Erdoğan: Football and Power in Turkey
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- Erdoğan: Football and Power in Turkey
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Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s sporting career has become part of his mythology, reinforcing his image as a salt-of-the-earth leader in tune with the masses. Over the last ten years, Turkish football has
experienced great change. It has become bigger and louder, more commercialised and polarised, entwined ever more with business and politics. So central has Erdoğan become to Turkish football that any account of the state of the game today would be bereft without a study of his role. And yet the game - and its obsessive, devoted fans - also show the limits of his power.
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I literally saw someone asking about this maybe two or three weeks ago, and you do a video about it. Tifo continues to be absolutely amazing and informative. How this channel doesn't have twice as many subscribers is beyond me, few people are putting out content as good as consistently.
cause they dont always pick story's that will make the most views eg all about man utd, real, bayern etc they pick truely interesting and a wide range of story's
I lived in Turkey for the most of my life and I have never heard a more accurate analysis of the situation in terms of football and politics. Turkish tend to see things from their own point of views not objectively so no one actually knows what is going on. Thank you Tifo for another great video.
Thanks Yunus. Credit for the perspective must go to John McManus and The Blizzard for the original story. It's one of the best football magazines for objectivity - do check it out! - Joe
Couldn’t agree more...
silivri soğuktur, kendine dikkat et
alper topkaya hahaha haklısın gerçi çok sert birşey demedim :)
@@yunus_kara zamanında kürtlere aleviler yapılanlar görülmedi gösterilmedi simdi sıra bize geldi..bu arada bencede sert birşey söylemedin:)
Wenger: I almost signed Erdogan
Yawn
Weak
1997 he tried
But erdogan ended up signing for fc turkey
As a Turkish football fan, I'd like to congratulate you on how well researched this video is.
Nerelisin
I love tayyip erdogan , i m his world's biggest fane , pakistan
I like how Tifo teaches about things i didn't even know i wanted to know. Good job
As a follower of Turkish football for a long time and living it. This was so well researched and incredibly accurate.
You videos on Turkey and Iran have been on point and I would love to get you word on Japan and China plus Indonesia should also be considered am a fan of world politics and football plus other things and as an East African I genuinely learn alot from you TIfo and lastly give Africa some airtime thanks for you content.
Hey Tifo, great video. Just one or two updates necessary.
Yıldırım Demirören is no longer the president of the Turkish Football Federation as he bought the only legal sports betting regulator in Turkey. All of the betting sites have to use Iddaa's odds and whatnot and since he bought that company, he decided to quit his job at the Federation. Demirören also owns a news agency which he bought recently, with loans from the government. That news agency used to serve as an opposition to Erdoğan's huge media backing. Doğan News Agency became Demirören News Agency.
Secondly, Başakşehir's standings in the current season require mentioning. They're top of the league with 8 matches left and 6 points between them and the second placed Galatasaray. Erdoğan recently boasted about Başakşehir's success and how it was a club built by him personally.
Thank you, Goker! We appreciate the additions here. As you can tell, the original piece was written some time ago, but we overlooked these issues whilst updating it. - Joe
@@emilvcloutier and you got that information from where?
@@emilvcloutier no answer to the question.
@@LegendNinja41 That's just conjecture. While it might be a possibility, there is nothing to indicate that a sale is being planned. However, the main opposition party asked questions regarding the dubious nature of Başakşehir's finances but had no response.
@@emilvcloutier ''Dude, trust me''
the more I watch these types of pieces the more I wanna know more about the 2010 world cup in South Africa
Can you guys cover the Belgian football scandal? Great vid as always.
I think world cup 2002 is also worth to scrutinized
Turkey ❤
Well, now I have to go get The Blizzard quarterly. Thanks, Tifo.
Absolutely brilliant stuff! When watched prior or after the Tifo video on the Economic Crisis & Turkish Football, one gets a fabulous picture of the state of affairs in Turkish Football! Well done lads.
Brilliant as always. Id love to see more player focused coverage eventually. Iconic players who are synonymous with their club/position etc.
As a Turk and a Fenerbahçe fan your analysis of Turkish Football is genuinely objective and accurate. Also it is quite disappointing for me to realise that even foreigners grasp Turkish Football better than us i.e Turks. It is our shame that we just sit and watch our beloved sport dies. Anyhow, thank you for this enlightening video. ⚽️
Oh, by the way you could have used a bit less advanced vocabulary. I mean I had to check the dictionary a lot during the video.
olsun kanki bi yandan kelime öğreniyoz işte
Great research and presentation. Thanks The Blizzard and Tifo...
Can you guys cover match-fixing scandals in Europe by Asian syndicates?
