ARJ21 and Chinese expansion plan
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- The COMAC ARJ21 (Xiangfeng - “Soaring Phoenix”) is a regional jet passenger aircraft created by the Chinese corporation COMAC in the mid-2010s. In this video, we take a look at this aircraft, learn about its features, walk its journey and discover what role it should play in China's plan to win its place in the global civil aviation market.
The history of birth of this aircraft turned out to be long and complex. The project was initiated back in 2002, but its implementation was significantly delayed. The ARJ21 made its maiden flight in 2008 and began entering airline fleets only in 2016. However, despite the initial difficulties and delays of the project, the aircraft began to be actively produced and supplied to airlines, both Chinese and foreign. The ARJ21's potential lies not in technology and modernity, but in simplicity and low cost, which could make it popular in developing countries.
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00:00 - ARJ21
00:31 - Plans and first steps
04:46 - Tests
06:54 - Description of ARJ21
07:19 - Isn’t this Douglas?
08:49 - Design
10:30 - Engines
11:26 - Cockpit
11:54 - Passenger cabin
13:15 - Modifications
14:43 - Deliveries and expansion
16:07 - Conquering the market - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
China's aviation history continues. As a continuation of the story, you can watch a large video about the COMAC C919: th-cam.com/video/1tOK8cb5RGQ/w-d-xo.html
Will you make a video about the CR929 (now C929)?
Great video - thank you!
Make the Fokkers
@@frankgaleon5124 already in process
It is a good start. Continued optimization and volume production of ARJ21 and C919 will be the step stone for the success of China civil aviation industry.
No C919s since the 6 proptotypes, and only 3 of those are currently airworthy.
@@wintersbattleofbands114412 built as of May 2024 with 6 flying regular airline routes. Better update your info bro.
Even if comac succeeds in the Brisc countries that will be enough to make them a big player
Reginal jet like ARJ21 is not a good investment in China due to the extensive high speed rail network. ARJ21 will be just a very small market in China and it needs international market to flourish.
If a country can launch people into space, then they ought to be able to build an airliner.
of course, they just started late
@@xinyiquan666 They started in roughly 1978, but CCP interest rose and fell so programs were really stretched out. Same with the space program, other than military.
I don’t think that ARJ-21 looks outdated. The same we can say about the 737MEX. The difference is that the last MD regional family member the Boeing 717 was manufactured in 2006, so we don’t see a lot of the aircrafts with the same structural design.
It’s almost a copy of the Fokker 70 with a slightly bigger body.
@@MrJimheerenyeah, god also copy you
The issue for them will be sanctions and regulations.
The FAA will likely not approve a plane from China because of competion and rivalry.
Then how about the airlines that already operates it?
@@Randomly_Browsing as long as they don't fly into the US with these planes (and only flying within countries that certifies the plane) its not a problem
@@DrummingStig ok then
If an indigenous mfg like Boeing has been deemed by the FAA to be “opaque”, then i don’t see how China will be deemed anything but “less than opaque.”
Maybe, they'll receive the EASA certificate. It will be enough for the most countries worldwide
Clearly it's an updated DC9, and I'm glad to see that my favorite airliner will be around for a long time to come.
Well it has lineage from DC9, as it reuses tooling from the MD80 coproduction project and probably started from the MD95 which was the last version produced from that project.
blind as a bat, dc9 was no good. It took china a long time to get it rich. many region jets are designed with these features.
@@xuansu9036 From Aviation Week article on the ARJ21 ""The ARJ21 is built with manufacturing tooling from the MD-90 Trunkliner program. As a consequence, it has the same fuselage cross-section, nose profile, and tail."
clearly not. Every single dimensions and components are different.
yeah I think its heavily inspired by the DC9 ngl, just my opinion.
Sure, it might be lacking behind in technological advancements (when compared to other regionals jets) but the thing is as long as they're selling like hot cakes in China, they'll be doing just fine.
