Hey there’s no greater incentive to do great than a possible execution. Like those Chinese olympians who know anything less than a gold medal is gonna get their family wiped out. Incentive!!
my dad had an original russian AKM when he served in the SAA (syrian arab army) while most other soldiers had customized AK74M i wonder how much it would actually cost
This thing will sell for thousands of dollars at that auction house as a "Class III machine gun".In Africa or Afghanistan it's probably worth one small goat or a few chickens. That's all I could think through the whole video.
Watchlist Well yeah,but that's probably the tribes that live the most primitively,you know farther out from the cities.And I've seen some of those cows on Nat Geo,it would take 3 of them to make up one American Angus lol
Here's a really good one that was actually a study,if you scroll down there's tables.So we were all right lol www.smallarmssurvey.org/fileadmin/docs/A-Yearbook/2007/en/full/Small-Arms-Survey-2007-Chapter-08-EN.pdf
You have really out done yourself here, this is simply one of the greatest firearm and history channel on YT. Imagine if someone gave you a TV show budget, all the crazy firearms you could see. Thank you so much for doing these videos.
Scoldpedia I know, I'm just saying with a bigger budget he could travel to other places and see more unique weapons. In Thailand they have a lot of unique weapons left over from the Vietnam war. Vickers tactical went to Russia and saw some really unique firearms in a museum not even the general public gets to see, pretty sure they would let Ian do the same. The show I'm thinking of are the ones R. Lee Ermey did on the history channel.
Well his patreon account has already enabled him to travel across the country to cover some exotic weaponry. But agreed, this is very interesting channel
The Maltese Armed Forces still uses the type 58, they were gifted from North Korea to Malta in the 1970's/1980's to help improve relations with the east.
@@TheOtherOne122 indian paramilitaries or police have northkorean and chinese variants in large numbers ! No purchase was ever made but captured from various terror groups . These supposedly came through myanmmar and thai arms dealers . Though india was/is close to Soviet union / russia and buy billion dollar worth every year , india never bought aks from them . Still india has tens of thousands of soviet made aks in service .
@@TheOtherOne122 Because Malta's part of Europe, but has no outstanding grudges with either the Western or the Eastern blocs, so it has often been used as a go-between. The Cold War was ended in Maltese Territory when Gorbachev and HW Bush met on a ship just off the Maltese coast.
Carolus Magnus Any fully transferable non-parts-kit AK is going to bring minimum $30,000. Add to that a known Vietnam era bring back and be one of maybe 10 of the variant in the country brings the extra $20,000. There will never be any more transferable machine guns for civilian ownership so if you want one you have to pay. It’s an investment or store of wealth like a classic car or airplane but with lower maintenance cost and more fun than a kilo and a half of gold.
some people say kalashnikov rifles are ugly, I've always loved everything about them, including the looks, especially that battle worn look. I'm a sucker for purchasing kalashnikovas of any kind but this one is just a tad out of my price range!! beautiful rifle though
go to Stermgewehr dot com then NFA guns. they will have a pretty full auto AK for you maybe , MAYBE 15 to 20 grand. just depends, could be less. but after the election and Trump is not the winner? you will never get one legally.
I wonder how many gigs of memory it would take to store all the knowledge you have in your head about these weapons into a digital format. Great video, thank you!
Depending on the format I assume one could compress it to a few dozens of megabytes in pure text ;-) I mean... our memory isn't text at all but you could "translate" it to text.
What few know about this particular rifle is that it wasn't captured during the Vietnam War, but defected to the West after getting caught visiting Tokyo Disneyland.
You're joking, right? Because no way can you take something like this into Japan without it getting confiscated by law enforcement and whoever is caught bringing it in getting arrested, as that this is a prohibited weapon, only available to military, law enforcement, research institutions (I think) and maybe ship security guards (I read that Japan permits ship crews traveling through certain areas to carry rifles to combat piracy).
SayNoTo Democide For those of you who don't want the joke spoiled (as funny or unfunny as it may be), read no further than this line. But if you want to learn a little bit more about Best Korea, go on ahead. The gag was that one of Kim Jong-il's sons (Kim Jong-nam) made a huge row internationally when Japanese authorities caught him using a fake passport with the intention of sneaking into Tokyo Disneyland. It is a big reason why his little (half)brother is now running the whole freakshow. Eh, they can't all be zingers.
Has anyone seen those pictures of North Korean Ak 74 with helical magazines. Is that really possible or is it an attempt to make themselves seem more advanced than they are? m.imgur.com/69zPSN2?r
North Korea will make all sorts of weird things trying to Modernize without really modernizing. Look at their tanks for example they mounted Strela manpads on them for some reason.
I bet that is possible, but you never know with North Korea. There are similar types of magazines on the market today, so I wouldn't doubt it working on a gun.
Stupid question... if this was in South Korea would 련 be spilled 연? I ask because sometimes I see words that use ㅇ in South Korea use ㄹ in North Korea. Here's a Spongebob though... 뮤
The serial number does not start with "2L". It is, as you pointed out, the Korean letters ㄹ and ㄴ. The serial number is ㄹㄴ7952. And it looks like there's the letter ㅍ off to the side.
@@DunkelzeitgeistYeah, Hangul is unique to Korean (and a really cool script in it's own right). But Korean also sometimes uses Chinese characters called hanja.
