Diana are probably the most under used rifle in the uk, but are also one of the most accurate springers out there and the t06 trigger is as good as if not better than any springer out today.
Diana … I once knew a Diana who was a true Magnum Springer in her own right … and the rifle is excellent also ! The hand shaped stock … the fine steel work … and 16 foot pounds is plenty of knock down power
I have the Diana 470 TH, also in .177. In most, the exact same rifle except no fixed sights and a thumbhole stock. If you stumble over one - but it! They stopped making them last year I believe. You can safely fit the Vortek HO kit if you like, it retains the accuracy. Beware of barrel droop if you fit a scope.
I have Diana 460 in 22. I love the fit and finish. My biggest complaint is the loading breech. It doesn't hold the pellet too tightly and if it falls back, it drops down and out to the floor. Nothing like the HW97. Great video and once more thank you for sharing.
The Diana 430-440-460-K98 series rifles have a defect in the cocking lever mechanism. A steel pin tends to break from the repeated stress of cocking the powerful mainspring. I've experienced three pin failures in my Dianas rifles in the mentioned model numbers, specifically a 430 and two K98s. If you are going to keep your 460, you may wish to keep a few of the pins in question on hand. I ordered pins from TWC in England. I cringe every time I cock the Dianas with the mentioned undercover cocking system.
It is a nice looking air rifle , was on my list at one time , though I read in the under cocking lever where it connects is a weak point you need to watch if pin gets loose . As with all air guns they evidently need work. 😎👍🏻
Hey Kevin, Looking forward to seeing upcoming video on this rifle. I have a Diana 350 with a Vortek kit. Well behaved powerhouse in .22. BTW I got my FWB 150 scoped with a Weaver K3 with a 3 post reticule. Having a blast shooting Bullseye and hitting everything! Scott in Pa.
Hi You are right... Diana make some nice air rifles... I have the 280 break barrel with the TO6 trigger. When I got it new it felt over sprung and hard to cock so replaced the spring with a smaller diameter and thinner wired one...with appropriate top hat and guide. Now it's easy to cock and produces more muzzle energy... I can't figure that!!!
You could have moved the front sight closer to the camera and paused it there for longer, Kevin, small scree on a phone. And could have given us an accurate pull weight of the cocking weight by using a scale. Especially seeing you believe this one is of a higher weight. I'm only attempting to be helpful; a review really should cover all the aspects of a gun. Thanks for showing it. A plastic, too wide front sight on such a gun with a reputation as that one would be a deal breaker. It's a good looking one, including the stock.
@@razor1962 for sure looks like we have similar taste. I used to be avid airgunner in Mongolia. Since moving to Canada i found airgun culture is not very strong here.
@Byerdikhan Khizmyet as I understand it, there's a ridiculous power limit, or is it a velocity limit of 500 fps. Something to that effect in Canada. That makes it hard to get serious about airguns. Unless I'm completely mistaken, and there is no such restriction...? Thanks for coming along for the ride, my friend.
@@razor1962 exactly , if you dont have a firearm license you are stuck with under 495fps red ryders and gamos that have been detuned. It is such a ridiculous rule that makes you not bother at all. Funny thing is that 495fps doesnt apply to calibers. I used to own Prosport and helped my friends to import Tx200, walther parrus, fx impact, diana 48, 54, hw9 etc. Today was looking at stoeger 3000c youth rifle and thinking of buying out of desperation. So you would undertsand the dire situation in Canada.
Nice rifle my friend👍Yes the front sight should be made of metal. Always good with some extra weight in front of the barrel. I've got my second HW97K last week 😁 Very happy with it. Now i have the thumbhole and the normal version stock. Both are in .177cal. I used the thumbhole always for target shooting and on the new one i will mount a Airmax scope with a lower magnification that will be more suitable for hunting. Cheers!
Nice looking rifle. A lot of the underlever and side lever rifles seem a bit fidly to load. About 35 years ago I had a Webley Ospray, I remember that being nice to load, side lever and a rotating pellet loader on top.......hmm might look out for one 👀
Hi Mick. Yes, I find the sliding breech system a little tricky to load. A tap loader is a nice alternative but as Peter mentioned, you can lose a little accuracy with a tap. Thanks as always my friend.
