestly having full melee infantry isn't great on higher difficulties, the chaos roster doesn't really have anything to rely on early on. Shaggoths are the best thing they have, but it takes time to get those, so until then you're either spamming infantry and just hoping you don't end up in a disaster like this. Building a balanced army, which doesn't work too well as while hellcannons aren't bad on ultra, they do not do enough damage on ultra to be worth taking unless you have at least 3 of them. And even then it's not ideal, but they don't have any other ranged units besides skirmish cav, which can do well, but they're very weak to archers and other cav. But anything made early game only has one real goal, being decent enough that you survive until you get Shaggoths, cause honestly without using Shaggoths I'd find it very hard to manage a Chaos campaign without being constantly worried about ending up in a disaster. So yeah your army is kinda expected of a chaos army, though not having chosen instead of chaos warriors by this point is a bit of a mishap in my opinion. Otherwise it's just best to be extra careful as Chaos, as it's a hard faction to play as, Order Tide chases you to the Chaos wastes every so often, and Norsca is borderline useless as a vassal for taking care of enemies. The only thing they do is provide you a small income boost and at least provide a distraction for enemies.
16:50 You are EXTREMELY lucky those were only regular field trebuchets, since the crazy blessed variant got its melee def boosted by 20% with the recent patch! ;D
this is why I don't like to play in the upper end of the higher battle difficulty... I can't use the units I liked the most without cheesing the game to an extent and sure I can win... but I am disproportionally punished for using the units I liked more in favor of units I don't just for the simple fact that the AI gets absurd bonus in melee that made units which normally would've won in a straight up clean fight, loses... I mean, I get that this is the simplest difficulty slider... just add stats for the AI but it's frustrating to watch units that in every way, shape and form should normally win on a clean fight, like chaos warriors... struggling to kill basic cannon fodder infantries... Being forced to use certain type of units in that difficulty just to have a more tolerable battles... makes it so not worth it to play in that battle difficulty for me, I'd much rather increase the campaign difficulty.
It’s one of the things I have always hated about the TW series. Instead of ramping up the ability of the AI, as in getting them to do more advanced tactics, as the difficulty is ramped up they just artificially increase their stats. I started playing back in the original Shogun but never noticed this until Empire when I noticed that the AI on max difficulty fired faster and didn’t break, I think it was easier to notice in that game due to its focus on ranged as opposed to melee combat. It really irritated the shit out of me when a crappy unit of non vet line infantry could outshoot my 3 gold stripe unit of Guards. It’s just lazy coding.
@@kevinstobbs9134 Yeah, though to the exact extent remains to be seen, if they make the buffs too small without doing anything else, then the game becomes too easy for some. If they barely reduce the buffs then it'd still mean melee infantry would be discouraged in use (technically still more viable, but the difference between 20% to maybe 15% is not a big difference). I hope they cut the buffs to about half, maybe give them either more armor, or missile strength to make up the loss of melee stats, but those come with their own issues, admittedly an increase in armor isn't too big a deal for most cases, but increase in missile strength would be. But really I just wish that it was small buffs and instead the AI gets smarter on higher difficulties. As I'd rather be challenged tactically by the AI then be challenged due to melee and cav being not too viable.
Is totally viable to do a full infantry stack on legendary, you just must be really good at taking the right upgrades and traits, specially with Archaon. No chees need it. It gonna take a couple more turns to raze the entire world but they can do it.
@@ZxMoonLightxZ Viable with Archaon, yes, efficient, no. And given how often I play Chaos, I know how much of a pain it is to use anything other than Shaggoths. Namely against Empire, Dwarfs, and High Elves. If fighting lizards it's not as bad, if fighting vamp counts then you can use infantry just fine, Dark elves are a nightmare, greenskins are easy enough, tomb kings aren't too hard, etc. Basically the more missile focused a faction is, especially when they have armor piercing and artillery, the less viable melee infantry is. Now, even though it's not efficient, and not as good, I do still use Chosen, with Chaos Knights for Archaon, and 2 to 3 hellcannons, it's not as good as Shaggoths, and in some battles casualties are massive. It works, just not as well. Which is a shame, I want to use thematic armies, on harder difficulties, but it's not very effective, and it's much more trouble in most situations. It's also why I like Kholek so much, his thematic army, is the doomstack for the faction, Shaggoths and Dragon Ogres, it works well. Summoners of Rage are a good RoR to put in his army and will be very useful. I just want them to give Chaos more things to make them work, which will happen in game 3, just need to wait for it.
Bretonnian Cavalry: ''We've tried sending waves of peasants into waves of flaming heads and it didn't work. We have no idea what to do now, so we're just standing here while we think up a new plan.''
@@Witch_King He repeatedly broke Imperial Law- law put in place by his Father, The Emperor. He broke Big E's Webway project, forcing Emp to sit on the Golden Throne throughout the entire Heresy and fight daemons trying to invade Terra. He deliberately lowered Prospero's defences in an attempt at suicide by Space Wolves, only to decide last minute that it's stupid and fight the Wolves anyway, got his spine broken by Leman and sold his Soul to Tzeentch bc he's a coward and a moron... Magnus did precisely everything wrong and he DID betray his Father and Humanity.
