I like to think that Doom just switches body's with Reed sometimes to just do petty shit, like moving stuff around his lab or say dumb things during interviews.
Oh, that is such cannon fodder. No only destroying Reeds science cred, but making him look unhinged when he spends weeks in the lab looking for his whatchamagigger. You know, the thingamabob that was right next to the doohickey. Then Sue enters with a pregnancy test. Sue: Reed, we have to talk. Reed: Not now, Susan. I, uh, left a Spanner in the Negative Zone. And you know how Annihlius gets about litter! (goes to Negative Zone) CURSE YOU DOOOOOMMMMMM!!!!! Revenge complete.
The great dichotomy between the FF and Doom is just how easily Reed could have BEEN Doom. Without Ben's realism to ground him, without Sue's love to keep him looking on the human side, without Johnny there to lighten him up and getting him to unclench every once in a while. Doom is just as smart and as capable as Reed but he has no first family, no one to look after him and the only people he's ever had to that description he's sacrificed for the sake of power and arrogance. There are multiple universes where Doom becomes a hero because he has the support he so desperately needs to become a better man, and even more universes where Reed becomes more like Doom during his accident but remains a hero because of the Four still being able to support him and hold him steady. One need only look at the Ultimate Universe to see just what a Reed without the Four behind him is capable of.
Personally I like the previous issue where The Fantasic Four get evicted from their apartment because Reed lost all their money buying bad stock, and Namor used buried treasure to buy a movie studio so he could hire them to play in a movie about themselves, which was really a trap to kill three of them and marry one.
And when Johnny was trying to impress an actress with his ordeal she was like "Yeah dude, have you ever worked at Miramax? That sounds a thousand times better."
I love that Doom took the body of the member with arguably the weakest powers either because his rivalry with Reed was more important than success or because he believed Mr Unobservant would somehow be the biggest threat to his infiltration plans.
Weakest powers? While they've made a big deal about how Sue (who used to have that label) is probably actually the MOST powerful, *none* of the FF are really "weak". Reed's power is usually underestimated because he does more with his mind than his body, but there's a reason Batman thinks Plastic Man is potentially THE most dangerous member of the JLA! One Piece fans know what I'm talking about...Imagine if Reed applied his knowledge of Science to Combat, and started pulling off the kind of moves that Luffy is known for!
@@HandofOmega a) I said arguably b) His competition for weakest powers is the Thing, Johnny has crazy destructive potential & Sue (as you said) is probably the most powerful.
@@justanotherglorpsdaymornin5097 I remember an issue of Wizard that ranked The Most POwerful Superhero Teams, and the FF ranked surprisingly high, in the Top Five; it was pointed out that each one is ridicoulously powerful and the main thing holding them back was that they were the smallest team and would be overwhelmed by sheer numbers! I think the Legion of Super Heroes ranked higher; as the name implies, they have far more members than any other team, many of whom are also incredibly powerful (and they have the best tech). For the curious, the top spot was taken by The Authority, who were really popular at the time. Anybody remember them? The Authority? Anybody? Anybody? Well, maybe Sasha will make a video about them one day...
My favorite part of the episode is that Reed managed to take control of Doom's castle while possessing Doom's body because he (rightly) guessed that Doom programmed all the Doombots to fear him, and Reed manipulates that fear expertly.
What gave me a chuckle from the "Doom"/Sue marriage is the reaction shots of all the characters who have a personal history with the parties, or at least some kind of stake of the geopolitics of the MU, but it's also like, "What does GAMBIT think of all this?"
@@CasuallyComics For those of us that think in Pigeon French, at least. Not sure what that would be, but most likely translates to something not meant for the bashful!
I thought you were going to talk about Terror in Tinytown, where he shrunk the FF and made them believe they were ordinary people, and stuck around to berate Reed as his overbearing boss. His pettiest moment in my opinion.
I see that moment and raise Doom's stiffing Power Man for $200...which he would come to regret, as Luke Cage storms Latveria like a pimp looking for his "money, honey"!
Excellent story 236 I believe; although, It's been a few years since I've read it (So, I wouldn't be surprised if I got the wrong issue). I liked how Marvel continued the story of what happened to Doom in an issue of The Micronauts (Can't recall which one). I wasn't a fan of the art (I preferred Micheal Golden's art in issues 1-11) but it was interesting how they tied it in to the FF story by John Byrne.
17:17 "Who got that engagement shot? I hope it was Peter." You can see that shot, and the entire engagement photoshoot in Peter Parker's new book Webs II
"Would Reed sign off on this?" Reed Richards would be so distracted by building a transdimensional doorway or unstable molecule underoos or whatever he'd sign off anything you handed him. (This is why Ben should have handled all if the Four's business interests.)
I have to say my favorite body swap episode of a superhero TV show was when Lex Luthor swapped bodies with the Flash and had no idea who he was. Wally's (not Barry's my mistake) adventures as Lex Luthor we're also super hilarious.
I already mentioned my super love of the series prior ("You made fun of Hulk's Mama!" and Johnny screaming while She-Hulk was transforming), if I wanted good F4 content in screen, this was it (I also watch A LOT of Canadian TV, so this cast was a who's who of on screen and Canadian vo). I honestly didn't know this was a adaptation until years later, now in hindsight, it makes a lot of sense, it's such a early comic booky thing to do. Favorite petty moment from Doom? Valeria Richards's name... Doom is a Giga-Chad for that.
@@DIEGhostfish Actually, Valeria Von Doom, Franklin making her being born again twice influencing Roma... and how the first "alternative" version should’ve been the definitive. Poor Valeria, Doom lost love... It was Waid wanting to make Doom like Hannibal Lecter, when Doom is the original Lecter (as much as I love Hannibal).
Looking back, it's very funny to see them advertising "Reed Richards... is a villain????" like it's a shocking twist 1) when we've had some variety of evil Reed kicking about for the last 20ish years and 2) he was kind of an asshole to begin with anyway
I loved that early '60s Fantastic Four story because I thought it was so hilarious how much fun Doom was having when he was impersonating Reed. He was having so much fun that he couldn't resist keeping up the deception a little longer just so he could toy with the heroes a little more. It was very entertaining, and that episode of the animated series adapted the story nicely.