Hey, Mick... The Webley Osprey was an excellent rifle and responds Very Well to tuning. Once sorted they are Smooth, Simple, highly reliable shooter's, and Highly Collectible ! 😀👍
Great video, really like the look of the Diana 460, how do you think the 460 compares to the Weihrauch HW's & Air Arms TX200 in terms of performance and quality of fit & finish ?
Thanks very much. Performance wise, the 460 is a little less accurate at least with the pellets that I've tested so far. It's slightly more powerful than the 97 which is more powerful than the TX200. Fit and finish goes to the TX200 with the 97 not far behind. The 460's (Diana guns in general) metal work isn't polished quite as much as the HWs and the TX is just a world beyond with their bluing. The 460 stock however is very, very nice. I'd like to see less plastic on the 460. Thanks as always my friend.
Hi Steve. I used to own a Beeman C1 Carbine air rifle. It was 38" long, and it was indeed carbine sized. Check it out... www.pyramydair.com/blog/2019/07/beeman-c1-part-1/
Hi Stephen. I haven't had any experience with the newer recoiless rifles from Diana. I have been kicking around buying a 54. Hoping to find one second hand.
The Original Diana Mod. 54 Air King is the single finest FAC Sliding Sledge air rifle ever made and second only to the Whiscombe $$$$.$$ 💰 GISS Recoilless rifles. In my opinion weighed against the hefty price of the Whiscombe's the Diana Air King is the obvious choice ! 😉👍 Naturally the Mod. 54 IS still in production over 2 decades later. 😏 Makes it A LOT Easier to find parts and service... 🤷🏼♂️
Too bad for me, it doesn't come in a left handed version. Actually, I am right handed, but my dominant eye is the left one. Unlike what most people think, it is the eye that determines the orientation of the rifle, not the hand. I learned to fire the FN FAL 'left handed' 42 years ago, when I did my military service in the Belgian army. I got used to it in only a couple of days. Now, I can't even imagine picking up and shooting a gun right handed.
I'm a lefty myself. I find the 460 to be relatively easy to operate. I'm left eye dominant as well. I hold a pistol in my right hand while aiming with my left eye. Thanks for watching, my friend.
Hi Nibs Your comment just showed up in my feed as unresponded to. If that's the case I apologize. I try to reply to all of my viewer comments. I know that as my channel grows, there will come a time when that's not possible but for now, I'm sorry that I missed this one.
nice find , real shame they skimped on the foresight my old mod 50 had beutifully made steel rearsight & tunnel foresight with interchangeble elements.
Hi sir how are you?hope sir you always fine..sir how can I change diana 460 magnum breech o ring.?plz help sir have any video about breech I ring Are seal.send me link..thanks.sir I'm waiting your replying..
Those huge plastic foresights on Dianas, Cometas etc are a real put off for me, if they were removable (the top bit) but retaining the latch they would sell a lot better, great guns ruined by the foresights.
Hi David, I'll have to agree with you. Not only are those tall sights unsightly (no pun intended), they're also prone to damage because they're exposed so well. Thanks so much for watching, my friend.
@davidoldboy5425 First of all, thanks so much for your viewership. I put two whitetail in the freezer during muzzleloader season. It's currently archery season now until the end of the month. I've been hunting hard trying to get a deer for an old friend. He was my mentor and taught me a lot with regard to hunting. His health isn't what it used to be, so he no longer hunts. I told him that I'll try to procure some venison for him and that we'd butcher it together just like old times. The archery season runs until the end of January, and then it's back to producing videos for the channel. Thanks again, my friend.
@Frank Maze This one's made in Germany. From some of the comments, there may be some issues with the cocking linkage on these rifles as well as an I'll fitting breech seal. Time will tell I suppose.
I think RWS is stopping operations. They don't make percussion caps anymore and the newer air rifles selling in the stores are just Diana, made in Germany.
I typically do what I call a bench test on every new rifle that I acquire. In these tests, I provide an accuracy test at 25 yards. I don't have the space to perform a 100-yard test, nor do I consider 100 yards to be a reasonable distance for a typical, piston powered air rifle. Bench test video: th-cam.com/video/rjrOqdNccSI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=IpiGW36vu9uLHl15
Diana are probably the most under used rifle in the uk, but are also one of the most accurate springers out there and the t06 trigger is as good as if not better than any springer out today.