@@edim108 Magnus got a second chance from the Emperor, so he didn't betray him. It's because he remained loyal to his legion and by doing so renounced the Emperor's second chance, that Tzeentch could claim him. Before that second chance there was no taint on Magnus, hence the second chance. Source: SOT: Fury of Magnus.
If you wanna have fun with the WoC, play on normal battle difficulty. Chosen, or even basic chaos warriors demolish everything in melee(if your opponent doesnt run away)
Yee it's why I play on normal battle difficulty and then mod in other stuff to bring the difficulty back up. All it does is discourage everything that isn't ranged or SEM spam, v poorly designed
Honestly chosen stacks are fine on legendary difficulty, chaos knights too. It's very satisfying to just walk at the enemy and blow through them when you get there, no matter what they choose to put in front. The real problem is people getting caught 2v1 in force march.
Interesting note, wedge has pretty big acceleration which might be why when you both changed direction, he could temporarily catch you. still not a great ability but I guess worth noting.
I remember that coast, and an army lead by Archaon who manage to run from Karl Franz with a Lupin III manouver 16:39 Thise three horsemen are now riding into the chaos realm, shiny amd chrome
Little tip when doing blob up formations like this is to select the blob after they're in position, and press the halt command, this makes it so they stop moving and doesnt lose the entirety of their vigour (yes i saw he did this but that was once the bretonnians were nearly upon them already)
I usually do at least 4 hell cannons, 4 heroes, and then a wall of chosen and warriors to protect the cannons in a corner while they and archaon shred.
Chaos with infantry spam uses essentially the same tactic that Vampire Lords with Skelli spam do. All units in one tight block, letting the enemy charge in and kill any missile unit with magic. Sadly Chaos doesn´t have the healing the Undead can cast on their troops, but they have higher combat stats and WAY more armour.
Why fight a battle like that? Is it because of the difficulty setting? I'd rather play on a lower difficulty and be able to utilize more tactics. It's so boring to fight a battle like that.
@@justinfrazier9555 Exactly. A shame most of the maps don´t feature a landscape you could properly utilize for large scale tactics, one of the main reasons why cavalry sucks in TWWH.
It looks like the Chaos dudes are just huddling together to try and keep warm from the freezing cold. Also at 16:12, I have seen the A.I move their troops around when I used artillery in normal difficulty so if the A.I does it, it’s not cheese.
As soon as i saw this army i thought: blob up, corner camp, and "Burning Head" 'em. After that: nah, it can't be, it wouldn't be a disaster battle if this is so easy. And then it was blob up, corner camp, and "Burning Head" 'em. I don't know what to think.
@@EJFreelancer no. I saw this tactic years ago, and actively use it. What i mean, is that easy to use, invented long time ago tactic which Legend show us all the time. I'd understand if this won't work for some reason and dude send it because of that. But it works, and for me it looks like dude sent it without even trying the most obvious way to win. Maybe I'm a bit harsh, but seriously, did he tried it?
To be fair there's very few options you as a player can do with Chaos early on. Given the general go to is to demolish the marauder building, get the chaos warrior building, and then spam those until you have built up enough growth to get more versatility in your army, which basically means, either using hellcannons and adopting the closest thing to a turtle playstyle you can as Chaos. Spamming Shaggoths or dragon ogres. Or trying to build a more cav focused army, or you can try to make a balanced army, there's no real guarantee it'll do well, but at least it'd not be all melee infantry, though honestly playing Chaos there is not really anything you can do, most of your best units are melee infantry, or heavy cav, Shaggoths are the best unit in the roster, but are expensive and you need to wait longer to get them than you would chosen or chaos warriors. So really there's no way to handle this well, that said this player is far enough into his campaign to have had at least chosen, but he doesn't which is a bit of a mishap in my opinion. Though really Chaos without mods is just a chore, so until they get reworked I'm not playing vanilla chaos again.
Ah the scary Chaos hoards.....They just tuned up in my current Ironbrow campaign..Normally never get to see them, Turn 125 they show up, I am clloecting my last Rune, so cleaning up clan moulder, Thorgim is doing a green skin rampage conquring half the map, He has 7 full stacks covering where Chaos spawns not forgetting riekland with as many close by. Chaos last only 2 turns of the game LOL. Weierdest campaign I have ever had with dwarfs, Eshin dead by turn 20, Imrik going strong, I wiped Clan mors on turn 9, Only skaven left was Moulder and spittle by turn 30, Hag grief was based in the Isles of the bad lands as they had lost all their home bases by turn 40.....never seen game play out like this before....
I honestly can't even use chaos warriors anymore. I love the units but by the time they're available the chaos warshrine is one growth point and one turn away so it seems foolish to me not to just wait a turn for chosen.
I had a disaster battle as Thorgrim yesterday against a full stack of savage orcs led by wurzag. I corner camped as it was the only way to survive and the AI just surrounded me but never got into melee. It was really weird. They charged repeatedly but every time they were a hair away they would just turn around and go back. Good for me though as my quarrellers could shoot constantly.
I know its nothing new, but man, the AI needs some serious work, that static artillery in the back is just beyond dumb. Hope they improve at least a little bit for Warhammer 3.