I always liked the idea of the fantastic four growing up. I watched the old 60's and 70's cartoons, and read the comics. Their powers were cool and they fought monsters, so being a little boy I loved that. However I found the characters either whiney, annoying, or borring. This cartoon actually made them likeable, and easier to relate to. Even Reed, sure he was always in his own head.... but you could see he wasn't arrogant about it. He was just distracted by the thousand thoughts he had going on. It made him endearing. He was more absent minded professor than overbearing jerk that he always kind of came across as. To me at least, I don't know if I am the only one who felt that way. Plus I just love that there was a scene of Ben juggling kids. I just found that funny.
Stop saying this man saved countless lives he's saved the world more than hero he's the greatest most effective hero to exist. Man tortures himself about curing his friend everyday.
I quite liked that cartoon. It is pretty underrated. I loved its take on Doom. Also I loved that they got Dan Slott to write the She-Hulk episode since he was the current writer of the comic at that time.
Doom first conceived of body swapping due to his shock at the rising prices at the Latverian Sizzler's All One Might Care To Consume buffet . Thirty slozniks seemed high to Doom . He's NO ONE'S FOOL after after all . So in addiction to his eight dimensional dinner plates Doom developed the ability to consume that mountain of turnips , radishes and pickled beets using the bellies of various easily mind controlled dupes . Doom savored the flavor and those fools "enjoyed" the bloating , gas and mysterious weight gain . Doom remains svelte , slender yet PERFECTLY BUFF and Doom's financial prowess is the envy of lesser , hungrier restaurant goers .
When Doom was supposedly killed in FF 260 by Terrax and had to swap minds with a regular guy who witnessed the battle in a crowd.Aunt May was also there.Just imagine if Doom swapped minds with her instead.
I had a collection of old Fantastic Four comics as a kid, including this one, and what Doom says about the dinosaurs and brain size has always hurt *my* brain. Also the image of Doom laughing in Reed's body haunts me. Why does it look like that!?
Feel the pain of Transformers fans, when Wheeljack reveals that the reason he built the (metal skinned, fire breathing) Dinobots to be so stupid was that historical dinosaurs had tiny brains!
I feel like writing Reed is a careful balancing act: he's always been meant to be a flawed and arrogant person with nonetheless a fundamental goodness in him, but how that shows varies wildly--half the time he's just a bit absent-minded yet still a loving father and husband, and half the time he's a dismissive jerk and a control freak (not helped by retcon upon retcon making questions as to whether or not he was evil all along). For me, definitive Reed is either by Mark Waid or Jonathan Hickman, where both runs have him taking important self-reflections that allow him to grow as a person. Which are then subsequently ignored because Civil War needed him to act like more of an asshole than usual and no one will ever forget that.
I was always really fond of this series because this was the only time that I felt like they did Sue Richards justice. There are so many episodes where they show why she is the strongest member of the team. I think this may be the only adaptation that really did her right.
Avengers EMH did her right by having the Skrulls take her out first. I think they even explicitly SAY they picked Sue because she was the most powerful and also the most likely to figure them out. And she's drugged out for most of Cap's escape specifically BECAUSE the Skrulls are scared of her, and when she wakes up...
@@DIEGhostfish Loved the episode of EMH when Doom knew Sue was replaced by a Skrull. But I have to wonder how Reed didn't notice if they were dating at the time. Either he's super distracted or he doesn't realize he's dating a Skrull xD
Please talk about the episode of the Fantastic Four where Magneto bitches about traffic and has an existential crisis when Reed tricks him with a wooden gun.
I remember the makers of Twisted Toyfare Theater, which uses exaggerated personalities for Marvel and DC heroes (their Spidey has to be seen to be believed!) once noted that they realized the funniest way they could portray Doom...was to play him completely straight. In context, he's just a naturally funny character, without even meaning to be...
I have a real soft spot in my heart for Doom levels of melodrama. But one has to wonder; who is the biggest Diva? Doom definitely has his moments, but so do Thanos and Apocalypse.
Good question. Doom is definitely the most performative - he'll go out of his way to draw attention to himself. It's well earned though, as he is historically the biggest threat/hope of the omni-verse (debatable in comics, I know :-) ) However, props to Apocalypse for being so extra just for the hell of it. It's not as earned as Doom (on a cosmic scale - for those he's up against it's earned)- but is also doesn't get in his way as much. His constant "tests" mean his diva nature is intended/indulged where as its a weakness/oversight for Doom's nature. Thanos I don't care for anyways - he's just strong. His threats are earned, but they're also not as performative as Doom/Apocalypse. Put Doom/Apocalypse in that position and they'd outperform (or be expected to) in the grandstanding. Thanos's lines just carry weight because he's the narrative tool - it's not as tied to his character. Apocalypse performs it perfectly, Doom lives and defines it :-D
The “Is Spider-Man Involved?” caption made me laugh so hard that the hot tea that was in my mouth is now all over my rug. Ps. Am I the only one who remembers that Doom was the apprentice of The Marquis of Death? Because Marvel never bring it up, even though there’s a lot of stories that can come from there.
Yeah, I remember that, but was wondering if it's still even canon...Since Doom in that storyline had been said to have been time traveling extensively, I always wondered if that was set after Doom 2099...
@@camerondodge2070 I doubt it. Comic characters tend to be "plastic", that is, they revert to their "classic" forms after a writer does something Creative with them. The Doom in that story was a VAST departure from the way he's been portrayed before and after, so it's unlikely any other creators want to deal with that. Unless it's been actively retconned, it will remain a bit of continuity referred to in wikis, but will likely never appear in a story ever again...
Realy loved all the Reed x Sue moments in this show, in my opinion this was the best portrayal of the two, I am incredibly nostalgic for this tv series, I used to watch it on Cartoon Network as a child, now I want to re-watch it. So, thank you
Man hasn't have to do anything, Reed is straight up more villainous than any other villain 🤣 Or he's just too asshole-ish to be with sue, till she divorces and go to either doom and get married and have kids Go to namor, marry him and have kids or go to black panther
My favorite petty Doom moment is from the 20th anniversary issue from 1981, written and sumptuously drawn by John Byrne. Here they play with the miniaturisation theme again, as we have the four seemingly back where they started in 1961 pre-powers and Reed constantly befuddled and tormented by Victor. It's all in a miniature town which the four are connected to courtesy of the Puppet Master and Doom! So he could kill them but no! Doom must torment Reed! ....until Reed figures it out and gives their miniature selves powers and they defeat him and *he* is stuck in the miniature town. Hands down one of my favorite FF stories and has Doom in full petty vengeance mode.
Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes is AMAZING! Sure, it's somewhat juvenile with it's humor- more than other shows in the proposed "Yostiverse" - but it's still REALLY good. My favorite adaptation of the FF. Especially the voice acting! The voice cast is AMAZING. Any time I show the show to a friend I get the same first reaction: "I love Mr Fantastic's voice"
I remember when Sue gave me a Spicy Fan photo of her for the holidays. It was a blank photo but it had the FF logo on it, so I guess....Thank You? ❤ -T'Challa
Hmm, he could actually have the tech to develop the photo and see what's not there, so careful, Sue! Now I'm wondering if Sue has been secretly photobombing most of the MU and no one knows about it...
I loved the Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes plot where they switched bodies. As a kid, I hadn't ready any comics or seen any body swaps between the characters before, so I thought this was leading to a major storyline that would've continued in the show. I loved that show so much.
Bruhhh, the show was my childhood too on cartoon network, in 2005 😭 Good times Edit: in 2006, getting years wrong, because it's been that long, but early cartoon network days were awesome, especially watching fantastic four cartoon
I LOVE the aughts FF show. So slick, so well constructed. And looking back at it now, so consistent with the zeitgeist of the FF. This helped me -get- the FF. And to this day, these are the voices I hear when I read an FF book. Now there were times I felt weird like I was jumping in at the middle of the story. But now I see, there were broadcasting shenanigans that essential made me do that. Thanks for the context, Sasha.
I am actually watching this series currently at the time of recording and love it. Just watched the Mole Man episode yesterday. Another solid adaptation of a goofy early F4 story
FF 2006 was the best representation👍I wondered why it never got much notice but then I'm thinking because the FF has always been "C" listed so when it was finally done right no one believed it 🤔
It astonishes me that more people don't seem to notice how bonkers it is that Reed and Sue let their youngest child hang out with a sociopathic mass murderer. I mean, the dude brutalizes their little boy while wearing the skin of a woman he flayed alive, and they still go to his wedding. Water under the bridge, right? Let's say hi to "Uncle Victor". That must've been one Hell of a college bromance for Reed to still think fondly of the guy after decades of war crimes and assassination attempts.
I really liked Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes...outside of Johnny's voice. Brian Dobson is my favorite Thing voice, though I think the '94 series had the overall best cast in terms of the core four. I really liked its art style (again outside of Martin Mystery Johnny) and I think that it did a good job of making Sue's character work and give her more of a set role on the team since her and Reed aren't explicitly an item or have gone out yet unlike the comics and other adaptations.
I have a memory of this show, a scene during a gala/party after the battle of the episode was done and the fantastic 4 were atending/hosting and its a stablishing shot of Johnny on stage performing a rap remix version of the infamous "flame on song" he also performed in an older series, only for a few seconds before the shot pans off to Sue & Reed talking 😳 I swear it happend!
THANK YOU!!! you mentioned my favorite cartoon... yeah I wasn't crazy about animation but the stories were pretty great. Also I think some of the writers were the guys that did hulk vs movies which are pretty great! My favorite episode is when Johnny and Ben stick namor in a tank and Johnny goes...here fishy fishy fishy...Ben says do you like pebbles or flakes? LMAO
Thank you for shedding light on this HIGHLY underrated FF show! It was one of my favorite iterations of the team. So many great episodes. Especially the ones with guest appearances from She-Hulk and Ant- Man.
Wait wait wait. The show only had 26 episodes? Wow it did not feel that way growing up, laughing out loud. Also funnily enough i think the body swap episode was the last episode i watched as a kid (airing schedules were weird), so in my memory the show ended with Doom humiliated at the end of his, arguably, best plan which made it feel special to me compared to, say, the mole people or Nihilus plot
Thank you Sasha, the ever-studying (in a Casual way), your passion is duly noted, and the Invisible Woman wig and eye shadow are AWESOME. I would have to say that when the Submariner returns is one of the best early FF stories. Namor sending a hoard of deep sea monsters to punish New York would be EPIC to capture in a modern sense. Superior review and I am sorry I missed this particular cartoon series, looks like it was pretty good. (may have to look it up) PEACE dear Sister and God bless.
Something I like about your videos about Silver Age comics is how it can really highlight the interplay between creativity and productivity/deadlines. So many monthly comics (then and now) will feel rushed, or like non-final drafts, yet they still manage to speak to things in interesting ways. It's what makes subsequent adaptations cool (when done well), since it allows the story to be refined, even if it isn't in the same way that the original creators might have refined it in the original medium.
I’m glad to see you mention the FF cartoon, “World’s Greatest Heroes.” I appreciate the faithful adaptation and attention to detail (look for Ben’s custom toilet, complete with grinder cylinders).
Omg I need to know what issue it is where Doom swaps bodies with Daredevil, it sounds amazing from the premise alone. Unrelated I have the 60s omnibus run on Daredevil and as you noted it is fascinating to see in the early comics where the characters are. In Daredevil at least it takes a long time before Foggy gets any personality traits above best friend and low key jealous.
Worth noting that the Chris Claremont storyline alluded to is the first appearance of Valeria! Sorta...This Valeria is a teen aged time traveler who came back from a future where she is the daughter of Sue and Doom (hinted to be a Reed who never escaped Doom's body, but she doesn't know that). The Valeria we know is Waid retconning Byrne's famous "miscarriage" storyline...I can't imagine Byrne is happy about that, and as much as I do like Val, I have misgivings about that as well.
I love the animated FF series, I still have them on DVD; it along with ultimate avengers and next avengers heroes of tomorrow we're my introduction to marvel not the MCU. And ever since then have held a special place in my heart.
that show is easily my favorite version of the F4, the costumes and episodes based on old comics made it really awesome. glad to hear it getting some attention! :D
I remember seeing ads for this show in magazines back in the day and was always interested in watching it but could never find it back then. Thanks for reminding me it existed. I'm gonna go binge it on Disney+ since it looks like it's on there.
I actually love this FF series and have rewatched it a couple of times since it came to Disney+. I enjoy the art style, the characterizations (especially Ben), and the way that it began to bring in pieces of the larger Marvel Universe. It's too bad that it didn't get to have the same longevity as some other Marvel series.