Very nice trigger indeed. Thanks as always Robert.
Looks like a really nice find 🙂👍
Thanks very much.
Diana … I once knew a Diana who was a true Magnum Springer in her own right … and the rifle is excellent also ! The hand shaped stock … the fine steel work … and 16 foot pounds is plenty of knock down power
Thanks Richard. Gotta' look out for those Dianas.
I have the Diana 470 TH, also in .177. In most, the exact same rifle except no fixed sights and a thumbhole stock. If you stumble over one - but it! They stopped making them last year I believe.
You can safely fit the Vortek HO kit if you like, it retains the accuracy. Beware of barrel droop if you fit a scope.
Thanks Peter. I'll keep an eye out for the thumbhole version.
Thanks as always my friend.
Lovely rifle and a very nice video
Thanks so much for watching my friend.
I have Diana 460 in 22. I love the fit and finish. My biggest complaint is the loading breech. It doesn't hold the pellet too tightly and if it falls back, it drops down and out to the floor. Nothing like the HW97. Great video and once more thank you for sharing.
Thanks Gibster. So far I haven't had that issue but I haven't found the right pellets either. Thanks as always my friend.
bigger headsize a option
Such a gorgeous rifle.
Thanks Iwan.
Looks mean nothing.......is it accurate ?
Nice rifle and if that’s the sound it makes it’s a keeper, can’t wait to see it do an accuracy test. Diana are a great brand.
Thanks Pat. It's got a Vortek kit installed. They always sound like that. Diana does make a fine airgun.
I know the Chaser is quality, enduring and accurate.
The Diana 430-440-460-K98 series rifles have a defect in the cocking lever mechanism. A steel pin tends to break from the repeated stress of cocking the powerful mainspring. I've experienced three pin failures in my Dianas rifles in the mentioned model numbers, specifically a 430 and two K98s. If you are going to keep your 460, you may wish to keep a few of the pins in question on hand. I ordered pins from TWC in England.
I cringe every time I cock the Dianas with the mentioned undercover cocking system.
Yup. You've got my attention. I'll keep an eye on that pin. Thanks so much for the heads-up. It's very much appreciated.
is there not on the market a pin available thats is made from stronger material then the orginal
How exactly does "Proper Steel" break ? 🤨 Not a big confidence booster, especially when it applies to multiple formats. 😣
@@peteralexben I know someone was offering an improved pin. Still trying to look it up ? 🤷🏼♂️
wow, she is so beautiful! I had a 260, swapped it for a HW30. I will buy a 460 for sure in future.
The rifle has definitely got the "looks" box checked. Thanks as always my friend.
It is a nice looking air rifle , was on my list at one time , though I read in the under cocking lever where it connects is a weak point you need to watch if pin gets loose . As with all air guns they evidently need work. 😎👍🏻
Thanks Peter. You're the second to mention that pin. I'll definitely keep an eye on it. Thanks as always my friend.
@@razor1962 Welcome Kevin
Looking forward to seeing the performance after you have a scope on top ! thanks Kevin.
Thanks Dave. Still trying to find a pellet that it likes.
Hey Kevin, Looking forward to seeing upcoming video on this rifle. I have a Diana 350 with a Vortek kit. Well behaved powerhouse in .22. BTW I got my FWB 150 scoped with a Weaver K3 with a 3 post reticule. Having a blast shooting Bullseye and hitting everything! Scott in Pa.
Thanks Scott. Glad to hear that you're enjoying that 150.
Thanks as always my friend.
Hi
You are right... Diana make some nice air rifles... I have the 280 break barrel with the TO6 trigger.
When I got it new it felt over sprung and hard to cock so replaced the spring with a smaller diameter and thinner wired one...with appropriate top hat and guide. Now it's easy to cock and produces more muzzle energy... I can't figure that!!!
Hmmm...Yeah Tony, that's a head scratcher....Thanks as always my friend.
Nice looking rifle
Thanks John.
You could have moved the front sight closer to the camera and paused it there for longer, Kevin, small scree on a phone. And could have given us an accurate pull weight of the cocking weight by using a scale. Especially seeing you believe this one is of a higher weight. I'm only attempting to be helpful;
a review really should cover all the aspects of a gun.
Thanks for showing it.