Just imagine, a single caster in the brettonian army. Chain Lightning, Thunder Bolt & Comet into that little party... gnnnnn you thought Archaon did well hmm? Even Life & Beasts magic... Awakening of Woods + Dwellers below into that blob. Beasts caster: well... that'd still be the entire army under flock of doom, armor or not. Maybe the bombardment of stone bound spell for good measure. Best use of a hero caster ever. I also think just how meme-worthy it would have been, if noble brettonians could have borrowed a single Skaven doom rocket. For flavour. Call it the holy warpstone grenade. vs Dwarves this would have truly been a disaster; maybe you'd still get the artillery... But burning head vs dawi armor is not so great, plus magic resistance; and then that little clump would look real nice to any flamethrower infantry, armor or not. Not to mention the AP dmg on the thunderers missile dmg etc. (oh, and the army wasn't 'full' of melee infantry. There was a hero, and 2 missile cav :p )
Please does anybody knows why if you have an alliance with dark elves at a certain point they just build dark arks instead of normal armies then they stay in proximity of one of their cities and get destroyed by enemies around. In the game I'm playing they literally have 10 of those and do nothing with them. Bug?
In all the best battles in Warhammer lore, the losing generals always lament the existence of the corner. Guess it's their fault for not scouting the battlefield properly.
I haven't played WoC in TWW2, however, in TWW1, just rush Shaggoths and that's it. I should probably give it a try in TWW2 but I expect it to be the same. Shaggoths are probably one of the strongest (maybe the strongest) possible doomstack you can have. You really don't want anything else than that and if horde works the same in TWW2 as it did in TWW1, then just get the lightning grounds and get an easy victory.
The amount of times disaster campaigns has had King Louen as the problem is a little funny. People should have learned their lesson by now! Louen will mess you up unless you got the gods of cheese on your side.
AI after charging twentie times with one cav unit and getting hit by two flaming heads: "What now?" "Same thing again" Ok and what about the other cav units standing by? "The what?"
Question: How do you defeat a greater foe with only bad melee infantry. Answer: Stack men on top of each other until they are a huge writhing mass. Slaenesh grades this answer and A Nurgle grades this answer and A+
So how should you construct your armies with choas? 🤔 I play a Chaos campaign atm and run mostly with 50% choosen and 50% sheogoraths and it works fine atm, but is there a better way?
Hey is there a guide to wh2 siege cheese? I have a disaster battle (but can’t send it in because I have a skill points mod), I have an empire main settlement with garrison, under attack by 3 skaven armies (most trash but also 8 big monsters). Any advice?
Open the gate so they can't destroy it, put gunners to shoot through the gate, use map choke points instead of fighting on the walls and abuse magic and artillery on the crowds in the choke point. I think that's an ok summary of siege stuff?
@@arthanor9631 Dang so I'm basically screwed. (The map is one of the worst siege maps - Kislev), I don't have any magic (since it is just Empire main settlement t3 Garrison) and only artillery is a mortar.
@@HNW00 yikes.. yeah, that's a difficult situation. But really, if all you have is a T3 garrison, it can't be that valuable of a settlement. If you were about to lose your faction leader and his army in a T5 settlement, that'd be bad, but this sounds more like the back and forth of a front. Use this as an opportunity to take something yourself or as a speed bump to give you time to setup a counteroffensive then roll over them while they try to recover. It's not about the battle, it's about the war.
@@arthanor9631 The issue is that this settlement is Kislev. I have 8 other armies down way south fighting the greenskins or in the west defending against Norsicans. (I thought my T3 garrison at Kislev could hold the northeast from Skaven but I was wrong). I don't have any regiments of renown or orgres that I can call, and all my empire core provinces (which produces the economy for my empire and upkeep for my armies) is open to be ravaged by the skaven after they break past Kislev. If I disband my southern/northwestern armies that are fighting the greenskins/norsicans, then I won't be able to hold those fronts either. Basically its over for my campaign (greenskins/noriscans/skavens don't want peace either).
Fireball is such a shit spell... always hits me for like 300 (none-regenerating character) but whenever I cast it there's always either a miss, friendly fire or it hits for like 50 hp. I mean it's a bound/free spell but I still think it's winds of magic cost is too high ;)
I'm hoping they sort out the battle meta and bring it back closer to the rock/paper/scissors style dynamic in earlier games. It seems ridiculous that the only meta for difficulties above normal is heros/mages and ranged + arty spam. They also need to fix the cavalry bug where they lose to basic infantry on a counter charge.
@@hallo-mt5tx nah, even if they one shot everything in one hit, they would just be so so at best. They are on foot trying to catch things that flies and gallops while arrows shred the shit out of them from afar, not to mention many of their troops are supposed to be more glass cannon as discussed in the reveals. It's gonna be a shitshow lol.
so how do you give move orders and keep the formation? like for example if I have my army spread out in formation and I want to charge forward but not break formation, how do I do that?
big question i have never been able to figure out how to do when moving troops. how do you keep the same formation when moving multiple entities, mine always resort back to the standard line and it is super annoying.
Select units. Holding left Alt, mouse left clik on one of the selected units, then holding the mouse button hower to the place you want to put them. Also when howering them with mouse, you can hold Ctrl and change the angel of placement.
