Football, A Different Way: German Fan Activism
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ม.ค. 2019
- German supporters show that far more powerful forces can be defeated, or at least held at bay, through solidarity, organisation and just sheer numbers. 2018 was a good year for German supporter activism. But next year they will have to do this all over again. Because power and money never sleeps.
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#Bundesliga #EPL #RBLeipzig - กีฬา
Football is nothing without the fans. Germans know.
Germany may not have the same level of star power as la liga or the EPL, but it's become my favorite league by a good distance because the passion from the supporters is unmatched. Last year after saving for a few years I had the opportunity to watch a game at signal iduna park (i'm american) and it was unbelievable! I wasn't even a dortmund fan and I had chills at how electric the crowd was (against stuttgart, not even bayern or schalke). Cheers to hoping the activism continues to work and German football stays as passionate and fan driven as it is now!
You should come to South America, specially Uruguay and Argentina.
+Fede, that's not electric, that's murderous.
@@fedefox8 Uruguay is a two horse race for the title every year.
Awesome, dude!!! I live 500m from the Stadium, you picked the right place to go !
@@yaboijoshua9360 And your point is? Show me a winner outside Bayern and Borussia. Real and Barca, Liverpool or City, Celtic or Rangers, Juventus and Juventus, PSG and PSG.
Just saying: "Football how it's meant to be"
Sadly, a dying breed.
A league dominated by one team every year? The one who strips any good player from other teams? Yeah real football 👌
@@BizzyIzzy87 fans are more important in the bundesliga. 50plus1 rule is the best.
Excellent content
Beautifully organised
Never fails to satisfy
My country Sweden also has the same rule (51%). Ticket prices for the standing sections is cheap and that creates a very good atmosphere, especially at derbys and at the same time being very well organised. The rule also obviously means that a single owner or company can’t buy a club totally. The supporters here are very passionate about retaining the rule. And yes, whilst the league may never be a competetor for the top 5 leagues, it focusoses heavily on the supporters and what is football without true local supporters?
Visited Stockholm a couple of years ago and managed to get a ticket to the Hammarby vs Djurgardens match, an absolute mad house, yes it will never be EPL or La Liga but who cares, it doesnt have to be, just the passion in the stands was worth the ticket price.
zakwan10 Oh Nice in fact those teams are the rivals to my team (AIK), but i have to say i agree 100% with you. Football is nothing without true supporters
WRchamp10 I hate you guys! I am also from Stockholm but I am with GÖTEBORG. It’s sad but ever since we sold many of youths like Pontus in 2017,we suck! I mean the whole season was so horrible, we played so bad! Lost most of the matches and 2 years back we were amongst Malmö and AIK but now? We barely survived relegation! I hate it tbh
Bundesliga Facebook page has the best admin compared to all leagues.
TH-cam admin is the best
@@gurung1812 Those commentators... Simply amazing
same for german clubs on twitter
Adminho is the best
adminho
Now I want a "Püffen" cigarette.
I'd like to say that I really enjoy your videos Tifo Football, I'm sure they take a while to make and edit and I really appreciate the hard work, keep grinding
I sometimes have the feeling that Premier League fans don't really know that german clubs can't spend so much money. At the end of the season the last one in the Premier League gets more money than Bayern as first place in the bundesliga. I'm a Bremen fan and I'm happy when my club is able to do a 5million transfer!! That is lower championship level in terms of money. On the other hand there are Prem clubs which spend 40 million for players who barely play. The Prem is losing it's identity because they only buy complete foreign stars.
Sugar Cane Habt ihr nicht 12 Millionen (oder mehr) für Klaassen ausgegeben?🤔
Aber ich verstehe was du meinst, solange man nicht BVB oder FCB ist, wirds bei zweistelligen Summen schon schmerzhaft, während man in England 25 Millionen für Yarmolenko bezahlt
@@DerAbomensch Stimmt schon aber für Klaassen haben wir einmal sehr tief in die Tasche gegriffen. Das entspricht nicht der Normalität. Sonst geben wir aber nie zweistellig für einen Spieler aus deswegen wäre das irreführend wenn ich das anders geschrieben hätte.
