There is another case I heard where officers avoided duty to play Pokemon go. The audio recording has mention of the game and a few particular Pokemon, the official case summary includes descriptions of many Pokemon and it's hilarious
Really? Twilight fans are notorious for being crazy and doing fucked up things. It's one of the least surprising franchises to have something like this connected to it. Are you somehow unaware of this or did you manage to fail at thinking past your first thought? It's either ignorance or stupidity.
@@MuscarV2 what other cases are there? This is the 1st one I've heard about. How old are you? I don't understand why you're acting like a child with name calling. My guess is your a child or lack communication skills along with respect and common decency.
Teen drama is sometimes derided, but the bulk of it is no laughing matter. Teens are old enough to make choices that carry permanent consequences and ignorant enough to follow through. Thanks for telling this story, Dr. G-- tragic and horrifying but an important reminder of how moldable a child's mind is.
I like the point of your comment. Never thought about it in those exact words but you hit it. Old enough to know better and ignorant enough to do it anyway. That's literally teens on everything. To bad they don't expand the thought process a little more with something as serious as murder.
@@jeremyw5886 kind of but their synapse isn’t developed enough to connect the actions with the consequences without guidance from adults. Not merely in the selfish sense, but also in the sense of causing pain to others.
No need to apologize. It's a little jarring to see such cheese spout from such a learned man. I personally want to lose my fudge every time a game show refers to Twilight as literature. They put Stephanie Meyer next to Charles Dickens and they don't want me upset by that
I was little Kim Edwards with a mother that put the younger sister on a pedestal. I ran off to join the military and in time never looked back. Still, those scars will surface in different forms for different people.
I'm sorry that you were made to feel that way. I hope you have gotten some healing and realize that it was your mother's issue and you deserved just as much of your mother as your sibling. Thank you for your service in the Military and God Bless You ❤️
The role of a mother in someone’s life is such a powerful one. It’s is a relationship that can provide so much love and support if based on wisdom. On the other hand, it can bring tremendous sorrow and despair if based on dysfunction. A bad parenting combined with certain personality tendencies is a recipe for disaster. Very sad case. Insightful analysis, thank you Dr. Grande.❤️
My parents physically abused me as a very young kid and have been insulting me for helping them out, and neglecting me in every form since the day I was born. Yet I'm not a psychopath and do not want them to die. Crazy. It's almost as if empathy is innate and psychopaths overexaggerate things to play the victim in a chance to escape consequence. Dysfunctional parents make 100% sense with an abusive child btw, just as much as a dysfunctional victim is with an abusive partner. Although there is no proof that she's dysfunctional in any way apart from not giving the psychopath 100% of what she wanted and actually setting boundaries, it looks like she was afraid of the child and rightfully so. I've never tried to hurt my parents before and don't plan to, emotionally or physically. Guess I have too much of a heart and not a huge ego.
@@bunille I hope I’m not overstepping its just so sad to read your comment but so great to see you haven’t let dysfunction break your spirit and hope you know you deserve respect and to feel safe in your home environment, and I know it’s especially difficult with parents to set boundaries, sending you strength and love 🤍
@@bunille -Seems you are suffering though. Just because you aren’t a psychopath doesn’t mean you have good mental health. I encourage you to seek a professional evaluation.
@Rejane Oliveira Your comment broke my heart. It is so true. While my daughter and I have a great relationship now it took a lot of work. I was a single mother who worked very long hours to keep her in the best schools and neighborhoods possible. I was so hyper focused on that and exhausted that I failed to be there for her in some critical areas. While I think some kids are predisposed to violent behavior, most just get caught up. I am grateful the wrong set of stars did not align in our lives. I would like to think Kim and Elizabeth could have someday made amends and had a good relationship. So much lost over the impulsivity of emotionally damaged adolescents.
"They planned on overdosing on prescriptions pills so that they could live together forever." In my best Dr. Grande impersonation, "It seems they didn't truly understand the meaning of the word... 'living.'"
@@nimeryaspawnbrd1049 As in, they just became so overly-obsessed with Twilight that they figured they could simply will themselves into immortal beings? I suppose that's no less delusional than several other decisions they ultimately ended up planning and carrying out.
Dr Grande's exposition finally reaches somebody I have met in a former role in the criminal justice system. I met Stan / Lucas Markham. Unpreposessing guy, could solve a Rubiks cube single-handed in seconds, but not a great one for interaction. Though I never discussed anything mental health or offense related with him, it really strikes home how "normal" people like him can be in everyday interaction. Since then both he and I moved on, him in his sentence, me in my role, and I haven't seen him in years - unlikely to again. I usually try and avoid knowing what lads are convicted of, it can't help but colour people's judgment when working with them, but in his case it was very difficult to NOT know. The judge had taken the rare decision to release his identity despite him being a minor, which is unusual but they did it because of the enormity of the crime. Your analysis and extra background is very interesting, thought-provoking and astute, Dr Grande. Thank you for it, and do continue.
Sounds like you were professional enough not to let it cloud you from performing your duties of purpose. Your comment was very interesting and I appreciate you for sharing the experience with us. Always interesting to hear from someone that had interactions with the person/people in a case like this.
I would love a spinoff channel of Dr. Grande summarizing and conduction psychological analysis of bad movies. While the overarching story in this video is horrifying, the deadpan summary of Twilight was super entertaining.