Chaos warriors? Just go for chosen, 6 shields for the front, 3 great weapons for armor breaking and 2 halberds for big stuff A hell cannon because why the hell not 2 shaggoths, 2 wolves, 2 ogres with guns (and of course a lord and a fire mage) Marauders are kinda bad because infighting (although ogres suffer from it as well) never used the demon looking guys no clue if they are any good but those champion dudes with low entity numbers always seemed kinda lame to me, they are basically monstrous infantry without all advantages of monstrous infantry
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Imagine being a proud knight of Bretonnia. You've nearly defeated archaeon and the tide of chaos. You push him back to the North, and charge in for one final battle. You bravely gallop forward, only to see like 2,000 dudes bunched up in the corner, just fucking standing there. My AI would break too man
Bretonnians crusading trough norsca is a classic
Norsca crusading through Bretonnia is way more fun.
PTSD from the order tide
@@Isplodethings That's the irony. Norsca should be the one attacking and raiding the southern lands, but instead they're so weak, the roles are reversed.
Every damn Chaos campaign
Legend you wrong, the sender did not do everything - they forgot to add a giant to the army.
you monster you lol.
Maybe someone should send legend a giant doomstack
Player: *chooses to play on Legendary difficulty*.
Chaos warriors: Why are we still here? Just to suffer?
yeah their strenght is melee infantry. the only ranged option is hellcanon or marauder horseman and master. you cant spam those. what do you do then?
@@sangvinhun Shaggoths. It's the only viable non-hero unit Chaos has on legendary. It's not great.
@@ashisunblade Shaggoths is literally the best thing you can build on legendary difficulty which also performs well. They definately need that remake in W3.
@@axelmuller7946 I mean that it isn't great that shaggoths are the only viable thing. The shaggoths themselves are absolutely great but it's a great shame that Chaos can't play like the faction is supposed to without suffering for it.
@@ashisunblade you guys need to stop listening to legend who does the same thing every video and actually try and use other units properly too. Archaon with his faction effect increasing stats per chevron and his skill tree makes chosen super strong and huge tanks. They can tank multiple missile units firing at them and as soon as they close the distance they chop everything down in seconds. It simply isn't true that melee infantry is unusable trash on legendary.
50% Marauders, 50% War Hounds disasters incoming.
He'll just ignore them
say what you will, some amount of doggos can be devastating when used right
@@devilsmessanger I simply use them as early game cavalry, hunt down archers and artillery, then when they are gone make them cycle charge enemy infantry. War beasts are great.
The Gods have forsaken us!
@@bluntlyhonest6803 Yeah im using them for beastmen atm too. Just parking them in vanguard behind the enemy to eat up all the archers once they're alone
If legend one day dies and gets send to hell, he'll have to play these kinds of battles for all eternity
But as the AI
@@heimvar omg xD
@@heimvar 😧
nonono, hell have to watch. clockwork orange style. watch every mistake players make
@@heimvar oh my god vs corner camping ammo wasting players, thats true hell right there
Appreciated the help with this one big man first time playing very hard but will work on better armies
I always like how this community is really quite mature and reasonable. They know when to ask for help, get told they did dumb sh** and how to fix it, then thank Legend for his help. No salt, no ego, it's really cool to see.
I will say that while honestly having full melee infantry isn't great on higher difficulties, the chaos roster doesn't really have anything to rely on early on. Shaggoths are the best thing they have, but it takes time to get those, so until then you're either spamming infantry and just hoping you don't end up in a disaster like this. Building a balanced army, which doesn't work too well as while hellcannons aren't bad on ultra, they do not do enough damage on ultra to be worth taking unless you have at least 3 of them. And even then it's not ideal, but they don't have any other ranged units besides skirmish cav, which can do well, but they're very weak to archers and other cav.
But anything made early game only has one real goal, being decent enough that you survive until you get Shaggoths, cause honestly without using Shaggoths I'd find it very hard to manage a Chaos campaign without being constantly worried about ending up in a disaster. So yeah your army is kinda expected of a chaos army, though not having chosen instead of chaos warriors by this point is a bit of a mishap in my opinion. Otherwise it's just best to be extra careful as Chaos, as it's a hard faction to play as, Order Tide chases you to the Chaos wastes every so often, and Norsca is borderline useless as a vassal for taking care of enemies. The only thing they do is provide you a small income boost and at least provide a distraction for enemies.
Warriors of Chaos infantry use a formation called "Japanese subway train^^
Oh...
molester train? :D
@@teosandev6116 slannesh approved
16:50
You are EXTREMELY lucky those were only regular field trebuchets, since the crazy blessed variant got its melee def boosted by 20% with the recent patch! ;D
yeah that would affect much right
Yeah would have lost if not for that
@@LegendofTotalWar maybe...MAYBE!
this is why I don't like to play in the upper end of the higher battle difficulty... I can't use the units I liked the most without cheesing the game to an extent and sure I can win... but I am disproportionally punished for using the units I liked more in favor of units I don't just for the simple fact that the AI gets absurd bonus in melee that made units which normally would've won in a straight up clean fight, loses...
