@helloworld.w6075. Need a big enough local market to sustain the company's product development and growth, which Boeing Airbus have, and so does comac.
@@helloworld.w6075not even close. Embraer don't have medium jets to compete with the a320 family. Not possible in near by future, they will always remain regional jet maker.
One thing for sure China will push its state owned aircraft to adopt C919. For overseas market the aircraft still need certification from Europe & US to make it fit to fly. This certification would be a long process as long as the duopoly still dominate the market!
In addition to certification, there is the matter of "track record". This can only be established after 5-10 years of trouble and accident free operation.
Note that USA or EU certification is only required to fly in or to the USA or EU. Many other countries will accept the Chinese certification so Comac can still get lots of sales outside the USA and EU.
The West isn't the world. After all, who stop the 737 Max in its tracks? It certainly wasn't the FAA who dithered but China refusing that aircraft's certification to fly. The world followed China's lead. The rest is history. And China doesn't need to wait for Europe and the US. China and its friends will allow the aircraft to fly just with Chinese certification. Not only in China (big country on its own) but elsewhere e.g. Russia? which is a massive country.
Gotta start somewhere. Yes it will take time, but China and other countries who don't care about western certifications are big enough markets to sustain the aircraft.
I am seeing a lot of comments where they say of course the airlines that originate from the same aircraft manufacturer, are going to buy planes from that manufacture. But even then, this is still good for Comac and maybe they can get their C919 to go in International! Bravo air china and china southern!
If you look at the C919 ACAP, you will find that the STD and ER have the same fuel capacity. Therefore, when both take off at MTOW and use their maximum fuel capacity, the range of the STD is actually more advantageous. (Based on the 2022 ACAP, though there may have been some changes since then.) Furthermore, if you look at the TC from the CAAC, you will find that the only difference between the C919 STD and ER is the engine: the STD uses the LEAP-1C28, while the ER uses the LEAP-1C30. According to some rumors, the only difference between the 1C28 and 1C30 is the FADEC.
Boeing's decline presents opportunities for Comac to sell their aircraft. Additionally, the political conflicts between the U.S. and China lead many Chinese to believe that Comac has better designs and performance. The deals between China's major carriers and Comac are largely influenced by political factors. Very similar with domination stage of Boeing in US
Also, why C919 has less range and lower performance comparing with 737max and 320neo family but the main carriers in cn still have to choose it?(especially considering the extra bunch of c919's parts for future maintenance). You know it~
@@smithkenny8034 yeah but China should be invading Taiwan in the next five to eight years and that could result in sanctions if they can't win in a week. And if the United States itself enters into the conflict there will be much more serious pursuit of sanctions evasion. They'll be very serious about making sure that Boeing and GE engines etc are carefully tracking where every part goes. They will want GE to require the old engine be turned over with the serials that are from a plane that we know is owned by an allowed entity to get a replacement one to make sure they know where every part is headed and that it's not going to final destination to China. So this is likely a smart move for China. But the fact that every airline is buying 100 suggests yeah there were marching orders
@@mohwybar5832not quite, for example, in the past they may buy 1000 C919, 1000 boeing, 1000 airbus, something like that, but now it may become 1500 C919, 1500 airbus, or 2000 C919(the number is just for example)
Probably not immediately, but I think over time COMAC will catch up to where it is a competitor in some categories to Boeing and Airbus - more so in developing markets where the lower price tag and generous financing options from China can help sway deals.
@@jgnclvgmng5408indeed, they must liberalise COMAC (not sure of their level of involvement with the government, this might be tough). If western regularly bodies approve, soon partnerships will start to be form for maintenance and all kinds of services with European and American companies eager to enter such a huge market. It would help if they made a widebody, a narrowbody is easier to disregard cause it's gonna make profit anyway just with the domestic market.
Of course the domestic market of China could be enough to turn over C919, but you have to make sure the plane makers don’t rest on laurels under tariff protection and become a Proton automobile (Ask Malaysian Friends what is was) of aerospace.
It'll be interesting to see if we start seeing C919's fitted with the ACAE CJ-1000A engine starting in 2025. That could be important so they aren't so reliant on CFM International for engines on the plane.
@@juhao356 If an aircraft manufacturer produces an aircraft and is using customers as beta testers to avoid a crash, it’s in the wrong business. With all due respect, your comment just doesn’t make sense.
@@hughofIrelandoh they are alright, but they also need to make sure to not make it crash so it’s not easy but they are increasing the production rate, but hey in weibo they already spot 2-3 c919s testing and ready for delivery
Aside the initial capital and technology, building and testing the airframe is actually the easy part. The hard thing is what follows. How to keep it operating with technical support, maintenance, spare parts, training, upgrading etc. All of these will determine whether the aircraft will remain competitive against the duopoly. And then, production. After 7 years in testing they now produced like 10 aircraft, with promise to produce 15 per year. Meanwhile, Airbus is producing that every 10 days.
They're a new player, you expect them to produce the same with boeing and airbus who is market leader for what 50 years? Lmao They must be doin a good job then, you sound worried. The classic putting down the competition to raise yourself up. If you ain't worried, you don't even bother to look at them. Watch out, maybe after 15 years US state Treasury will complain of comac overproduction. The world can't handle the over production cry etc 😂 or it's a threat to national security. Just like how they cry with chinese EV's today. 10 years ago no one take chinese EV seriously.
@@AbdullahNajib-b9z right .. everything is dandy at Boeing, that's why there are 35,000 Boeing employees walking out and striking, and that's just one happy story at Boeing, there are also two astronauts stuck in space because of Boeing... All good. Who are you again ? I don't think you are all caught up with the news buddy. Edit: nevermind, you are just an 11 year old kid. Please research and learn before spreading false information, this is very dangerous to do, and people will not take you seriously. You need to be very careful saying fake information. The world is very dangerous as it with dumb people out there, you don't want to be another dump person.
That's why you have people that go into freak out when riding a plane: they've NEVER had to ride a bus. I've been riding transit buses for DECADES so, for me, riding a plane is nothing and is better than the dirty loud SHAKY transit buses that I ride regularly. The people that freak out on planes are people that just don't ride buses and subway trains and regular trains and only know driving or sitting as a passenger in a car and thus a plane is alien to them.
Comacs planes haven't been sold that much yet so I doubt they will make another plane more over a wide body 😂 most pilots doesn't even know how to fly the plane yet
China domestic air industry will expand greatly in future.China will need thousands of new planes.This is why Comac will be successful.Many developing countries will buy Chinese made planes.
I might sound pessimistic but in current geopolitical situation and the past history of MSS spies stealing IP of US/European aerospace companies for comac and others, Its near certain that FAA won't give comac aircrafts certification or delay it till eternity (similar situation most probably will happen with European certification aswell). Without these two certification Comac may become the UAC of china (thanks to state backing aswell), but probably will never able to expand outwards . Duopoly of airbus and Boeing will continue although i have big hopes for embraer
Wonder how standards are in China… Have they improved enough to be able to maintain 100s of orders and the part replacements for those aircraft afterwards? Let’s see.