Gah, I just committed a terrible wall of text rant about what's so awful about Twilight. I'm embarrassed (but pleased with one or two of the images) Dr Grande's deadpan is always a joy :)
When weak person feels deprived of love, they'll became angry and desperate. I see some cases where young girls are willing to sacrifice everything (herself and her family) for a man that will give them love. Hopefully all girls can find the love that they are craving for, and not harming anyone in the name of love.
This is such a sad case. I was following along very well, but when Dr.Grande said "like a homicidal version of waiting for Santa claus to come down the chimney", that got me!!
@@gaiaiulia Right!! I love that he has such dry humor & that he keeps a straight face, just randomly throwing stuff in. It's always perfectly placed, he just carries on like it's part of his analysis... Great stuff!!!
I was already laughing out loud when he said "but she fell asleep". When he said "it happened a second time" I'm pretty sure my neighbors heard me. How callous do you have to be to fall asleep during a homicide‽
@@matiaanjansenvanrensburg771 I think, and who am I to think, but I think Kim was having 2nd thoughts and pretending to be asleep those 2 nights. Then she figured what the hell, lets do it! We'll be out of prison in our 30's! (she didnt know that but thats whats happening)
I love the funnies that he adds along when telling the story. Dr. Grande actually has a pretty funny sense of humor. It's even funnier how he doesn't change his tone pitch or emotion during the delivery and just rolls on. Haha
Hahaha😂 your comment made me laugh. I needed that so bad. Ps-I'm glad u grew out of that too. Lol. I can't say I ever took place in the twilight obsessions.
Elizabeth wasn’t a good mother to Kim but she didn’t deserve to die. Then, her sister may have been the golden child but that was completely out of her control. This is awful 😞
not to play the devils advocate, but if kim truly had antisocial pd or psychopathy, it must have been very hard or even impossible for her mother to bond with her. I imagine raising a child with antisocial traits is extremely difficult.
@@ida305 impossible? I doubt it… the mother made decisions to hurt the self esteem of her child. Whether or not the child was difficult to bond with. That type of behavior is inappropriate and harmful to a child. Since, the mother was emotional childish, I’m not surprised her daughter went deeper into a mental psychosis.
@@ida305 you're not born with antisocial traits, rather socialising is something every child must learn and previous to that comes bonding with mother/caregiver. Not one baby is born psychopathic! Elisabeth made her bed, and scapegoated Kim to herself and her golden child.
I've had blowout fights with my mother, and asked her why she couldn't love me, and why x, y, and z were more important than a relationship with me her daughter. I never once thought of killing her. I went back time and time again begging for her love. Sometimes it better to move on. What a sad case. What is intriguing is how her sentence was reduced.
I often have homicidal thoughts in general and they're a regular feature of my coping mechanism when dealing with fear, hopelessness, humiliation, desperation.embarrassment, vulnerability, feeling under attack, feeling rejected, feeling degraded, feeling overwhelmed, feeling lonely, etc etc... but never thought of killing my family members... I seem to have a strange line drawn in my mind where homicidal thoughts are my normal when dealing with most people. So.... what exactly is your comment supposed to imply?... that ur so amazing for not thinking of killing ur own damn mother for God's sake? Even people who commit extreme brutality and violence and mass murder don't think of that against their family especially their mom... Especially over not being favorite? .. anyways. Not trying to be a dick but I'm just failing to comprehend what point ur making
Not receiving love from a parent is not the same thing as being target for their constant malice. From a narcissist parent even golden child is not receiving love (bcs narc is incapable of it) but is favourited hence speared from direct mistreatment and malice. Scapegoats as Kim take on the abuse differently and aren't always strong enough to indure the abuse (as she states in letter to her teacher), but are always becoming either suicidal or homicidal cuz of perpetrator, depending on if they internalise or externalise the abuse.
Great video!! I wish you had discussed Lucas Markham a bit more though, as he obviously had his own family and life issues. It seems like in many cases involving youth- (Gypsy Rose, Slenderman stabbings, Columbine, even Mary Bell's old case) -murder occurs when two troubled kids meet and develop a time bomb of a friendship. Without that relationship, many of these crimes probably wouldn't have occurred.
It is important to note though that certain troubled friendships can result in substantial personal growth and part of the issue is that there is still a massive gap between the troubled and the "normal"
Kim's explanation of the murders actually being quick and painless make me question her version of what her mother did to her. She's the only one still alive to tell that narrative. Also she wasn't sorry at all and they reduced her sentence. .. wow
Exactly! I don't believe her version of her mother treating her so horribly and unfairly etc. She might have seen it that way (this typical psychopath 'poor-me'-BS), but that is a very one-sided view - never reflecting on her own behaviour
I thought about that but yet the comments are full of credulous people victim-blaming and pointing to bad parenting as the cause. Dr. Grande kind of pushed that narrative; I notice he is frequently hard on older women on his channel, maybe sometimes unfairly.
@@seymourclearly There are at least two kinds that get sent to prison in the US. One kind denies personal responsibility and usually goes back to crime, back to prison (recidivist). The other, according to studies, does one stint in prison and never goes back to crime.