Man Turkish football has always been one of those things that was so shrouded in mystery to me outside of the "big 3" mentioned. After seeing some of these vids about Turkish football it makes me more interested in it simply because of how complicated it is😅
Its the most bizarre league out there, they play shit but so many funny and interesting events and relationships exist
@Granddad Fleenstone Im talking about the football quality. Obviously the emotions are still there
Do you know Silivri? It’s still cold 😏
Silivri soğukdur
Baran Yıldız Is this the Turkish Gulag right?
Viktor Orban is doing the same thing in Hungary. Blantant government interference in top tier football via “Puskas” Academy which is base on his hometown. It has a stadium, Pancho Arena, which has a greater seating capacity of people than the entire population of the town.
Plus the recent situation re: "Porgy and Bess"
This is a spot on video on topic of Turkish Football. But it only scratches the surface, but high level components are accurate.
This is a great video. Thanks for sharing. I learned a lot about Turkish football in this video than any other video.
Literally cannot say enough superlatives about Tifo football and the content you put out. As always another amazing video!
Great summary man.Its just a Turkish thing that politics are twindled into every part of our lives.
Wonderful video as always love when your channel goes into the ties of football and deeper world issues. Was wondering if you'd considered doing a video on Issa Hayatou and the CAF corruption around his time in charge, I'm writing a paper on it in Uni and found it fascinating would love to see Tifo's take on the saga
Most TH-camrs dont know jack shit about Turkey or its situation
But this video is perfect every aspect of it was filled with knowledge
Great video
All dictators have hobbies
Another fantastic video by Tifo! As a Canadian Turk it’s great to see foreign coverage of football in Turkey
Would love a video on eintracht Frankfurt and their tactics.they were nearly relegated in 16/17 season but they have since been closely competing for champions League places and have arguably have the most lethal front 3 this season
We’ve covered this over on the Bundesliga YT channel for them. Check it out. - Alex
Tifo, This is the most complex analysis of the correlation between Turkish politics and football I have ever seen.
I am Turkish. Loved the video. Thank you.
This is actually frighteningly objective and honest.Please do a video on the History of Fatih Terim.
Radiant Tenno fraud
@@korgaw8563 go away
Tifo, can you please keep making videos about Turkish football?
It’s really interesting to learn about the situation of your own country.
Love your vids.
silivri is cold bruh
Videos like this are why I love this channel
Love this channel, love your work!
Trabzonspor ♥️💙
9:15 in addition to this punishment, in 2014 the metro station which allows the fans of Galatasaray to arive to the stadium was unable to use due to its restoration. It took one year to restore that. During its restoration time, it was so hard to arrive there.
9:49 passolig cards are linked with a bank whose its owner is so close to Erdogan. So that bank gets revenue from football fans easily and make them their clients.
great video man..congrats...appreciated
Great journalism lies in this story. It is really satisfying as a turkish because it is much better covered than turkish journalist did before. Thank you.
Nice Video, can you maybe make a video on Arsene Wenger's stint on Monaco as well as J League?
I love your work please make a video on karim benzema
Wow. Your british accent so nice, greetings from turkey nice channel keep goin
Can you do a video on Dragan Stojkovic.
This video is open to misunderstandings due to not knowing Turkey's realities. In Turkey, none of the clubs, even the top 3, can't stay on their feet without government or munipilaty's help. It has always been like that in Turkey. Galatasaray, Fenerbahçe, Beşiktaş had their tax debts erasen by government many times to this day. Turkish governemnts, whether it is Conservatist or Leftist, took much less tax from footballers compared to many other European leagues to provide Turkish teams an edge over European counterparts.
Nearly all of the stadiums in Turkey have been built by government. So it's not a new thing in Turkey.
Football fan organizations, such as Fenerbahce's or Besiktas's fan clubs directly have joined to political movements against Erdogan in 2013.
In Turkey, sports and politics have always been connected to each other. Old goverments had solely focused on getting Fenerbahçe's president on their side while AKP doesn't interfere with presidents or top 3 clubs but a little bit supporting another Istanbul team, Basaksehir, which still have way lower budget compared to big 3. It is big 3's stupidity of squad building and team management to let Basaksehir become better than them, not the goverment's mediocre help.
In Spain, Italy and many other countries, the situation is same. Politics are interfering with football. also Spanish governments supported Madrid over Barcelona for many years. In Italy, Milan has been boosted by Berlusconi.
Fantastic as always
Erdogan is similar to India's Modi. A RW strongman whose life story has been mythified for political purposes
@Toori Baba so erdogan
Ya it's mythified but he's doing a good job here I don't want a guy who was playing candy crush in the parliament to be PM you know
Great video lads
Great video :)
I am Turkish living in turkey. This video accurately describes the relationship between football and Turkish politics. It is on point in every area. Fans of beşiktaş football team are more vocal regards to Erdogan's strange policies and time to time charged with 'spreading hate and disturbing tranquility of communities' (which could resulted in 3 year prison sentence). Football and politics are closely interviewed in Turkey. Thank you Tifo and the Blizzard.