Vllt liegt das auch daran dass ich Hannover Fan bin, aber eure Mannschaft ist ja allein schon namhaft stark (in der ganzen Bundesliga). Ich dachte daher immer dass Bremen sowieso etwas finanzstärker ist als jetzt beispielsweise H96, Fortuna, Freiburg, Mainz, Augsburg
@@DerAbomensch Ich glaub Bremen ist finanziell mit den genannten Vereinen auf einer Wellenlänge gewesen, aber durch die guten Transfers haben wir halt sehr viel Profit gemacht. Delaney zum Beispiel war ein absolutes Meisterwerk genauso wie Pavlenka und Augustinsson. Die kannte kaum einer und die wurden für wenig geholt. Delaney alleine hat ja schon 18 Mio. Profit gemacht. Augustinsson gehört zu den besseren Linksverteidigern in der Bundesliga und Pavlenka ist für mich der beste Torwart der Bundesliga momentan. Maxi Eggestein hat sich auch zur absoluten Stammkraft entwickelt und für den haben wir gar nichts bezahlt. Der Faktor der alles so gut macht ist für mich Kohfeldt weil wir durch ihn ansehlichen Fußball spielen und dabei die Ergebnisse nicht vernachlässigen.
"The Prem is losing its identity because they only buy complete foreign stars." You'd get called racist if you said that in Britain. On the upside, while we buy your overpriced players, you get our good young players who can't get a game in England because we buy your overpriced players.
Here in the midst of the Super league scandal. Funny how they wanted to abolish the 50+1 structure, when EPL fans are calling for it to be introduced in England.
Well, I think the voices of these who whanted to abolish 50 plus 1 are quiet now. We have seen what happened in England and Italy, so its not dumb to keeping it. But the other side is, that the english fans seem to woke up now. I think the EPL is still the most attractive league in europe, but there are few things that gone in a wrong direction. More business, less football for the fans. But I always thought that the importance of football and the way it is lived by the fans in England is very similar to us in Germany. And now, if I see the fans from LFC and ManU and so on, stand up and dont take all of this anymore, it is really impressive. But I still wonder what is going on in Spain and Italy? Italy foremost with its huge amount on organized ultra groups?
I lived in London for many years, became a Tottenham fan in my period there I went to the stadium 3 or 4 times. In Germany I was at a Bundesliga game on my first weekend and I lost count how many times I went to a game
If only fans in England could follow suit...
Plenty of tourists to take our place
Or it could be a way to get international fans more invested in the club. Treat us as full members and work with us to show muscle
@@darthpenguin3320 - You say that Mr Penguin, but we don't actually know that for sure as English football fans have never actually shown the balls and boycotted matches by the tens of thousands.
We might see it with Newcastle this year.
I think it's a great idea to stop following English football
@@young321bookie You'll only see us kick up a tizzy once Rafa leaves, but it's 2019 so you're right.
I'm off to Germany next month to watch Dortmund vs Leverkusen - It was cheaper to do so than go down to London and watch Chelsea away....
No wonder why German football is so successful with 4 world cups and 3 Euros.....The most successful team in Europe and one of the very best in world football surprassing many great football teams that's why I'm a fan of German football since decades now....❤
Hey I think I've seen you under a different video :D
@@dahabaufnacken960 I'm quiet frequent in this page
The most consistently successful nation in world football, even ahead of Brazil.
Germany is like Batman. They know courage, hard work, tactical planning, unity and consistency can always beat pure talent and skill. Lol.
USA: "Hmmm..., seems like Bundesliga needs some freedom and democracy"
Power and Money Never Sleeps... That sums the football ownership scenario in all major leagues across the globe...
Quality content, as a Liga MX fan, i never knew about this. I assumed the big European leagues all had investors
I see Europe is already getting ready to boycott the super league
Apparently it's not happening, thankfully.
@@Harry-nn1dy I would never support a team that entered it if it happened, it shows they have even stopped pretending to care about their fans.
Exactly.
@@Harry-nn1dy This aged well huh
@@Harry-nn1dy where are you man?