Oh, boy I have some nice memories from that show. It was funny as hell. Preparing for a mission: Reed: Johnny, I want you to... Johnny: (to Sue and Ben) Haha! He picked me first, losers! Underground cave: Reed: Oh, I have the perfect thing. It's and halogen lantern that... Johnny: (lights up his hand). OK, let's go. Reed: But my lantern. It's made for... Ben: Don't worry. We'll use your lamp another time, buddy. Johnny is super charged, emiting more heat than usual. Flies close to the ground, melting the tires of a car. The couple inside: Woman: I love you Johnny!! Man: Gee. Thanks a lot, Torch.
I am glad to see the 2000s Fantastic Four cartoon get some praise. It was well done and I suggest a binge on Disney+ to everyone. This was a great episode to highlight how that animated series updated original stories. Nice job pointing out the connections and updates. I enjoyed the 1990s Fantastic Four series because it is great to see the comics come to life. Very true to the original except for the Galactus story, which switched out characters. If you are taking suggestions, an episode on the fantastic four cartoons (yes even the Herbie one, but feel free to shred it) would be fun.
I love early FF I got into FF like 6 years ago and it’s been so much fun it’s become my favorite comic series! I love the issue where Sue gets her force field powers and that hilarious opening page with her posing with that weird machine on her head. She’s right it would make the kookiest hard haha. Also Namor pretending to be a movie director is priceless! 😂
I love that you brought attention to that FF animated series 😍 It's highly underrated as an adaptation of the FF. I recommend anyone with a Disney Plus to watch it.
Marvel was into shrinking things. One of my all time favorite Hulk adventures (circa 1972) was where he gets shrunk down to insect size and has adventures in a garden for awhile. It was written by great science fiction writer, Harlan Ellison.
I'm a fan of every Fantastic Four series that doesn't have a Humanoid Experimental Robot B-type Integrated Electronics. As always thank you so very much for the video.
Obviously the best petty Doom brain swapping, was when Johnny storm was the bouncer at an avengers party and was swapped with Dr. doom just so that way doom could go to the party when Johnny answered the door! Dr. Doom "Eat your heart out Maleficent! DOOM gets into all the parties, even when he's not invited! Always welcome!"
@@camerondodge2070 Sadly no because I found that out through death battle! The clip is shown from, most likely an avengers issue though because we do get to see a couple of the party guests. The episode of that battle is Dr. doom versus Lex Luther!
I love both the 90’s and this FF series as I grew up with them and it’s funny how ridiculous some of the original Lee/Kirby run was lol. Love the Fantastic Four
I like to think that Doom just switches body's with Reed sometimes to just do petty shit, like moving stuff around his lab or say dumb things during interviews.
Oh, that is such cannon fodder. No only destroying Reeds science cred, but making him look unhinged when he spends weeks in the lab looking for his whatchamagigger. You know, the thingamabob that was right next to the doohickey.
Then Sue enters with a pregnancy test.
Sue: Reed, we have to talk.
Reed: Not now, Susan. I, uh, left a Spanner in the Negative Zone. And you know how Annihlius gets about litter!
(goes to Negative Zone)
CURSE YOU DOOOOOMMMMMM!!!!!
Revenge complete.
This is long-term gold! Plus with short jaunts, Richard won’t have enough time to escape and figure out how he’s doing it, increasing his frustration.
Or to make out with sue!!
I could totally see Doom stealing Reeds body while he's asleep and Reed waking up in a gay bar or something.
The great dichotomy between the FF and Doom is just how easily Reed could have BEEN Doom. Without Ben's realism to ground him, without Sue's love to keep him looking on the human side, without Johnny there to lighten him up and getting him to unclench every once in a while. Doom is just as smart and as capable as Reed but he has no first family, no one to look after him and the only people he's ever had to that description he's sacrificed for the sake of power and arrogance. There are multiple universes where Doom becomes a hero because he has the support he so desperately needs to become a better man, and even more universes where Reed becomes more like Doom during his accident but remains a hero because of the Four still being able to support him and hold him steady. One need only look at the Ultimate Universe to see just what a Reed without the Four behind him is capable of.
Very accurate take. Doom is tragic, in that only thing he truly desires is to be honestly loved.
Eh, doom was pretty bad before he put on the mask.
Personally I like the previous issue where The Fantasic Four get evicted from their apartment because Reed lost all their money buying bad stock, and Namor used buried treasure to buy a movie studio so he could hire them to play in a movie about themselves, which was really a trap to kill three of them and marry one.
well, Ben Grimm is quite the husband material
Exactly the story I was going to mention! Hilarious stuff.
And when Johnny was trying to impress an actress with his ordeal she was like "Yeah dude, have you ever worked at Miramax? That sounds a thousand times better."
Namor wanted to get clovered
I love that Doom took the body of the member with arguably the weakest powers either because his rivalry with Reed was more important than success or because he believed Mr Unobservant would somehow be the biggest threat to his infiltration plans.
But reeds practically immortal..
Doom understands Reed is his greatest threat because Reed is as smart as he is. The other members of the 4 are minor obstacles in comparison.
Weakest powers? While they've made a big deal about how Sue (who used to have that label) is probably actually the MOST powerful, *none* of the FF are really "weak". Reed's power is usually underestimated because he does more with his mind than his body, but there's a reason Batman thinks Plastic Man is potentially THE most dangerous member of the JLA! One Piece fans know what I'm talking about...Imagine if Reed applied his knowledge of Science to Combat, and started pulling off the kind of moves that Luffy is known for!
@@HandofOmega a) I said arguably b) His competition for weakest powers is the Thing, Johnny has crazy destructive potential & Sue (as you said) is probably the most powerful.
@@justanotherglorpsdaymornin5097 I remember an issue of Wizard that ranked The Most POwerful Superhero Teams, and the FF ranked surprisingly high, in the Top Five; it was pointed out that each one is ridicoulously powerful and the main thing holding them back was that they were the smallest team and would be overwhelmed by sheer numbers!
I think the Legion of Super Heroes ranked higher; as the name implies, they have far more members than any other team, many of whom are also incredibly powerful (and they have the best tech).
For the curious, the top spot was taken by The Authority, who were really popular at the time. Anybody remember them? The Authority? Anybody? Anybody? Well, maybe Sasha will make a video about them one day...
Doom Reed’s combination name is Room and that brings me joy.