The serial number, ㄹㄴ 7952, the first two characters are Korean characters. At least the first character ㄹ, I'm sure it is. There is a number 2 on the last digit of the serial number, and that 2 looks different from the first character ㄹ. ㄹ is simply the 4th consonant character in the Korean letter system that pronounces like L or R in Roman alphabet. The system is called 한글(HanGeul) and was independently developed in the 15th century by a king named 세종. It is now used in both north and south Korea, and is also exported to many tribes in Indonesia and Africa which don't have their own writing systems for their languages. This system really does write sounds well, and is also very easy to learn. Smart foreign people even challenge mastering the writing system within one day. (And some of them actually make it.) He and his son(the next king) 문종 were also two greatest military technicians who developed many medieval firearms like 화차(Hwacha) which is popular in the western world as Korean multiple rocket launching system. Look at my profile photo. That's Hwacha. Search the kings' names if interested in early gunpowder-based rockets, bombs, guns in the far East.
A really cool piece of history... Imagine how cheap it was to manufacture though! $54,000 for something which probably cost the modern equivalent of $10 to build 😬
Also just a helpful hint. The serial number doesn't say 2L, it's the hangul characters "ㄹ" which is pronounced as "Rieul", and "ㄴ" which is pronounced as "Nieun". On the selector markings, "례" is prounounced as "Rae" and "대" which is "Dae" :D
Ian, what you described as 2L in the serial number at 5:15 is translated as the letters RN in Korean Hangul. Presumably short for Russian. The Korean word for Russian is essentially a Korean Loanword. Google translate has it as pronounced "leosiain". I know you have its provenance well in hand, but I thought you might find the extra evidence of interest.
Hey Ian, love your insight into the production of these weapons. I'd be really interested to hear your insight into the design and manufacture of other objects someday. Say an Eames fibreglass chair or the plywood splint they made for the US army.
Here are the translations of the letters beside the selector. 'ㄹㅕㄴ' = '련' it's abbreviation for '련발' and it means automatic. 'ㄷㅏㄴ' = '단' it's abbreviation for '단발' and it means semi-automatic. And I think those first and second letters in serial number aren't 2 and L. I think those are Korean characters 'ㄹ' and 'ㄴ'
Stamped AK Type 1 weight 4.45 kg Milled AK Type 2 and 3 weight 4.3 kg Stamped AKM weight 3.3 kg i took those information from Drs Cor Roodhorst's book. Soviet MOD demanded the gun to weight about than 4kg, because they think that a lighter gun would be uncontrollable in full auto. in 1955 they changed their doctrine, that was when the new assault rifle program was started, three designer participated: Kalashnikov(A-55 and RP-55), Korobov(TKB-517 and TKB-516) and Konstantinov(2B-A-45 and 2B-P-40). Soviet MOD demanded a light weight avtomat and a LMG version of that avtomat. In the end, Kalashnikov won, A-55 became the AKM, RP-55 became the RPK.
Now this is cool! I don’t care too much if it’s full auto or semi, but the fact that you have something so rare from North Korea in your collection would be very interesting!
“Not a lot of stuff from North Korea has made it to the United States” Mostly because they haven’t figured out how to get it here by way of ballistic missile
I’ve got an original North Korean turd, that was smuggled out amongst a box of type 58 AKs. Bidding starts at $25,000. This could be the legendary turd from then President, Kim Il-Sung.
Honestly I think it's pretty cool that it has a different bolt in it then the original because that means the original soldier that had this changed the bolt out to a different one because it was broken or something... Adds to the story ya know
I had the same rifle, while serving in the army. I am from East Europe, ours had markings for our country, tho. You brought memories... It is really heavy rifle and one must take some time to get used to it.
Some say that over three years later, the buyer is still waiting on the ATF to get back to him about the transfer.
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I once saw one of these for sale in Sweden :D
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***** I have 2 machineguns myself, 3 AR15:s 8 suppressors Aks etc etc. Socialist paradise Sweden has better gun laws than many parts of the US. They are shit atm though.
The Type 58 and K2 deawoo are assault rifles that two North and South Korea soldiers use patrol along a barbed wire fence . Facing each other on the 38th parallel DMZ for almost a decade
I love the way he says if you want one of these, you can bid at the auction, you'd think he was talking about a candy bar, your darn right I want one, perhaps the NFA help me out with that one!
"... and they would use western type numbers for ..." Those "western type numbers" you speak of are called "arabic numerals", but probaby originated in India.
James wrong western numbers are different then Arabic numbers western numbers were based on Arabic numbers but there are differences a simple google search would have taught you that
Awesome video! The history and your knowledge is admirable to say the least... Someone mentioned it a few comments down, you deserve your own TV show. They can cancel out one of the dozens of the fix em up car shows and give you a chance... I know they're not 'forgotten' so to speak, but it would be interesting if you did pieces in firearms that are no longer imported, like Ploytech, or FEG AKs... Things like that. Thanks again.
It's still weird to see Western characters or even English on stuff like this. I was looking at the 100 series on Kalashnikov's website the other day, and the side says nice and big in English "made in Russia' I guess they export them and English is relatively common in a good chunk of the world, but it still seems somewhat out of place.
This is the gun gloriously leader kim chi un empty entire clip and sprayed all bulleyes. The bullets also reloaded themself in new brass then reloaded into the ak57.
