Unpopular opinion: "Love is an Open Door" was a song about psychopathic manipulation If you listen to it, his opening "maybe it's the party talking, or the chocolate fondue" was the kid friendly equivalent to the phrase, "man, how drunk am I?", A phrase used to get people to loosen up, and lower their expectations of you at parties. And throughout the song, Anna was leading during the "cute" parts. When Hans actually was leading, it was always really generic stuff that was clearly him trying to get her to play along and look like a couple. Let's be honest here, he was not going to say sandwiches, and we all know it. And the part that pulls it all together is that Hans, the guy who clearly had been outside and should know how social convention works, proposes after meeting her for a day. An action that is clearly taking advantage of a girl who clearly doesn't understand how socializing works.
Thank you! I’ve known that the entire time, but people still forget there was obvious clues in “Love Is An Open Door” that foreshadowed his true colors and still subtly built the twist. They still complain that Hans did a complete 180 without any subtle hints and indications.
Also Him "trying" to save Elsa makes sense cause he wants to look like the good guy and make Elsa's death look like an accident. If you watch the part where he grabs the guys arm to stop him from shooting Elsa with the crossbow he looks up first then grabs the guys arm which makes the bolt hit the chandelier and almost hit Elsa, he meant for the bolt to do that.
@@amokriinprolgiid3409 oh ok. then we're opposites because I only watch cinemawins lol also about Hans face under the boat I could see that being evil because he could potentially have realized exactly how easy it would be to manipulate Anna and thus was genuinely happy. other media that potrays villians has probably twisted what we think of as a evil smile.
Kristoff: Enough! She's engaged to someone else, okay? Trolls: So, she's a bit of a fixer upper That's a minor thing Her quote "engagement" is a flex arrangement And by the way, I don't see no ring So, she's a bit of a fixer upper Her brain's a bit betwixt Get the fiancé out of the way And the whole thing will be fixed!
So the girl is a bit of a fixer-upper, But we know exactly what to do. Yes, the perfect way to stop the fiancé, Is to turn him evil through and through.
“Their main goal seems to be, get Kristoff married. And they don’t seem to care what he thinks about it” Ah yes, a motivation every Indian mother is familiar with
Ah yes, the summer home in Norway. With a castle. Can we visit? Also, it could be just me, but after the reveal I always interpreted Hans' smile as smug rather than warm fuzzies. Also, also, actually, Actually, it was the parents that decided the solution was keeping Elsa's magic hidden after the incident, rather than Papi and the trolls who removed what was there that would have presumably caused harm left untreated. A good analogy for it is wood. Like, if you get a splinter, it has to be removed before it gets infected, but their parents basically said "No more wood ever." So Anna is fine when exposed to wood again (you know before being stabbed in the heart), she just wished she remembered wood existed. Thanks for coming to my TED Talk. :)
Molly R We see Hans’s Smug Smile when he’s gloating and leaving Anna to freeze to death post FixerUpper. The smile under the boat when he’s soaking wet is pure smitten Derp Man
I would like to note that my dad, who is a professional marriage and family therapist, has claimed Hans to be one of the most realistic predators he's seen in a movie, and specifically defends the moment in the boat in a very simple way. Hans is manipulative. To everyone. All the time. He's not going to drop his act in the open like that. He's still in character.
I believe you and anyone that doesn't can go watch Cinematherapy's video on hans. also I don't really see Hans smile under the boat as only being good because: 1. movies/comics/whatever has most likely changed what we perceive as an evil smile (hint: not everyone is as obviously focused on their own goals as the Duke of weaselton) 2. he could genuinely be happy in that moment as he could easily have realized just how easy it was going to be to manipulate Anna into marrying him. also if you want Hans to be good then why in the world did he propose to Anna after JUST ONE DAY when he would have obviously known better?
It's just the historical nerd in me, but historical large royal famlies like Han's family the youngest children of the family would be married off to minor nobles, or a princess/prince that would have no chance to the throne but in the case of Hans he would have had a chance to throne if he would have married Anna.
This is why it would be so cool to see a movie from his perspective back with his family, yelling at him for blowing his shot and him having no idea what happened because he genuinely loved her but then he blacked out after seeing a few moving rocks and then woke up back in his parents castle. Frozen 3 lets gooooo
Historically speaking Hans might not have any succession rights if he married Anna. Check out MatPat’s theory, he talks about succession rights of queen’s spouses.
When Kristoff said that people will “cheat” and “beat” you as well as his overall disdain for other people, wherever he was before the trolls was _not_ a good situation. The other ice harvesters may have been glad to get rid of him for all we know. As for the troll’s advice, they say “fear will be Elsa’s enemy.” The graphic shows Elsa being attacked, which seeing that they knew what clothes she’d be wearing and what hair style she’d have reads to me as prophetic-aka what would happen with fear of her ice powers. HER fear. They were trying to warn her not to be afraid of herself. The family took it the wrong way.
Yes, but they showed her being attacked BY OTHER PEOPLE. It looks prophetic, but what are they prophesying? Maybe they were pretending to prophesy that Elsa would be attacked, so that the king and queen would lock her up and ruin the kingdom.
yeah plus agnar teaches Elsa the mantra "conceal; don't feel" (and I think "don't let them know" gets added to it in the Broadway show) which is a terrible thing to teach anybody. although on the flip side Elsa is pretty obviously scared when they warn her about her powers and I don't really see anyone try to comfort her (tbf the scene is basically over by then) and also her parents are for the most part following the troll's advice (like keeping Anna and Elsa separated and removing Anna's memories of Elsa's magic)
I already knew this theory from MatPat but I think you guys actually added completely different points to him and went in a different direction to end up at the same conclusion. People claiming you stole this theory clearly only watched the first few minutes- I think this theory and the one on Film Theory go pretty well together! Keep up the great work guys :D
what if Hans realized while Anna and Kristoff were away, and he was put in charge, that if Anna and Elsa were out of the way, he could be put in charge. Which would explain why he saves Elsa, because even if it looked like an accident, he would want people to think of him as a good ruler, and why he decided he didn’t need to marry Anna?