My favorite part of the episode is that Reed managed to take control of Doom's castle while possessing Doom's body because he (rightly) guessed that Doom programmed all the Doombots to fear him, and Reed manipulates that fear expertly.
What gave me a chuckle from the "Doom"/Sue marriage is the reaction shots of all the characters who have a personal history with the parties, or at least some kind of stake of the geopolitics of the MU, but it's also like, "What does GAMBIT think of all this?"
We all need to be kept abreast as to what Gambit is thinking!
@@CasuallyComics For those of us that think in Pigeon French, at least. Not sure what that would be, but most likely translates to something not meant for the bashful!
Gambit is a romantic type, so why not get his take?
Gambit was always a favorite for me; I MUST know his opinion!
I immediately went to Miles Stokes as Sexy Gambit "Gambit t'inks dese two got chemistry, an' not just dem beakers Doom always playin' wit"
I thought you were going to talk about Terror in Tinytown, where he shrunk the FF and made them believe they were ordinary people, and stuck around to berate Reed as his overbearing boss. His pettiest moment in my opinion.
That story is great!
I see that moment and raise Doom's stiffing Power Man for $200...which he would come to regret, as Luke Cage storms Latveria like a pimp looking for his "money, honey"!
@@HandofOmega was that petty or just cheap?
Hah! I just posted that as MY favorite moment too. It's also the 20th anniversary issue which I have an original of!
Excellent story
236 I believe; although, It's been a few years since I've read it (So, I wouldn't be surprised if I got the wrong issue).
I liked how Marvel continued the story of what happened to Doom in an issue of The Micronauts (Can't recall which one).
I wasn't a fan of the art (I preferred Micheal Golden's art in issues 1-11) but it was interesting how they tied it in to the FF story by John Byrne.
17:17 "Who got that engagement shot? I hope it was Peter."
You can see that shot, and the entire engagement photoshoot in Peter Parker's new book Webs II
I guess you can say this fantastic trope it’s a fun way to easily switch things
Boom!
"Would Reed sign off on this?"
Reed Richards would be so distracted by building a transdimensional doorway or unstable molecule underoos or whatever he'd sign off anything you handed him.
(This is why Ben should have handled all if the Four's business interests.)
Or sue
I have to say my favorite body swap episode of a superhero TV show was when Lex Luthor swapped bodies with the Flash and had no idea who he was.
Wally's (not Barry's my mistake) adventures as Lex Luthor we're also super hilarious.
It’s actually Wally. But yea both bathroom scenes. In that episode were hilarious.
You mean Wally?
@@harlannguyen4048 yep, you are absolutely right. It is definitely Wally.
Classic 🖖🏾
I already mentioned my super love of the series prior ("You made fun of Hulk's Mama!" and Johnny screaming while She-Hulk was transforming), if I wanted good F4 content in screen, this was it (I also watch A LOT of Canadian TV, so this cast was a who's who of on screen and Canadian vo).
I honestly didn't know this was a adaptation until years later, now in hindsight, it makes a lot of sense, it's such a early comic booky thing to do.
Favorite petty moment from Doom? Valeria Richards's name... Doom is a Giga-Chad for that.
Not a fan of what Waid did with theboriginal though.
I'd love a Video on Doom and Valeria
@@OverthinkingConde The surrogate daughter or the one Waid made doom kill in a big stunt?
@@DIEGhostfish Actually, Valeria Von Doom, Franklin making her being born again twice influencing Roma... and how the first "alternative" version should’ve been the definitive. Poor Valeria, Doom lost love... It was Waid wanting to make Doom like Hannibal Lecter, when Doom is the original Lecter (as much as I love Hannibal).
@@OverthinkingConde He just had a very specific view on doom as exceptionally evil. I like both Valeria Richards and Valeria von Doom a lot.
Looking back, it's very funny to see them advertising "Reed Richards... is a villain????" like it's a shocking twist 1) when we've had some variety of evil Reed kicking about for the last 20ish years and 2) he was kind of an asshole to begin with anyway
He was a little Brusque, but only an asshole in Civil War.
Reed is one more lab accident away from super-villainy.
One assumes in the early 60's his brand of paternalist attitude was looked upon better. Now it just makes him look like a high-handed control freak.
@@morganrobinson8042 Eh, he still let the family do what they wanted. He would chide here and there but there were shenanagins aplenty.
*Sasha: **_"Also we're promised a gorgeous pin-up of the Invisible Girl. So I'm expecting the best looking blank page that I've ever seen."_*
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I loved that early '60s Fantastic Four story because I thought it was so hilarious how much fun Doom was having when he was impersonating Reed. He was having so much fun that he couldn't resist keeping up the deception a little longer just so he could toy with the heroes a little more. It was very entertaining, and that episode of the animated series adapted the story nicely.
World's Greatest Heroes was a bloody masterpiece. I still wish they followed through with the Peter/Spidey cameo
still hate reed and johnny hair
@@chidaluokoro9104 the seem comically accurate for reed
@@mangareader7474 Reed? No
It was loosely based on the movies, but this cartoon was the first time I ever liked the FF, even Reed. This was the best the FF ever were.
I always liked the idea of the fantastic four growing up. I watched the old 60's and 70's cartoons, and read the comics. Their powers were cool and they fought monsters, so being a little boy I loved that. However I found the characters either whiney, annoying, or borring. This cartoon actually made them likeable, and easier to relate to. Even Reed, sure he was always in his own head.... but you could see he wasn't arrogant about it. He was just distracted by the thousand thoughts he had going on. It made him endearing. He was more absent minded professor than overbearing jerk that he always kind of came across as. To me at least, I don't know if I am the only one who felt that way. Plus I just love that there was a scene of Ben juggling kids. I just found that funny.
"You can tell Reed is gonna be the vilain." Reed Richard is always the vilain. Even when he's the good guy.
Reed being a dick is my favourite thing about him
Not really, unbased take
but usually not by intent
@Oswald Cobblepot According to someone who's only FF exposure is Civil War.
Stop saying this man saved countless lives he's saved the world more than hero he's the greatest most effective hero to exist. Man tortures himself about curing his friend everyday.
I quite liked that cartoon. It is pretty underrated. I loved its take on Doom.
Also I loved that they got Dan Slott to write the She-Hulk episode since he was the current writer of the comic at that time.