@@enjoyslearningandtravel7957 where I come from we believe prison js to rehabilitate people, the punishment is incarceration, look at the draconian sentences given out in USA, even death penalties, yet they have very high crime and murder rates , I agree though that if people are locked up the public will be safe from them
I was a teenager when twilight was big and in 2022 it’s hard to understand how HUGE it was among my age group. Nowadays it’s known as the cringey sparkly vampire movie but when this happened it was inescapable, it was a cultural fixture that you would see every day. Am I surprised there was a murder that was at least somewhat inspired by it? No. Deeply upset at this act but no.
My boyfriend portrayed Lucas on a TV crime documentary about this case. While studying for the role, he was so disturbed how these two could continue with their day after killing Kim's family.
I was a teen during Alice Cooper Band’s heyday who “on stage” and “in make believe land” which was all “entertainment” and “a fantasy” did all kinds of nutty things on stage and sang on records of loving deceased people--not once did a think it was anything other than show business and zany humor. We need to stop blaming entertainment for our societal faults. In the big picture, a movie is only a movie.
I cant get my head around the 2 kids just hanging out in the basement for 2 days after the murders and the remains just upstairs. No remorse, no fear of going to jail. All aside from the fact of the decomp smell after 2 days must of been horrible
Well that's nothing, an episode of "Walker, Texas Ranger" inspired me to buy a big 4x4 truck and challenge people twice my size to fight. The power of the screen
Brought to mind the book I read and liked called " Jacob I have loved. " It dealt with those emotions of feeling one sibling is more favored than the other. Thank you.
i loved that book as a kid. "Why do radio announcers have small hands?" "Because they have 'wee paws!'" "We pause for station indentification, get it!"😁
@@southernoregoncatmom6519 So many good classics and to use one's voice for character building and learning useful skill that benefit like knitting, sewing, carpentry simple things, sad life can be so fragile when options that matter are not there.
Yeah, like my dad...who beat the shit out of me whenever I did anything that made my younger brother look bad...because, you see, I was the oldest but adopted and my younger brother was therefore his "first born". Well...he had his fun slapping me around and guess what? His 2+ years in the rest home before dying, you know how many times I visited him? Well, it's the exact, same number as the number of tears I have had since his death, up to this point. Zero. Nothing. Nada. Zip. Bereft. The last time he did it was when I was 11 and maybe he was psychic because that WAS the last time and was also the time when I promised myself if he tried that shit on me again, I'd kill him. Literally. And I would have. Literally. So he's lucky he lived to 74 because had he tried the physical shit with me again, he would be gone decades ago! Decades! But no, I never visited his sorry ass. Fuck him. They adopted me because they thought they couldn't have kids...and then they had kids. He regretted adopting me after that, I'm quite sure. POS. And of course my mom didn't defend me, either. Bitch. Cunt. She's in a home about 10 miles away from me. I've been once. I haven't even talked to her in 2022. The shit they pulled with me is a large part of why I didn't have kids, since statistically speaking if you're abused you have a greater probability of being an abuser. Nope, I rescue fur-babies. I don't victimize creatures (including humans) who are defenseless. I still think adults are shitheads, and I'm an adult! And probably a shithead.
Just a reminder, I'm not diagnosing anybody in this video; only speculating what could be happening when teenagers emulate character from terrible movies based on terrible books like this.
he did. thats a plot point lol in the movie, they have a collection of graduation caps framed on the wall. the cullens, except for carlisle and his wife esme (who became vampires later in their lives and are therefore more "adult"), go to high school again every time they move so they can stay longer in the same town (people wouldn't notice them not aging as much).
What a gruesome and callous crime! Your analysis was amazing, and I do have to say it was very funny listening to you talk about Twilight and vampires! ;D ;D
Recently I wanted to learn more about BPD and HPD due to the ongoing Depp/Heard trial and my searches brought me to a few of your videos from 2018 and 2019. The videos I watched were really concise, formal, and regulated so thank you for that. They were really to the point and they answered the questions that I had. Subscribed. Today I watched this video to see some of your newer content and I was a little disappointed with some of the material. I was not expecting to hear about the story of Twilight for over a minute. I'm also unimpressed with the naming convention and I felt like having 'Twilight Movie' being the first words of the title was viewer hungry. I also preferred the closer front angle from earlier videos versus the further away angle with the microphone showing. It felt like someone with a doctorate was sharing his expertise versus just another TH-camr. I'm guessing that some of these changes are due to TH-cam's awful algorithm, hoping to get more views but it felt like a letdown for me. Nonetheless, you have brilliant content, and wishing you luck. Thanks for sharing your expertise. Edit: After reading the comments, it seems like the Twilight narrative was a success. I guess I'm just a 40-year-old fart.
I guess the only thing I'd like to point out is that while the film played a role in this case I don't think of it as an integral part. Had it not been the film it was I feel that something would have come about to fill the same role.
"I really want to commit homicide..but I'm so tired!"..and.."I;m not sure what the dog would have done with that information". You're killing me over here!
Hi Dr. Grande. This story is too creepy. It reminds me of a terrible horror movie instead of a real life situation. Peace and a good evening as well, love, Janine Smiley😀🙂😎🤩😍
I'm sorry, but to use the Twilight movies as inspiration to commit two murders is the most outrageous excuse ever! The fights or deaths that occur in the Twilight saga are between vampires and werewolves -- or "bad" vampires who can't resist human blood but are destroyed before long.