China has made significant technological advancements in recent years, particularly in the automotive industry. Chinese cars are improving rapidly and are currently surpassing their German counterparts in Europe. The next frontier is aviation. China should consider selling aircraft to major Middle Eastern airlines like Emirates, Etihad, and Qatar Airways, which need more affordable jets for their daily operations. Developing models similar to the A320 to A350, which are among the best-selling in the aviation industry, would be a strategic move. 😊 Additionally, with the increasing number of millionaires globally, China should conduct market research on small business jets priced up to $10 million. Many new millionaires will seek more affordable alternatives to Gulfstream or Embraer business jets. China has the potential to develop and offer these planes at half the cost, catering to the needs of "self-made" millionaires. The aircraft could be constructed from carbon fiber or other advanced materials and operate autonomously using AI, eliminating the need for a pilot.
It depends on whether the big three Middle Eastern airlines-Emirates, Qatar Airways, and Etihad-decide to compete in the low-cost segment with carriers like Aer Lingus, Ryanair, and Wizz Air. If they choose to do so, they would likely introduce a new airline brand that isn’t directly associated with their premium names. These low-cost airlines would focus on offering lower prices and reducing costs per seat. They would operate with only economy class, without business or first class, but it would still be effective. As you know, if you have enough money, you’d fly in your own A380 business variant, while everyone else would be on the budget version. That’s the reality.
For 109 million US$ this Chinese plane is not cheap enough to make worth the gamble for a western aviation company. Perhaps (in one or two decades, no major incidents) when China produces engines and a lot more components itself (cheaper and as good).
When airbus was rising, the USA penalised airbus accusing govt subsidisation, Europe went to the WTO &c. This went on for a decade before they called a truce. Expect chinese international sellingof aircraft to experience the same tactics and for perhaps a longer period of time. If COMAC succeeds only domestically it will be a successful airline.
I think that it's wonderful news for AvGeeks everywhere. I also think that it's wonderful news for airlines who are hesitant to turn to Boeing considering all of the troubles they've been experiencing in recent years. Maybe this will be the turning point for Boeing to get its crap together and start putting out quality products like they once did? Well done, COMAC!
No it’s not wonderful because there goes my nations GDP and biggest exporter. I don’t mean to be an ass but that is 150,000 jobs and up to 80 billion dollars on the line plus the economy. It is a threat to my country hello the EU also. I say we contain it and keep it domestic but the new CEO should compromise with his unions or just give them what they want so they are happy and they can produce aircraft happily so everyone is happy and I’m not busy pointing out that it is Spirit Aerosystems fault not Boeings.
Who makes the engines (and other components), and how likely will they be sanctioned if the plane get too competitive? All this back and fore sanctioning and tariffs are not good for the world, sigh.
China will slowly switch to domestically produced parts. And China can produce its own fighter jet engines, so they can likely produce high bypass turbofans aswell. They might not be as efficient at first, but they will improve
@@wojomojo I kinda expect the sanction so china forced to use domestic engine, they can make engine for their Y-20, surely not very hard to make engine for c919.
I thought they told they were planning to make 150 aircrafts annually from 2027, but only 20 per year only after 2031 ,tag price of 108 million (already way higher than a320 neo) along with 15-20% less fuel Inefficiency than it aswell .its a very hard sell
I dont know your sources but they have about 1300 orders as of now, so If they suceed to make about 100 in 2025 and 2026 and 150 for 2027, 2028, 2029 2030 and 2031 and only 20 afterwards that means they plan to complete the 200 remaining orders in a 10 years time. And that does not take intoaccount that the amount of orders is probably going to double.
Yeah no that’s bullshit Boeing and Airbus will dominate for decades to come because at least they can put together planes that fly without falling apart for a few months also many trust Airbus over Boeing and Boeing over anything Chinese because they can’t make anything worth a damn.
Good for China and the world. With Boeing screwing up left and right and the potential for a monopoly by Airbus it's good to have options. And for the naysayers that's all good and well. But remember even in their early days, both Boeing and Airbus had planes that went down. Yes most were due to pilot error but it still happened. Ex: Air France 296Q and for Boeing the whole Max debacle.
@@aaltvandenham i wasnt related to any of the victims.im just saying that we should pay the same amount of respect for airbus victims as we do for boeing victims.
They just started. Not everything has to burst out on the scene like Huawei or Black Myth Wukong. But the fact that they are pretty much the only other manufacturer who is willing to challenge the duopoly already signals a shift in the future of high tech aviation. This is not Brazil with their Embrarer or Canada with Bombardier. This is China. Their industrial might and technological know-how and potential are on a totally different power scale.
planes started when the wright bros built one .now look at us today.we have the sleek 777 gracing our skies!aviation now is so popular.one day maybe comac will become popular....trioply.
@@user-yt198 Maybe they are just being cautious. We all know how difficult aircraft manufacturing is, so I understand why they put their numbers at so low. I don't doubt that once they have their management, supply chain and production line up and running properly with enough orders to justify the expansion, their yearly production number will gradually increase. It's the same thing as Chengdu making the J-20. They started off quite low in numbers. Now they are making 100 over per year and will push to even higher numbers in the future. Arguably, a stealth is even harder to build than a commercial airliner in some areas. So I say there is little doubt they will reach the production number needed to fill their orders. The question is what C929 and future variants will bring. I have no doubt that the C929 will be close to 787 and A350 in terms of performance now that they are even making their own jet engines. Maybe not parity but close enough and the price attractive enough to make it a threat. The thing I can see holding Comac back will be how well they are distributed across the world to do service, training and spare parts. Those are not things you can just bum rush.
@@gelinrefira I have a different opinion. 737, A320 and as a result C919 designs are based on a common wing structure which didn't change much for the last 80 years (from the bombers of WWII): A strong wing which can generate enough lift to carry the heavy structure and also carry engines and fuel. Such a wing is inherently inefficient and arrived to the inevitable dead end. The future of civil aviation is in long, thin wings with very high aspect ratio. Developments in material engineering now allow such wings. Airbus and Boeing are well aware of this and they are already working on "Wing of the future" and X-66A projects respectively. It looks to me that Chinese are also aware of this and in the background they are working on their own project. So I believe they see C919 as merely a kind of training project for their civil aviation industry and they are investing more on future developments, which is a good sign for global civil aviation.
It'll be a *long* time before Comac even registers as a potential threat to Airbus and Boeing who are so far ahead of the rest of the competition. I feel like they need to offer something different to have a chance of stealing the big two's lunch, like maybe successfully creating the first true zero emission aircraft (which is also decades away).