How about outside market?
Former Soviet Republic, Africa and some Asian countries are a very big market.
@@SuperChodot ok
@@Randomly_Browsing They don't need to worry about outside market for at least the next 50 years to a century. If they can completely self sustain within their borders, it is a big plus for them. Then they can expand.
half price of the most expensive in the same class. not make sense if it's as advanced as the most expensive, even though it's not impossible, probably in next 5 decades after some iterations and gaining more knowledge.
Rear-mounted engines and T-tails are so retro, and yet still relevant in many countries with hot and high airports.
I’m glad the legacy of the DC-9, BAC-111, Tu-134 and the Fokker 70 continues on.
For some reason, I remember the Fokker 100
yes, I remembered it too
F70 and F100 are great. I like flying in them.
I don't fly much, but I flew on Fokker 100 once. It was the best landing I've experienced. And it was all-female crew too. 😊
Thanks for making the video without much political elements.
Thanks sky as always ❤
It's very pretty for a commercial plane! hope I get to fly on one!
Brilliant sharing, thanks
image, China replace half its domestical airliners with ARJ21 and C919.
c919只有6架在飞
It needs plenty of time,but of course we'll do it,the rest of the market are likely to be given to Airbus
@@user-ii3zn8gw1tThe seventh C919 was delivered to China eastern on July 28 if not 29. And china southern is about to receive it's first C919 which is in final testing. Also china Eastern expecting to receive more 3 C919 in 2024, which will make it's fleet of C919 to count 10
A thousand mile journey starts with the first step.
Great video thank you. Love these these lesser known birds. Do you by any chance have any information on Harbin Y-12F ?
It is pretty interesting overall. And all around one has to admit one thing about Chinese developments in recent years. They've become much higher quality than before, which can be mostly seen in countries that are either allied to China, or to a greater or lesser extent neutral. China is quickly dominating sectors, especially vehicle manufacturing with a combination of quality and price. But not always. Some chinese vehicle manufacturers reign supreme on quality and price, like BYD and X-peng for cars, Yutong for buses, all of which are now firmly planted across the globe. But other sectors like the rail industry is where they still struggle. The national chinese rolling stock manufacturer, CRRC, has vastly different quality standards across its several factories so its often a gamble as to if a CRRC built train will be good or bad. And the ones trialled so far in Europe have all been from a plant with a less than satisfactory quality record.
You're posting your rumors again
grapes is your favorite fruits
Their first step was to release their own version of similar models by others.
Comac C919 is their future. Cleansheet design.
It's not easy to expand overseas, supply chain, maintenance, airworthiness support, language and cultural barriers are also factors that make it hard for it to attract overseas buyers.
Same issue faced by the Sukhoi Superjet's western customers like CityJet and Interjet
not " language and cultural barriers " - have nothing to do with it - it is the plane itself - good or not good - why people drive Toyota not Lada etc ...
@@johnh4434 toyota is japanese...
Wings are supposedly Russian, but the fuselage is DC-9 carryover. If reusing still qualifies as a "clean sheet", then the Boeing 717 was a clean sheet too!
I recall McDonnell Douglas sold MD-80/90 tooling to China. Several MD-80's and a couple MD-90's were supposedly built in China. When I just Google'd the tooling sale, the U.S. indicted MD as China had diverted tooling to military manufacturing sites.
@@johnh4434 now its BYD
Thanks Sky! That would be great if you could cover the Avic/Harbin Y12F
DC-9
MD-80's
B-717
With few differences!
The Mad Dog nickname came not only from its MD initials but also because it takes off like a rocket and makes a hell of a lot of noise. Unlike later automated planes, the Mad Dog also needs full hands-on attention from the pilot during takeoff and landing.
Having made its first flight in 1979, the McDonnell Douglas MD-80 went into service with launch customer Swissair in 1980. The aircraft, which was developed from the Douglas DC-9, became affectionately known as the Mad Dog. But how did it come to get its nickname?