A plastic, too wide front sight on such a gun with a reputation as that one would be a deal breaker.
It's a good looking one, including the stock.
Thanks as always Joe.
Dang it every high end springer i look for you have an review on it. Want to spend a day with you
I hope that means that you'll keep returning to the channel my friend.
@@razor1962 for sure looks like we have similar taste. I used to be avid airgunner in Mongolia. Since moving to Canada i found airgun culture is not very strong here.
@Byerdikhan Khizmyet as I understand it, there's a ridiculous power limit, or is it a velocity limit of 500 fps. Something to that effect in Canada. That makes it hard to get serious about airguns. Unless I'm completely mistaken, and there is no such restriction...?
Thanks for coming along for the ride, my friend.
@@razor1962 exactly , if you dont have a firearm license you are stuck with under 495fps red ryders and gamos that have been detuned. It is such a ridiculous rule that makes you not bother at all. Funny thing is that 495fps doesnt apply to calibers. I used to own Prosport and helped my friends to import Tx200, walther parrus, fx impact, diana 48, 54, hw9 etc. Today was looking at stoeger 3000c youth rifle and thinking of buying out of desperation. So you would undertsand the dire situation in Canada.
Nice rifle my friend👍Yes the front sight should be made of metal. Always good with some extra weight in front of the barrel. I've got my second HW97K last week 😁 Very happy with it. Now i have the thumbhole and the normal version stock. Both are in .177cal. I used the thumbhole always for target shooting and on the new one i will mount a Airmax scope with a lower magnification that will be more suitable for hunting. Cheers!
Congratulations on your 2nd 97K Ron. Wonderful rifles.
Nice looking rifle. A lot of the underlever and side lever rifles seem a bit fidly to load. About 35 years ago I had a Webley Ospray, I remember that being nice to load, side lever and a rotating pellet loader on top.......hmm might look out for one 👀
the rotating load system is not as accurat like loading direct in the barrel l.,the pellet has a unpredictable free flight ,
Hi Mick. Yes, I find the sliding breech system a little tricky to load. A tap loader is a nice alternative but as Peter mentioned, you can lose a little accuracy with a tap. Thanks as always my friend.
@@razor1962 they did a target version, I'll have a little look but not so many around now.
Hey, Mick... The Webley Osprey was an excellent rifle and responds Very Well to tuning. Once sorted they are Smooth, Simple, highly reliable shooter's, and Highly Collectible ! 😀👍
@@marcmyers1465 it was well over 30 years ago that I had it and didn't know much else. I'll struggle to find anything as nice as my FWB 300 though 🤪
Evening Kevin! Snowing to beat the band here in NY
Hey Nibs!.... We had a dusting but Monday night looks like it could dump a little on us.
Great video, really like the look of the Diana 460, how do you think the 460 compares to the Weihrauch HW's & Air Arms TX200 in terms of performance and quality of fit & finish ?
Thanks very much. Performance wise, the 460 is a little less accurate at least with the pellets that I've tested so far. It's slightly more powerful than the 97 which is more powerful than the TX200. Fit and finish goes to the TX200 with the 97 not far behind. The 460's (Diana guns in general) metal work isn't polished quite as much as the HWs and the TX is just a world beyond with their bluing. The 460 stock however is very, very nice. I'd like to see less plastic on the 460.
Thanks as always my friend.
What would you consider the length of a rifle to be a carbine ? Thank you
Hi Steve. I used to own a Beeman C1 Carbine air rifle. It was 38" long, and it was indeed carbine sized. Check it out...
www.pyramydair.com/blog/2019/07/beeman-c1-part-1/
@@razor1962 thank you
Carbines are generally 39" or less. Basically a Brush & Field rifle. 😉
Hi Kevin, what do you think of the new Diana semi Recoiless air rifle like the Diana 54 ? Have you ever shot a Diana 54 ?
Kind Regards steve
Hi Stephen. I haven't had any experience with the newer recoiless rifles from Diana. I have been kicking around buying a 54. Hoping to find one second hand.
The Original Diana Mod. 54 Air King is the single finest FAC Sliding Sledge air rifle ever made and second only to the Whiscombe $$$$.$$ 💰 GISS Recoilless rifles.