That's 50 cents well earned 😉. A part of me wonders how Chinese automakers would have fared without the generous subsidies from their government (which are still ongoing). But credit where it's due, it's undeniable that they've made great strides in their design and manufacturing of EVs, even accounting for those subsidies. A massive edge that BYD and other Chinese automakers have is their ability to make everything in house including batteries (I hear BYD were originally a battery maker), so they have less of a need to rely on vital components sourced elsewhere. Comac will need to do something similar to have a truly competitive aviation industry of their own, but you'll find manufacturing planes is a whole different ball game compared to making phones or EVs due to the sheer number of parts and components needed and how complex the entire thing is. And guess where *most* of the components needed to assemble a plane are sourced? Hint: it's not China. And then there's the safety record they need to demonstrate. Comac are still unproven on that front and all it takes is for one plane to drop from the sky to set them back for years. And for the record, I'm not 'underestimating' China. If there's anyone that can potentially challenge Airbus and Boeing, it could be Comac. The best way is to offer something different, just like how they got in early on EVs, which is why I suggested the zero emission route. Just don't expect it to happen soon... unless of course it's true that they have an army of state sponsored hackers that can help Comac steal the blueprints for vital components, so that they can close the gap on Airbus and Boeing quickly.
Airbus got into the game by offering the world's first twin-engine widebody. The A300 opened a brand-new space in the market that the Americans had been looking into but hadn't really paid much attention to. COMAC is not doing that.
@@dann5480 That's what they are afraid of. Every time it goes like this: China will never be able to do this high tech industry, they entered the industry; then it's China's new products suuuuuuuuccccccckkkkkksss LOLOLOL, so they persevere; then their next gen or 3rd, 4th gen product becomes highly competitive and near parity within an astonishingly short period of time, and their western detractors start accusing them all kinds of nefarious wrongdoing; then the Chinese companies start becoming mature and their products becomes not just competitive, but even better AND cheaper, so their detractors want to ban them or put tariffs on them. The C929 is going to start making them panic. The possible C939 will probably make them wet their pants.
China had to develop and alternative to Boeing and Airbus. With aircraft engines and specialized parts coming from other countries , any introduction of American induced sanctions in this global trade war, will cripple their capacity to keep their existing Boeing and Airbus fleets in the air. so this was always a must do alternative and well done for doing it so impressively!
The C919 uses only the CFM LEAP. Last I checked, CFM was a US-French joint venture. So no, they didn't really do anything to free themselves from the threat of sanctions. They just made the dependence more subtle for the sake of looking like they're becoming independent.
@@GintaPPE1000 yes true but my understanding is they are hard at work on a Chinese variant both for c919 and the new wide body c929 and it is currrntly being tested
Boeing and Airbus are seeing their narrow body market in China disappear before their very eyes. COMAC must be looking forward to EU flight certification and its flight development of its C929 widebody passenger jet. Along with the jets, the engines that go with each series are being developed and produced in parallel, so China is becoming competitive world wide and by the end of this decade, will fly a complete family of aircraft from the ARJ-21 to the C939. We may also see some additional surprises along the way for things like cargo versions, and even military versions.
China can force its local carriers to operate the C919, but the aircraft is not an international threat to Boeing and Airbus. Having said that, the aircraft will likely see sales to authoritarian states in Asia and perhaps Africa as well.
It's more of a backup plan if things get worse and the US and EU start to ban Boeing & Airbus from selling jetliners to China, similar to the significance of SSJ100, Tu 204, and Il-96 for Russia. Doesn't make sense economically, but makes plenty of sense from a national security perspective for China.
@@Zee-q7l Indeed, but unlike the Russian airliners that can use Russian engines, albeit outdated, Chinese airliners need a lot of Western technology, including engines and avionics, so building jets they can't get engines for will be the same as being unable to buy Western aircraft. This is more for national pride than anything.
@@sainnt If you look at the engine development history of their latest stealth fighter jet J-20, you'll understand why. From having to use the Russian engine Saturn AL-31 initially, to equipping J-20 with a domestically made but inferior engine WS-10, then to an improved version of WS-10, and finally to a new engine called WS-15 that is designed for J-20, it took them like 15 years to catch up. I'm assuming that they have the same mentality with the C919 project. They know that they don't have the capacity to produce jetliners that are 100% Chinese at the moment, but they are ready to do that step by step no matter how long it takes, and being able to build one is the first step.
@@Zee-q7lI have no doubt that they will eventually reverse -engineer an engine with a lot of, er...'borrowed' technology, but by the time that happens, they will be behind just like Russia is, but at least they'll be able to build their own aircraft.
it just early phase of the development, 10 years from now after everything goes smoothly, buyers will have different consideration. I remember the early chinese phones compared to nokia. now, majority phones and phone patents (5g, 6g) are from china.
@@DCTag boeing is fine.just listen to airlive or something and youll see airbus are suffering so many emegencies as well. just because daily mail or the telegraph or cnn or whatever just says boeing,it doesnt mean its always boeing.
The tail, fuselage, wings, radar cover are Chinese products. Systems like engines USA/French, flight recorder USA, fire detection system USA, APU USA, doors and signal systems USA, fuel system USA, landing gear system USA, tires USA, weather radar USA, electrical power system USA, Thrust system France, flight control system USA.
180M dollars per plane? Better buy an Embraer E190. Airlines can buy 3 to 4 E series jets for 1 Comac. Embraer definitely has better quality. Whereas, China is not known for quality.
The range is too short, plus you won't get many people from western countries to fly on a Chinese state endorsed plane without many years of crash free flights.
@@adamunterwalcher5094 Even the "long range" version has a much shorter range than A320s and B737s. Anyway, there have been no attempts to get the plane certified with the European aviation body, or as far as I know, anywhere outside China.
The clowns claiming China won't eventually dominate this industry are the same clowns who used to say, just a few years ago, that China wouldn't dominate the NEV auto industry.
@@jgnclvgmng5408 That's not true at all. Saying the likes of BYD, Xpeng, or Nio are low quality shows a clear lack of knowledge. Case in point, all 3 mentioned brands scored top marks with Euro NCAP, the highest car safety standard in the world. China also happens to be the world leader in countless other tech fields, from nuclear to photovoltaic to batteries. Get on with the times and don't be so anti-China because the mainstream media told you to be.China will dominate the aircraft industry in the 2030s.
@@jgnclvgmng5408 That's not true at all. Saying the likes of BYD, Xpeng, or Nio are low quality shows a clear lack of knowledge. Case in point, all 3 mentioned brands scored top marks with Euro NCAP, the highest car safety standard in the world. China also happens to be the world leader in countless other tech fields, from nuclear to photovoltaic to batteries. This is 2024, not 1994. China will dominate the aircraft industry in the 2030s/40s.
@@jgnclvgmng5408 Last I checked, it was Boeings that were falling out of the sky, not COMACs. Today, China is a high-tech superpower. So much so that the US has to slap countless illegal tariffs and trade barriers on China tech, including EVs, drones, industrial cranes, biotech, etc. To assume COMAC isn't good quality and that the firm won't reach new heights and dominate in a decade or so is laughable.
@@Ishmam...28 compare to A320, I thinks definitely the A320 has bigger potential on turning bigger, like we have seen in A321, and the maximum potential for a "Big" A220 is just a normal A320.
It could be an 'Asian' success, but as fas as I know, the planes are NOT certified to fly in Europe and Northern America, so....! Are there more customers in Asia, except China, who ordered the Chinese planes?
@@AbdullahNajib-b9z Not really true. The start-up airline does not have their AOC (permission to fly) yet, and they ORDERED the C919, and ARJ21's, butthe C919 won't be available for the next 2-3 years, so....not in service at all.