It probably wouldn't change the part where Hans didn't make any attempt to talk to Elsa despite what he says in his monologue to Anna however, though could always be ruled as a plot hole.
At the point when Hans is trying to talk Else down instead of killing her, he is attempting to "seal the deal" with Anna. Either he succeeds, takes her prisoner, and has Annas complete trust now set in some kind of unbreakable ice or he fails, Elsa dies, and he looks more like the heroic figure he wants to appear to be and gets Annas complete trust (yadda yadda yadda). Either way it goes, it's that final push that makes him seem unimpeachable in the eyes of Anna and the soldiers or Arendale. THAT was his reasoning for doing it and while it didn't pay off in the end, it wasn't a bad tactic.
trying to talk her down is fine. but why did he stop the guy shooting the crossbow? he could have just said he tried but the the men under orders of Duke Weaselton killed her. what makes more sense is that he didn't want Elsa dead until after she got rid of the endless winter.
kinda the exact opposite he lets Elsa dies he would basically become the closest person to Anna so she would literally be desperate and now wouldn't have a voice of reasoning in her ear to tell her she shouldn't marry him. So Elsa out the way the easier it is for him
Me: *Sees title* I knew it!! 8:17- Ben: And that is when the real villains step in, the trolls! Also me: Well, I personally think its at the beginning of the movie. Here's why- It was literally they're fault Elsa couldn't control her powers in the first place! At the beginning of the movie when the king and queen (Forgot their names lol) took Anna and Elsa to the trolls, Grandpappy said, "Your power will only grow. There is beauty in it, but also great danger. You must learn to control it, Fear will be your enemy." (10:18-10:25). He was the one who made Elsa scared of her powers! He was also the one who gave the king the idea to keep Elsa in total isolation away from the outside world, and her sister! And I quote from Ben himself, "I mean, it tears both of their relationships completely apart, leaves them in utter isolation, and drives their parents to go and look for some kind of a cure, which leads to their death! And it turns out that the secret keeping literally drives Elsa to become a recluse, where she has absolutely no control of her powers because she fears them so much, and its not until she actually embraces those powers that she has control over them!" (10:50-11:19). In conclusion, I had the same theory! Just in a different way! If u made it to the end of my comment, thx for reading! I know it was long, I just rlly wanted to share it with u all, and maybe Ben and J will see my comment! =3
I’ve always thought that they were bad. I mean, I’m pretty sure that they completely changed Hans’s personality so that Anna and Kristoff would end up together instead. “Get the fiancé out of the way and the whole thing will be fixed” I mean they basically admitted to it. Edit: I did write this before I had fully watched the video and yes I now know that he literally says what I commented.
One part I think hampers this theory: how did the trolls deliver their memory magic to Hans in the first place? When we see them memory-mod young Anna, she is there, at their encampment. They make physical contact with her. We never see Hans in the presence of any troll, nor is there a point where it could be plausibly implied that Hans was alone long enough for a troll to mind-mod him. Unless it totally happened, and on-screen no less, and the only reason we the audience are unaware is because the trolls broke through the fourth wall to mind-mod us in the real world.
On the saving Elsa thing if Hans was responsible for Elsa's death even justifiably it would be grounds to bar him from marrying to Anna for political reasons (it would look bad Mary Queen of Scots was forced to flee Scotland after marring a man suspected of killing her previous husband). Hans was probably just doing everything in his power to keep his hands clean (at least in the eyes of the people)
If they're ever going to make a "Frozen 3" (which they probably will, in all honesty), I really hope they make, at least, one of the trolls the true villian of the franchise. I'll even go as far as to say that the trolls were the reason for Elsa's grandpa's fear of magic along with Hans' villiany. It would all make sense and not have Hans or Grand Pabbie be such flat characters.
Also Anna and elsa's parents didn't want to go and see the trolls and only did it as a last resort when elsa became a danger. Also also the book that elsa's father looked at to find the map to get to the trolls had some pretty scary representations of the trolls which implied them being evil.
My theory is he keeps Elsa alive just simply to show the kingdom he has the kingdoms best interest at heart.. think about it if my sister is killed by a group of vigilantes led by the guy I was going to marry I wouldn’t want to marry him... if it is documented I saved her but she ended up being killed anyway I would be more appreciative of it... and as far as the accident because he saved her when something happened to the queen during the accident he has a reason to say no I saved the queens life before why would I do that.. now I would admit I think this would’ve been so much better if they Did kiss and nothing happened then he explains his plan
Great video! I always thought that Hans gave up his plans because he too thought “true loves kiss” could only come from a dashing young man and since he knew he didn’t truly love her Anna was doomed.
Me watching film theory: Gets notification for this video I've seen this somewhere... OH YEAH!!! Matpat from Film Theory already did this- (Now i have a Mr beast notification gotta go :P)
Fatima Andrea Saenz Vasquez HEY I’ve seen you! You reply on every comment like this. Now, you don’t even know if they’ve seen the video. Stop accusing them of coping.
@Fatima Andrea Saenz Vasquez dude it's...not copying. A lot of matpat's theories are already popular on places like reddit, he just takes that information and either relays it or develops it. Does that mean Matpat is copying?
I don't think the trolls are malicious at all, they are simply not human and don't realize that what they are doing may cause harm and wouldn't be considered good by our standards.
They seem to be have good knowledge on good and evil and don't seem to be inherently ignorant of human society either considering they understand the concept of marriage.
@@dannylopez5976 what I'm saying is that their idea of good and evi would be diferent from ours, and there is no reason to believe that the concept of marriage is exclusive to humans.