In my opinion weighed against the hefty price of the Whiscombe's the Diana Air King is the obvious choice ! 😉👍
Naturally the Mod. 54 IS still in production over 2 decades later. 😏 Makes it A LOT Easier to find parts and service... 🤷🏼♂️
What is the FPS WITH, HOBBY PELLETS??
Don't know. Never tried them. Sorry. Thanks for watching.
Where do you buy your used Air Rifles Kevin ?
I watch the various airgun classifieds mostly.
Too bad for me, it doesn't come in a left handed version. Actually, I am right handed, but my dominant eye is the left one. Unlike what most people think, it is the eye that determines the orientation of the rifle, not the hand. I learned to fire the FN FAL 'left handed' 42 years ago, when I did my military service in the Belgian army. I got used to it in only a couple of days. Now, I can't even imagine picking up and shooting a gun right handed.
I'm a lefty myself. I find the 460 to be relatively easy to operate.
I'm left eye dominant as well. I hold a pistol in my right hand while aiming with my left eye.
Thanks for watching, my friend.
Nice looking rifle, just don’t let Mark build a custom stock for this one😊
🤫
I have the 350 magnum
Nice rifle!
It sure is!
Hi Nibs
Your comment just showed up in my feed as unresponded to. If that's the case I apologize. I try to reply to all of my viewer comments. I know that as my channel grows, there will come a time when that's not possible but for now, I'm sorry that I missed this one.
nice find , real shame they skimped on the foresight my old mod 50 had beutifully made steel rearsight & tunnel foresight with interchangeble elements.
It really is a shame that quality is so difficult to maintain while still remaining competitive in today's market. Thanks for watching my friend.
Never understood that front sight. 🤦🏼♂️The 350M has a Wonderful Globe sight ! WTAF ? 🤷🏼♂️
Hi sir how are you?hope sir you always fine..sir how can I change diana 460 magnum breech o ring.?plz help sir have any video about breech I ring Are seal.send me link..thanks.sir I'm waiting your replying..
Hi Sam. I haven't had to change the breech seal in my 460 yet. When I do, I'll be sure to post a video.
Thanks for watching my friend.
Those huge plastic foresights on Dianas, Cometas etc are a real put off for me, if they were removable (the top bit) but retaining the latch they would sell a lot better, great guns ruined by the foresights.
Hi David, I'll have to agree with you. Not only are those tall sights unsightly (no pun intended), they're also prone to damage because they're exposed so well.
Thanks so much for watching, my friend.
@@razor1962 Since discovering you I've watched every episode. How did your hunting go?, you've been quiet.
@davidoldboy5425 First of all, thanks so much for your viewership.
I put two whitetail in the freezer during muzzleloader season. It's currently archery season now until the end of the month. I've been hunting hard trying to get a deer for an old friend. He was my mentor and taught me a lot with regard to hunting. His health isn't what it used to be, so he no longer hunts. I told him that I'll try to procure some venison for him and that we'd butcher it together just like old times.
The archery season runs until the end of January, and then it's back to producing videos for the channel.
Thanks again, my friend.
And also the trigger guard is plastic which is another turn off.
Look at the end/sight. Does it say RWS anywhere on it, or made in Germany? I would sincerely question it's heritage. It might be some Chinese junk. 😥
Whatever it is, it doesn't work. 😁
The blade is much too wide.
@@razor1962 Diana is a turncoat and sellout, and that's why RWS dropped them. If you buy another Diana make sure it's RWS.
@@razor1962 also RWS has always prided itself on accuracy, do you think they would have made that wide blade plastic sight?
@Frank Maze This one's made in Germany. From some of the comments, there may be some issues with the cocking linkage on these rifles as well as an I'll fitting breech seal. Time will tell I suppose.
I think RWS is stopping operations. They don't make percussion caps anymore and the newer air rifles selling in the stores are just Diana, made in Germany.
Never did get to the " accuracy " of the rifle. Any rifle is worthless unless its accurate ! Lets see the accuracy out to 100 yards / meters ?
I typically do what I call a bench test on every new rifle that I acquire. In these tests, I provide an accuracy test at 25 yards.
I don't have the space to perform a 100-yard test, nor do I consider 100 yards to be a reasonable distance for a typical, piston powered air rifle.
Bench test video:
th-cam.com/video/rjrOqdNccSI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=IpiGW36vu9uLHl15