Actually, against all odds, they didn't make it out of tofu. You're probably thinking that way because the grey matter in your brain is very tofu like. lol jk.
This thing is never getting certified in the west. Even if it does, I would never, under any circumstances, fly on one. Despite their issues I still have vastly more confidence in Boeing (or other western manufacturers) than I do anything coming out of China. China needs to provide they can stop making the simple stuff from chinesium before they even begin to think about the big stuff.
i avoid flying boeing 737 max at all cost. would fly c919 because it is inherently better designed than 737 which is a frankenstein compromise build. thats why mcas is on board
@@jamin-r4k You must be unfamiliar with cha bu duo. Chinese manufacturing is famous for it. If I were you I wouldn't be so confident merely because the nameplate says something other than Boeing.
If China sells the plane just domestically, that is huge. Many poorer countries (depending on the price) most likely will go for these planes. So, the Boeing/Airbus duopoly is likely to lose 20% of the market (on new orders) to begin with by 2030 (6 years from now). IMHO, losing the market share alone is enough to cause significant problems for Boeing, if not both.
@@vicmath1005 How many people are seriously going to be willing to get on a plane made of Chineseium without threat of being "disappeared"? Is COMAC competition? Sure. Is it on the level you're talking about? Not anytime soon - Not unless China seriously steps up and demonstrates a real focus on quality and safety. As of the moment they belong in a category below Boeing, despite Boeing having had... Issues... Recently.
Comac international future in hands of FAA and Europe tho, and lets be honest west and China relations are at a all time low, so its will be a domestic champion, but international one maybe not @@magnustan841
That is not how engineering works. The Airbus A300 was not a commercial success but gave Airbus the opportunity to learn how to make a commercial airplane. The COMAC C919 is the same type of plane, more for engineering to learn and iterate.
real a320 competitor,cant beat the 737 though.but its looks....no one beats it.i hope one day this company will take on airbus and the duoply will be boeing and comac.
Good but not near boeing airbus duopoly tho, its production cap is pretty limited till first half of 2030s ,tag price of 108 million (already way higher than a320 neo) along with 15-20% less fuel Inefficiency than it aswell .its a very hard sell
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I think it's great that they are doing this. Always good to see new manufacturers try to enter the space like this.
I have better bets of embraer tho than comac ,Atleast internationally
@helloworld.w6075. Need a big enough local market to sustain the company's product development and growth, which Boeing Airbus have, and so does comac.
@@helloworld.w6075not even close. Embraer don't have medium jets to compete with the a320 family. Not possible in near by future, they will always remain regional jet maker.
One thing for sure China will push its state owned aircraft to adopt C919. For overseas market the aircraft still need certification from Europe & US to make it fit to fly. This certification would be a long process as long as the duopoly still dominate the market!
In addition to certification, there is the matter of "track record".
This can only be established after 5-10 years of trouble and accident free operation.
Note that USA or EU certification is only required to fly in or to the USA or EU. Many other countries will accept the Chinese certification so Comac can still get lots of sales outside the USA and EU.
The West isn't the world. After all, who stop the 737 Max in its tracks? It certainly wasn't the FAA who dithered but China refusing that aircraft's certification to fly. The world followed China's lead. The rest is history. And China doesn't need to wait for Europe and the US. China and its friends will allow the aircraft to fly just with Chinese certification. Not only in China (big country on its own) but elsewhere e.g. Russia? which is a massive country.
in the next 20 years comac will be busy supplying local and few asian companies. after that can aim more market.
Gotta start somewhere. Yes it will take time, but China and other countries who don't care about western certifications are big enough markets to sustain the aircraft.
I am seeing a lot of comments where they say of course the airlines that originate from the same aircraft manufacturer, are going to buy planes from that manufacture. But even then, this is still good for Comac and maybe they can get their C919 to go in International! Bravo air china and china southern!
United is a long time removed spin off of Boeing.
If you look at the C919 ACAP, you will find that the STD and ER have the same fuel capacity. Therefore, when both take off at MTOW and use their maximum fuel capacity, the range of the STD is actually more advantageous. (Based on the 2022 ACAP, though there may have been some changes since then.)
Furthermore, if you look at the TC from the CAAC, you will find that the only difference between the C919 STD and ER is the engine: the STD uses the LEAP-1C28, while the ER uses the LEAP-1C30. According to some rumors, the only difference between the 1C28 and 1C30 is the FADEC.
Boeing's decline presents opportunities for Comac to sell their aircraft. Additionally, the political conflicts between the U.S. and China lead many Chinese to believe that Comac has better designs and performance. The deals between China's major carriers and Comac are largely influenced by political factors. Very similar with domination stage of Boeing in US
Also, why C919 has less range and lower performance comparing with 737max and 320neo family but the main carriers in cn still have to choose it?(especially considering the extra bunch of c919's parts for future maintenance). You know it~
Boeings problems won’t impact the c919 sales. Most orders are from Chinese airlines who will order it no matter what
@@smithkenny8034 yeah but China should be invading Taiwan in the next five to eight years and that could result in sanctions if they can't win in a week.
And if the United States itself enters into the conflict there will be much more serious pursuit of sanctions evasion.
They'll be very serious about making sure that Boeing and GE engines etc are carefully tracking where every part goes.
They will want GE to require the old engine be turned over with the serials that are from a plane that we know is owned by an allowed entity to get a replacement one to make sure they know where every part is headed and that it's not going to final destination to China.
So this is likely a smart move for China.
But the fact that every airline is buying 100 suggests yeah there were marching orders
@@mohwybar5832not quite, for example, in the past they may buy 1000 C919, 1000 boeing, 1000 airbus, something like that, but now it may become 1500 C919, 1500 airbus, or 2000 C919(the number is just for example)
@@billshi6005 they likely want to increase reliance on comac and phase out both Boeing and Airbus, which won’t be affected by Boeings problems.
Probably not immediately, but I think over time COMAC will catch up to where it is a competitor in some categories to Boeing and Airbus - more so in developing markets where the lower price tag and generous financing options from China can help sway deals.
Without FAA and European certification, nope.
The generous financing from China are usually terrible deals to whoever falls into those traps.
@@jgnclvgmng5408 exactly, also known as the Chinese debt traps
@@jgnclvgmng5408indeed, they must liberalise COMAC (not sure of their level of involvement with the government, this might be tough). If western regularly bodies approve, soon partnerships will start to be form for maintenance and all kinds of services with European and American companies eager to enter such a huge market. It would help if they made a widebody, a narrowbody is easier to disregard cause it's gonna make profit anyway just with the domestic market.
Of course the domestic market of China could be enough to turn over C919, but you have to make sure the plane makers don’t rest on laurels under tariff protection and become a Proton automobile (Ask Malaysian Friends what is was) of aerospace.
It'll be interesting to see if we start seeing C919's fitted with the ACAE CJ-1000A engine starting in 2025. That could be important so they aren't so reliant on CFM International for engines on the plane.
What’s the Aspect ratio, wing loading?
I hope they’re actually planning a more aggressive ramp up in production.