Yeah like that's pretty much exactly how fairies (in the traditional sense which would include trolls, goblins, sprites, selkies etc) are portrayed. Sometimes helpful, sometimes not, but pretty dangerous either way because they are NOT human and don't think like us at all and have a very different sort of 'moral' code
How I've reconciled Hans's apparent non-villainy towards Elsa as "there is no way Anna would have married him after he "let" Elsa die." He need to secure Anna before Elsa died. After Anna apparently dies, that plan obviously goes out the window
5:08 I agree with you for the most part but I would like to point out subtle hints of manipulation from Hans. When Ana says Elsa shuts down the doors and doesn’t let her do anything Hans says “I would never do that to you”. This is a manipulation tactic that’s used by real manipulators. They’re making you feel like they’re the good guy and everyone close to you is the bad guy, trying to isolate you and make you easier to manipulate because they have no one else. I think there are some other ones but this is all I can think of at the moment
Someone in the comments earlier said they saw this theory in a Reddit post in 2014, so maybe they saw that. Or they're both really smart at posted at weird times
I just re-watched Frozen. In the beginning, Elsa has control of her powers. She has an accident, sure, but so much could have been avoided if the Trolls hadn't mentioned her powers could be dangerous. She's young and the fear obviously only does more harm than good. Also, her parents should have taught her discipline, not fear. "Practice with your powers and you will be able to control them" instead of "lock the castle down and isolate Elsa in hopes she will learn control".
I know this was already a theory from Film Theory, but this video actually provided a lot of different evidence, and I think that that just makes the theory even better
ok a bit disappointed that they didn’t mention that this was a common theory or that the Film Theorists literally already made a video ab it and I think Seamus has talked ab it. Considering that their last black widow video was ALSO a theory that the film theorists already posted im really disappointed in the scb
Kayleigh O’Donnell yeah I feel like they’re usually good about acknowledging when they make a video on an existing theory. I’ve definitely seen this one before in several places so I’m not sure why they didn’t mention it
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Trolls have almost exclusively been workers of evil in mythology, they are synonymous with demons, devils, in the english language even before the internet a troll meant someone disgusting.
On the flip side, Hans' smile can be explained - he doesn't know he just met Princess Anna, he just thinks she is some girl - so he could genuinely have got the fuzzies and then be planning to ignore it to pursue Elsa (or Anna if she really was his original plan and not a fall back) x
I think the things with Hans was he wanted to make it look like he would be a good ruler, talking the queen down from killing people, helping the townsfolk and all, it was so when he got the throne people would dispute it and would except him as their leader.
I refuse to accept any explanation for Hans being the antagonist besides the trolls changing his personality via magical means. Because literally nothing else makes sense considering his behavior and actions over the course of the movie.
I hope y'all came to this conclusion separate from MatPat. He said basically these exact same things, using almost the exact points. Personally, I think y'all did so independently, because once I heard that Disney changed the story in order for Elsa to not be a villain anymore, it made it clear that Hans WASN'T a villain until Elsa wasn't allowed to be a villain, at which point Hans' role was sloppily flipped. They didn't have to make him a villain (I think Hans feeling he had to kill the Elsa in order to save Anna and the kingdom would be very compelling, even for a good guy), but they felt they needed a baddy, so Hans was sacrificed.
I'm still convinced that Hans was never supposed to be the main villan and was a lady minute decision. And I mean a very last minute decision. They were 80% done with the movie and Disney demanded the change but they were on a deadline and didn't have time to go back and make some changes so that's why it's so surprising.
When he was taking about meeting someone and then being able to break into song and dance with them then they are ‘the one’ I was like, ITS A DISNEY FILM THEY ALL DO IT!
I feel like Disney did an excellent job of telling two stories at once, catering to both purists (original story) and Disney-ists (kids, for example.) They told the standard Disney story by having Hans be a villain, also conveniently allowing them to keep the trolls good and get that sweet merch opportunity. This version is one that only makes sense after you learn he's bad, of course he was misleading us the whole time to earn Ana and Elsa's trust. Sure, ok. But they also manage to sneak, underneath the Disney story, the original. The trolls aren't evil, they just have their own intentions and values. Their intention is to marry Kristoff, so they do that. It's all there, they just used Hans as a means to the end. Not malicious per se, perhaps they knew that Kristoff really was a better match for Ana than Hans would have been. I applaud Disney's ability to do this, and thank you for making me think about it.
He notices the chandelier is right above Elsa. He is hoping that when he pushes the bow away from Elsa and towards the chandelier that when it falls it will crush her. Then he can claim “I was trying to save the queen but I failed”
Your all forgetting Hans was put in charge before Anna left to find her sister and the subjects didn't seem to care! If the dude never left he might have gotten away with Elsa hiding and Anna dead by being frozen. He was put in charge of the kingdom and didn't have to do a thing, everyone, at the party, knew they were engaged! Like Hans, your best plan would have been to stay at the castle Elsa would have been assumed dead Anna would actually be dead and you didn't habe to lift a finger!
Only meeting in Las Vegas do couples get married in the same day. Hans decided to take the kingdom when Elsa's powers manifested. The fact Anna and he had great chemistry was bonus. When he realized that Anna was dying he decided to blame Elsa.
Hans didn't want anyone to know his plan, so it behooves him for everyone else to think that he wants to help. It is still all super convoluted though. As far as the smile under the boat, that's just straight misdirect. Also how good a word us behoove?
The only indication I've noticed that Hans has ulterior motives is a slight glance upwards when he saves Elsa from the guy about to shoot her. So I aalways saw it as a "Oh look at that I tried to save you. Oh no it hit that chandelier." Kind of moment. But yea nothing about his motivation or anything else he does makes any sense.
I guess you can say that he really wanted to impress people. But isn’t that bit to complicated he could have at least if Elsa died. Pretended to be sad not able to save her. He could done something to pretend want to save Elsa but couldn’t do it or smth
My only explanation for why Hans aborts his plan of marrying Anna and killing Elsa is because he thinks Anna is about to die and he knows kissing her won't work because he doesn't really love her. However, that still doesn't explain why he saved Elsa's life or why he actually has a better connection with Anna than many people in Disney movies who actually end up together. Plus, how come the trolls say it's easier to fix a mind problem by erasing someone's happy memories with their sister than it is to fix a problem with the heart that can literally be solved with a hug? That seems fishy.
Funny that you covered EXACTLY the same issues I have had with this movie since it came out. Like hey, I am all up for a "plot twist" but you still have to give some sort of sense to your character. If we'd seen Hans plotting behind her, change his attitude when he was alone or SOMETHING, it could have made sense. Idk, it just looks like he went through way too much for the sisters if that was the plan he had from the start. Why warn Elsa at the castle? She could have been turned into a villain in that very moment in front of her people after killing up a dude sending him flying off from her castle? (also possibly killed by the other dude). BESIDES, by that point, Anna had let him in charge so why go look for her? They both could have been killed and then "you are all we have left" and he could argue he was trying to follow her wishes. But yeah, if the Trolls had anything to do with it (as per Fixer Upper), I wish they'd also be more clear about it in the movie.