I mean, I get that this is the simplest difficulty slider... just add stats for the AI
but it's frustrating to watch units that in every way, shape and form should normally win on a clean fight, like chaos warriors... struggling to kill basic cannon fodder infantries...
Being forced to use certain type of units in that difficulty just to have a more tolerable battles... makes it so not worth it to play in that battle difficulty for me, I'd much rather increase the campaign difficulty.
It’s one of the things I have always hated about the TW series. Instead of ramping up the ability of the AI, as in getting them to do more advanced tactics, as the difficulty is ramped up they just artificially increase their stats. I started playing back in the original Shogun but never noticed this until Empire when I noticed that the AI on max difficulty fired faster and didn’t break, I think it was easier to notice in that game due to its focus on ranged as opposed to melee combat. It really irritated the shit out of me when a crappy unit of non vet line infantry could outshoot my 3 gold stripe unit of Guards. It’s just lazy coding.
Thankfully they've claimed to be addressing this in the next instalment. Apparently melee infantry will be more viable in 3.
@@kevinstobbs9134 Yeah, though to the exact extent remains to be seen, if they make the buffs too small without doing anything else, then the game becomes too easy for some. If they barely reduce the buffs then it'd still mean melee infantry would be discouraged in use (technically still more viable, but the difference between 20% to maybe 15% is not a big difference). I hope they cut the buffs to about half, maybe give them either more armor, or missile strength to make up the loss of melee stats, but those come with their own issues, admittedly an increase in armor isn't too big a deal for most cases, but increase in missile strength would be. But really I just wish that it was small buffs and instead the AI gets smarter on higher difficulties. As I'd rather be challenged tactically by the AI then be challenged due to melee and cav being not too viable.
Is totally viable to do a full infantry stack on legendary, you just must be really good at taking the right upgrades and traits, specially with Archaon. No chees need it.
It gonna take a couple more turns to raze the entire world but they can do it.
@@ZxMoonLightxZ Viable with Archaon, yes, efficient, no. And given how often I play Chaos, I know how much of a pain it is to use anything other than Shaggoths. Namely against Empire, Dwarfs, and High Elves. If fighting lizards it's not as bad, if fighting vamp counts then you can use infantry just fine, Dark elves are a nightmare, greenskins are easy enough, tomb kings aren't too hard, etc. Basically the more missile focused a faction is, especially when they have armor piercing and artillery, the less viable melee infantry is.
Now, even though it's not efficient, and not as good, I do still use Chosen, with Chaos Knights for Archaon, and 2 to 3 hellcannons, it's not as good as Shaggoths, and in some battles casualties are massive. It works, just not as well. Which is a shame, I want to use thematic armies, on harder difficulties, but it's not very effective, and it's much more trouble in most situations. It's also why I like Kholek so much, his thematic army, is the doomstack for the faction, Shaggoths and Dragon Ogres, it works well. Summoners of Rage are a good RoR to put in his army and will be very useful. I just want them to give Chaos more things to make them work, which will happen in game 3, just need to wait for it.
Bretonnian Cavalry: ''We've tried sending waves of peasants into waves of flaming heads and it didn't work. We have no idea what to do now, so we're just standing here while we think up a new plan.''
When the AI says: That is so much cheese i stop doing anything.
Laughed spontaneously at the caption knowing how irritated Legend gets when people do stupid stuff and get in trouble.
That's the biggest heavy metal rave party I've ever seen.
Nathan Explosion LL inbound for final FLC
5:08
Deadliest mosh pit of all time
Wow, this army is great mataphor of Magnus' story. He did everything wrong.
>:(
Magnus didn't betray.
@@Witch_King He repeatedly broke Imperial Law- law put in place by his Father, The Emperor.
He broke Big E's Webway project, forcing Emp to sit on the Golden Throne throughout the entire Heresy and fight daemons trying to invade Terra.
He deliberately lowered Prospero's defences in an attempt at suicide by Space Wolves, only to decide last minute that it's stupid and fight the Wolves anyway, got his spine broken by Leman and sold his Soul to Tzeentch bc he's a coward and a moron...
Magnus did precisely everything wrong and he DID betray his Father and Humanity.
@@edim108 Magnus got a second chance from the Emperor, so he didn't betray him. It's because he remained loyal to his legion and by doing so renounced the Emperor's second chance, that Tzeentch could claim him. Before that second chance there was no taint on Magnus, hence the second chance.
Source: SOT: Fury of Magnus.
Delete this
Another episode of my favourite series "The CHARGETHEM-dude and how his blade hungers".
actually rolls of the tongue nicely
Mortal fool!
The strat of just meld all your units together into a single blob in the most obscure corner possible seems like a chaos move
"I know the AI. They're reckless. You can use that to their advantage." Legend soundling like Ahab talking about the White Whale
AI: warning, unable to flank enemy, system is shutting down in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1
lmao they just have to flank you no matter what, its too funny
If you wanna have fun with the WoC, play on normal battle difficulty. Chosen, or even basic chaos warriors demolish everything in melee(if your opponent doesnt run away)
Yee it's why I play on normal battle difficulty and then mod in other stuff to bring the difficulty back up. All it does is discourage everything that isn't ranged or SEM spam, v poorly designed
@@hazel5049 What mods do you use?
chosen demolish everything on very hard battle difficulty
@@grimreaper492 *Laughs in Hellstorm Rocket Battery*
Honestly chosen stacks are fine on legendary difficulty, chaos knights too. It's very satisfying to just walk at the enemy and blow through them when you get there, no matter what they choose to put in front. The real problem is people getting caught 2v1 in force march.