As with the movie in this instance, it would be interesting to address the degree of curiosity and interest that often seems popular among young women with dark and mysterious male figures, or simply "bad boys," despite society widely accounting this as dangerous and rarely ending well. Does a movie like this one--portraying such a character as actually noble underneath, which could be argued as atypical or even highly unusual--contribute to such misperceptions and misjudgments? Many a parent has been in a quandary over this with a child, watching rational discussion and advice even from peers go nowhere.
"The intense power of the movie twilight" 🤣 you could really make a good comedian with that deadpan but the loss to our psychology education would be too great for us to bare.
Oh come on now Dr. Grande, I know under that collared shirt you are hiding your Team Edward or Team Jacob shirt! Perhaps your next milestone video should discuss the incredibly important question of where your alliances lie. It better be Team Jacob or I may have to unsubscribe😉 lol. Great video as always!!
Fantastic content, as always!! Dr. Grande, I have a suggestion!! I personally would love to hear your thoughts and speculations on some of the members of the black metal band Mayhem. Idk if you are familiar with their infamous story, but Ill let you do the deep digging yourself if you should choose to do so. I like how you dont shy away from discussing dark events and this is one of the most fascinatingly dark events in the history of music. In particular, Im curious about what you would have to say about Per "Dead" Ohlin, Oystein "Euronymous" Aarseth and the most infamous of them all, Varg Vikerness. If you havent heard this story yet, its a trip and I highly recommend it as I could see you making a great psych study video out of it. You wont need to dig too far on the internet to find the whole story. In fact, there is a movie called "Lords of Chaos" about it now and I had this thought about wanting to hear your thoughts on the story after seeing it. Its just a suggestion, but I hope you see this and consider it! Cheers Man, I sincerely hope youre doing well!!
Australia too apparently, I just listened to a story about a law student who told her whole class she was going to kill her bf and herself and they helped her get the drugs to do it, nobody went to the police. She got like 2 years for murder
@Maureen Ingleston do you happen to know what the homicide rate is for the United Kingdom? You might learn a lot by researching some statistics. They (The UK) have a very decent justice system, especially if you compare it to the United States. The difference is astounding.
spoiler alert for twilight 🤣 I laughed out loud at that part. in high school, a lot of us girls would sit together and read twilight on our lunch breaks😂😂
Dang, Doctor Grande! Your script for this video was amazing! Your word choice was spot-on given the kind of tropes and stylized language found in the Twilight books and movies. Your talent as a content creator has grown commensurately with your channel! I’m so glad to have been on this ride since the beginning. (I used to be a purple A called “amy joy”)
When I was in high school there was a big push to teach students about abusive relationships both physical and mental. We were told that if someone loves you they will not say things or do things that could hurt you nor would they allow someone else to say something that they knew would be upsetting for you. Unfortunately for some of us, myself and my sister including, we applied that to our parents ,we began questioning and analyzing everything our family had said or done even the simplest of things that may have been said or done ,or any disappointments, even constructive criticism we believed meant our parents didn't love us, because if they did they wouldn't have said anything to upset us. They knew we would be upset if we got in trouble for something and they yelled at us but they did it anyway. So they must not care. And if they didn't care then who did and what was wrong with us, if even our parents didn't love us? I really believed this, and it really had a negative impact on my self esteem and even more so my sister, who turned to drugs to self medicate and years later was diagnosed as bi polar. She died last year because the drugs won. I married the first guy who was nice to me, only to discover that he wasn't so nice once I was officially "his" . My point is that sometimes even well meaning lessons can be misinterpreted. If that makes sense.
You can't be serious! Such ignorance is inexcusable. Where's the critical thinking? I had better judgment when I was five. I guess things need to be explained in simpler terms and more detail for SOME people.
Anne Rice asked, why would an immortal decide to keep going back to high school over the centuries. It’s the dumbest plot ever concocted. “Hey, I’m immortal so I’ll go back to high school. Can’t think of nothing better to do…”
i work with mentally ill patient and these kind of video are very valuable to not only deal with them at work, but actualy.. SURVIVE the work lol some are extremly dangerous and have 0 empaty, highly inteligent and manipulative
My mother also "chose" me to be the family scapegoat, while demonizing me to bond closer with my three younger siblings. They to this day often live with her, drive her car, spend her money eat her food and refuse to work. I live on the opposite coast as far as possible.. They say all sibling rivalry is the parent's fault. it's a common family dynamic. It is extremely painful to this day ( im in my 50s.) It was refreshing to hear Dr weigh in on this somewhat common scapegoat/golden child dynamic with the "binding" comment. This happened all throughout my childhood and can drive you to the edge amd require a lifetime of therapy. If the mother was that cruel to her, she absolutely did NOT deserve to die, but I wonder if this is why the sentence was less than a true psychopath's sentence would be.
Sounds like she was no different than her mom. Her mom pretty much just said well my daughter is gone after 6 days of being away from home oh well? My parents would have been out in full force looking for me or my sister if we didn't come home for one night. Not get our room ready for someone else to chill in there thinking me or her moved out the house.I would like to hear her story of how she was treated by her mom when she was younger. Not saying the murder was justified but there has to be more to her life story. So sad for all involved.