Shout out the the £3,500.99 Plymouth argyle ticket. I guess it’s that dear in 2021 because of the quality of football the mighty greens will be playing then.. 😂✌🏻️
what I like about the Bundesliga is that it still seems to be pretty "authentic" meaning that (ok Bayern excluded) all the teams seem to have a period of success (top 3 or very near) and decline when they are near or in the bottom 3
this makes the league interesting to watch and much more reliable on cultivating the "normal" players and making them push for better and better performance because each such a "normal" player turning into a "top" player or at least a gamechanger can mean you are gonna battle for the Europa league or even Champions league depends just on how many such player transformations you will be able to make
this also allows teams to continuously introduce young players to the team pushing for them to become the next "top" players and hence securing for the team place in the top 7 (or similar) when also in the same time this gives a big chance for the players from leagues that f.e. Premier league has no interest in f.e. Poland, Czech, Slovak, Swiss, Austrian etc. because in Germany since the clubs do not have 40mils to spend on one player they try their luck with cheaper yet promising players from such countries giving them a change to prove themselves on this level and probably become top players and move to PL or elsewhere - this was not mentioned in the video and I believe is a for a lot of football fans from those countries a national team savior
anyways a great video I only can wish the articles on BBC or other websites (not even starting on those from my country - Czech Republic) would be so informative and good to read as this video
Those animations are an absolute delight. That last transition was so clean. Channel gets better and better.
Thanks Luke! - Joe
"German supporters show that powerful forces can be defeated or at least held at bay by solidarity, organisation, and numbers."
And English supporters showed that yesterday. Historic.
Respect from Germany. I always thought english fans lost alot of powers but the last days i got proved wrong
Working class prices, safe-standing and pints in ground ❤
0:38 is that an ARGYLE ticket???
The video just got even better
No other channel would have explained it so perfect in 8 minutes, love you guys
Amazing video, great content. Keep up the good work.
P.S.: Will you do any of those traveling game vlogs you did in the past?
i love football for the game and the energy, money will kill that one day as money is draining all of that out of the sport
we've always got the bundesliga
All that is solid melts into air
Yeah as much as I don't want to admit that it's most likely true. Football doesn't lack in competition that much and isn't in a sponsorship crisis but it's more about who earns more money than the others which can become an issue.
Same with all good things in arts and sciences, too - as in sports, and so much other in society, too. Well... let's kill money first, then!
This channel is so underrated, inspiring content.
That’s it your videos are so good I don’t even follow football (I’ve only watched one full football match in my life during World Cup) and I’m signing up as a member.
Thanks Marcel! That'd be awesome. - Joe
My club in Norway is adding standing sections in its new stadium aswell, will hopefully make more people join, right now the supporter group is small, despite being right next to the capital (highly populated to be a small country)
Could you do a video on the structure on Borrisia Dortmund? Their transfer model and organisation is outstanding - would love to learn more
Good explained and I hope for the next 10-20 years the Bundesliga is the same as today because I dont want it to be like in England especially for the newcoming generation. I see young people enter the stands for their first time and its just unique, the atmosphere in some Bundesliga stadiums are incredible especially when it comes to Derby or just a big match. For me as an Eintracht Frankfurt supporter, this means everything. Our next monday match is at Düsseldorf in march and I dont think that i can make it although Düsseldorf is a great place for an away match especially because of the powerful and emotional supporters on both sides.
Excellent video. Following the German fan activism, you could do a video about FC Sankt Pauli.
"Because power and money never sleeps" - another brilliant video guys. Keep up the good work. Cheers from Portugal
Do a video on how I can change my passport to German
well, i can tell you that usually you would have to live here for at least 8 years and be gainfully employed for most of that time before you could hope that an application for citizenship would have chances for success. so judging by the current trajectory, you have plenty of time before brexit comes about.
Anyone here after the demise of the European Shambles League?
You guys should do a video on your research process. It goes without saying that your videos are interesting, but the level of detail you uncover, touch on and break down can't be just from Google or someone's memory. I can't be the first person to ask this & I hope I'm not missing something that you've put out previously that goes over this but I figured I'd mention it just in case. Great videos guys & keep up the good work! Cheers from the States.
Can you make a video about the meteoric rise of Robin Jansson? He was playing for a team from the middle of nowhere in the lower tiers of Swedish football 12 months ago, and has now earned a call up to the Swedish national team after his performances during AIK’s title win. AIK, through injuries, found themselves lacking defenders at the start of the season and had played Robin Jansson’s team in the cup, and signed him, and he scored the winner in the last game of the season that won them the league.
Informative as usual
Would it be possible to make a video about Vfl Wolfsburg?
They are owned by a subsidiary that is wholly owned by Volkswagen Group, but they haven't faced, at least to my knowledge, the animosity that has been directed towards Red Bull Leipzig. And if possible, could you also explain how come Volkswagen hasn't poured more money into the football team, like Red Bull has done with their football teams? I mean, Volkswagen is bigger and richer then Red Bull and they could turn Vfl Wolfsburg into a powerful team, if they wanted to; although that might be the reason why they haven't faced the animosity that Red Bull Leipzig has faced.