Doom first conceived of body swapping due to his shock at the rising prices at the Latverian Sizzler's All One Might Care To Consume buffet . Thirty slozniks seemed high to Doom . He's NO ONE'S FOOL after after all . So in addiction to his eight dimensional dinner plates Doom developed the ability to consume that mountain of turnips , radishes and pickled beets using the bellies of various easily mind controlled dupes . Doom savored the flavor and those fools "enjoyed" the bloating , gas and mysterious weight gain . Doom remains svelte , slender yet PERFECTLY BUFF and Doom's financial prowess is the envy of lesser , hungrier restaurant goers .
WTF? 🤣LOLOLOLOLMFAO! The Fantastic Farts!
When Doom was supposedly killed in FF 260 by Terrax and had to swap minds with a regular guy who witnessed the battle in a crowd.Aunt May was also there.Just imagine if Doom swapped minds with her instead.
Oh my god that would have been amazing.
Aunt Doom, that sounds awesome!
I want that What If!!!
@@jpboursaw4469 Ditto
@@carloscrecelius9597 It's like the Golden Oldie all over again.
I had a collection of old Fantastic Four comics as a kid, including this one, and what Doom says about the dinosaurs and brain size has always hurt *my* brain.
Also the image of Doom laughing in Reed's body haunts me. Why does it look like that!?
Feel the pain of Transformers fans, when Wheeljack reveals that the reason he built the (metal skinned, fire breathing) Dinobots to be so stupid was that historical dinosaurs had tiny brains!
I feel like writing Reed is a careful balancing act: he's always been meant to be a flawed and arrogant person with nonetheless a fundamental goodness in him, but how that shows varies wildly--half the time he's just a bit absent-minded yet still a loving father and husband, and half the time he's a dismissive jerk and a control freak (not helped by retcon upon retcon making questions as to whether or not he was evil all along).
For me, definitive Reed is either by Mark Waid or Jonathan Hickman, where both runs have him taking important self-reflections that allow him to grow as a person. Which are then subsequently ignored because Civil War needed him to act like more of an asshole than usual and no one will ever forget that.
I was always really fond of this series because this was the only time that I felt like they did Sue Richards justice. There are so many episodes where they show why she is the strongest member of the team. I think this may be the only adaptation that really did her right.
Avengers EMH did her right by having the Skrulls take her out first. I think they even explicitly SAY they picked Sue because she was the most powerful and also the most likely to figure them out. And she's drugged out for most of Cap's escape specifically BECAUSE the Skrulls are scared of her, and when she wakes up...
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Loved the episode of EMH when Doom knew Sue was replaced by a Skrull. But I have to wonder how Reed didn't notice if they were dating at the time. Either he's super distracted or he doesn't realize he's dating a Skrull xD
Please talk about the episode of the Fantastic Four where Magneto bitches about traffic and has an existential crisis when Reed tricks him with a wooden gun.
The extreme Pettyness of Doom should be explored more. I do believe he is the one comic character more petty than golden age superman.
I remember the makers of Twisted Toyfare Theater, which uses exaggerated personalities for Marvel and DC heroes (their Spidey has to be seen to be believed!) once noted that they realized the funniest way they could portray Doom...was to play him completely straight. In context, he's just a naturally funny character, without even meaning to be...
Now I have Doom, Lois, and Jimmy stories in my head. DOOM SHALL MARRY LOIS LANE!
"Re-inbiggens them," the most awesomest word ever!!!
I have a real soft spot in my heart for Doom levels of melodrama.
But one has to wonder; who is the biggest Diva?
Doom definitely has his moments, but so do Thanos and Apocalypse.
Good question. Doom is definitely the most performative - he'll go out of his way to draw attention to himself. It's well earned though, as he is historically the biggest threat/hope of the omni-verse (debatable in comics, I know :-) )
However, props to Apocalypse for being so extra just for the hell of it. It's not as earned as Doom (on a cosmic scale - for those he's up against it's earned)- but is also doesn't get in his way as much. His constant "tests" mean his diva nature is intended/indulged where as its a weakness/oversight for Doom's nature.
Thanos I don't care for anyways - he's just strong. His threats are earned, but they're also not as performative as Doom/Apocalypse. Put Doom/Apocalypse in that position and they'd outperform (or be expected to) in the grandstanding. Thanos's lines just carry weight because he's the narrative tool - it's not as tied to his character.
Apocalypse performs it perfectly, Doom lives and defines it :-D
Doom talks about himself in the 3rd person. True diva.
The “Is Spider-Man Involved?” caption made me laugh so hard that the hot tea that was in my mouth is now all over my rug.
Ps. Am I the only one who remembers that Doom was the apprentice of The Marquis of Death? Because Marvel never bring it up, even though there’s a lot of stories that can come from there.
Yeah, I remember that, but was wondering if it's still even canon...Since Doom in that storyline had been said to have been time traveling extensively, I always wondered if that was set after Doom 2099...
My first issue of FF was the one with that reveal, and I've wondered ever since if they'll ever do anything with it.
@@camerondodge2070 I doubt it. Comic characters tend to be "plastic", that is, they revert to their "classic" forms after a writer does something Creative with them. The Doom in that story was a VAST departure from the way he's been portrayed before and after, so it's unlikely any other creators want to deal with that. Unless it's been actively retconned, it will remain a bit of continuity referred to in wikis, but will likely never appear in a story ever again...
@@HandofOmega It's canon. And it is set before Doom 2099.
Realy loved all the Reed x Sue moments in this show, in my opinion this was the best portrayal of the two, I am incredibly nostalgic for this tv series, I used to watch it on Cartoon Network as a child, now I want to re-watch it.
So, thank you
Is it strange that no matter what Doom does in Reeds body he can't do or be more SUS than Reed is already?
Man hasn't have to do anything, Reed is straight up more villainous than any other villain 🤣
Or he's just too asshole-ish to be with sue, till she divorces and go to either doom and get married and have kids
Go to namor, marry him and have kids or go to black panther
@Oswald Cobblepot uhhh, yeah lol
My favorite petty Doom moment is from the 20th anniversary issue from 1981, written and sumptuously drawn by John Byrne.
Here they play with the miniaturisation theme again, as we have the four seemingly back where they started in 1961 pre-powers and Reed constantly befuddled and tormented by Victor.
It's all in a miniature town which the four are connected to courtesy of the Puppet Master and Doom!