Her mother sounds like mother of the year. Who gives away their kid’s stuff within days of the kid running away? That being said killing her and the sister was a bit extreme.
I can't believe that, as I live in England, I didn't know about this horrific case. However, I am ashamed to say that Dr Grande's commentary on events made me snigger. So sorry and RIP to the victims 🇬🇧
Perfect analysis!, So much going here plus morally responsible vampires?!? Haha! Great job going through the many layers! Thank you as always, Dr Grande! ♡
I recently watched these movies for the first time and I was shocked by how terrible they were lol especially the first one... Why was Twilight so popular 😹
My daughter was only 13 when the first movie came out and took her with some friends to see it. The part where Edward sparkles accompanied by sound affects...I lost my shit. I was not forgiven.
Honestly I think the dismissive and bored nature of the movie to the point where he even inserted less quips gave me more of an idea how bad that movie was than any description of it lol
I think the worst most similar case I had heard before was a 13 year old girl who threw her mother's cat out of the apartment building's window as an act of general revenge-jealousy. She said her mother liked the cat more than her.
Thank you Dr. Grande. For quality work. Did you hear about Mike Tyson's on flight punches? Somebody seems intentionally triggered him to get the punches. Are people in the states that desperate for money? I mean they both seemed to be sitting on first class section of flight.
I searched to see if you have covered Cheryl Weimar case. I didn't find one. I've become interested in this case because the two guards that caused her to be a quadriplegic have had no charges brought against them that I know of. She did win a 4 million case for her care but why haven't the guards been charged and lost their jobs. Thanks for covering this case if you do. I'm very interested in this case.
Your talent for movie reviews demands a second channel. Dr. Grande at the Movies, where your sarcasm is only your own and is not intended as a recommendation.
I never thought in my entire life I'd see a forensic psychological analysis of a murder that included synopsis to the movie "Twilight".
There is another case I heard where officers avoided duty to play Pokemon go. The audio recording has mention of the game and a few particular Pokemon, the official case summary includes descriptions of many Pokemon and it's hilarious
Really? Twilight fans are notorious for being crazy and doing fucked up things. It's one of the least surprising franchises to have something like this connected to it.
Are you somehow unaware of this or did you manage to fail at thinking past your first thought? It's either ignorance or stupidity.
@@MuscarV2 what other cases are there?
This is the 1st one I've heard about.
How old are you?
I don't understand why you're acting like a child with name calling.
My guess is your a child or lack communication skills along with respect and common decency.
@@MuscarV2 Damn! Who hurt you man! Take a deep breath, it'll be okay. 😆
I think that sums it up pretty well.
Teen drama is sometimes derided, but the bulk of it is no laughing matter. Teens are old enough to make choices that carry permanent consequences and ignorant enough to follow through. Thanks for telling this story, Dr. G-- tragic and horrifying but an important reminder of how moldable a child's mind is.
I like the point of your comment. Never thought about it in those exact words but you hit it.
Old enough to know better and ignorant enough to do it anyway.
That's literally teens on everything. To bad they don't expand the thought process a little more with something as serious as murder.
@@KatSpade1018 if they know better, they are not ignorant.
@@jeremyw5886 kind of but their synapse isn’t developed enough to connect the actions with the consequences without guidance from adults. Not merely in the selfish sense, but also in the sense of causing pain to others.
Well put
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I'm sorry Dr Grande solemnly narrating the plot to Twilight is just solid gold content 🤣
It's unnerving and confusing me
Worse vampire movie ever.🤣
No need to apologize. It's a little jarring to see such cheese spout from such a learned man. I personally want to lose my fudge every time a game show refers to Twilight as literature. They put Stephanie Meyer next to Charles Dickens and they don't want me upset by that
@@wandacole5784 best vampire movie in my opinion? From Dusk Till Dawn! It has everything!
@@4bibimimi - Lose yr FUDGE ?!! Love it . And yes , that's not literature for pete's sake .
I was little Kim Edwards with a mother that put the younger sister on a pedestal. I ran off to join the military and in time never looked back. Still, those scars will surface in different forms for different people.
I'm sorry that you were made to feel that way. I hope you have gotten some healing and realize that it was your mother's issue and you deserved just as much of your mother as your sibling.
Thank you for your service in the Military and God Bless You ❤️
My mom did that with my sister and I too. She was always the golden child. I've been in therapy for 10 years.
interesting it was the opposite for me. my eldest sister was a pathological attention seeking narc and I as the second child was invisible. .
But the mom wasnt favorizing anyone until kim ran away. The mom clearly had enough
blessings you escaped.
i also escaped toxic immediate family members and live very far away from them.
The role of a mother in someone’s life is such a powerful one. It’s is a relationship that can provide so much love and support if based on wisdom. On the other hand, it can bring tremendous sorrow and despair if based on dysfunction.
A bad parenting combined with certain personality tendencies is a recipe for disaster. Very sad case.
Insightful analysis, thank you Dr. Grande.❤️
My parents physically abused me as a very young kid and have been insulting me for helping them out, and neglecting me in every form since the day I was born.
Yet I'm not a psychopath and do not want them to die. Crazy. It's almost as if empathy is innate and psychopaths overexaggerate things to play the victim in a chance to escape consequence.