The little line that flashes on the screen says, “ to be fair he doesn’t propose to her for a while but he certainly decides he’s in love with her enough to risk his and Sven’s life.” It took me AGES to pause the video at exactly the right time🤣
Those shackles are truly terrifying. Hans didn't have time to make those. Meaning they were there already... Meaning Elsa's parents or guardians should have made them at some point
Underrated opinion - Trolles manipulated them all, when you look at it the changes in people's behaviour started when they met the trolls for example Elsa was not so depressed, Kristoff was NOT trying to win Anna, Anna didn't even think that way even olaf, and Hans was not evil, what can be their agenda I have no idea maybe they just want little bit of drama
If you watch Hans' eyes right before he saves Elsa, he looks up at the chandelier before aiming the cross bow away from her and shooting it down. I think he wanted it too look like he tried to save her but she died anyway
5:55 Sorry to break it to you, but a summer home in Norway is no quarantee for ice, we have 18+ Celcius (65) the last few nights that does NOT = ice. TBH we barely have ice in the winder here...
What if their ultimate goal was to make Kristoff King? Grand Pappy had a vision about a "Troll" King, and when they found Kristoff as a child raised him and when Anna was brought for help, they saw how they could manipulate the threads of fate to make Anna eventually Marry Kristoff.. Frozen 3 will be when the Trolls manipulate Elsa's death so that Anna will be Queen and Kristoff King - that is when they do some more "mind play" and make Kristoff do some crazy rules to make Troll Kind the masters of the human race.
What is worst is there was no reason for him to go BAD anyway. Even if the Trolls didn't do anything, the story Plot didn't need a villain. Alright, how about when he goes to kiss Anna and it doesn't work. It doesn't work because he not in "LOVE" with her. Oh he's could be attracted to her, but love and True love? He tells Anna the truth, that he's the seventh son and that he wants to love ANNA but hasn't fallen in love with her. So he makes her comfortable and says "There is only one way to save you, Anna, you may hate me after... I hope you forgive me. Your sister has to die, to save Arendelle, and to save you. I'm sorry." Then he leaves and locks the door. The rest of the movie follows the same path no changes, Everything is the same even Anna dropping her hopes of love from Hans and falling for Kristoff. The Whole Hans or Trolls being EVIL is useless unnecessary. This change would also go with the theme of the rest of Anna and Kristoff's story, you don't fall in love with one song.
Literally! Like, when Hans meets Anna for the first time, he falls into the water, right? AND SEE HIS FACE. That smile isn't an evil smile. It's more of a 'you got me smitten' smile and ya'll can't convince me otherwise
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I always took hans good guy part as just him playing that a part even at the ice castle because only 2 of the guards with him are his and he needs to look like hes trying to save her to trick them into believing hes a great guy so they would not argue his ruling if both girls have an accedent
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Unpopular opinion: "Love is an Open Door" was a song about psychopathic manipulation
If you listen to it, his opening "maybe it's the party talking, or the chocolate fondue" was the kid friendly equivalent to the phrase, "man, how drunk am I?", A phrase used to get people to loosen up, and lower their expectations of you at parties. And throughout the song, Anna was leading during the "cute" parts. When Hans actually was leading, it was always really generic stuff that was clearly him trying to get her to play along and look like a couple. Let's be honest here, he was not going to say sandwiches, and we all know it. And the part that pulls it all together is that Hans, the guy who clearly had been outside and should know how social convention works, proposes after meeting her for a day. An action that is clearly taking advantage of a girl who clearly doesn't understand how socializing works.
Thank you! I’ve known that the entire time, but people still forget there was obvious clues in “Love Is An Open Door” that foreshadowed his true colors and still subtly built the twist. They still complain that Hans did a complete 180 without any subtle hints and indications.
Also Him "trying" to save Elsa makes sense cause he wants to look like the good guy and make Elsa's death look like an accident. If you watch the part where he grabs the guys arm to stop him from shooting Elsa with the crossbow he looks up first then grabs the guys arm which makes the bolt hit the chandelier and almost hit Elsa, he meant for the bolt to do that.
I see somebody who has also watched cinemawin's video on hans ;) or else you're far more observant then me lol
@@whatusernameis5295 haven't seen it. I don't watch cinemawins, just cinemasins.
@@amokriinprolgiid3409 oh ok. then we're opposites because I only watch cinemawins lol
also about Hans face under the boat I could see that being evil because he could potentially have realized exactly how easy it would be to manipulate Anna and thus was genuinely happy. other media that potrays villians has probably twisted what we think of as a evil smile.
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Kristoff: Enough!
She's engaged to someone else, okay?
Trolls: So, she's a bit of a fixer upper
That's a minor thing
Her quote "engagement" is a flex arrangement
And by the way, I don't see no ring
So, she's a bit of a fixer upper
Her brain's a bit betwixt
Get the fiancé out of the way
And the whole thing will be fixed!
So the girl is a bit of a fixer-upper,
But we know exactly what to do.
Yes, the perfect way to stop the fiancé,
Is to turn him evil through and through.
This bit of the song drives me nuts everytime.
@@listinglazily I skip it every time
“Hide Elsa’s powers” was terrible advice.
to be fair, they never said that, it was the king's idea
you should watch the "How It Should Have Ended" vid haha
"Fear will be your enemy." Grand Pabbie really meant Elsa's OWN fear, but the king misunderstood, and assumed he meant OTHER PEOPLE'S fear.
It was good advice, terribly explained.
yeah
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I'm going with this theory because the sudden "ooh I'm evil now" twist with Hans when he smiled like that after Anna left drives me crazy.
Ah yes, the summer home in Norway. With a castle. Can we visit?
Also, it could be just me, but after the reveal I always interpreted Hans' smile as smug rather than warm fuzzies.