That paladin must have been a relative of Leeroy Jenkins, he just flew into the thickest blob of enemies.
20:55 Some instant karma there legend. Make fun of wedge formation immediately before getting clipped thanks to wedge formation charge speed bonus.
Turn speed bonus as well, if I recall
I think this is the first time I've seen the AI be confused so hard that it just completely blue screens
I love it
14:40 Burning head actually doesn't do any AP damage so it's pretty safe to drop it danger close on high armor troops.
0:34 you could say *puts on sunglasses* "he should have Chosen better"
Archeon's clipping helmet makes me angry.
Brettonia: we'll wipe out chaos today!
Archeon: you cant wipe out family
vind deisel thank you so much for that reference my dude
"It's too tight" "He can't get through because it's too thicc" "it's hard to squeeze" Legend really chose to play Slaanesh early
Lmao
your mind has already been touched by the lord of earthly gratification it seems
That burning head was SO SPICY, when it turned!
Interesting note, wedge has pretty big acceleration which might be why when you both changed direction, he could temporarily catch you. still not a great ability but I guess worth noting.
I use it because it helps prevent calv from getting stuck. Its also a charge bonus so you get a bit more damage
I remember that coast, and an army lead by Archaon who manage to run from Karl Franz with a Lupin III manouver
16:39 Thise three horsemen are now riding into the chaos realm, shiny amd chrome
Little tip when doing blob up formations like this is to select the blob after they're in position, and press the halt command, this makes it so they stop moving and doesnt lose the entirety of their vigour (yes i saw he did this but that was once the bretonnians were nearly upon them already)
Flaming head rips through a couple hundred peasents, blood curdling screams ensue, Legend: "Cool"
The guy saw what legend told him to do and said: No, I don't think I will.
I usually do at least 4 hell cannons, 4 heroes, and then a wall of chosen and warriors to protect the cannons in a corner while they and archaon shred.
6:38 Archaon said "Die in arcane fire!" ... and that's exactly what they did.
90% of problems in TW can be solved by wasting ammo and corner camping 🤣
99% by not using melee infantry
Perfect timing with Tariffs new video where Bretonia raids Norsca
blob in corner and cast funny spells - pinnacle of strategy
it looked like a skeleton spam army where the lord does the work as caster and is protected by the blob.
Chaos with infantry spam uses essentially the same tactic that Vampire Lords with Skelli spam do.
All units in one tight block, letting the enemy charge in and kill any missile unit with magic.
Sadly Chaos doesn´t have the healing the Undead can cast on their troops, but they have higher combat stats and WAY more armour.
Why fight a battle like that? Is it because of the difficulty setting? I'd rather play on a lower difficulty and be able to utilize more tactics. It's so boring to fight a battle like that.
@@justinfrazier9555 Exactly.
A shame most of the maps don´t feature a landscape you could properly utilize for large scale tactics, one of the main reasons why cavalry sucks in TWWH.
@@justinfrazier9555 Everyone enjoys the game in their own way and that's okay.
That first burning head cast was incredible.
10:08
"So Abaddon so far has done about... 40K damage."
Don't think I've ever had a fireball hit a flying character.
Level 15 Archaon on turn 50. Got to be way more agressive than that.
Melee Infantry spam only really works if your Legendary Lord buffs them und you fully went the red line for the specific unit type
That's what I end up doing like 95% of the time on chaos campaigns. I love my chosen too much to use anything else
It looks like the Chaos dudes are just huddling together to try and keep warm from the freezing cold.
Also at 16:12, I have seen the A.I move their troops around when I used artillery in normal difficulty so if the A.I does it, it’s not cheese.
As soon as i saw this army i thought: blob up, corner camp, and "Burning Head" 'em. After that: nah, it can't be, it wouldn't be a disaster battle if this is so easy. And then it was blob up, corner camp, and "Burning Head" 'em. I don't know what to think.
Means you’re learning
@@EJFreelancer no. I saw this tactic years ago, and actively use it. What i mean, is that easy to use, invented long time ago tactic which Legend show us all the time. I'd understand if this won't work for some reason and dude send it because of that. But it works, and for me it looks like dude sent it without even trying the most obvious way to win. Maybe I'm a bit harsh, but seriously, did he tried it?
The arty crew must be furious for not taking part and shooting this once-in-a-lifetime blobb formation.
Archaon's gonna bring the Old World to ruin, but he's still bloody spewin' that he couldn't kill Louen.
holy shit the first burning head
The guy was like "you are not my dad"
"OoOoOh WeDgE fOrMaTiOn So DaNgErOuS"
"AH DAMMIT THEY CAUGHT ME."
Bretonia: WE HAVE ELITE CAV FORMATIONS!!!
Chaos: B L O B ! ! !
I only used this tactic in Rome Attila, using the Defensive testudo.