Dysfunctional parents make 100% sense with an abusive child btw, just as much as a dysfunctional victim is with an abusive partner. Although there is no proof that she's dysfunctional in any way apart from not giving the psychopath 100% of what she wanted and actually setting boundaries, it looks like she was afraid of the child and rightfully so.
I've never tried to hurt my parents before and don't plan to, emotionally or physically. Guess I have too much of a heart and not a huge ego.
You deserve the most heartfelt congratulations for overcoming parental disfunction and finding a measure of success and peace of mind. 🏅🏆🎖
@@bunille I hope I’m not overstepping its just so sad to read your comment but so great to see you haven’t let dysfunction break your spirit and hope you know you deserve respect and to feel safe in your home environment, and I know it’s especially difficult with parents to set boundaries, sending you strength and love 🤍
@@bunille -Seems you are suffering though. Just because you aren’t a psychopath doesn’t mean you have good mental health. I encourage you to seek a professional evaluation.
@Rejane Oliveira Your comment broke my heart. It is so true. While my daughter and I have a great relationship now it took a lot of work. I was a single mother who worked very long hours to keep her in the best schools and neighborhoods possible. I was so hyper focused on that and exhausted that I failed to be there for her in some critical areas. While I think some kids are predisposed to violent behavior, most just get caught up. I am grateful the wrong set of stars did not align in our lives. I would like to think Kim and Elizabeth could have someday made amends and had a good relationship. So much lost over the impulsivity of emotionally damaged adolescents.
"They planned on overdosing on prescriptions pills so that they could live together forever."
In my best Dr. Grande impersonation, "It seems they didn't truly understand the meaning of the word... 'living.'"
I was actually expecting him to say this.
I 100% heard Dr. Grande's voice. Spot on and perfect comment!
@@KatSpade1018 Haha, appreciate that, Kat. Glad you enjoyed it. 👍
Yeah, well... they're Twilight fans... it kinda reconciles the paradox, I guess? 🤦♀️🤷♀️
@@nimeryaspawnbrd1049 As in, they just became so overly-obsessed with Twilight that they figured they could simply will themselves into immortal beings? I suppose that's no less delusional than several other decisions they ultimately ended up planning and carrying out.
"When police asked the pair what had happened, Lucas replied, "Why don't you go and look?"
That simple reply is EERIE 😳
Dr Grande's exposition finally reaches somebody I have met in a former role in the criminal justice system.
I met Stan / Lucas Markham. Unpreposessing guy, could solve a Rubiks cube single-handed in seconds, but not a great one for interaction. Though I never discussed anything mental health or offense related with him, it really strikes home how "normal" people like him can be in everyday interaction.
Since then both he and I moved on, him in his sentence, me in my role, and I haven't seen him in years - unlikely to again.
I usually try and avoid knowing what lads are convicted of, it can't help but colour people's judgment when working with them, but in his case it was very difficult to NOT know. The judge had taken the rare decision to release his identity despite him being a minor, which is unusual but they did it because of the enormity of the crime.
Your analysis and extra background is very interesting, thought-provoking and astute, Dr Grande. Thank you for it, and do continue.
Sounds like you were professional enough not to let it cloud you from performing your duties of purpose.
Your comment was very interesting and I appreciate you for sharing the experience with us. Always interesting to hear from someone that had interactions with the person/people in a case like this.
I would love a spinoff channel of Dr. Grande summarizing and conduction psychological analysis of bad movies. While the overarching story in this video is horrifying, the deadpan summary of Twilight was super entertaining.
This would be perfect with his dry humor which we all love so much. 😊
Yes!!! Would love it
Great idea, there are so many bad movies to choose from.
Gah, I just committed a terrible wall of text rant about what's so awful about Twilight. I'm embarrassed (but pleased with one or two of the images) Dr Grande's deadpan is always a joy :)
Let him start with the movie Ishtar starring Warren Beatty & Dustin Hoffman.
When weak person feels deprived of love, they'll became angry and desperate. I see some cases where young girls are willing to sacrifice everything (herself and her family) for a man that will give them love. Hopefully all girls can find the love that they are craving for, and not harming anyone in the name of love.
This is such a sad case. I was following along very well, but when Dr.Grande said "like a homicidal version of waiting for Santa claus to come down the chimney", that got me!!
Me too. A classic Dr Grande one liner.
@@gaiaiulia Right!! I love that he has such dry humor & that he keeps a straight face, just randomly throwing stuff in. It's always perfectly placed, he just carries on like it's part of his analysis... Great stuff!!!
I was already laughing out loud when he said "but she fell asleep". When he said "it happened a second time" I'm pretty sure my neighbors heard me. How callous do you have to be to fall asleep during a homicide‽
@@matiaanjansenvanrensburg771 I think, and who am I to think, but I think Kim was having 2nd thoughts and pretending to be asleep those 2 nights. Then she figured what the hell, lets do it!
We'll be out of prison in our 30's! (she didnt know that but thats whats happening)
"like a homicidal version of waiting for Santa Claus to come down the Christmas chimney" Perfectly stated.
Sleeping soundly while attempting a murder! COLD!🌪❄🌨
@@bthomson ~Right?! & 2 nights in a row. Cold indeed🥶
I love the funnies that he adds along when telling the story.