My favorite Kim Jung IL joke was on the day he died. A comedian newscaster was doing his fake newscast that showed a picture of Kim Jung IL to which he said: "Kim Jung IL? No, Kim Jung dead"...
the auction link is nice, but I prefer to get my North Korean AK's the old school way, from a crate in a dimly lit harbour warehouse from a guy called Ivan.
Could you frankenstein-mash a bunch of AK's from different countries and still have it function? Obviously they have the "same" parts but is there variation between parts?
It's interesting then that Americans, by all accounts, liked to self-arm with AK-47s, including Type 58s, in Vietnam, when they had guns designed 15 years later, in a first world country, rather than in Stalin era USSR or 50s DPRK.
50000 ? well my encyclopedia says it's more like 800000 pieces that were produced by the Jyn Chul arsenal, that seems logical since the north korean use it for their military even to this day. The type 68 (AKM) seems even more rare in their military
Why so many Captains Obvious about Ian's casual reference to Western Numerals? Last I checked, India and the Middle East are both west of the DPRK. And all Western countries use those numerals. I am frankly surprised that the North Koreans used them, rather than their own Korean numbers, given their belligerence and hostility to almost anything outside their perverted version of the Hermit Kingdom.
I know what you mean, and you are formally right. If I didn't sit here trying to avoid important work I would leave you without chipping in a argument: That is the name they gave themselves. Some countries are not called internationally what they call themselves. Also, when DPRK Korea calls themselves that, it is because they claim that they are Korea, and that there is no south Korea, but a occupied part of their territory. So In a way, DPRK Korea are wrong about themselves. They are in fact North Korea.
Well...I am sorry to point it out Ian but the 'L' character on the serial number seems to be a Korean alphabet known as 'ㄴ', shown in 5:07. The two markings on the receiver stand for '련발' - Korean for full auto, and '단발' - semi auto, respectively. I - even a South Korean - have never come across a North Korean AK, most likely because if they were even captured, they would have been sent to military training centers or de-milled and put in museums. Thank you for showcasing this very rare gem!Jack the Gun/History nut.
Little known fact: The "58" actually stands for the the era North Korea has been perpetually time locked in for the last half a century. #TheMoreYouKnow :)
Holy fuck that thing is crudly made! And I thought the K98 was crude. Norwegian Krag rifles (Except the stomperud) now that is a finely made milsurp. This gun is one ugly beast. (Not saying this is a bad thing)
2ㄴ 7952 ㅁ is in English 2B, 7952 Wh which is probably (from a guess) second year of production, second month (February) serial # 7952 and Wh is probably the plant it was produced at. This is just my best guess along with my South Korean friend who translated the chactacters for me.
No, the "ㄹㄴ7952" is actually "RN7952" transliterated into Latin characters. North Korean banknotes use similar Hangul prefixes for their serial numbers and series, so it's similar to German letter suffixes on their serial numbers for every 10000th unit. If they were designating month then they would have probably used something like "2월" - February. Source: am Korean.
Yeah the serial number is Korean, "2ㄴ7952 ㅁ" In English it's "2N7952 M". Next, 레" and "대" which is sort of like "lay"and "dyay". No idea what that means, the Pyongyang dialect it's different from the seoul version i know
Those aren't Western, Arabic or even Roman numerals. The serial number is using Korean characters, ㅁ or ㅍ. Which would be M and P respectively.. Why the FUCK would you think north Koreans would want to use English, Roman, or anything other than Korean? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juche
Wherever they came from, the numbering system is called Arabic numerals and the judaeo Christian world (the west) used Roman numerals. Labels are just labels.
RonJohn63 I thought he meant the "ㅍ" that looks like a roman numeral, not the digits. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_numerals en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Korean_vocabulary
It isn't 2L on left side of reciver its 'ㄹㄴ ' in Kor (btw idk what 'ㄹㄴ' stands for in type 58 rifle) For the selector it is 려+ㄴ and 다+ㄴ which r from 련(연)발 (meaning Auto in Kor) and 단발 (meaning semi-auto in Kor)
Ian - I have read in my World Encyclopedia of Firearms that for some reason when DPRK switched from AK to AKM they didn't bother with the rate reducer/anti-bolt bounce mechanism. I assume this one lacks that because it's essentially AK-47 design rather than AKM but I have noted numerous instances in the Encyclopedia where the information is erroneous. I know this is a small detail, but I am curious...what say you? Do you have any information about this technical/mechanical omission on DPRK's part during the AK/M transition or even confirmation that the claim is true? If it is true can you speculate as to why they would've not bothered with it. They parts themselves seem like they'd be rather cheap to produce en masse and couldn't possibly add much complication to assembly. Were they pinching pennies (yuan?) that tightly? Much appreciation and respect.
Adopted in 1947? Wasn't it in 1949? Cuz, AFAIK, the 1947 version was kinda "adopted but not too much" - they were produced in some numbers but still considered trial guns. And the design underwent improvements throughout 1948 until they finally adopted it in 1949. I rarely if ever hear anyone from older generations calling it AK 47, its just AK for us. And also, milled receivers came in early 50s.
Do you find it ironic that you host a channel called forgotten weapons where the highest viewed videos are weapons very much not forgotten? I suppose everyone just wants to see what they know.
Can you do a review of indian INSAS rifle or any of the other guns produced in India under license, like the FN FAL or AKs. I have seen your 303 episode and also I am following the lightning project. Love your content
the AKM was adopted in 1959; the AK-47 was adopted in 1949, and by 1956 it fully replaced the SKS as the Frontline soviet service rifle, and started to be exported (most notably to China in 1956).