Also, also, actually, Actually, it was the parents that decided the solution was keeping Elsa's magic hidden after the incident, rather than Papi and the trolls who removed what was there that would have presumably caused harm left untreated. A good analogy for it is wood. Like, if you get a splinter, it has to be removed before it gets infected, but their parents basically said "No more wood ever." So Anna is fine when exposed to wood again (you know before being stabbed in the heart), she just wished she remembered wood existed. Thanks for coming to my TED Talk. :)
Molly R
We see Hans’s Smug Smile when he’s gloating and leaving Anna to freeze to death post FixerUpper.
The smile under the boat when he’s soaking wet is pure smitten Derp Man
Fair enough ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I would like to note that my dad, who is a professional marriage and family therapist, has claimed Hans to be one of the most realistic predators he's seen in a movie, and specifically defends the moment in the boat in a very simple way. Hans is manipulative. To everyone. All the time. He's not going to drop his act in the open like that. He's still in character.
I believe you and anyone that doesn't can go watch Cinematherapy's video on hans. also I don't really see Hans smile under the boat as only being good because:
1. movies/comics/whatever has most likely changed what we perceive as an evil smile (hint: not everyone is as obviously focused on their own goals as the Duke of weaselton)
2. he could genuinely be happy in that moment as he could easily have realized just how easy it was going to be to manipulate Anna into marrying him.
also if you want Hans to be good then why in the world did he propose to Anna after JUST ONE DAY when he would have obviously known better?
Totally agree
@@whatusernameis5295is there a comment missing to which you replied? Because OP doesn’t claim Hans is good, the opposite is true.
It's just the historical nerd in me, but historical large royal famlies like Han's family the youngest children of the family would be married off to minor nobles, or a princess/prince that would have no chance to the throne but in the case of Hans he would have had a chance to throne if he would have married Anna.
This is why it would be so cool to see a movie from his perspective back with his family, yelling at him for blowing his shot and him having no idea what happened because he genuinely loved her but then he blacked out after seeing a few moving rocks and then woke up back in his parents castle. Frozen 3 lets gooooo
Historically speaking Hans might not have any succession rights if he married Anna. Check out MatPat’s theory, he talks about succession rights of queen’s spouses.
When Kristoff said that people will “cheat” and “beat” you as well as his overall disdain for other people, wherever he was before the trolls was _not_ a good situation. The other ice harvesters may have been glad to get rid of him for all we know.
As for the troll’s advice, they say “fear will be Elsa’s enemy.” The graphic shows Elsa being attacked, which seeing that they knew what clothes she’d be wearing and what hair style she’d have reads to me as prophetic-aka what would happen with fear of her ice powers. HER fear. They were trying to warn her not to be afraid of herself. The family took it the wrong way.
Yes, but they showed her being attacked BY OTHER PEOPLE. It looks prophetic, but what are they prophesying? Maybe they were pretending to prophesy that Elsa would be attacked, so that the king and queen would lock her up and ruin the kingdom.
@@christianali5431 They were attacking her about what she did
yeah plus agnar teaches Elsa the mantra "conceal; don't feel" (and I think "don't let them know" gets added to it in the Broadway show) which is a terrible thing to teach anybody.
although on the flip side Elsa is pretty obviously scared when they warn her about her powers and I don't really see anyone try to comfort her (tbf the scene is basically over by then) and also her parents are for the most part following the troll's advice (like keeping Anna and Elsa separated and removing Anna's memories of Elsa's magic)
So I guess Disney was just...
TROLLING us!
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watches Seamus video explaining how this theory doesn't work: Yes I agree.
watches SCB video explaining how this theory does work: Yes I agree.
Oh my gosh! What’s the title of Seamus’s video? I would love to watch!!
I already knew this theory from MatPat but I think you guys actually added completely different points to him and went in a different direction to end up at the same conclusion. People claiming you stole this theory clearly only watched the first few minutes- I think this theory and the one on Film Theory go pretty well together! Keep up the great work guys :D
what if Hans realized while Anna and Kristoff were away, and he was put in charge, that if Anna and Elsa were out of the way, he could be put in charge. Which would explain why he saves Elsa, because even if it looked like an accident, he would want people to think of him as a good ruler, and why he decided he didn’t need to marry Anna?
But he told everyone they were married right before she died, even though it turned out she wasn't actually dead.
It probably wouldn't change the part where Hans didn't make any attempt to talk to Elsa despite what he says in his monologue to Anna however, though could always be ruled as a plot hole.
At the point when Hans is trying to talk Else down instead of killing her, he is attempting to "seal the deal" with Anna. Either he succeeds, takes her prisoner, and has Annas complete trust now set in some kind of unbreakable ice or he fails, Elsa dies, and he looks more like the heroic figure he wants to appear to be and gets Annas complete trust (yadda yadda yadda). Either way it goes, it's that final push that makes him seem unimpeachable in the eyes of Anna and the soldiers or Arendale. THAT was his reasoning for doing it and while it didn't pay off in the end, it wasn't a bad tactic.
trying to talk her down is fine. but why did he stop the guy shooting the crossbow?
he could have just said he tried but the the men under orders of Duke Weaselton killed her.
what makes more sense is that he didn't want Elsa dead until after she got rid of the endless winter.
kinda the exact opposite he lets Elsa dies he would basically become the closest person to Anna so she would literally be desperate and now wouldn't have a voice of reasoning in her ear to tell her she shouldn't marry him. So Elsa out the way the easier it is for him
Also, he could be smiling because he's happy he found a princess that likes him that reigns over a beautiful kingdom.
But at that point, nobody knows who the princesses are
But that isn't a smile of greed
Seems legit, can’t argue with that
Max Dempsey she tells him she’s a princess though
@@saschapackard2759 from my memory she doesn't I think all she says is I'm late to the coronation or something like that
Me: *Sees title* I knew it!!
8:17-
Ben: And that is when the real villains step in, the trolls!
Also me: Well, I personally think its at the beginning of the movie.
Here's why-
It was literally they're fault Elsa couldn't control her powers in the first place!