Why?
@@juhao356 If an aircraft manufacturer produces an aircraft and is using customers as beta testers to avoid a crash, it’s in the wrong business. With all due respect, your comment just doesn’t make sense.
@@hughofIrelandoh they are alright, but they also need to make sure to not make it crash so it’s not easy but they are increasing the production rate, but hey in weibo they already spot 2-3 c919s testing and ready for delivery
Is comac working on any other variations.
Nice to see they have business (ubermench) class in China as well👍
Aside the initial capital and technology, building and testing the airframe is actually the easy part. The hard thing is what follows. How to keep it operating with technical support, maintenance, spare parts, training, upgrading etc. All of these will determine whether the aircraft will remain competitive against the duopoly.
And then, production. After 7 years in testing they now produced like 10 aircraft, with promise to produce 15 per year. Meanwhile, Airbus is producing that every 10 days.
50 years ago Boeing and MD said the same to Airbus, who was the new kid on the block.
@@WChocoleta Chinese are notoriously bad at support.
Rest assured the smaller the numbers better for customer as it will be of the highest quality and workmanship.
50 years ago, China was a third world shithole country, look at them now.
They're a new player, you expect them to produce the same with boeing and airbus who is market leader for what 50 years? Lmao They must be doin a good job then, you sound worried. The classic putting down the competition to raise yourself up. If you ain't worried, you don't even bother to look at them. Watch out, maybe after 15 years US state Treasury will complain of comac overproduction. The world can't handle the over production cry etc 😂 or it's a threat to national security. Just like how they cry with chinese EV's today. 10 years ago no one take chinese EV seriously.
If china can build a space station they can surely build a plane.
i can see CUBANA GETTING A FEW
Wait till you find out where engines come from
@@Sciolist That's why it's just a matter of time when USofA bans the sale of the the GE engine to China.
it's practically a copy of A32x with almost every component imported
I think the duopoly won't have trouble sleeping, but they shouldn't sleep too much.
Boeing has already been asleep at the wheel this past few years.... Looks like Comac might pick up Boeing's pieces...
Outside china- BIG NOPE. Also boeing has trying its best to improve itself post covid and 737 kax debacle, although it will take some years @@lmc333
@@lmc333 boeing has no problems.
@@AbdullahNajib-b9z right .. everything is dandy at Boeing, that's why there are 35,000 Boeing employees walking out and striking, and that's just one happy story at Boeing, there are also two astronauts stuck in space because of Boeing... All good. Who are you again ? I don't think you are all caught up with the news buddy.
Edit: nevermind, you are just an 11 year old kid. Please research and learn before spreading false information, this is very dangerous to do, and people will not take you seriously. You need to be very careful saying fake information. The world is very dangerous as it with dumb people out there, you don't want to be another dump person.
@@AbdullahNajib-b9zwhat?!
the chinese A320 is cool ^^
Or 757
Fantastic! The world is becoming more capable and less dependent on US and Europe.
Rather be dependent on a democracy than the CCP
I Hope I Can See C919 In Manila Soon
I like this plane
boarding a plane is like boarding a bus
What’s a bus?
@@hughofIreland...
That's why you have people that go into freak out when riding a plane: they've NEVER had to ride a bus.
I've been riding transit buses for DECADES so, for me, riding a plane is nothing and is better than the dirty loud SHAKY transit buses that I ride regularly.
The people that freak out on planes are people that just don't ride buses and subway trains and regular trains and only know driving or sitting as a passenger in a car and thus a plane is alien to them.
Boarding Boeing is like signing your death certificate.
except totally different
Good. Competition is good
With such low numbers of C919.produce a year, most definitely of the highest quality and workmanship. Definitely be better than A320 and Boeing Max
Any C919 delivery is a direct hit at Boeing and Airbus.
The only solution for Boeing to sell more in China is to shift production of the Boeing 737 MAX from Renton, Washington to Springfield, Ohio!
Nobody outside Europe, North America,Japan, South Korea and Australia is going to buy this airliner.
It certainly is a beauty. Let's see how safe and profitable it is.
i thought the first flight of the c919 was last year? im confused
That was China Eastern Airline, alreay had a few C919 in operation.
Watch them make a long range aircraft
Comacs planes haven't been sold that much yet so I doubt they will make another plane more over a wide body 😂 most pilots doesn't even know how to fly the plane yet
boeing quality is not even china quality tho cus at least the Chinese one doesn't make crash automatically
Hopefully they can make long haul aircraft too!
They are, the C929 will come in the 2030s
China domestic air industry will expand greatly in future.China will need thousands of new planes.This is why Comac will be successful.Many developing countries will buy Chinese made planes.
No chance in hell a western carrier buys this Temu A320
I might sound pessimistic but in current geopolitical situation and the past history of MSS spies stealing IP of US/European aerospace companies for comac and others, Its near certain that FAA won't give comac aircrafts certification or delay it till eternity (similar situation most probably will happen with European certification aswell).
Without these two certification Comac may become the UAC of china (thanks to state backing aswell), but probably will never able to expand outwards .
Duopoly of airbus and Boeing will continue although i have big hopes for embraer
might fly that someday actrually - good job china
What $108M per plane. Isn't that more than a320 neo price if got as a bulk
No, A320neo list price was 110 6 years ago, so probably north of 115 now
Wonder how standards are in China… Have they improved enough to be able to maintain 100s of orders and the part replacements for those aircraft afterwards? Let’s see.
Let's see
China has made significant technological advancements in recent years, particularly in the automotive industry. Chinese cars are improving rapidly and are currently surpassing their German counterparts in Europe. The next frontier is aviation. China should consider selling aircraft to major Middle Eastern airlines like Emirates, Etihad, and Qatar Airways, which need more affordable jets for their daily operations. Developing models similar to the A320 to A350, which are among the best-selling in the aviation industry, would be a strategic move. 😊
Additionally, with the increasing number of millionaires globally, China should conduct market research on small business jets priced up to $10 million. Many new millionaires will seek more affordable alternatives to Gulfstream or Embraer business jets. China has the potential to develop and offer these planes at half the cost, catering to the needs of "self-made" millionaires. The aircraft could be constructed from carbon fiber or other advanced materials and operate autonomously using AI, eliminating the need for a pilot.
You really think Emirates, Etihad, and Qatar Airways, would even consider buying the C919????
It depends on whether the big three Middle Eastern airlines-Emirates, Qatar Airways, and Etihad-decide to compete in the low-cost segment with carriers like Aer Lingus, Ryanair, and Wizz Air. If they choose to do so, they would likely introduce a new airline brand that isn’t directly associated with their premium names. These low-cost airlines would focus on offering lower prices and reducing costs per seat. They would operate with only economy class, without business or first class, but it would still be effective. As you know, if you have enough money, you’d fly in your own A380 business variant, while everyone else would be on the budget version. That’s the reality.
For 109 million US$ this Chinese plane is not cheap enough to make worth the gamble for a western aviation company.
Perhaps (in one or two decades, no major incidents) when China produces engines and a lot more components itself (cheaper and as good).