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Even North Korea can manufacture a better AK than Century Arms
Hey there’s no greater incentive to do great than a possible execution. Like those Chinese olympians who know anything less than a gold medal is gonna get their family wiped out. Incentive!!
@@merlynleger6916 Not really. punishment - even a normal one like a fine in a corporate environment often discourages from reporting issues
@@Turalcar I think he was kidding.
About the same manufacturing capacity but North Korea uses a thing called fear to get good quality rifles
Ouch
Just imagine how many rare aks may be in Afghanistan or Syria just laying around and in the US are probably worth thousands and thousands of dollars
You have no idea...
to be fair, if you would sell all those the price would go down massively.
I've seen some pictures of type 1 AKs with slab sided mags in Afghanistan.
Wait till you see the US weapons they’ve acquired
my dad had an original russian AKM when he served in the SAA (syrian arab army) while most other soldiers had customized AK74M
i wonder how much it would actually cost
This thing will sell for thousands of dollars at that auction house as a "Class III machine gun".In Africa or Afghanistan it's probably worth one small goat or a few chickens. That's all I could think through the whole video.
They're worth a little more to some african tribes, like 3 cows or something.
Watchlist Well yeah,but that's probably the tribes that live the most primitively,you know farther out from the cities.And I've seen some of those cows on Nat Geo,it would take 3 of them to make up one American Angus lol
I was wrong, it's more like 6 cows.
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/global-arms-trade-africa-and-the-curse-of-the-ak-47-6104458.html
It depends on where in Africa though mgafrica.com/article/2014-10-14-if-you-want-to-know-the-real-price-of-an-ak-47-shop-in-africa
Here's a really good one that was actually a study,if you scroll down there's tables.So we were all right lol www.smallarmssurvey.org/fileadmin/docs/A-Yearbook/2007/en/full/Small-Arms-Survey-2007-Chapter-08-EN.pdf
You have really out done yourself here, this is simply one of the greatest firearm and history channel on YT. Imagine if someone gave you a TV show budget, all the crazy firearms you could see. Thank you so much for doing these videos.
The channel don't actually own any kinds, as far as I know. They just display them for auction houses.
Scoldpedia I know, I'm just saying with a bigger budget he could travel to other places and see more unique weapons. In Thailand they have a lot of unique weapons left over from the Vietnam war. Vickers tactical went to Russia and saw some really unique firearms in a museum not even the general public gets to see, pretty sure they would let Ian do the same. The show I'm thinking of are the ones R. Lee Ermey did on the history channel.
Well his patreon account has already enabled him to travel across the country to cover some exotic weaponry. But agreed, this is very interesting channel
Just get him on the outdoors channel so that way shooting usa and midway gun stories have some competition.
yeah Ian finds all the cool AK47's no one knows about :)
The Maltese Armed Forces still uses the type 58, they were gifted from North Korea to Malta in the 1970's/1980's to help improve relations with the east.
Fascinating trivia. Can only wonder why isolationist North Korea wanted to improve relations with the island nation of Malta
@@TheOtherOne122 before the fall of the soviet union NK was a lot less isolationist.
@@TheOtherOne122 indian paramilitaries or police have northkorean and chinese variants in large numbers ! No purchase was ever made but captured from various terror groups . These supposedly came through myanmmar and thai arms dealers .
Though india was/is close to Soviet union / russia and buy billion dollar worth every year , india never bought aks from them . Still india has tens of thousands of soviet made aks in service .
@@TheOtherOne122 Because Malta's part of Europe, but has no outstanding grudges with either the Western or the Eastern blocs, so it has often been used as a go-between. The Cold War was ended in Maltese Territory when Gorbachev and HW Bush met on a ship just off the Maltese coast.
@@TheOtherOne122 Malta has a reputation for offshore banking.
It was kinda weird to watch a video from Ian and actually think ''Hey, l know how that gun disassembles''.
"Sold for $54,625"
Wat?
Worst investment
Carolus Magnus 1: It’s full auto, which means more money
2: It’s a rare variant in a popular market, which means more money.
That’s crazy. I would love to own it but I don’t think I could pay more than 5k myself.
Michael James You’d he lucky to find any full auto AK for $5K
Carolus Magnus Any fully transferable non-parts-kit AK is going to bring minimum $30,000. Add to that a known Vietnam era bring back and be one of maybe 10 of the variant in the country brings the extra $20,000. There will never be any more transferable machine guns for civilian ownership so if you want one you have to pay. It’s an investment or store of wealth like a classic car or airplane but with lower maintenance cost and more fun than a kilo and a half of gold.
I love all the scars and scratches. That gun has seen a lot in its life
some people say kalashnikov rifles are ugly, I've always loved everything about them, including the looks, especially that battle worn look. I'm a sucker for purchasing kalashnikovas of any kind but this one is just a tad out of my price range!! beautiful rifle though
go to Stermgewehr dot com then NFA guns. they will have a pretty full auto AK for you maybe , MAYBE 15 to 20 grand. just depends, could be less. but after the election and Trump is not the winner? you will never get one legally.