After the delivery of 976 DC-9s and 108 MD-80s, McDonnell Douglas stopped DC-9 series production in December 1982, The DC-9 family is one of the longest-lasting aircraft in production and operation. Its last family member, the Boeing 717, was produced until 2006.
What is the oldest DC-9 still flying?
The final active DC-9 is with African Express Airways, based in Nairobi. This is the only DC-9 to still be registered to a scheduled passenger airline.
hank god it's not Boeing with it's famous windows
Looks like a bit of CRJ and DC 9 got together and had a party
Looking like the ARJ-21 will be China's DC-3. Not exotic and state of the art, but for domestic flights in developing countries, a good design, good reliability, and a good price.
I flew on ARJ as well as E190, from passenger’s perspective, I much prefer ARJ. It is noticeable bigger inside, quieter in business class, had a much bigger onboard kitchen(so variety of available food are more. Lastly, E series is so small it didn’t have a closet for coats and such for business class passengers. For me, ARJ is comparable to A320 in business class experience whereas I immediately noticed how small E190 was.
and the price is literally half the A320.
@@YSKWatchnot 320 it's 220
The state of Sarawak (part of Malaysian Borneo) is seriously considering buying the ARJ21 for its MasWings commercial airliner.
So, what is the fuel burn like compared to the competitors? Usually one expects high operating costs with low capital costs, and vice-versa.
Not very good compared to A220s and the ejets,so we're looking for an update
@@loading_notfoundBut I think buying one A220 for $80 mil. You can buy two ARJ21 from the same amount of money with it's ultra reliable engine you will be in more profitable position compared to A220
10:30 these ultra-reliable GE CF34-10A powerplants are most assuredly the ARJ-21's greatest asset. Sure, they're not as efficient as the P&W Geared Turbofan, but they're far more reliable, which matters more. Isn't it interesting - the bargain-bin ARJ-21 comes with more reliable engines than the expensive, fancy Embraer E-2! That being said, GE has the Passport - a new-technology, more fuel-efficient alternative to the CF34-10. If GE puts the shelved NG34 program into production, it would both be more efficient and more reliable than anything P&W has.
The quality coming out of Boeing will make Chinese quality seem acceptable.
don't hold your breath. them chinese will not let "Boing" do better in the Temu-quality plane market! 😗👍
Not a chance
I’m skeptical.
@@kittytrailTamu was designed for poor people who are barely above homeless, if you mainly buy from tamu, then you need to improve yourself so you can afford better quality products.
Stereotypes about Chinese hardware are just that. Chinese people are just as capable as any other human. Underestimating them with cruel jokes is exactly how you lose.
I hope they apply a performance improvement program and look at reducing weight in the aircraft, and improving systems. A new engine option would also be useful
Well, the major airlines in China are state run, as is Comac, so there's no real profit in selling your own merchandise to yourself. The benefit is not paying for it from somewhere else, I guess. Airlines aren't stupid, though. They'll pay more for an airliner that's 10% more efficient knowing they'll more than make up for it over 20-30 years of the airframe's service. That's why most of the four engines jobbies are gone; not that they'd reached the end of their lifespan, but because they're not as efficient. Not to mention, better technology often also includes reduced maintenance costs.
Wish them the best, aviation needs more comfortable aircraft
@3:38 Fan spins in the wrong direction.
When fan is spinning in high speed it looks like it's spinning in opposite direction
Pk TJA, TJB, ALC, comac ARJ 21 700 operated Trans nusa Indonesia
Well if COMAC develops a 2nd gen with GE Passport engines then this plane will have a bright future. After all DC-9 style planes are still efficient aerodynamically if modern technologies are adopted.
and maybe we will see the Tu-334 in the near future too
0:40 this is the best position for an engine on an airplane. You lose one motor your plane was still fly straight
Tupolev had no hand in this? It just hit me that this is not unlike the Tu-334
It's closer to the Fokker 100. It is unlikely that Tupolev has anything to do with this
AR-21 remind us to Tu-334
thank god it;s not 737 max PAIN
Good balanced video no racist approach
The key is to get approved by the EU and the FAA. This will sell like hotcakes if there are no corners cut like on the 919 computer systems only having a 2 redundant system set up with all the other commercial planes having 3 systems.