When airbus was rising, the USA penalised airbus accusing govt subsidisation, Europe went to the WTO &c. This went on for a decade before they called a truce. Expect chinese international sellingof aircraft to experience the same tactics and for perhaps a longer period of time. If COMAC succeeds only domestically it will be a successful airline.
I think that it's wonderful news for AvGeeks everywhere. I also think that it's wonderful news for airlines who are hesitant to turn to Boeing considering all of the troubles they've been experiencing in recent years. Maybe this will be the turning point for Boeing to get its crap together and start putting out quality products like they once did? Well done, COMAC!
No it’s not wonderful because there goes my nations GDP and biggest exporter. I don’t mean to be an ass but that is 150,000 jobs and up to 80 billion dollars on the line plus the economy. It is a threat to my country hello the EU also. I say we contain it and keep it domestic but the new CEO should compromise with his unions or just give them what they want so they are happy and they can produce aircraft happily so everyone is happy and I’m not busy pointing out that it is Spirit Aerosystems fault not Boeings.
China Eastern Airlines Flight 5735...
Wtf not even the same airline… 😂
Any Chinese plane is still better than Boeing 737Max !
chinese planes are better than airbus.not boeing though.but i do see that china is making real technological leaps,and soon they may beat boeing.
@@AbdullahNajib-b9z One must be very brave to take the 737 Max after two crashes.
@@joekerr8037 cars crash more than the 737 max.
and i travel on cars worryless.so i also travel on the max worryless(i have never travelled on the max but if i can i would)
Since it was made in China. China used the plane made in China.
Thank you Captain Obvious
You should have posted this in Chinese
@@kkrsnn5632 lol
airlines in europe dont just use airbus.airlines in america dont just use boeing.and the c919 has been ordered by gallop air in brunei(near indonesia)
I seriously doubt they paid in Dollars.
an airbus A320 with a bit of a lifting hehe ;-)
Congratulations 🎊 👏
Who makes the engines (and other components), and how likely will they be sanctioned if the plane get too competitive? All this back and fore sanctioning and tariffs are not good for the world, sigh.
China will slowly switch to domestically produced parts. And China can produce its own fighter jet engines, so they can likely produce high bypass turbofans aswell. They might not be as efficient at first, but they will improve
@@wojomojo I kinda expect the sanction so china forced to use domestic engine, they can make engine for their Y-20, surely not very hard to make engine for c919.
I thought they told they were planning to make 150 aircrafts annually from 2027, but only 20 per year only after 2031 ,tag price of 108 million (already way higher than a320 neo) along with 15-20% less fuel Inefficiency than it aswell .its a very hard sell
I dont know your sources but they have about 1300 orders as of now, so If they suceed to make about 100 in 2025 and 2026 and 150 for 2027, 2028, 2029 2030 and 2031 and only 20 afterwards that means they plan to complete the 200 remaining orders in a 10 years time. And that does not take intoaccount that the amount of orders is probably going to double.
Air China 🇨🇳🗿🛩️🔝🫡
Yes please scare Boeing shitless cuz they aren’t doing any better.
with Russia restricting titanium exports...(retaliation for western sanctions)
we will see C919 sales surging.
Yeah no that’s bullshit Boeing and Airbus will dominate for decades to come because at least they can put together planes that fly without falling apart for a few months also many trust Airbus over Boeing and Boeing over anything Chinese because they can’t make anything worth a damn.
Well done to all involved.
Good for China and the world. With Boeing screwing up left and right and the potential for a monopoly by Airbus it's good to have options. And for the naysayers that's all good and well. But remember even in their early days, both Boeing and Airbus had planes that went down. Yes most were due to pilot error but it still happened. Ex: Air France 296Q and for Boeing the whole Max debacle.
I consider the Max-debacle is the fault of Boeing, not pilot error.
@@aaltvandenham The point being, early models of both companies crashed.
@@aaltvandenham a320 crashes happened becaus eof airbus fault as well!victims of airbus,we will never forget you.
@@AbdullahNajib-b9z I am very sorry for your personal loss(es). I apologize to you, please.
I think my thinking is too general in these matters
@@aaltvandenham i wasnt related to any of the victims.im just saying that we should pay the same amount of respect for airbus victims as we do for boeing victims.
Those are very low production numbers.
They just started. Not everything has to burst out on the scene like Huawei or Black Myth Wukong. But the fact that they are pretty much the only other manufacturer who is willing to challenge the duopoly already signals a shift in the future of high tech aviation. This is not Brazil with their Embrarer or Canada with Bombardier. This is China. Their industrial might and technological know-how and potential are on a totally different power scale.
planes started when the wright bros built one .now look at us today.we have the sleek 777 gracing our skies!aviation now is so popular.one day maybe comac will become popular....trioply.
@@gelinrefira You say they just started, but their *2031 target* is just 60 aircraft/year. Their mid term targets are very low.
@@user-yt198 Maybe they are just being cautious. We all know how difficult aircraft manufacturing is, so I understand why they put their numbers at so low.
I don't doubt that once they have their management, supply chain and production line up and running properly with enough orders to justify the expansion, their yearly production number will gradually increase.
It's the same thing as Chengdu making the J-20. They started off quite low in numbers. Now they are making 100 over per year and will push to even higher numbers in the future. Arguably, a stealth is even harder to build than a commercial airliner in some areas. So I say there is little doubt they will reach the production number needed to fill their orders. The question is what C929 and future variants will bring. I have no doubt that the C929 will be close to 787 and A350 in terms of performance now that they are even making their own jet engines. Maybe not parity but close enough and the price attractive enough to make it a threat.
The thing I can see holding Comac back will be how well they are distributed across the world to do service, training and spare parts. Those are not things you can just bum rush.
@@gelinrefira I have a different opinion.
737, A320 and as a result C919 designs are based on a common wing structure which didn't change much for the last 80 years (from the bombers of WWII): A strong wing which can generate enough lift to carry the heavy structure and also carry engines and fuel. Such a wing is inherently inefficient and arrived to the inevitable dead end. The future of civil aviation is in long, thin wings with very high aspect ratio. Developments in material engineering now allow such wings. Airbus and Boeing are well aware of this and they are already working on "Wing of the future" and X-66A projects respectively.
It looks to me that Chinese are also aware of this and in the background they are working on their own project.
So I believe they see C919 as merely a kind of training project for their civil aviation industry and they are investing more on future developments, which is a good sign for global civil aviation.
It'll be a *long* time before Comac even registers as a potential threat to Airbus and Boeing who are so far ahead of the rest of the competition. I feel like they need to offer something different to have a chance of stealing the big two's lunch, like maybe successfully creating the first true zero emission aircraft (which is also decades away).
China has been underestimated in the past at the detriment of their competitors. Check with Toyota and VW 😂😂😂
That's 50 cents well earned 😉.
A part of me wonders how Chinese automakers would have fared without the generous subsidies from their government (which are still ongoing).
But credit where it's due, it's undeniable that they've made great strides in their design and manufacturing of EVs, even accounting for those subsidies. A massive edge that BYD and other Chinese automakers have is their ability to make everything in house including batteries (I hear BYD were originally a battery maker), so they have less of a need to rely on vital components sourced elsewhere.