Davidautofull hey... I'm from the future... Trump won
SilverStar Heggisist whhaaat..how do you know Trump won? what are you, one of those phsycics or something
Rip he was right
Agree but I personally like the look of the AKs
I wonder how many gigs of memory it would take to store all the knowledge you have in your head about these weapons into a digital format. Great video, thank you!
probably a few terabytes
Depending on the format I assume one could compress it to a few dozens of megabytes in pure text ;-)
I mean... our memory isn't text at all but you could "translate" it to text.
Images complex causal action sequences and whole concepts encoded on a physics framework as a few mgs huh
Imagine taking all that knowledge, converting it to a text file and then converting that file to an image. Visual knowledge.
Considering it'd probably be a text file, not as much as you might expect.
Will Magpul furniture fit on this
no but SpongeBob tape and a red dot will make it look oper8tor af
not knowing what proletariat means.
Knowing what it means makes you well read and erudite... for a communist.
Maybe zhukov for yugo cant fit on this.
D8W2P4 lol
ㄹㅕㄴ is 연발 = Auto
ㄷ ㅏㄴ is 단발 = Semiauto
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북한은 련발이라고 쓰네요 남한은 자동이라고 쓰는데
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@@ChoboUnjeonK2에도 연발이라고 되어있습니다
What few know about this particular rifle is that it wasn't captured during the Vietnam War, but defected to the West after getting caught visiting Tokyo Disneyland.
You're joking, right? Because no way can you take something like this into Japan without it getting confiscated by law enforcement and whoever is caught bringing it in getting arrested, as that this is a prohibited weapon, only available to military, law enforcement, research institutions (I think) and maybe ship security guards (I read that Japan permits ship crews traveling through certain areas to carry rifles to combat piracy).
SayNoTo Democide For those of you who don't want the joke spoiled (as funny or unfunny as it may be), read no further than this line. But if you want to learn a little bit more about Best Korea, go on ahead.
The gag was that one of Kim Jong-il's sons (Kim Jong-nam) made a huge row internationally when Japanese authorities caught him using a fake passport with the intention of sneaking into Tokyo Disneyland. It is a big reason why his little (half)brother is now running the whole freakshow.
Eh, they can't all be zingers.
WoobooRidesAgain Thanks for your answer. And I heard that Kim Jong Nam tried to go to Disneyland Tokyo.
SayNoTo Democide that is exactly what the comment above said??
@@w0rloko not for him I guess
Personally, I love how the wood is in really rough shape. It really adds character to the rifle. Who knows how much abuse it's seen in its lifetime.
Especially in the korean war
Has anyone seen those pictures of North Korean Ak 74 with helical magazines. Is that really possible or is it an attempt to make themselves seem more advanced than they are?
m.imgur.com/69zPSN2?r
North Korea will make all sorts of weird things trying to Modernize without really modernizing. Look at their tanks for example they mounted Strela manpads on them for some reason.
Looks like a really crude version of the Russian Bizon submachine gun
I've never seen anything like that before but that's probably just north Korea trying to look more advanced then they actually are
***** North Korea has Tractors with MLRS tubes. They have the weirdest military gear.
I bet that is possible, but you never know with North Korea. There are similar types of magazines on the market today, so I wouldn't doubt it working on a gun.
KOREAN-> (ㄹㄴ) 7592
려ㄴ = 련 = AUTO
다ㄴ= 단 = SEMI
Stupid question... if this was in South Korea would 련 be spilled 연? I ask because sometimes I see words that use ㅇ in South Korea use ㄹ in North Korea.
Here's a Spongebob though... 뮤
@@hyunio @Hyun Seo Because in South Korea, When 'ㄹ' come first in word, 'ㄹ' change 'ㅇ'. It's a part of South Korea grammer rules.
@@swpetaly thank you very much. My Korean is 배리배리 러스티!
@YANEZA Luis Venancio Yee + on say those two fast
@YANEZA Luis Venancio ryuun/dann
The serial number does not start with "2L". It is, as you pointed out, the Korean letters ㄹ and ㄴ. The serial number is ㄹㄴ7952.
And it looks like there's the letter ㅍ off to the side.
AnZ17N i always wondered if some people get Chinese characters tattooed on them because some of the characters look like English...
@@Baegitte Korean* not Chinese. Completely different
@@Dunkelzeitgeist I know. But most people who get East Asian tattoos choose Chinese characters, not Korean or Japanese.
@@Baegitte 'most people' term depends on who is talking
@@DunkelzeitgeistYeah, Hangul is unique to Korean (and a really cool script in it's own right). But Korean also sometimes uses Chinese characters called hanja.
Holy shit. This is one of the most beautiful weathered rifles I've ever seen
The serial number, ㄹㄴ 7952, the first two characters are Korean characters. At least the first character ㄹ, I'm sure it is. There is a number 2 on the last digit of the serial number, and that 2 looks different from the first character ㄹ. ㄹ is simply the 4th consonant character in the Korean letter system that pronounces like L or R in Roman alphabet.
The system is called 한글(HanGeul) and was independently developed in the 15th century by a king named 세종. It is now used in both north and south Korea, and is also exported to many tribes in Indonesia and Africa which don't have their own writing systems for their languages.
This system really does write sounds well, and is also very easy to learn. Smart foreign people even challenge mastering the writing system within one day. (And some of them actually make it.)
He and his son(the next king) 문종 were also two greatest military technicians who developed many medieval firearms like 화차(Hwacha) which is popular in the western world as Korean multiple rocket launching system. Look at my profile photo. That's Hwacha. Search the kings' names if interested in early gunpowder-based rockets, bombs, guns in the far East.