Didn't think this would work. Wow very easy victory.
Legend using the Fireball bounds? Truly it is a desperate day.
To be fair there's very few options you as a player can do with Chaos early on. Given the general go to is to demolish the marauder building, get the chaos warrior building, and then spam those until you have built up enough growth to get more versatility in your army, which basically means, either using hellcannons and adopting the closest thing to a turtle playstyle you can as Chaos. Spamming Shaggoths or dragon ogres. Or trying to build a more cav focused army, or you can try to make a balanced army, there's no real guarantee it'll do well, but at least it'd not be all melee infantry, though honestly playing Chaos there is not really anything you can do, most of your best units are melee infantry, or heavy cav, Shaggoths are the best unit in the roster, but are expensive and you need to wait longer to get them than you would chosen or chaos warriors. So really there's no way to handle this well, that said this player is far enough into his campaign to have had at least chosen, but he doesn't which is a bit of a mishap in my opinion. Though really Chaos without mods is just a chore, so until they get reworked I'm not playing vanilla chaos again.
When in doubt mimic vampire counts
23:06 "They just turned off"..."Oh shit!" XD
Ah the scary Chaos hoards.....They just tuned up in my current Ironbrow campaign..Normally never get to see them, Turn 125 they show up, I am clloecting my last Rune, so cleaning up clan moulder, Thorgim is doing a green skin rampage conquring half the map, He has 7 full stacks covering where Chaos spawns not forgetting riekland with as many close by. Chaos last only 2 turns of the game LOL. Weierdest campaign I have ever had with dwarfs, Eshin dead by turn 20, Imrik going strong, I wiped Clan mors on turn 9, Only skaven left was Moulder and spittle by turn 30, Hag grief was based in the Isles of the bad lands as they had lost all their home bases by turn 40.....never seen game play out like this before....
I honestly can't even use chaos warriors anymore. I love the units but by the time they're available the chaos warshrine is one growth point and one turn away so it seems foolish to me not to just wait a turn for chosen.
Three times you said you's peek at the skills- and didn't. Vastly amusing!
I had a disaster battle as Thorgrim yesterday against a full stack of savage orcs led by wurzag. I corner camped as it was the only way to survive and the AI just surrounded me but never got into melee. It was really weird. They charged repeatedly but every time they were a hair away they would just turn around and go back.
Good for me though as my quarrellers could shoot constantly.
This guy was clearly trying to play Archeon like he was a vampire count, and those melee infantry units were just reskinned skeletons.
How do you move the troops as one by keeping them in formation, but not grouping them? It’s done at 4:25
If you want to keep the formation while moving them you press alt left click and if you want to rotate the formation you press alt control left click
I know its nothing new, but man, the AI needs some serious work, that static artillery in the back is just beyond dumb. Hope they improve at least a little bit for Warhammer 3.
Archaon von Carstein adheres to his traditional tactics
The most disastrous campaigns make the funnest of videos with the most broken ai xD
Archaon giving Leoncoeur burning heads😂
5:34 companies on July 1 be like
when there is so much cheese the AI gets too stoned to react.
So much cheese I'm now lactose intolerant
Just imagine, a single caster in the brettonian army.
Chain Lightning, Thunder Bolt & Comet into that little party... gnnnnn
you thought Archaon did well hmm?
Even Life & Beasts magic...
Awakening of Woods + Dwellers below into that blob.
Beasts caster: well... that'd still be the entire army under flock of doom, armor or not.
Maybe the bombardment of stone bound spell for good measure. Best use of a hero caster ever.
I also think just how meme-worthy it would have been, if noble brettonians could have borrowed a single Skaven doom rocket. For flavour. Call it the holy warpstone grenade.
vs Dwarves this would have truly been a disaster; maybe you'd still get the artillery...
But burning head vs dawi armor is not so great, plus magic resistance; and then that little clump would look real nice to any flamethrower infantry, armor or not.
Not to mention the AP dmg on the thunderers missile dmg etc.
(oh, and the army wasn't 'full' of melee infantry. There was a hero, and 2 missile cav :p )
Please does anybody knows why if you have an alliance with dark elves at a certain point they just build dark arks instead of normal armies then they stay in proximity of one of their cities and get destroyed by enemies around. In the game I'm playing they literally have 10 of those and do nothing with them. Bug?
i am still disappointed that Archeon only gets a flaming donkey as the only mount choice ...
Hey Legend
The heroes were constantly forgetting your orders and not attacking louen and the hero because they were on guard mode
The snooty Bretonnian accent was perfect.
I really want to try a chaos campaign now where I just spam chosen and use the Chaos moshpit tactic in every battle
In all the best battles in Warhammer lore, the losing generals always lament the existence of the corner. Guess it's their fault for not scouting the battlefield properly.
I haven't played WoC in TWW2, however, in TWW1, just rush Shaggoths and that's it.
I should probably give it a try in TWW2 but I expect it to be the same. Shaggoths are probably one of the strongest (maybe the strongest) possible doomstack you can have. You really don't want anything else than that and if horde works the same in TWW2 as it did in TWW1, then just get the lightning grounds and get an easy victory.