Comac will need to do something similar to have a truly competitive aviation industry of their own, but you'll find manufacturing planes is a whole different ball game compared to making phones or EVs due to the sheer number of parts and components needed and how complex the entire thing is. And guess where *most* of the components needed to assemble a plane are sourced? Hint: it's not China.
And then there's the safety record they need to demonstrate. Comac are still unproven on that front and all it takes is for one plane to drop from the sky to set them back for years.
And for the record, I'm not 'underestimating' China. If there's anyone that can potentially challenge Airbus and Boeing, it could be Comac. The best way is to offer something different, just like how they got in early on EVs, which is why I suggested the zero emission route. Just don't expect it to happen soon... unless of course it's true that they have an army of state sponsored hackers that can help Comac steal the blueprints for vital components, so that they can close the gap on Airbus and Boeing quickly.
Airbus got into the game by offering the world's first twin-engine widebody. The A300 opened a brand-new space in the market that the Americans had been looking into but hadn't really paid much attention to. COMAC is not doing that.
What are the seat dimensions and pitch? I only thing I care about as a passenger.
Conner Mews
The C919's glaring weakness is its range. Accordingly, Air China opted for the ER.
Only about as efficient as a 738 in the fuel efficiency department as well, apparently
It's China's first plane. I'm sure they'll improve as time passes.
Now its only for the domestic use, so range shouldn't be a problem. They sure will have extended range version in the future.
@@dann5480 That's what they are afraid of. Every time it goes like this: China will never be able to do this high tech industry, they entered the industry; then it's China's new products suuuuuuuuccccccckkkkkksss LOLOLOL, so they persevere; then their next gen or 3rd, 4th gen product becomes highly competitive and near parity within an astonishingly short period of time, and their western detractors start accusing them all kinds of nefarious wrongdoing; then the Chinese companies start becoming mature and their products becomes not just competitive, but even better AND cheaper, so their detractors want to ban them or put tariffs on them.
The C929 is going to start making them panic. The possible C939 will probably make them wet their pants.
Felt that A320Neo is still a more superior aircraft.
When to fly to Hong Kong
China had to develop and alternative to Boeing and Airbus. With aircraft engines and specialized parts coming from other countries , any introduction of American induced sanctions in this global trade war, will cripple their capacity to keep their existing Boeing and Airbus fleets in the air. so this was always a must do alternative and well done for doing it so impressively!
The C919 uses only the CFM LEAP. Last I checked, CFM was a US-French joint venture. So no, they didn't really do anything to free themselves from the threat of sanctions. They just made the dependence more subtle for the sake of looking like they're becoming independent.
@@GintaPPE1000 yes true but my understanding is they are hard at work on a Chinese variant both for c919 and the new wide body c929 and it is currrntly being tested
@@rayhughes They are working on their own turbofan engine for future airliner projects.
Is COMAC gonna be *The New BOEING?* If so, then that’d be cool 🆒.
Boeing and Airbus are seeing their narrow body market in China disappear before their very eyes. COMAC must be looking forward to EU flight certification and its flight development of its C929 widebody passenger jet. Along with the jets, the engines that go with each series are being developed and produced in parallel, so China is becoming competitive world wide and by the end of this decade, will fly a complete family of aircraft from the ARJ-21 to the C939. We may also see some additional surprises along the way for things like cargo versions, and even military versions.
won't be worse than Boeing 737
China can force its local carriers to operate the C919, but the aircraft is not an international threat to Boeing and Airbus.
Having said that, the aircraft will likely see sales to authoritarian states in Asia and perhaps Africa as well.
It's more of a backup plan if things get worse and the US and EU start to ban Boeing & Airbus from selling jetliners to China, similar to the significance of SSJ100, Tu 204, and Il-96 for Russia.
Doesn't make sense economically, but makes plenty of sense from a national security perspective for China.
@@Zee-q7l Indeed, but unlike the Russian airliners that can use Russian engines, albeit outdated, Chinese airliners need a lot of Western technology, including engines and avionics, so building jets they can't get engines for will be the same as being unable to buy Western aircraft.
This is more for national pride than anything.
@@sainnt If you look at the engine development history of their latest stealth fighter jet J-20, you'll understand why.
From having to use the Russian engine Saturn AL-31 initially, to equipping J-20 with a domestically made but inferior engine WS-10, then to an improved version of WS-10, and finally to a new engine called WS-15 that is designed for J-20, it took them like 15 years to catch up.
I'm assuming that they have the same mentality with the C919 project. They know that they don't have the capacity to produce jetliners that are 100% Chinese at the moment, but they are ready to do that step by step no matter how long it takes, and being able to build one is the first step.
@@Zee-q7lI have no doubt that they will eventually reverse -engineer an engine with a lot of, er...'borrowed' technology, but by the time that happens, they will be behind just like Russia is, but at least they'll be able to build their own aircraft.
it just early phase of the development, 10 years from now after everything goes smoothly, buyers will have different consideration. I remember the early chinese phones compared to nokia. now, majority phones and phone patents (5g, 6g) are from china.
What a breakthrough, they make sure you got company when you died
What could possibly go wrong!
At least China's aviation industry is better managed than post-Soviet Russia's.
It’s better than Boeing is at the moment……
@@DCTag boeing is fine.just listen to airlive or something and youll see airbus are suffering so many emegencies as well.
just because daily mail or the telegraph or cnn or whatever just says boeing,it doesnt mean its always boeing.
C919...sounds like a modern version of the Concorde..built by the government..for the government owned airlines
We in Malaysia love n support China always gogo..go da great wall of China
I would fly on one of these before I flew on a new Boeing
Breaking news: Emirates order 100 C919!
In yo dreams 😂🤣
Emirates doesn't even have any narrowbody aircraft
The tail, fuselage, wings, radar cover are Chinese products. Systems like engines USA/French, flight recorder USA, fire detection system USA, APU USA, doors and signal systems USA, fuel system USA, landing gear system USA, tires USA, weather radar USA, electrical power system USA, Thrust system France, flight control system USA.
Okay? Girl who cares
@@esc_stansAnyone can.
Give 10 year and all those U.S systems will be replaced by Chinese made systems. Those are just temporary place holders.
That's a clearer perspective. If the US for any reason decides not to supply those systems then Comac's delivery schedule goes out the window.
@@esc_stans People with brain care.
Everythingnormal1 is cool
I agree
These bullshit names with useless digits are so fucking annoying.
180M dollars per plane?
Better buy an Embraer E190. Airlines can buy 3 to 4 E series jets for 1 Comac.
Embraer definitely has better quality. Whereas, China is not known for quality.
Maybe Chinese Airlines will use them to fly from Eastern Chinese Cities with a stopover in Urumqui to Smaller Cities in Europe
The range is too short, plus you won't get many people from western countries to fly on a Chinese state endorsed plane without many years of crash free flights.
@@Dave_Sisson why should the range be too short if you fly from let's say Beijing to Vienna with a stopover in Urumqui?