You deserve more likes for this comment.
A really cool piece of history... Imagine how cheap it was to manufacture though!
$54,000 for something which probably cost the modern equivalent of $10 to build 😬
This video felt like it’s lasted just a couple of minutes. Damn this was satisfying
Also just a helpful hint. The serial number doesn't say 2L, it's the hangul characters "ㄹ" which is pronounced as "Rieul", and "ㄴ" which is pronounced as "Nieun".
On the selector markings, "례" is prounounced as "Rae" and "대" which is "Dae"
:D
First syllable isn't 레 it's 례 or "Rye" for 련발 (표준어: 연발) and second one isn't 데 but 대 (단발) which is pronounced the same.
Meme Lord
난 한국인 있은 이상, 한국말이 나는 너보다 잘했어. 왜국인.
Jessie Edsell Doesn't seem like it
If there's a 외국인* here, it's you. 더 열심히 공부하라. 안 이해가 뻔했어.
Meme Lord 철자를 다르게 쓰는 방언도 많고 말하는 방식에도 여러 차이가 있어 난 원어민이고 영어는 내 모국어이니까 날 고치지려고 노력하지 마세요.
Ian, what you described as 2L in the serial number at 5:15 is translated as the letters RN in Korean Hangul. Presumably short for Russian. The Korean word for Russian is essentially a Korean Loanword. Google translate has it as pronounced "leosiain". I know you have its provenance well in hand, but I thought you might find the extra evidence of interest.
ㄹㄴ
@@길천사 lah
Damn it, Ian. I was about to go to bed.
same
Ditto.
Hey Ian, love your insight into the production of these weapons. I'd be really interested to hear your insight into the design and manufacture of other objects someday. Say an Eames fibreglass chair or the plywood splint they made for the US army.
Here are the translations of the letters beside the selector.
'ㄹㅕㄴ' = '련' it's abbreviation for '련발' and it means automatic.
'ㄷㅏㄴ' = '단' it's abbreviation for '단발' and it means semi-automatic.
And I think those first and second letters in serial number aren't 2 and L.
I think those are Korean characters 'ㄹ' and 'ㄴ'
Stamped AK Type 1 weight 4.45 kg
Milled AK Type 2 and 3 weight 4.3 kg
Stamped AKM weight 3.3 kg
i took those information from Drs Cor Roodhorst's book. Soviet MOD demanded the gun to weight about than 4kg, because they think that a lighter gun would be uncontrollable in full auto. in 1955 they changed their doctrine, that was when the new assault rifle program was started, three designer participated: Kalashnikov(A-55 and RP-55), Korobov(TKB-517 and TKB-516) and Konstantinov(2B-A-45 and 2B-P-40). Soviet MOD demanded a light weight avtomat and a LMG version of that avtomat. In the end, Kalashnikov won, A-55 became the AKM, RP-55 became the RPK.
Now this is cool! I don’t care too much if it’s full auto or semi, but the fact that you have something so rare from North Korea in your collection would be very interesting!
How many North Korean weapons have you come across?
Only a couple.
Damn that Type 58 looks like it's seen a lot.
It has killed many political prisoners, and some innocent civilians along the way
@@tomsoki5738 damn that's dark
@@tomsoki5738Proof or just you unverified opinion.
@@andrewbunner3591He has no proof so take it with a grain of salt.
@@shadowslayer9988 I mean, it's pretty likely that it has
“Not a lot of stuff from North Korea has made it to the United States”
Mostly because they haven’t figured out how to get it here by way of ballistic missile
I’ve got an original North Korean turd, that was smuggled out amongst a box of type 58 AKs. Bidding starts at $25,000. This could be the legendary turd from then President, Kim Il-Sung.
Somebody with a lot of money is going to have an awesome conversation piece. 😀
Honestly I think it's pretty cool that it has a different bolt in it then the original because that means the original soldier that had this changed the bolt out to a different one because it was broken or something... Adds to the story ya know
I had the same rifle, while serving in the army. I am from East Europe, ours had markings for our country, tho. You brought memories... It is really heavy rifle and one must take some time to get used to it.
Some say that over three years later, the buyer is still waiting on the ATF to get back to him about the transfer.
I once saw one of these for sale in Sweden :D
***** I have 2 machineguns myself, 3 AR15:s 8 suppressors Aks etc etc. Socialist paradise Sweden has better gun laws than many parts of the US. They are shit atm though.
your vids are very relaxing
The Type 58 and K2 deawoo are assault rifles that two North and South Korea soldiers use patrol along a barbed wire fence . Facing each other on the 38th parallel DMZ for almost a decade
only a decade?
no, five decades.
i was half expecting it to shout propaganda about a unified korea every time you rack the bolt...
Great work Ian, love your stuff and how soft spoken you are with such deadly tools.
I love the way he says if you want one of these, you can bid at the auction, you'd think he was talking about a candy bar, your darn right I want one, perhaps the NFA help me out with that one!
I want to see a review on the North Korean anti aircraft gun that you do political house cleaning with. If you get a chance...
lol what
well that anti aircraft gun usage for executions is just a myth
The news headline was just copy and paste by some "journalists"
^ video is not from North Korea
oh there it is. I therefore declare my former statement not valid
Oh gosh, that's gross but at least it's fast way to go.
Is that bullet next to the auction house data shield for a Maxim Pom-Pom 37mm MG?