I just hit up the wood elves cluster with an army of skelly spam. turn 150...this is not a disaster xD
The amount of times disaster campaigns has had King Louen as the problem is a little funny. People should have learned their lesson by now! Louen will mess you up unless you got the gods of cheese on your side.
Pretty surprised at the maruader horsemen usefulness
AI after charging twentie times with one cav unit and getting hit by two flaming heads:
"What now?"
"Same thing again"
Ok and what about the other cav units standing by?
"The what?"
That map was really phallic.
Question: How do you defeat a greater foe with only bad melee infantry.
Answer: Stack men on top of each other until they are a huge writhing mass.
Slaenesh grades this answer and A
Nurgle grades this answer and A+
Romans vs Parthia: "Wat about us!?"
So how should you construct your armies with choas? 🤔 I play a Chaos campaign atm and run mostly with 50% choosen and 50% sheogoraths and it works fine atm, but is there a better way?
Hey is there a guide to wh2 siege cheese? I have a disaster battle (but can’t send it in because I have a skill points mod), I have an empire main settlement with garrison, under attack by 3 skaven armies (most trash but also 8 big monsters). Any advice?
Open the gate so they can't destroy it, put gunners to shoot through the gate, use map choke points instead of fighting on the walls and abuse magic and artillery on the crowds in the choke point. I think that's an ok summary of siege stuff?
@@arthanor9631 Dang so I'm basically screwed. (The map is one of the worst siege maps - Kislev), I don't have any magic (since it is just Empire main settlement t3 Garrison) and only artillery is a mortar.
@@HNW00 yikes.. yeah, that's a difficult situation. But really, if all you have is a T3 garrison, it can't be that valuable of a settlement. If you were about to lose your faction leader and his army in a T5 settlement, that'd be bad, but this sounds more like the back and forth of a front. Use this as an opportunity to take something yourself or as a speed bump to give you time to setup a counteroffensive then roll over them while they try to recover. It's not about the battle, it's about the war.
@@arthanor9631 The issue is that this settlement is Kislev. I have 8 other armies down way south fighting the greenskins or in the west defending against Norsicans. (I thought my T3 garrison at Kislev could hold the northeast from Skaven but I was wrong). I don't have any regiments of renown or orgres that I can call, and all my empire core provinces (which produces the economy for my empire and upkeep for my armies) is open to be ravaged by the skaven after they break past Kislev. If I disband my southern/northwestern armies that are fighting the greenskins/norsicans, then I won't be able to hold those fronts either. Basically its over for my campaign (greenskins/noriscans/skavens don't want peace either).
Fireball is such a shit spell... always hits me for like 300 (none-regenerating character) but whenever I cast it there's always either a miss, friendly fire or it hits for like 50 hp. I mean it's a bound/free spell but I still think it's winds of magic cost is too high ;)
@@deadlyydude5522 Larger explosion radius would be better than more damage imo. Or maybe a bit of both.
And this is why khorne's faction is gonna get super duper kucked in total warhammer 3
I'm hoping they sort out the battle meta and bring it back closer to the rock/paper/scissors style dynamic in earlier games.
It seems ridiculous that the only meta for difficulties above normal is heros/mages and ranged + arty spam.
They also need to fix the cavalry bug where they lose to basic infantry on a counter charge.
@@TheZombiemofo hope for the best prepare for the worst.
@@hallo-mt5tx nah, even if they one shot everything in one hit, they would just be so so at best. They are on foot trying to catch things that flies and gallops while arrows shred the shit out of them from afar, not to mention many of their troops are supposed to be more glass cannon as discussed in the reveals. It's gonna be a shitshow lol.
Hmmm...needs more high-pitched Legend mocking his viewers. It's a meme after that last video and I am coming exclusively for that experience, now.
Well you're in luck because it's not a new meme, he's been doing it for years. Just watch more of his videos to hear it more i guess
so how do you give move orders and keep the formation? like for example if I have my army spread out in formation and I want to charge forward but not break formation, how do I do that?
alt + click
big question i have never been able to figure out how to do when moving troops. how do you keep the same formation when moving multiple entities, mine always resort back to the standard line and it is super annoying.
Select units. Holding left Alt, mouse left clik on one of the selected units, then holding the mouse button hower to the place you want to put them.
Also when howering them with mouse, you can hold Ctrl and change the angel of placement.
To much chees for the AI to swallow, the AI like "Fuk it ill better die" xD
Isn't there a way to get rid of force march stance with recruiting new lord? (replacing existing one in the army)
Norsca belongs to the Peasant
Just reading the title i had to see how bad this guy F*cked up
Don't do what Johnny Don't does.
Chaos warriors?
Just go for chosen, 6 shields for the front, 3 great weapons for armor breaking and 2 halberds for big stuff
A hell cannon because why the hell not
2 shaggoths, 2 wolves, 2 ogres with guns (and of course a lord and a fire mage)
Marauders are kinda bad because infighting (although ogres suffer from it as well)
never used the demon looking guys no clue if they are any good
but those champion dudes with low entity numbers always seemed kinda lame to me, they are basically monstrous infantry without all advantages of monstrous infantry
@@fucku6556 i see, sounds useful
But legend watching melee boyos (if they make it last archers guns horses and arty) are so fun to watch slough it out