At the beginning of the movie when the king and queen (Forgot their names lol) took Anna and Elsa to the trolls, Grandpappy said, "Your power will only grow. There is beauty in it, but also great danger. You must learn to control it, Fear will be your enemy." (10:18-10:25). He was the one who made Elsa scared of her powers! He was also the one who gave the king the idea to keep Elsa in total isolation away from the outside world, and her sister! And I quote from Ben himself, "I mean, it tears both of their relationships completely apart, leaves them in utter isolation, and drives their parents to go and look for some kind of a cure, which leads to their death! And it turns out that the secret keeping literally drives Elsa to become a recluse, where she has absolutely no control of her powers because she fears them so much, and its not until she actually embraces those powers that she has control over them!" (10:50-11:19). In conclusion, I had the same theory! Just in a different way!
If u made it to the end of my comment, thx for reading!
I know it was long, I just rlly wanted to share it with u all, and maybe Ben and J will see my comment! =3
I will always read a good theory
I’ve always thought that they were bad. I mean, I’m pretty sure that they completely changed Hans’s personality so that Anna and Kristoff would end up together instead.
“Get the fiancé out of the way and the whole thing will be fixed” I mean they basically admitted to it.
Edit: I did write this before I had fully watched the video and yes I now know that he literally says what I commented.
One part I think hampers this theory: how did the trolls deliver their memory magic to Hans in the first place? When we see them memory-mod young Anna, she is there, at their encampment. They make physical contact with her. We never see Hans in the presence of any troll, nor is there a point where it could be plausibly implied that Hans was alone long enough for a troll to mind-mod him.
Unless it totally happened, and on-screen no less, and the only reason we the audience are unaware is because the trolls broke through the fourth wall to mind-mod us in the real world.
On the saving Elsa thing if Hans was responsible for Elsa's death even justifiably it would be grounds to bar him from marrying to Anna for political reasons (it would look bad Mary Queen of Scots was forced to flee Scotland after marring a man suspected of killing her previous husband). Hans was probably just doing everything in his power to keep his hands clean (at least in the eyes of the people)
If they're ever going to make a "Frozen 3" (which they probably will, in all honesty), I really hope they make, at least, one of the trolls the true villian of the franchise. I'll even go as far as to say that the trolls were the reason for Elsa's grandpa's fear of magic along with Hans' villiany. It would all make sense and not have Hans or Grand Pabbie be such flat characters.
F3 confirmed but it will come in atleast in 2030😭
Frozen 2 has opened quite a lot of opportunity. The parents, the Trolls, maybe focus on anna+kristoff this time - cant wait
0:45 I was expecting him to say "but you know what they say: 'The Devil's in the details'"
Also Anna and elsa's parents didn't want to go and see the trolls and only did it as a last resort when elsa became a danger. Also also the book that elsa's father looked at to find the map to get to the trolls had some pretty scary representations of the trolls which implied them being evil.
This makes so much more sense than Hans having been a villain from the start look at that smile, the boy is smitten
There is a reason why the trolls are depicted as spooky shadows in the books Elsa's dad looks through
The cloudy part of the ice is the minerals. That's what makes water enjoyable or satisfying for those who don't like water.
My theory is he keeps Elsa alive just simply to show the kingdom he has the kingdoms best interest at heart.. think about it if my sister is killed by a group of vigilantes led by the guy I was going to marry I wouldn’t want to marry him... if it is documented I saved her but she ended up being killed anyway I would be more appreciative of it... and as far as the accident because he saved her when something happened to the queen during the accident he has a reason to say no I saved the queens life before why would I do that.. now I would admit I think this would’ve been so much better if they Did kiss and nothing happened then he explains his plan
He aims the crossbow at the chandelier so it crushes her but it misses...
Great video! I always thought that Hans gave up his plans because he too thought “true loves kiss” could only come from a dashing young man and since he knew he didn’t truly love her Anna was doomed.
Hans is still the villain tho. He wears GLOVES
So does Kristoff and Anna....
Just when you thought frozen couldn’t get any better, super Carlin brothers makes it so! Love this theory! 😍👌🏻💙✨
5:13 Well there IS the moment when he gestures at the kingdom, rather than at Anna ("I've been searching my whole life to find my own place.").
Me watching film theory: Gets notification for this video
I've seen this somewhere...
OH YEAH!!! Matpat from Film Theory already did this-
(Now i have a Mr beast notification gotta go :P)
Fatima Andrea Saenz Vasquez HEY I’ve seen you! You reply on every comment like this. Now, you don’t even know if they’ve seen the video. Stop accusing them of coping.
@Fatima Andrea Saenz Vasquez dude it's...not copying. A lot of matpat's theories are already popular on places like reddit, he just takes that information and either relays it or develops it. Does that mean Matpat is copying?
I don't think the trolls are malicious at all, they are simply not human and don't realize that what they are doing may cause harm and wouldn't be considered good by our standards.
They seem to be have good knowledge on good and evil and don't seem to be inherently ignorant of human society either considering they understand the concept of marriage.
@@dannylopez5976 what I'm saying is that their idea of good and evi would be diferent from ours, and there is no reason to believe that the concept of marriage is exclusive to humans.
Yeah like that's pretty much exactly how fairies (in the traditional sense which would include trolls, goblins, sprites, selkies etc) are portrayed. Sometimes helpful, sometimes not, but pretty dangerous either way because they are NOT human and don't think like us at all and have a very different sort of 'moral' code
@@CailinRuaAnChead YESS! I couldn't have said it better!
They don't have to be malicious to be villains. Trying to do the right thing in the absolute wrong way describes a vast amount of villains.
10:57 leaves them in total ICE-olation
How I've reconciled Hans's apparent non-villainy towards Elsa as "there is no way Anna would have married him after he "let" Elsa die." He need to secure Anna before Elsa died. After Anna apparently dies, that plan obviously goes out the window
5:08 I agree with you for the most part but I would like to point out subtle hints of manipulation from Hans. When Ana says Elsa shuts down the doors and doesn’t let her do anything Hans says “I would never do that to you”. This is a manipulation tactic that’s used by real manipulators. They’re making you feel like they’re the good guy and everyone close to you is the bad guy, trying to isolate you and make you easier to manipulate because they have no one else. I think there are some other ones but this is all I can think of at the moment
I thought I'd seen them do this before, but it was film theory that talked about the trolls in Frozen being the real villains.