I didn’t know Erdoğan was a black/brown man.
Kubilai A Bu çok dikkat ettiğim bir şey ve yeni fark etmedim. Batı tarafından çizilen karikatürlerde vs de Erdoğan gibi beyaz tenli bi adamı resmen brown çiziyorlar. Aynı şey Atatürk’ü eleştiren Batı kaynaklı çizimlerde de var. Sarışın ama esmer ten. İçlerindeki kaybolmayan ırkçılık böyle ortaya çıkıyor işte. Daha Orta Doğulu bir tablo çizmeye çalışıyorlar.
Kubilai A Evet ülkenin public policy’si ve kültür politikalarının büyük bir etkisi var bunu inkar edemem. Ama bunun tamamen bizden kaynaklı olduğunu da düşünmüyorum. Bana kalırsa Türkiye hiçbir zaman dışarıdan doğru yorumlanabilen bir ülke değil. Konuyu açmam gerekirse 19.yy’daki Avrupalı sosyal bilimcilerin empoze etmeye çalıştığı şeyler bile bunu kanıtlar nitelikte. Türklerin göçebe bir toplum olduğundan “civilized” bir dil konuşmadığı dolayısıyla Türkçenin indo-european bir dil olamayacağından tutun Türklerin sarı ırk olmasına kadar. Araplarda bile bir potansiyel görmüşler ama Türklerde assla. Evet bir Altay dili konuşuyoruz ancak bunlar o zaman bilimsel araştırma yaparak edinilen çıkarımlar değildi. Dahası bir dili uygar yapan şey nedir? Tamamen yanlı ve kibirli yorumlar. Türklerin sarı ırk olmasını geçtim, sarı ırk veya beyaz ırk gibi tanımlamaların bilimsel olmasına imkan yok. Sonra zaten Naziler’in yaptıklarıyla kendilerine geldiler de bu ırkçı kafadan kurtuldular, ya da gömdüler. Şimdi Türkleri böyle abartılı brown çizmelerinin de nedenini Türkler hakkında böyle bir tablo çizmek istemelerine bağlıyorum. “Deveye biniyor musunuz?” Sorusunun taşıdığı motivasyonla aynı. Gerçeği bilmelerine rağmen kabullenemiyorlar. Tarihsel kin tamamen. Taa cumhuriyetten önce Avrupalı bir ressam (Benjamin Constant) tarafından oryantalizmin dibine vurularak Fatih Sultan Mehmet’in İstanbul’u fethedişinin bir Arap komutan edasıyla (tenler fazlasıyla kavruk ve kıyafetler Osmanlıyı değil bir Arap ülkesini andırır biçimde) çizilmesi ile aynı kafa. Bunun yıkılması da şuanki hükümet ile çok zor.
@@burcu3677 >that feel when no eloquent beyaz türk gf
Amazing again I’m not a fan of the longer podcasts as to be honest you come over as a load of Eton / Winchester tossers (no offence it’s not out of envy or spite it’s just the way you come over tbh and there are better guardian etc) but in this format you are the best. This is much watch stuff more informative than world football phone in (which I have listened to since I was at uni and I’m 42) in 10 minutes rather than an 1 1/2 hours of what these days is largely repeats of the same stories by old men
Can you guys please make a video about non league players and how they can make it to the highest levels across Europe country and african talent too
Hi, I'm the guy from Twitter. I sent you the subtitles 3-4 days ago. Can you confirm it please?
Amazing video!
Damn I wish Erdogan just became a footballer at Fenerbahçe instead of a dictator.
@Mehmet Türk hm
Pengoto K hay ağzına sağlık... işte bu kadar basit
I am 100 procent sure you are not even turkish
Im Turkish and I must admit that your analysis is way better than analysis made by pro government and anti goverment Turks.
Brilliant video.
Can you do a video about Pablo Garcia?
A certain german man got rejected from art school, Erdogan got rejected from Fenerbahce
2022 turkey football fans survey
%33 galatasaray - %30 fenerbahçe - %24 beşiktaş - %7 other clubs - %6 neither
Will you do rags to riches again?
Türkiyeden selamlar
Do a video about Peter Bosz
and his extremely attacking style (Bayer Leverkusen manager)
We did this for the Bundesliga - check out the Tifo playlist on their YT page. - Alex
@@Tifo thank you for the reply :)
What a broad research and a fantastic content! Congrats guys, keep up the good work!
Cheers from İstanbul!