Dr. Grande actually has a pretty funny sense of humor. It's even funnier how he doesn't change his tone pitch or emotion during the delivery and just rolls on. Haha
Oh, my twilight obsession as a teen is coming back to haunt me...thanks for the analysis Dr. Grande! Happy that I grew out of it. 🤣
Hahaha😂 your comment made me laugh. I needed that so bad. Ps-I'm glad u grew out of that too. Lol. I can't say I ever took place in the twilight obsessions.
My god I am barely realizing how ridiculous I looked but hey that movie has such a vibe
Elizabeth wasn’t a good mother to Kim but she didn’t deserve to die. Then, her sister may have been the golden child but that was completely out of her control. This is awful 😞
not to play the devils advocate, but if kim truly had antisocial pd or psychopathy, it must have been very hard or even impossible for her mother to bond with her. I imagine raising a child with antisocial traits is extremely difficult.
@@ida305 impossible? I doubt it… the mother made decisions to hurt the self esteem of her child. Whether or not the child was difficult to bond with. That type of behavior is inappropriate and harmful to a child. Since, the mother was emotional childish, I’m not surprised her daughter went deeper into a mental psychosis.
@@ida305 Nobody is born with this disorder! It develops due to imprint, trauma, etc.
@@karadiberlino Psychopaths are born, not made.
@@ida305 you're not born with antisocial traits, rather socialising is something every child must learn and previous to that comes bonding with mother/caregiver. Not one baby is born psychopathic! Elisabeth made her bed, and scapegoated Kim to herself and her golden child.
Twilight should only inspire people to stay away from self-insert cheap teen drama.
Yes...it certainly shouldn't inspire terrible fanfic that becomes its own awful franchise....wait...damn it!
The first one was ok. I admit some hard truths.
Yet instead it has since become the norm of movies these days.
I just thought it was a boring vampire movie lmfao I stick to blade thank you very much
The films have always been anti murder, they didn't get it 😂
Something drastically wrong with the court systems apparently everywhere.
I've had blowout fights with my mother, and asked her why she couldn't love me, and why x, y, and z were more important than a relationship with me her daughter. I never once thought of killing her. I went back time and time again begging for her love. Sometimes it better to move on. What a sad case. What is intriguing is how her sentence was reduced.
Everyone is different. I dont understand why ppl think because they didnt do it why would someone else ... because ppl react differently
I often have homicidal thoughts in general and they're a regular feature of my coping mechanism when dealing with fear, hopelessness, humiliation, desperation.embarrassment, vulnerability, feeling under attack, feeling rejected, feeling degraded, feeling overwhelmed, feeling lonely, etc etc... but never thought of killing my family members... I seem to have a strange line drawn in my mind where homicidal thoughts are my normal when dealing with most people. So.... what exactly is your comment supposed to imply?... that ur so amazing for not thinking of killing ur own damn mother for God's sake? Even people who commit extreme brutality and violence and mass murder don't think of that against their family especially their mom...
Especially over not being favorite? .. anyways. Not trying to be a dick but I'm just failing to comprehend what point ur making
Chill! She just sharing her thoughts and feelings.
Not receiving love from a parent is not the same thing as being target for their constant malice. From a narcissist parent even golden child is not receiving love (bcs narc is incapable of it) but is favourited hence speared from direct mistreatment and malice. Scapegoats as Kim take on the abuse differently and aren't always strong enough to indure the abuse (as she states in letter to her teacher), but are always becoming either suicidal or homicidal cuz of perpetrator, depending on if they internalise or externalise the abuse.
"they could be together in paradise.. or at least in kim's house" LOL
I never thought I’d hear Dr Grande talk about Twilight. I love you Dr Grande, keep up the amazing work! ❤️❤️❤️
Great video!! I wish you had discussed Lucas Markham a bit more though, as he obviously had his own family and life issues. It seems like in many cases involving youth- (Gypsy Rose, Slenderman stabbings, Columbine, even Mary Bell's old case) -murder occurs when two troubled kids meet and develop a time bomb of a friendship. Without that relationship, many of these crimes probably wouldn't have occurred.
It is important to note though that certain troubled friendships can result in substantial personal growth and part of the issue is that there is still a massive gap between the troubled and the "normal"
Kim's explanation of the murders actually being quick and painless make me question her version of what her mother did to her. She's the only one still alive to tell that narrative. Also she wasn't sorry at all and they reduced her sentence. .. wow
Exactly! I don't believe her version of her mother treating her so horribly and unfairly etc. She might have seen it that way (this typical psychopath 'poor-me'-BS), but that is a very one-sided view - never reflecting on her own behaviour
Crude, binary thinking.
I thought about that but yet the comments are full of credulous people victim-blaming and pointing to bad parenting as the cause. Dr. Grande kind of pushed that narrative; I notice he is frequently hard on older women on his channel, maybe sometimes unfairly.
I do not like the fact that the number of years were reduced. It seems like an injustice to the victims because they never get paroled.
I hope both of them can get mental health help while they are in prison, and can come to grips with the reality of what they have done.
It is the UK, we have a mature justice system
@@seymourclearly There are at least two kinds that get sent to prison in the US. One kind denies personal responsibility and usually goes back to crime, back to prison (recidivist). The other, according to studies, does one stint in prison and never goes back to crime.