Someone in the comments earlier said they saw this theory in a Reddit post in 2014, so maybe they saw that. Or they're both really smart at posted at weird times
I just re-watched Frozen. In the beginning, Elsa has control of her powers. She has an accident, sure, but so much could have been avoided if the Trolls hadn't mentioned her powers could be dangerous. She's young and the fear obviously only does more harm than good. Also, her parents should have taught her discipline, not fear. "Practice with your powers and you will be able to control them" instead of "lock the castle down and isolate Elsa in hopes she will learn control".
3:40 I've always thought he was smiling at his horse as a sort of joking manner.
I know this was already a theory from Film Theory, but this video actually provided a lot of different evidence, and I think that that just makes the theory even better
At the end of the day we just have to remember that it’s a Disney movie and it doesn’t have to make sense to be a good movie 😂
ok a bit disappointed that they didn’t mention that this was a common theory or that the Film Theorists literally already made a video ab it and I think Seamus has talked ab it. Considering that their last black widow video was ALSO a theory that the film theorists already posted im really disappointed in the scb
Kayleigh O’Donnell yeah I feel like they’re usually good about acknowledging when they make a video on an existing theory. I’ve definitely seen this one before in several places so I’m not sure why they didn’t mention it
@@alisonmirani2114 Maybeeeee, just maybe
They started making this, then while it was getting made, MatPat (Film Theorists) posted the same theory
14:52 - 14:56 (ish) the ‘spoilers, they do later’ made me laugh so hard for some reason.
J, for your ice problems try getting a small, square Igloo-type cooler and take the lid off. Fill 3/4 of the way with water and place in freezer. Be sure to take it out BEFORE it freezes completely, ~12 hours. You'll have a few inches of perfectly clear ice on top since the water freezes from the top down due to the insulation of the cooler on the other sides. Then score/cut/break pieces to your desired size and enjoy!
Trolls have almost exclusively been workers of evil in mythology, they are synonymous with demons, devils, in the english language even before the internet a troll meant someone disgusting.
Ben ranting about clear ice is everything-
On the flip side, Hans' smile can be explained - he doesn't know he just met Princess Anna, he just thinks she is some girl - so he could genuinely have got the fuzzies and then be planning to ignore it to pursue Elsa (or Anna if she really was his original plan and not a fall back) x
I think the things with Hans was he wanted to make it look like he would be a good ruler, talking the queen down from killing people, helping the townsfolk and all, it was so when he got the throne people would dispute it and would except him as their leader.
Yes, I noticed the discrepancies regarding Hans's actions as well, I was very confused...
I refuse to accept any explanation for Hans being the antagonist besides the trolls changing his personality via magical means. Because literally nothing else makes sense considering his behavior and actions over the course of the movie.
I love the theories you guys make, even the Pixar Theory.
I hope y'all came to this conclusion separate from MatPat. He said basically these exact same things, using almost the exact points. Personally, I think y'all did so independently, because once I heard that Disney changed the story in order for Elsa to not be a villain anymore, it made it clear that Hans WASN'T a villain until Elsa wasn't allowed to be a villain, at which point Hans' role was sloppily flipped. They didn't have to make him a villain (I think Hans feeling he had to kill the Elsa in order to save Anna and the kingdom would be very compelling, even for a good guy), but they felt they needed a baddy, so Hans was sacrificed.
I'm still convinced that Hans was never supposed to be the main villan and was a lady minute decision. And I mean a very last minute decision. They were 80% done with the movie and Disney demanded the change but they were on a deadline and didn't have time to go back and make some changes so that's why it's so surprising.
But hey thats a theory a film theory
When he was taking about meeting someone and then being able to break into song and dance with them then they are ‘the one’ I was like, ITS A DISNEY FILM THEY ALL DO IT!
I feel like Disney did an excellent job of telling two stories at once, catering to both purists (original story) and Disney-ists (kids, for example.)
They told the standard Disney story by having Hans be a villain, also conveniently allowing them to keep the trolls good and get that sweet merch opportunity. This version is one that only makes sense after you learn he's bad, of course he was misleading us the whole time to earn Ana and Elsa's trust. Sure, ok.
But they also manage to sneak, underneath the Disney story, the original. The trolls aren't evil, they just have their own intentions and values. Their intention is to marry Kristoff, so they do that. It's all there, they just used Hans as a means to the end. Not malicious per se, perhaps they knew that Kristoff really was a better match for Ana than Hans would have been.
I applaud Disney's ability to do this, and thank you for making me think about it.
If you do buy the summer home in Norway, I'd love to see a tour video.
He notices the chandelier is right above Elsa. He is hoping that when he pushes the bow away from Elsa and towards the chandelier that when it falls it will crush her. Then he can claim “I was trying to save the queen but I failed”
This could be Frozen III, where Hans admits that the trolls are evil.
Your all forgetting Hans was put in charge before Anna left to find her sister and the subjects didn't seem to care! If the dude never left he might have gotten away with Elsa hiding and Anna dead by being frozen. He was put in charge of the kingdom and didn't have to do a thing, everyone, at the party, knew they were engaged! Like Hans, your best plan would have been to stay at the castle Elsa would have been assumed dead Anna would actually be dead and you didn't habe to lift a finger!
I wonder if you could submerge a silicone ice cube mold in a bowl of water and freeze that - if this would make a clear ice cube?
Ben: Ranting about clear ice
Me: I SUPPORT YOUR IDEA!
Only meeting in Las Vegas do couples get married in the same day. Hans decided to take the kingdom when Elsa's powers manifested. The fact Anna and he had great chemistry was bonus. When he realized that Anna was dying he decided to blame Elsa.
I wonder how many people recognized the trolls at 8:37.
I even have a book with that exact picture.
Hans didn't want anyone to know his plan, so it behooves him for everyone else to think that he wants to help. It is still all super convoluted though. As far as the smile under the boat, that's just straight misdirect. Also how good a word us behoove?