Que paso con tu canal en español?
more competitition is good
Wouldn't take much for it to be better than a Boeing.
The interior overhead bins and sidewalls are the same as a Boeing 717…
yes, because China was all set to produce MD95 before it became B717 and Boeing ended the coproduction deal. There were a lot of tooling in China for parts of that aircraft and they reused as much of it as possible.
The business jet vertion. Range 6,000 km is not serius, theEmraer Lineage flies 8,500 and the ACJ200 over 10,000
Width of fuselage: 3.14. Someone wanted the math to work out easily.
COMAC'S Strategy is to build a Factory in the US and find an American Investors. In that way they can somehow circumvent America's hostilility towards them. It will be a win/win situation.
Thanks for another EXCELLENT and informative video!!! GO CHINA!!! 🇨🇳
Should it be called DC9 Neo or DC9 MAX ?
A Temu version of a DC-9
@@anotheruser9876 but with much more reliable engines than anything from P&W 😎
Many = People from the USA. TBH I don't think countries other than the United States are concerned about China's Aviation Industry.
It’s a DC-9 with winglets
Nah its a MD90 with winglets
the Russian SSJ-100 is not dead at all, it is the real phoenix because it will be resurrected in 2026 with a new name (SJ-100 for the moment, but it might change again) and new engine (UEC PD-8) and new wing (with added winglet) ✈
17:15 LOL
Good morning from Toronto.Canada
Hello, Canada
China civil aviation industry is amazingly impressive. Well done China 👍♥️🇨🇳
The problem with buying Chinese planes is Washington has a habit of slapping sanctions to the airline and its govts country. Lots of security and maintenance issues before we could even fly to the mainland USA.
Right now I will trust this chinese manufacturer more than I trust boeing
Essentially an upgraded DC 9-10 mission aircraft that first flew 49 years ago.
As an airline pilot Im glad to be retiring soon....
Looks like dc9
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US Boeing quality keeps declining and China COMAC quality keeps increasing. If this continues, at some time there will be some point where one will replace another one.
Onboarded the ARJ two times, HET-XIL and right back on the same aircraft, Genghis Khan Airline. The ride is adequate, nothing really to complain about, not bad for a regional airliner. The rear part IS noisy, but the front part is not, so it's ok on average. But I don't really believe it will have a great future in the foreign market since Chinese planes got a bad bad reputation from some foreign airliners for it's MA60 and Y-7. And those airliners who bought MA60 and Y-7 have already represented those countries with the best relationship with China, but now even they did not choose to pick the ARJ. A very similar situation is Iran, which would rather choose to treasure its antique F-14 but not go for modern military planes from China and Russia, since they know who's really better and with greater reputation.
Soon will be ABC，then ACB in 15 years, CAB in 25 years. They will success.
Better quality then boeing
Nice to hear you say lavatory and not restroom or bathroom as is the current American way of saying toilet which appears to be a dirty word.
With 40% foreign parts, it's probably better.
China took a lot of risk and spent a lot of time and money in these jets, china learnt alot from soviet unions.
Looks like the child of a DC-9 and Fokker, DC-9 body, and Fokker windshield
To quote Aviation Week : The ARJ21 is built with manufacturing tooling from the MD-90 Trunkliner program. As a consequence, it has the same fuselage cross-section, nose profile, and tail.