And as always, great content! Keep up the good work.
This is the best channel ever!
Here after ESL failed.
Great video & thx for the German fans for battle it so much👍
They are battling it too much honestly. They only battle for their interests and not for the interests of the majority of the fans.
And their criticism of the DFB is becoming ridicoulus nowadays. They arent even ready to make a compromise.
Premier league tickets are completely out of hand. And when you have owners like arsenal do its all an insult to the fans. Dortmund seem to have it right
I had a debate on why the house should regret increasing advertisement in sports. And now you guys releasing this video after i lost the debate
Quality videos as ever
Beer in stadium,standing tickets,atmosphere,best football in the world
Can you do a Tactics Explained of Atalanta B.C. They are doing very well this season.
As always: you did a great job covering the issue. I wouldn't say that if I wasn't knowledgeable about the topic myself.
Hey Tifo, could you, if don't already, leave a Soundcloud link to the songs in your videos, really jammy!👌
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Hi
Martin Kind wants to abolish 50+1 because of his own personal selfish financial interest.
The level of research great as usual
Beautifully done!
German fans are incredible, their passion and love for the game is like no other
Please create videos for Asian cup 2019 like you guys did for World cup. Analysis of every group and team players.
How not even your most popular video has not been seen by 1 million people, I will never know...
Incredible piece!
Could you do a video about Safe Standing and the govt reviewing of the all seater policy. Im hearing a decision on whether the policy will change is going to be made sometime this month.
Pls make a video about either:
- Number of talents (great players) from ex-Yugoslavia area
or
- what if Yugoslavia reunite (National team)
pls consider this.
Thank you from Belgrade, Serbia 🙏
Very insightful
great video!
Bundesliga clubs and games are always better than any other league.
Amazing actions by the German supporters. I wish we could do the same in England. I wouldn’t even know where to start.
From an outsider's perspective, it seems that English football's supporter strength is an emerging phenomenon at the grassroots level. I'm from the USA but I've heard of FC United of Manchester and AFC Wimbledon, and I keep tabs on the former.
Could you make a video about Hamburgs Tactics in Bundesliga 2.
Amazing video
Please explain to us how to become the manager and their different ranks to get license.
I had to chuckle at 2:43: "generisch" is a correct translation of generic, but it would sound very odd if used in an example like this, in German we would rather say "FC Durchschnitt" or FC average, to create an example.
This is so beautiful, thanks Tifo ❤️❤️❤️ Aúpa Atleti ⚪️🔴⚪️🔴
Can you do a video on the hillsborough disaster
Suggest some
Also they have rules that don't allow clubs to operate on extreme debt/losses, like most, if not all other clubs in the EPL or La Liga do, so that's another plus. The Bundesliga is in a great spot, all their teams need to do is start getting results in Europe (outside of Bayern/Dortmund) and more money will be flowing in. They already broadcast a decent number of games on Fox Sports here in the US.
Has tifo done a video on fan fun clubs and how they're fun? Eg fc United of Manchester? And whether they can have a profitable model?
I love how we’re all back here after the super league drama to see if this will actually work
Got recommended after the European Super League debacle.
Best TH-cam channel EVER
I love how much Germans care about their league.
Edit: ENGLISH FANS WAKE UP LIKE THE GERMANS! HOLD YOUR OWNERS ACCOUNTABLE!
Just a question aren't Real and Barça both more like German clubs in ownership structure? Why do they seem to be more corporately and commercially influenced than? Is it rather expensive to become a member of those clubs? Does that lead to their membership being upper class and thus more commercially connected?
Tifo football! Do one about Greek Football!
Could you make a video about Kohfeldt?
♥️ simply loved it
Well by golly, that sounds like unionizing! Good for them. The revolutionary spirit is alive and well. Solidarity to good football and all unions.
Can you make Kevin Keegan's The Entertainers?
Solidarity forever!
I think its ironic how football is an english sport yet the germans seem to love it more than the english themselves
I wonder what football would be like in the UK / England if it were run on the German model ??
Equally, would the England National Football Team have been more successful with this type of League Structure ?
They have it all good but one big big thing is missing multiple league winners.
Never have I seen so many fans of a league who are so happy to keep enforcing a league dominated by one team year in year our.