@@adamunterwalcher5094 Even the "long range" version has a much shorter range than A320s and B737s. Anyway, there have been no attempts to get the plane certified with the European aviation body, or as far as I know, anywhere outside China.
@@Dave_Sisson The a320 had its first crash just one year after its maiden flight.but they still trust the a320.
@@AbdullahNajib-b9za320 wasn't made with stolen technology
Nice A320 copy.
The clowns claiming China won't eventually dominate this industry are the same clowns who used to say, just a few years ago, that China wouldn't dominate the NEV auto industry.
There's a slight difference in technology between both. And chinese NEV autos quality sucks. But you can fly on their planes, I won't.
@@jgnclvgmng5408 That's not true at all. Saying the likes of BYD, Xpeng, or Nio are low quality shows a clear lack of knowledge. Case in point, all 3 mentioned brands scored top marks with Euro NCAP, the highest car safety standard in the world. China also happens to be the world leader in countless other tech fields, from nuclear to photovoltaic to batteries. Get on with the times and don't be so anti-China because the mainstream media told you to be.China will dominate the aircraft industry in the 2030s.
@@jgnclvgmng5408 That's not true at all. Saying the likes of BYD, Xpeng, or Nio are low quality shows a clear lack of knowledge. Case in point, all 3 mentioned brands scored top marks with Euro NCAP, the highest car safety standard in the world. China also happens to be the world leader in countless other tech fields, from nuclear to photovoltaic to batteries. This is 2024, not 1994. China will dominate the aircraft industry in the 2030s/40s.
@@jgnclvgmng5408 Last I checked, it was Boeings that were falling out of the sky, not COMACs. Today, China is a high-tech superpower. So much so that the US has to slap countless illegal tariffs and trade barriers on China tech, including EVs, drones, industrial cranes, biotech, etc. To assume COMAC isn't good quality and that the firm won't reach new heights and dominate in a decade or so is laughable.
@@Mel_Gerrard +1000 social credit score points for you, Xi is happy
I love this A320 spinoff 😅 but I kinda wished they did their design based on A220
however, A220 is designed to be a much smaller plane, and China needs big plane.
@@billshi6005 True but it was designed in a way so that longer and more ranged version can be later developed
@@Ishmam...28 compare to A320, I thinks definitely the A320 has bigger potential on turning bigger, like we have seen in A321, and the maximum potential for a "Big" A220 is just a normal A320.
Three classes. How communist.
It could be an 'Asian' success, but as fas as I know, the planes are NOT certified to fly in Europe and Northern America, so....! Are there more customers in Asia, except China, who ordered the Chinese planes?
in the future maybe, but not now, because they have lots of orders from domestic airlines, and production number is still low currently.
Smaller SE Asian carriers like Indonesia's TransNUSA is flying the C919.
@@gelinrefira No they don't. They fly the COMAC ARJ21, not the C919.
gallop air in brunei
@@AbdullahNajib-b9z Not really true. The start-up airline does not have their AOC (permission to fly) yet, and they ORDERED the C919, and ARJ21's, butthe C919 won't be available for the next 2-3 years, so....not in service at all.
It's all fun... right up until we have a few crashes... tofu aircraft.....
Actually, against all odds, they didn't make it out of tofu. You're probably thinking that way because the grey matter in your brain is very tofu like. lol jk.
Still better than the cardboard used in the americas
It's not a Boeing
737 had two crashes and a door blowed away mid air, so what plane is it?
can't be worse than boeing
If Boeing planes randomly lose door plugs and landing gear, imagine what is going to start falling off of these Comac planes 😂😂😂
considering the Chinese got their experience from McDonald Douglas it will be the engines
...he types on his Chinese manufactured device 😂
@@outermarker5801 he could be using a South Korean manufactured device like me.
Nothing has been falling off of these
@@eamonahern7495 Could be. But S Korean branded devices are manufactured all over, including China.
This thing is never getting certified in the west. Even if it does, I would never, under any circumstances, fly on one. Despite their issues I still have vastly more confidence in Boeing (or other western manufacturers) than I do anything coming out of China. China needs to provide they can stop making the simple stuff from chinesium before they even begin to think about the big stuff.
Seems your impression of China is still stuck in the early 2000s. Guess a working space station is "too simple" and not "big" enough for you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
i avoid flying boeing 737 max at all cost. would fly c919 because it is inherently better designed than 737 which is a frankenstein compromise build. thats why mcas is on board
@@jamin-r4k You must be unfamiliar with cha bu duo. Chinese manufacturing is famous for it. If I were you I wouldn't be so confident merely because the nameplate says something other than Boeing.
If China sells the plane just domestically, that is huge.
Many poorer countries (depending on the price) most likely will go for these planes.
So, the Boeing/Airbus duopoly is likely to lose 20% of the market (on new orders) to begin with by 2030 (6 years from now).
IMHO, losing the market share alone is enough to cause significant problems for Boeing, if not both.
@@vicmath1005 How many people are seriously going to be willing to get on a plane made of Chineseium without threat of being "disappeared"? Is COMAC competition? Sure. Is it on the level you're talking about? Not anytime soon - Not unless China seriously steps up and demonstrates a real focus on quality and safety. As of the moment they belong in a category below Boeing, despite Boeing having had... Issues... Recently.
Copy paste work as always never expected anything more from a company of china 😅
Who makes the engines? Good on China; the World needs competition. Elon should start making aircraft too... (though keep his mouth/pants zipped ;)
COMAC should have created something innovative instead of conventional. A missed opportunity.
It’s their first crack at challenging Boeing and Airbus, best to play it safe than go wild and be sorry.
Comac international future in hands of FAA and Europe tho, and lets be honest west and China relations are at a all time low, so its will be a domestic champion, but international one maybe not @@magnustan841
china always start slowly, but after they master everything, the quality and innovation increased very fast.
That is not how engineering works. The Airbus A300 was not a commercial success but gave Airbus the opportunity to learn how to make a commercial airplane. The COMAC C919 is the same type of plane, more for engineering to learn and iterate.
Chinese companies are incapable of making anything original
It may be copied but obviously this is a first step
real a320 competitor,cant beat the 737 though.but its looks....no one beats it.i hope one day this company will take on airbus and the duoply will be boeing and comac.
Good but not near boeing airbus duopoly tho, its production cap is pretty limited till first half of 2030s ,tag price of 108 million (already way higher than a320 neo) along with 15-20% less fuel Inefficiency than it aswell .its a very hard sell
New Air Crash Investigation guaranteed now ^^
Aren't you a funny guy. Would it hurt to wish them success instead?
Huh..
A Boeing fans being butt hurt by comac succes delivering its aircraft😂
China has a very low air crash rate given the number of people and the size of its population.
@@kevinj2412 A racist dark humour joke. If this was china a few decades ago I would have agreed with this guy.
@@kevinj2412 It will hurt his western exceptionalism ego.
Copy of the wright brothers 😂😂
The first Boeing Engineer was Chinese.
The shape of this aircraft is really beautiful. Airbus narrowbodies are really ugly tho
1:18, 2031 is a long year, it will finish in 2025 to 2026.
中國商飛最難突破的技術在於應對美國人的小手段