It doesn't matter what they call it, it still an MD80/90. Which they built under license for years.
doesn't matter much , not under license any more it's not MD it's AJR
I am aware, they didn't try to hide the parentage at all though. Look at the cockpit windows with the classic dips beneath the pilot and copilot positions. Classic Boeing and MD, while still features of the 737 and 767, Airbus and other European manufacturers stayed away from that particular styling trend. I think it is brilliant of China to get as much out of the west as they can, while they can. All those American and European vendors of avionics and precision machined bits and pieces are required to team with Chinese companies and share their intellectual property till the Chinese companies are capable of shoplifting that Int Prop for themselves.
@johnh4434
@@300guy
Funny hater losers 🤡
Shaped of the nose and tail are different to the MD-80 .
China is smart to have most components to be sourced from key NATO countries... a form of leverage to prevent the Yanks from ordering international barring of the ARJ .
just like chinese car before 2021, not as good as other manufacturers, but not anymore. will be the same story in a few decades.
@@YSKWatch
Fake news.
Chinese cars were already good in 2021.
I don't think people would be fly Chinese anything:)
The Chinese DC-9. :)
Half Fokker half DC-9
I think still Airbus and Boeing still strong in the market, Russia much longer in this industry still far below them.
Baby steps.
Better than Boeing, Safety is first, no revenues
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Через пару дней
“They had to make a clean sheet design” the arj21 is based on the md80 just made smaller into regional jet size. This is a pretty well known fact. Mcdonnell Douglass moved a production line of the md80 to china and thats how they got the experience building this plane. Its not a clean sheet design at all.
yea..................but.......... so?
@@zalo_tuandriverga so nothing. He just said its clean sheet, so I pointed out that it isnt.
It was the chinese aviation engineer who help Boeing to built up their first commercial airplane empire. 😂
Chinese national, but he was gone from China before he was even an adult.
What it means is that "Chinese got talent"
@@benjaminpallangyo4545 No question about that. I'm only pushing back against any implication that the USA has China to thank for its airliner industry.
@@marcmcreynolds2827 , well, what it mean is dont think that china would need america that much to build up their sociaty. They have more talented in china than some americanised chinese. Like tyres wong or some chinese scientists or researcher kind of talented people are alot in china.
@@walhdamaskus2408 Agreed as to the talent pool. What has kept the PRC so far behind is its political leaders, delaying technological progress compared to Taiwan or the USA.
Mao's persecution of intellectuals, including scientists and technologists, established the pattern and made an already big gap even bigger: Start a manned space program c.1965/stop it... and persecute the participants. First taikonaut not until 35 years later.
That continued with subsequent leaders: Start an airliner program/stop it (Deng). Xi's focus has clearly been military domination of the region, so war equipment programs have moved along relatively well compared to the very slow pace of commercial projects. So then even after all those extra years are expended, nothing to show for it but uncompetitive/outdated airliner designs (ARJ21, C919). No ability to produce them in significant numbers either, working from COMAC's production goal for the next five years.
In summary: Great country, great people, lousy leaders.
I cried when I saw C919 soared to the sky in Singapore are show!
✈
Well done China, all the best from Australia.
In the future I can see China and Russia pooling resources as further sanctions from the dying US empire seem inevitable, I hope they can manufacture 100% of the aircraft and spares within their own countries
Russia has nothing to offer china at this point
i wish them good luck but i get the feeling much like european aircraft builders prior to airbus, these planes might not have much luck outside of China
Better than boeing
COMAC ARJ21 it is hidden existence McDonnell Douglas MD-80. Actually it is similar upgrades to what the Boeing 737 is doing but Chinesse model is minor problems space for new and bigger models of engine.
China copy this copy that! China copy what?
Intonation is like dictor hates everyone and wants to kill you, as soon as video will end 😂
The dictor doesn't hate anyone. Besides the editor
Bros Just Copied MD-83 and make it Safer than McDonnel Douglas and Boeing
The MD-80 & MD-90 are once made under License in China back on its day. However, since they still own the tooling, it also makes the plane resemble the MD-80.
Updated Fokker 100.