The only indication I've noticed that Hans has ulterior motives is a slight glance upwards when he saves Elsa from the guy about to shoot her. So I aalways saw it as a "Oh look at that I tried to save you. Oh no it hit that chandelier." Kind of moment. But yea nothing about his motivation or anything else he does makes any sense.
I guess you can say that he really wanted to impress people. But isn’t that bit to complicated he could have at least if Elsa died. Pretended to be sad not able to save her. He could done something to pretend want to save Elsa but couldn’t do it or smth
The devil was actually disguised as a hobgoblin
at time 3:51 when he did the evil laugh, I choked on my drink not kidding
I saw this on my feed right before I was going to bed you are making me lose sleep
It’s scary when the movie has very...interesting...lines. A very strong theory, nice job Ben!
My only explanation for why Hans aborts his plan of marrying Anna and killing Elsa is because he thinks Anna is about to die and he knows kissing her won't work because he doesn't really love her. However, that still doesn't explain why he saved Elsa's life or why he actually has a better connection with Anna than many people in Disney movies who actually end up together. Plus, how come the trolls say it's easier to fix a mind problem by erasing someone's happy memories with their sister than it is to fix a problem with the heart that can literally be solved with a hug? That seems fishy.
Funny that you covered EXACTLY the same issues I have had with this movie since it came out. Like hey, I am all up for a "plot twist" but you still have to give some sort of sense to your character. If we'd seen Hans plotting behind her, change his attitude when he was alone or SOMETHING, it could have made sense. Idk, it just looks like he went through way too much for the sisters if that was the plan he had from the start. Why warn Elsa at the castle? She could have been turned into a villain in that very moment in front of her people after killing up a dude sending him flying off from her castle? (also possibly killed by the other dude). BESIDES, by that point, Anna had let him in charge so why go look for her? They both could have been killed and then "you are all we have left" and he could argue he was trying to follow her wishes. But yeah, if the Trolls had anything to do with it (as per Fixer Upper), I wish they'd also be more clear about it in the movie.
3:48 I read somewhere that hans was a "mirror"
All I got from this video is that the trolls have motives that are inherently confusing but somewhat evil
The Trolls wanted an easily manipulated King who no one would question as behaving weird when he does what the trolls want him to do.
"you know what they say potato patrollo. I don't know if they say that."
why is that me tho
his 'oh Anna' is my favorite part of any Disney film ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This video is so random (not the main video, but lots of random things *in* the video) and I love it. XD
How could the trolls change Hans memory if he never went to visit them..?
The little line that flashes on the screen says, “ to be fair he doesn’t propose to her for a while but he certainly decides he’s in love with her enough to risk his and Sven’s life.” It took me AGES to pause the video at exactly the right time🤣
I always go into an SCB video thinking that their theory is crazy, but leave completely agreeing with them. 🤣 What sort of magic is this
Those shackles are truly terrifying. Hans didn't have time to make those. Meaning they were there already... Meaning Elsa's parents or guardians should have made them at some point
This actually makes a lot of sense l. It seemed so odd that Hans’ villain turn was so abrupt without any context whatsoever
Hans doesn’t care about saving Elsa at the end because in the prison cell, she already told him that she doesn’t know how to end the eternal winter
Underrated opinion - Trolles manipulated them all, when you look at it the changes in people's behaviour started when they met the trolls for example Elsa was not so depressed, Kristoff was NOT trying to win Anna, Anna didn't even think that way even olaf, and Hans was not evil, what can be their agenda I have no idea maybe they just want little bit of drama
"And you know what they say! Potato patroldo... Idk if they say that"
If you watch Hans' eyes right before he saves Elsa, he looks up at the chandelier before aiming the cross bow away from her and shooting it down. I think he wanted it too look like he tried to save her but she died anyway
5:55 Sorry to break it to you, but a summer home in Norway is no quarantee for ice, we have 18+ Celcius (65) the last few nights that does NOT = ice.
TBH we barely have ice in the winder here...
I love Ben's "Totally hilarious"
I love this theory. It makes so many things that didn't make sense fit nicely. I can see it now: "Frozen 3 - Kingdom of the Trolls".
What if their ultimate goal was to make Kristoff King? Grand Pappy had a vision about a "Troll" King, and when they found Kristoff as a child raised him and when Anna was brought for help, they saw how they could manipulate the threads of fate to make Anna eventually Marry Kristoff.. Frozen 3 will be when the Trolls manipulate Elsa's death so that Anna will be Queen and Kristoff King - that is when they do some more "mind play" and make Kristoff do some crazy rules to make Troll Kind the masters of the human race.
Yes, this finally stitches it all together. Thank you.
What is worst is there was no reason for him to go BAD anyway. Even if the Trolls didn't do anything, the story Plot didn't need a villain. Alright, how about when he goes to kiss Anna and it doesn't work. It doesn't work because he not in "LOVE" with her. Oh he's could be attracted to her, but love and True love? He tells Anna the truth, that he's the seventh son and that he wants to love ANNA but hasn't fallen in love with her. So he makes her comfortable and says "There is only one way to save you, Anna, you may hate me after... I hope you forgive me. Your sister has to die, to save Arendelle, and to save you. I'm sorry." Then he leaves and locks the door. The rest of the movie follows the same path no changes, Everything is the same even Anna dropping her hopes of love from Hans and falling for Kristoff. The Whole Hans or Trolls being EVIL is useless unnecessary. This change would also go with the theme of the rest of Anna and Kristoff's story, you don't fall in love with one song.
Literally! Like, when Hans meets Anna for the first time, he falls into the water, right? AND SEE HIS FACE. That smile isn't an evil smile. It's more of a 'you got me smitten' smile and ya'll can't convince me otherwise
if you want clear ice, freeze a larger chunk of water in like a cooler, and then carve it down so you can get multiple super clear ice, rather than trying to freeze perfectly clear individual cubes
I always took hans good guy part as just him playing that a part even at the ice castle because only 2 of the guards with him are his and he needs to look like hes trying to save her to trick them into believing hes a great guy so they would not argue his ruling if both girls have an accedent
10:38 She was trying NOT to reveal her powers.
i just imagined the lead troll saying trollbots rollout