So he could kill them but no! Doom must torment Reed! ....until Reed figures it out and gives their miniature selves powers and they defeat him and *he* is stuck in the miniature town. Hands down one of my favorite FF stories and has Doom in full petty vengeance mode.
Terror In Tiny Town!
Doom Reed: Hey Sue, I love you. Screw science research. Let us make out tonight.
Sue: Por Que? Reed are you ok?
Doom Reed: Never been better!
I would love to see you cover the issue where Doom takes control of Sue’s body and cites her as the most powerful of the FF
Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes is AMAZING! Sure, it's somewhat juvenile with it's humor- more than other shows in the proposed "Yostiverse" - but it's still REALLY good. My favorite adaptation of the FF. Especially the voice acting! The voice cast is AMAZING. Any time I show the show to a friend I get the same first reaction: "I love Mr Fantastic's voice"
I remember when Sue gave me a Spicy Fan photo of her for the holidays. It was a blank photo but it had the FF logo on it, so I guess....Thank You? ❤
-T'Challa
Hmm, he could actually have the tech to develop the photo and see what's not there, so careful, Sue! Now I'm wondering if Sue has been secretly photobombing most of the MU and no one knows about it...
I loved the Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes plot where they switched bodies. As a kid, I hadn't ready any comics or seen any body swaps between the characters before, so I thought this was leading to a major storyline that would've continued in the show. I loved that show so much.
Bruhhh, the show was my childhood too on cartoon network, in 2005 😭
Good times
Edit: in 2006, getting years wrong, because it's been that long, but early cartoon network days were awesome, especially watching fantastic four cartoon
I LOVE the aughts FF show. So slick, so well constructed. And looking back at it now, so consistent with the zeitgeist of the FF. This helped me -get- the FF. And to this day, these are the voices I hear when I read an FF book. Now there were times I felt weird like I was jumping in at the middle of the story. But now I see, there were broadcasting shenanigans that essential made me do that. Thanks for the context, Sasha.
I am actually watching this series currently at the time of recording and love it. Just watched the Mole Man episode yesterday. Another solid adaptation of a goofy early F4 story
FF 2006 was the best representation👍I wondered why it never got much notice but then I'm thinking because the FF has always been "C" listed so when it was finally done right no one believed it 🤔
this show was the shiiiiiit when i was watching it. it seriously cemented the ff as one of my favorite things in comics.
I really hope the mcu makes justice to doom as villain, he’s been forgotten far too long
It astonishes me that more people don't seem to notice how bonkers it is that Reed and Sue let their youngest child hang out with a sociopathic mass murderer. I mean, the dude brutalizes their little boy while wearing the skin of a woman he flayed alive, and they still go to his wedding. Water under the bridge, right? Let's say hi to "Uncle Victor". That must've been one Hell of a college bromance for Reed to still think fondly of the guy after decades of war crimes and assassination attempts.
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I really liked Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes...outside of Johnny's voice. Brian Dobson is my favorite Thing voice, though I think the '94 series had the overall best cast in terms of the core four. I really liked its art style (again outside of Martin Mystery Johnny) and I think that it did a good job of making Sue's character work and give her more of a set role on the team since her and Reed aren't explicitly an item or have gone out yet unlike the comics and other adaptations.
I have added this Fantastic Four animated series to my Disney+ watchlist. Thank you.
I have a memory of this show, a scene during a gala/party after the battle of the episode was done and the fantastic 4 were atending/hosting and its a stablishing shot of Johnny on stage performing a rap remix version of the infamous "flame on song" he also performed in an older series, only for a few seconds before the shot pans off to Sue & Reed talking 😳 I swear it happend!
These videos are the reason I'm happily a long term supporter of this channel (Over 18 months). The content is always eclectic in the extreme.
Doomreed's laughing face is amazing. REEDPOG
THANK YOU!!! you mentioned my favorite cartoon... yeah I wasn't crazy about animation but the stories were pretty great. Also I think some of the writers were the guys that did hulk vs movies which are pretty great! My favorite episode is when Johnny and Ben stick namor in a tank and Johnny goes...here fishy fishy fishy...Ben says do you like pebbles or flakes? LMAO
Thank you for shedding light on this HIGHLY underrated FF show! It was one of my favorite iterations of the team. So many great episodes. Especially the ones with guest appearances from She-Hulk and Ant- Man.
So happy there are people who remember the animated series! I don't remember any specific episode enough to have a fave but I enjoyed the theme song.
That cartoon was part of my childhood!
Well, I was just introduced to two super hero cartoons I didn’t know about. I know what I’m going to be watching for the next week
Wait wait wait. The show only had 26 episodes? Wow it did not feel that way growing up, laughing out loud.
Also funnily enough i think the body swap episode was the last episode i watched as a kid (airing schedules were weird), so in my memory the show ended with Doom humiliated at the end of his, arguably, best plan which made it feel special to me compared to, say, the mole people or Nihilus plot
Thank you Sasha, the ever-studying (in a Casual way), your passion is duly noted, and the Invisible Woman wig and eye shadow are AWESOME. I would have to say that when the Submariner returns is one of the best early FF stories. Namor sending a hoard of deep sea monsters to punish New York would be EPIC to capture in a modern sense. Superior review and I am sorry I missed this particular cartoon series, looks like it was pretty good. (may have to look it up) PEACE dear Sister and God bless.
I was never able to catch this show when it was on. Thanks for reminding me about it, I'll go back and stream it.
Something I like about your videos about Silver Age comics is how it can really highlight the interplay between creativity and productivity/deadlines. So many monthly comics (then and now) will feel rushed, or like non-final drafts, yet they still manage to speak to things in interesting ways. It's what makes subsequent adaptations cool (when done well), since it allows the story to be refined, even if it isn't in the same way that the original creators might have refined it in the original medium.
I’m glad to see you mention the FF cartoon, “World’s Greatest Heroes.” I appreciate the faithful adaptation and attention to detail (look for Ben’s custom toilet, complete with grinder cylinders).
Omg I need to know what issue it is where Doom swaps bodies with Daredevil, it sounds amazing from the premise alone.
Unrelated I have the 60s omnibus run on Daredevil and as you noted it is fascinating to see in the early comics where the characters are. In Daredevil at least it takes a long time before Foggy gets any personality traits above best friend and low key jealous.
Yeah. I wanna know about that one too. So, Matt gets his eyesight back during the swap?