Bravo Mighty CHINA 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
CHINA! CHINA! CHINA!
is a BIG Market and buyer of her own airliners herself,
...no risks of trade wars, or sanctions, or boycotts from those buying countries like Amurican!
🤣😂🤣
China civil aviation industry is incredibly impressive. Well done China 👍❤️🇨🇳
only the russian module ... chineese there is no innovation ... and very big desing
I’m thinking of replacing one of my two Gulfstreams and I’m considering a Chinese jet this time. My family has been Glufstream customers for three generations, but I’m thinking of breaking the mould.
I'm not travelling on a temu jetliner lol. I'd rather fly Boeing than made in China and that's saying something
Yeah, flying without door and tires. Have fun at 1000ft.
8:27 these kinda assumptions are so funny, cause there’s so many planes with the exact same elements that how could anyone design something at all unique?
I think it’s a flaw relying on US engines… I hope for China’s sake they have plans to find a domestic..or maybe Russian engine solution when or if required?
There are advantages, it makes the aircraft more attractive in the US and it allows Chinese companies to build good relations with US companies.
@@JohnnyWednesday the way the world is heading the last part maybe a lower concern sadly
I think their local engine is getting better already sooner or later they'll have local engine for ARJ.
But those US engines, being the ultra-reliable GE CF34-10, happen to be the ARJ-21's greatest asset 😎
@@rafaelwilks no use if the administration decide to ban the export, backup plan is a must.
The arj is nothing but a DC-9/ MD-80 . Made by the same company that made licensed production models of the md 80 and dc9
Not to mention look at the physical shape of the fuselodge and the aft emergency exit by the engine then look at that same location on the Dc-9-30.
This is nothing new however I do respect China's recent offers to the aviation table. They offer cheaper and different alternatives to the aviation table
@@GabbieGirl007but at subpar quality
@@Randomly_Browsing how so
@@GabbieGirl007 one of the Australian airliner had to stopped operate MA60 due to several issues
@@Randomly_Browsingma60 was not certified to fly in Australia, what fk are you smoking?
Sell it to undeveloped countries 😅😅
Fake version of the mad dog (md-80)
And another copy ... When will they really design something by themselves?
So COMAC (i.e. the Chinese gvt) built a very basic plane with no technological advancements, copying a VERY old MD-80 design, using outdated engine technology and, most importantly, an infinite budget from the CCP. And this is what they came up with? I looks pretty obvious to me that the project would have been cancelled a long time ago if it wasn't for two things: 1. National pride (hence the infinite budget), and 2. Political (and physical) pressure on the manufacturer (mostly the workers) to deliver a plane, or else.
I love your videos, but this one was a bit too patriotic. Don't you think?
Who give a shit about you and your thoughts?
Wrong, everyone knows that this is an aircraft with backward technical standards, but it has to be built because China needs to build a passenger plane from 0 to 1 to familiarize itself with the airworthiness certification process of passenger planes and pave the way for the development and airworthiness certification of the C919 large passenger plane. In the eyes of a stupid person like you, what kind of national pride is this plane? I don't know where you came to this conclusion. Maybe you are used to making rumors and lying on youtube. I don't understand how you came to such a stupid conclusion that "the CCP provides an unlimited budget". Do you really think the CCP is stupid? If this is true, 1.4 billion Chinese people will not support the CCP, especially under the propaganda offensive of democratic lies by Western countries led by the United States.
Japan's MRJ regional jet of the same level is far more advanced than ARJ21, but the MRJ prototype has been destroyed. The entire project wasted more than a decade and billions of dollars, but was stuck at the stage of passenger aircraft certification. MRJ, a very advanced regional jet, must be very meaningful to people like you, right? You must think you are insightful and have pointed out the reason why the CCP made an aircraft with backward technology like ARJ21 for national pride and face? Do you really think that others are stupid, but you are smart? In my opinion, you are neither smart nor have real wisdom, like a typical Indian.