Yup.
The video is 9:22 long and is about an AK, 922r compliant... coincidence, i think not ;)
Illuminarti
Rob Ski is currently bidding. jk
5000 round test of Nork AK when?
There are AKs with breasts now?
lmfao ! good ol' Rob ski :D
"... and they would use western type numbers for ..."
Those "western type numbers" you speak of are called "arabic numerals", but probaby originated in India.
Those numerals were ultimately adopted by the West. Ian was technically correct.
James wrong western numbers are different then Arabic numbers western numbers were based on Arabic numbers but there are differences a simple google search would have taught you that
I live in Vietnam and when i have my Military training, i saw one of these korean’s AK still served in the Army till these day
*Best Korean type 58 AK
Awesome video! The history and your knowledge is admirable to say the least... Someone mentioned it a few comments down, you deserve your own TV show. They can cancel out one of the dozens of the fix em up car shows and give you a chance... I know they're not 'forgotten' so to speak, but it would be interesting if you did pieces in firearms that are no longer imported, like Ploytech, or FEG AKs... Things like that. Thanks again.
kim jong un must be one of the dislikes.
No he showed it to his people, saying "LOOK at American pig GLAMOUR over Superior craftsmanship of perfect rifle made by our leader!"
It's still weird to see Western characters or even English on stuff like this. I was looking at the 100 series on Kalashnikov's website the other day, and the side says nice and big in English "made in Russia'
I guess they export them and English is relatively common in a good chunk of the world, but it still seems somewhat out of place.
I love how the North Korean national sign is almost a pentagram... makes you wonder about them... 😂
Evil western propaganda. It is like cute starfish, like in Spongebob, our glorious leader's favorite show.
Those first two characters on the s/n are Korean characters. An R/L and an N
"The only AK that will ever jam"
AK 47 are shit, the ak74 is much better
That's amd-63
99% of the time the AK that's considered to never jam or anything is the AK-M or AK-74
@JGD when u get that black market ak that has been in 3 wars killed hundreds of people been dropped thousands of times and only cost 200 bucks
This is the gun gloriously leader kim chi un empty entire clip and sprayed all bulleyes. The bullets also reloaded themself in new brass then reloaded into the ak57.
"The name is Kim Jong and I got the license to ill".....
My favorite Kim Jung IL joke was on the day he died.
A comedian newscaster was doing his fake newscast that showed a picture of Kim Jung IL to which he said:
"Kim Jung IL?
No, Kim Jung dead"...
Can’t wait for the auction
think I'm going to have to come back to this video every now and then, the humour is truely Seoul-less...
I'll see myself out.
the auction link is nice, but I prefer to get my North Korean AK's the old school way, from a crate in a dimly lit harbour warehouse from a guy called Ivan.
Ivan is currently in Newark, he wants you to give him a call.
Thanks gun Jesus.
Could you frankenstein-mash a bunch of AK's from different countries and still have it function? Obviously they have the "same" parts but is there variation between parts?
It's interesting then that Americans, by all accounts, liked to self-arm with AK-47s, including Type 58s, in Vietnam, when they had guns designed 15 years later, in a first world country, rather than in Stalin era USSR or 50s DPRK.
I would be willing to buy it for a million dollars but I aint got 50 bucks
50000 ? well my encyclopedia says it's more like 800000 pieces that were produced by the Jyn Chul arsenal, that seems logical since the north korean use it for their military even to this day. The type 68 (AKM) seems even more rare in their military
I love this channel, I find it super relaxing, no offense but it reminds me of the show on pbs where the guy paints landscapes, anyway thanks
Bob Ross?
Why so many Captains Obvious about Ian's casual reference to Western Numerals? Last I checked, India and the Middle East are both west of the DPRK. And all Western countries use those numerals. I am frankly surprised that the North Koreans used them, rather than their own Korean numbers, given their belligerence and hostility to almost anything outside their perverted version of the Hermit Kingdom.
well the real name is democratic peoples republic of Korea or DPRK.
shit i just saw what i said below my comment nvm
Three lies in four words!
But they do not. The only vote is held by Kim Jong Un!
Even the 4th word is only half truth
I know what you mean, and you are formally right. If I didn't sit here trying to avoid important work I would leave you without chipping in a argument:
That is the name they gave themselves. Some countries are not called internationally what they call themselves. Also, when DPRK Korea calls themselves that, it is because they claim that they are Korea, and that there is no south Korea, but a occupied part of their territory. So In a way, DPRK Korea are wrong about themselves. They are in fact North Korea.
That looks like a giant .22 short behind you on the shelf
Very cool! Would love to know what it ends up selling for.
stand by. there will be a summary after the auction.
Well...I am sorry to point it out Ian but the 'L' character on the serial number seems to be a Korean alphabet known as 'ㄴ', shown in 5:07. The two markings on the receiver stand for '련발' - Korean for full auto, and '단발' - semi auto, respectively. I - even a South Korean - have never come across a North Korean AK, most likely because if they were even captured, they would have been sent to military training centers or de-milled and put in museums. Thank you for showcasing this very rare gem!Jack the Gun/History nut.
Kim Jong Un called, he asked if he can eat it.
Prince Deus the Vult that was a terrible joke
Jeep Ford Guy just like his rule
50k USD? Holy shit.
Little known fact: The "58" actually stands for the the era North Korea has been perpetually time locked in for the last half a century.