@@freddogrosso9835 I would assume so, I wonder if a search will yield anything
@@freddogrosso9835 apparently it is issues 37 and 38 of Daredevil (which the 60s run omnibus collects issues 1-41)
Worth noting that the Chris Claremont storyline alluded to is the first appearance of Valeria! Sorta...This Valeria is a teen aged time traveler who came back from a future where she is the daughter of Sue and Doom (hinted to be a Reed who never escaped Doom's body, but she doesn't know that). The Valeria we know is Waid retconning Byrne's famous "miscarriage" storyline...I can't imagine Byrne is happy about that, and as much as I do like Val, I have misgivings about that as well.
I used to watch that show as a kid (I remember this episode!), it's just as gorgeous as I remembered.
"Best looking blank page I've ever seen!" -- took me a couple of seconds to catch that, well played!
I love the animated FF series, I still have them on DVD; it along with ultimate avengers and next avengers heroes of tomorrow we're my introduction to marvel not the MCU. And ever since then have held a special place in my heart.
that show is easily my favorite version of the F4, the costumes and episodes based on old comics made it really awesome. glad to hear it getting some attention! :D
17:13 "Is Spider-Man involved? A Commentary by publisher J. Jonah Jameson"
I just can't...If only we also got Peter's reaction to that commentary!
I love when you cover silver age and bronze age stuff.
I remember seeing ads for this show in magazines back in the day and was always interested in watching it but could never find it back then. Thanks for reminding me it existed. I'm gonna go binge it on Disney+ since it looks like it's on there.
I'm not a huge fan of Fantastic Four, but I love that you cover these stories. Also I see Capt has move on from Ironman, he never was a team player. 🤣
1:15 that made me laugh way too much. 😂
I actually love this FF series and have rewatched it a couple of times since it came to Disney+. I enjoy the art style, the characterizations (especially Ben), and the way that it began to bring in pieces of the larger Marvel Universe. It's too bad that it didn't get to have the same longevity as some other Marvel series.
Marvel's First Family of Superheroes definitely lived in some interesting times indeed.
This FF series never gets enough love. It had that creepy sci-fi vibe that just works for the FF.
Nice to see someone giving this Fantastic 4 cartoon its due. I feel like its an underrated show.
I remember that show. It was fun. I'll probably give that a rewatch
Oh, boy I have some nice memories from that show. It was funny as hell.
Preparing for a mission:
Reed: Johnny, I want you to...
Johnny: (to Sue and Ben) Haha! He picked me first, losers!
Underground cave:
Reed: Oh, I have the perfect thing. It's and halogen lantern that...
Johnny: (lights up his hand). OK, let's go.
Reed: But my lantern. It's made for...
Ben: Don't worry. We'll use your lamp another time, buddy.
Johnny is super charged, emiting more heat than usual. Flies close to the ground, melting the tires of a car. The couple inside:
Woman: I love you Johnny!!
Man: Gee. Thanks a lot, Torch.
Johnny on first seeing Namor: "Dude...look at his EARS!! LOL!!" *Not* helpful to diplomacy with Atlantis...
I love the waid run especially what he did with Doom. It took the charming Doom and showed why that was dangerous.
Fantastic Four world's greatest heroes is such a great show
Ha! Perfect wig choice, but missed opportunity to work some blue and white into your wardrobe! Now I need to go find that animated show!
I've been meaning to give that series a watch. Art looks good and i think the voice actors are perfect. & I love a good body swap story!
I am glad to see the 2000s Fantastic Four cartoon get some praise. It was well done and I suggest a binge on Disney+ to everyone. This was a great episode to highlight how that animated series updated original stories. Nice job pointing out the connections and updates. I enjoyed the 1990s Fantastic Four series because it is great to see the comics come to life. Very true to the original except for the Galactus story, which switched out characters. If you are taking suggestions, an episode on the fantastic four cartoons (yes even the Herbie one, but feel free to shred it) would be fun.
I love early FF I got into FF like 6 years ago and it’s been so much fun it’s become my favorite comic series! I love the issue where Sue gets her force field powers and that hilarious opening page with her posing with that weird machine on her head. She’s right it would make the kookiest hard haha. Also Namor pretending to be a movie director is priceless! 😂
I love that you brought attention to that FF animated series 😍
It's highly underrated as an adaptation of the FF. I recommend anyone with a Disney Plus to watch it.
Marvel was into shrinking things. One of my all time favorite Hulk adventures (circa 1972) was where he gets shrunk down to insect size and has adventures in a garden for awhile. It was written by great science fiction writer, Harlan Ellison.
I'm a fan of every Fantastic Four series that doesn't have a Humanoid Experimental Robot B-type Integrated Electronics.
As always thank you so very much for the video.
Hickman’s Fantastic Four is my fav comic book story ever. Good lord I love that man
I never saw that cartoon series. There's so many I missed while in college.
That feeling when you realize that Son Goku's learning Instant Transmission and Fusion were just him ripping off Dr. Doom all along...
So glad to see the love for this FF series. I liked it a lot, and hope you do some more videos about it.
I love the throwaway line of mystic science.
The sight of little tiny dinosaurs in space suits with ray guns warmed my heart 💚
holy shit, I'd completely forgotten about the fantastic 4 tv show. Thank you for triggering an embedded childhood memory.
I really loved this animated series as a kid- it doesn’t get enough love!
Obviously the best petty Doom brain swapping, was when Johnny storm was the bouncer at an avengers party and was swapped with Dr. doom just so that way doom could go to the party when Johnny answered the door! Dr. Doom "Eat your heart out Maleficent! DOOM gets into all the parties, even when he's not invited! Always welcome!"
Do you remember what issue that was, or what story? Because I really want to find that now.
@@camerondodge2070 Sadly no because I found that out through death battle! The clip is shown from, most likely an avengers issue though because we do get to see a couple of the party guests. The episode of that battle is Dr. doom versus Lex Luther!
"when he re-embiggens them". Hilarious 😂
I love this show! Super underated adaptation, but it always reminds me why we love the FF
Totally forgot about that F4 cartoon series. I had to add it to my watch list. Thanks Sasha
I heart ur thumbnails
I love both the 90’s and this FF series as I grew up with them and it’s funny how ridiculous some of the original Lee/Kirby run was lol. Love the Fantastic Four
Ben knows that love is when you waste the time of the people you work with, and have them worry.