I love turkey
this is freaking impressively well researched and accurate for a football video that deals with politics
cool video
20% of Turkey's economy is construction. This sounds all too familiar...
Cct FTC drawn
To what?
I saw the video of him in a charity game. He clearly has some skill. More than the average Sunday league player at least.
fantastic composition. needs a little fact checking though. great job on explaining such a complex topic. I remember going to matches when I was young in early 2000's. the game had a SOUL back then. now its all money and disgust.
Plz make a video about what's going on in Indian football right now.. ISL-l league merger and AIFF approach and rebel of I league clubs
What a great guy.
One man in charge of everything always a good idea.
I love you erdoğan
Putin and Abramovich say hi....
oooo the badge does work
check the drip, homies
For real though, how can I not support a channel like this. Intellectual conversations about this amazing game is something I didn't even have the imagination to ask for. It would be really cool for you guys to do a video on the rise of women's soccer, or maybe something on the US women's soccer team, since that's definitely been the more popular team for years and they're currently suing the US Soccer Federation. I'm not an expert, but I definitely think that there are probably some really interesting intuitions to be shared from that, and knowing how amazing you guys are at turning seemingly trite topics into full-scale, super-entertaining biopics, I think that would be really cool.
The video is great as always but the mic/audio quality is very bad🙃
Ahmedkh8 really? Sounds good to me
Oh man I hear it now
great topic and analysis but the audio quality is well off on this one
I wish Reis proceeded with his football career :')
Nice research done here, wasnt excepting this video to be perfect. Few edits: Demirören is not the president anymore, Başakşehir has become the runner up and Galatasaray being champion ( Same results as 17-18 season Galatasaray was first and başakşehir was runner up)
I wish politics had nothing to do with football and I know Basaksehir is gonna get sold most likely. But people should not forget that the Turkish government tried to help all of their clubs in the last 10-15 years, especially those with larger fanbases. They gave them money and modern stadiums. For them to now point at Basaksehir is a little hypocritical and unfair.
This was insanely objective and I congratulate you. We should mention that although these stadium constructions did help economic growth, it'll help Turkish football in the international stance. In 2010, Turkey lost the race to host 2016 European Championship to France by 1 vote! The president of UEFA at the time was Michel Platini. These stadiums will help host Euro and perhaps World Cup competitions which was a dream prior to these developments
Surely Joe becomes a world famous voice actor one day
Yes please. - Joe
Before people use to name stadiums after historical figures or club legends now they name stadiums to sponsors gets me fucking creazy
You forgot the mention anout the most important topic “ İstanbul Başakşehir FK”
Love the vid!! Politics and religion have nothing to do with football, and as an atheist myself it is pisses me off...
Actually they have a lot to do with football. You can love it or hate it but that doesn't change that fact.
Sohaib Hussain what does religion bring to football? Tell me something factual, not it makes them feel better...
@@michaelramone9262 I didn't say it brings anything positive lol. I just said that football and politics/religion will always mix for better or worse that's it
Sohaib Hussain sorry mate misunderstood your message...
Religion has EVERYTHING to do with football, as does politics.
Aruba is turkish. Police is written the same way as in turkey
Erdoğan gave that place in TFF to Demiören.
Make a video about Fatih Terim as a manager
Umur Can LEVENT Thats an easy one. Taktik maktik yok. Bam! Bam! Bam!
@@BdK255 HAHAHA
Başakşehir 💪🦉🧡💙
In Turkish "c" word pronounced like "j" word in English.
Başakşehir ❤
Ireland isn't part of the UK
@Dimmy A I am aware - I am from the Republic.
@Dimmy A I actually agree with this. He's a pleb
TÜRKİYE'NİN FUTBOL TAKIMI 5 BÜYÜKLERİ
Galatasaray
Fenerbahçe
Beşiktaş
Trabzonspor
Başakşehir
Greetings from Istanbul, brilliant video - very informative and accurate
I remember somebody cursing the day thay he decided not to pursue footballing career
8:06 i am turkish and i can confirm that it is like that
Erdogan zindabaad!
The Turkish Football League and television do not show the head goal scored by our own president, perhaps 1 time .Wrong you have to tell.Yes, the president loves football and even supports the club in the financial sense, but there is a fact that the Shuda..there is no obligation to love that team because no one has loved a team of the president, nor does it belong to that team.Galatasaray Besiktas Fenerbahce Trabzonspor Sivasspor and so on.they support their team wholeheartedly.Even though there is a huge support for our president in politics, this is not reflected in football as much as you say. it can be called.There is already a very big championship competition in our league.People talk about it or even discuss it.Hold on to referee errors is also dominated by this chatter on the streets, from the ability to the quality to the performance of footballers.