#TheMoreYouKnow :)
the reason why guerrilla forces love to use the Ak-47 is because they are easy to use, reliable and has very effective shooting
so, how did this gun come to the US ?
Great video like always
Vietnam bring back.
Whoever brought this to the us was a fortunate one
get it?
HockeyCrab No, but I'll give ya a like anyway.
fortunate son**
Ian probably got it from a NK soldier in exchange for a bag of chips and a soda.
You can get an AK in Africa for couple of chickens
Holy fuck that thing is crudly made! And I thought the K98 was crude. Norwegian Krag rifles (Except the stomperud) now that is a finely made milsurp. This gun is one ugly beast. (Not saying this is a bad thing)
2ㄴ 7952 ㅁ is in English 2B, 7952 Wh which is probably (from a guess) second year of production, second month (February) serial # 7952 and Wh is probably the plant it was produced at. This is just my best guess along with my South Korean friend who translated the chactacters for me.
2B, 7952 Wh, which*
No, the "ㄹㄴ7952" is actually "RN7952" transliterated into Latin characters.
North Korean banknotes use similar Hangul prefixes for their serial numbers and series, so it's similar to German letter suffixes on their serial numbers for every 10000th unit.
If they were designating month then they would have probably used something like "2월" - February.
Source: am Korean.
Is that ak full auto?
Yes.
Этот автомат сделан лучше, чем современные Ак-12 15,18 и прочий мусор придуманный после Михаил Тимофеевича
“The North Koreans didn’t make that many of them”
They just didn’t have enough metal
Ethiopian AKs are copies of Korean ones
Did ian ever shot this rifle? forgotten weapons please do a video shooting this north Korean ak
He made a video of him shooting a Chinese Type 56 you can watch instead. It's not going to look any different, I can promise you.
Thanks for the tip!🤗
made of steel, wood and an opression finish for the barrep
Yeah the serial number is Korean, "2ㄴ7952 ㅁ"
In English it's "2N7952 M".
Next, 레" and "대" which is sort of like "lay"and "dyay". No idea what that means, the Pyongyang dialect it's different from the seoul version i know
What is F.G reviewing? There is nothing but the biggest and longest turd ever
Arabic numerals, not western.
The west used Roman numerals.
West arabic numerals actually, east arabic numerals look quite different
Those aren't Western, Arabic or even Roman numerals. The serial number is using Korean characters, ㅁ or ㅍ. Which would be M and P respectively.. Why the FUCK would you think north Koreans would want to use English, Roman, or anything other than Korean?
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juche
Wherever they came from, the numbering system is called Arabic numerals and the judaeo Christian world (the west) used Roman numerals.
Labels are just labels.
RonJohn63 I thought he meant the "ㅍ" that looks like a roman numeral, not the digits.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_numerals
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Korean_vocabulary
It isn't 2L on left side of reciver
its 'ㄹㄴ ' in Kor (btw idk what 'ㄹㄴ' stands for in type 58 rifle)
For the selector it is 려+ㄴ and 다+ㄴ which r from 련(연)발 (meaning Auto in Kor) and 단발 (meaning semi-auto in Kor)
Ian - I have read in my World Encyclopedia of Firearms that for some reason when DPRK switched from AK to AKM they didn't bother with the rate reducer/anti-bolt bounce mechanism. I assume this one lacks that because it's essentially AK-47 design rather than AKM but I have noted numerous instances in the Encyclopedia where the information is erroneous. I know this is a small detail, but I am curious...what say you? Do you have any information about this technical/mechanical omission on DPRK's part during the AK/M transition or even confirmation that the claim is true? If it is true can you speculate as to why they would've not bothered with it. They parts themselves seem like they'd be rather cheap to produce en masse and couldn't possibly add much complication to assembly. Were they pinching pennies (yuan?) that tightly? Much appreciation and respect.
now that would be a cool gun to own
Adopted in 1947? Wasn't it in 1949?
Cuz, AFAIK, the 1947 version was kinda "adopted but not too much" - they were produced in some numbers but still considered trial guns. And the design underwent improvements throughout 1948 until they finally adopted it in 1949.
I rarely if ever hear anyone from older generations calling it AK 47, its just AK for us.
And also, milled receivers came in early 50s.
dude we play with these guns like every tuesday at school in vietnam
It's like if the Khyber Pass had high-quality machining capabilities
It would be awesome to see the pp-19 type mag that they use on their parades! Not really sure how you would get one of those though :D
The rifles themselves are specially modified to take those magazines, too.
The tactical Pringle can
Kim dissliked this video because now he knows his guns are not unicorn powered lol haha
Korea also made milled receiver RPK's, from around 1964 to 1975.
Do you find it ironic that you host a channel called forgotten weapons where the highest viewed videos are weapons very much not forgotten?
I suppose everyone just wants to see what they know.
Or Battlefield brought them here
Can you do a review of indian INSAS rifle or any of the other guns produced in India under license, like the FN FAL or AKs.
I have seen your 303 episode and also I am following the lightning project. Love your content
Wasn't the AK adopted by the Soviets in 1959? Or was it adopted in small numbers until it became the official service rifle?
*1949
the AKM was adopted in 1959; the AK-47 was adopted in 1949, and by 1956 it fully replaced the SKS as the Frontline soviet service rifle, and started to be exported (most notably to China in 1956).
47 is the year when the rifle trials were finally started on the approved version.