Wouldn't a solution to Monday games be that teams who play against one another should be from relatively close by? So Schalke vs Dortmund , Hoffenheim vs Stuttgart etc etc would play on Monday's. I'm not sure what time most people get off work at but wouldn't an earlier kick off time help as well? Maybe 6-7 PM? Instead of 8:30 that some games are played at . I feel like there's a solution to Monday games, especially seeing as plenty of German teams play European games.
Like Rivalry games every Monday? I highly doubt that the fans where protesting Monday Night games though.
@@runrafarunthebestintheworld Not necessarily rivalry games but there are several teams that do play within close proximity to eachother but I'm surprised that a Monday game would be such an issue
@Tifo Football, can you guys make a video about the rise of Spanish clubs like Barca, Real and Atletico during late 00s and the relation of it to the unequal distribution of revenues in La Liga? Also the scandals of Platini where he said he feared English teams would dominate Europe. Thanks in advance 👌
Thank God for Germany .
"Pro 50+1 banners and tifos appeared in the terraces"
Ron Howard: Hey, that's the name of the page!
This video aged so fine like wine
Would be interesting if you discussed the topic of why all coaches are old players, y cant a coach just be a good tactisian?
ace content as usual
I very much respect the research you did and the result you are presenting, which I believe exceeds even your high standards.
However I would like to note that I believe you over-romanticize the relation between German fans and officials, as well as the impact of, or what you actually determine as the German supporters.
As you have correctly stated, RB Leipzig, effectively a Red Bull Marketing product with which I believe to be seven officiall 'Vereinsmitglieder' (Club members, whereas "Verein" is a very important, community-oriented form of personal union in Germany, differing for example from the "AG" (eg. FC Bayern München AG, the FC Bayern Munich you all know) which is profit-oriented), sneaked it's way to the top of the Bundesliga. The Red Bull Clubs also effectively unginged rules and checks of the UEFA for player transfer (RB Salzburg serving as an "academy team" to RB Leipzig, giving and taking players without the rules of the free market). But allow me to keep my focus on Germany.
Additionally to the RB scandal, which is what I will call a company buying themselves into the highest German football league with officials just watching, the relation between German supporters and the DFB (German football association)/DFL (German football league association) is at a significant low at the moment. Monday night games, which I seriously doubt the DFB will keep their word and abolish, the failed negotiations about the use of pyrotechnics, the distribution of TV rights and the fact that the radical "Ultra" groups see themselves as the only "true" fans and representers of German football supporters, making negotiations and the rise of moderate fan groups almost impossible, have hardened the borders between fans and officials to a point where investors seem like the easier and more attractive dialogue partners for the DFB. Additionally, the corruption scandal, which had no consequences at all amongst the DFB officials, has not only weakened the trust put into the association by the fans, but also gives reason to believe that a little cash still opens doors in German football, an accusation enforced by the unreasonably and uncomarably high support from the DFB towards RB Leipzig, the only company-led club in the Bundesliga.
Resulting from this statement, I would like to point out that, firstly, the differenctiation between the silent majority of German football supporters and the loud minority of the Ultra groups would, in my opinion, have been a very important point towards the topic of your video, and secondly, that the strong resistance of German football supporters against commercialization of the German Bundesliga is displayed by you in an overly positive way, not respecting the acute dangers we face here at the moment sufficiently, as I see it, that is.
I would most politely suggest looking into this topic for another video.
Salutations,
Angelo Güntlisberger, German football supporter
What corruption scandal? The bribery to get the world cup, the Uli Hoeness one, the VAR one, the Ozil one, or another one?
@@ktkee7161 as my predecessor in the comments has already pointed out, most of these would, in my view, not classify as a corruption scandal. I am in fact referring to the WC corruption scandal, which is pretty relevant at the moment, in contrast to the Hoizer scandal, the other large scandal in latest German football history, which is considered dealt with.
The reason that you can't smoke in English stadiums is the prominent feature of wood in either the structure of designs of the stands. Notably, Margaret Thatcher's arguable only positive action was banning smoking as a result of the valley parade fire
It’s actually a two sided coin. We all like that our beloved Bundesliga remains Supporter Friendly but we seem to fall back compared to other leagues. We can’t afford a 50 Million Transfer of a mediocre player nor even a good player. And many talents that have their breakout here, leave eventually to go to England or Spain etc. Well at least I can afford a ticket for the game
4-5 years later Bundesliga clubs will probably depend on young talents to compete in Europe. It'll be hard for them to buy any superstars from other leagues.
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