@@enjoyslearningandtravel7957 where I come from we believe prison js to rehabilitate people, the punishment is incarceration, look at the draconian sentences given out in USA, even death penalties, yet they have very high crime and murder rates , I agree though that if people are locked up the public will be safe from them
@@troy3456789 so are you saying some people reoffend and some dont !
I was a teenager when twilight was big and in 2022 it’s hard to understand how HUGE it was among my age group. Nowadays it’s known as the cringey sparkly vampire movie but when this happened it was inescapable, it was a cultural fixture that you would see every day. Am I surprised there was a murder that was at least somewhat inspired by it? No. Deeply upset at this act but no.
My boyfriend portrayed Lucas on a TV crime documentary about this case. While studying for the role, he was so disturbed how these two could continue with their day after killing Kim's family.
What is the documentary called?
@@edithmr21o Copycat killers
I was a teen during Alice Cooper Band’s heyday who “on stage” and “in make believe land” which was all “entertainment” and “a fantasy” did all kinds of nutty things on stage and sang on records of loving deceased people--not once did a think it was anything other than show business and zany humor. We need to stop blaming entertainment for our societal faults. In the big picture, a movie is only a movie.
Although lucas wasn’t a vampire, Kim was strongly attracted to him… 🤣🤣🤣 I just can’t 🤣🤣🤣
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I cant get my head around the 2 kids just hanging out in the basement for 2 days after the murders and the remains just upstairs. No remorse, no fear of going to jail. All aside from the fact of the decomp smell after 2 days must of been horrible
Well that's nothing, an episode of "Walker, Texas Ranger" inspired me to buy a big 4x4 truck and challenge people twice my size to fight. The power of the screen
I pretended to be a big cat for a REALLY long time after watching lion King over and over as a child. Kids are so easily influenced lol
This gave me a good laugh🤣
I saw A Clockwork Orange in a theatre when I was 3 years old, and I turned out,
well,
@@jmpsthrufyre you made me smile 😊
@@s.a.b.i. Good
Brought to mind the book I read and liked called " Jacob I have loved. " It dealt with those emotions of feeling one sibling is more favored than the other. Thank you.
i loved that book as a kid.
"Why do radio announcers have small hands?"
"Because they have 'wee paws!'"
"We pause for station indentification, get it!"😁
@@southernoregoncatmom6519 So many good classics and to use one's voice for character building and learning useful skill that benefit like knitting, sewing, carpentry simple things, sad life can be so fragile when options that matter are not there.
I remember that book!
Yeah, like my dad...who beat the shit out of me whenever I did anything that made my younger brother look bad...because, you see, I was the oldest but adopted and my younger brother was therefore his "first born". Well...he had his fun slapping me around and guess what? His 2+ years in the rest home before dying, you know how many times I visited him? Well, it's the exact, same number as the number of tears I have had since his death, up to this point. Zero. Nothing. Nada. Zip. Bereft. The last time he did it was when I was 11 and maybe he was psychic because that WAS the last time and was also the time when I promised myself if he tried that shit on me again, I'd kill him. Literally. And I would have. Literally. So he's lucky he lived to 74 because had he tried the physical shit with me again, he would be gone decades ago! Decades! But no, I never visited his sorry ass. Fuck him. They adopted me because they thought they couldn't have kids...and then they had kids. He regretted adopting me after that, I'm quite sure. POS. And of course my mom didn't defend me, either. Bitch. Cunt. She's in a home about 10 miles away from me. I've been once. I haven't even talked to her in 2022. The shit they pulled with me is a large part of why I didn't have kids, since statistically speaking if you're abused you have a greater probability of being an abuser. Nope, I rescue fur-babies. I don't victimize creatures (including humans) who are defenseless. I still think adults are shitheads, and I'm an adult! And probably a shithead.
I think they even turned it into a movie!! What a good book
What a sad story! I'm calling my mom to tell her I love her right now.
Dr. Grande’s content is exceptional.
Very grateful to spend time tuning in on great content/work. Thanks Doc.
Just a reminder, I'm not diagnosing anybody in this video; only speculating what could be happening when teenagers emulate character from terrible movies based on terrible books like this.
Tragically underrated... 😆👍
I made the mistake of reading the books, assuming they're probably alright.
I liked the books
Thank you for working hard Dr. Grande. I really love your content. I look forward to watching them everyday.
The Dr Grande explanation of Twilight was something I didn’t know I needed lol
So if Edward was 17 in 1918 and became a vampire, what is he doing in high school? Shouldn't he have graduated a long time ago?
he did. thats a plot point lol in the movie, they have a collection of graduation caps framed on the wall. the cullens, except for carlisle and his wife esme (who became vampires later in their lives and are therefore more "adult"), go to high school again every time they move so they can stay longer in the same town (people wouldn't notice them not aging as much).
Does seem to indicate a Child molester subplot.....ooops.
@@cht2162 Maybe he was just a real dumb Vampire and had to do High School over and over....LOL
There's no way that a hundred year old vampire wants to go to fuckin highschool. Are you kidding me?
If he was concerned about people noticing that he didn't age he could have just moved to the town over. Or just as easily worn a mask.
Hilarious timing on your part, as I am sitting in my living room listening to your video with Twilight playing on mute in the background
“Im not sure what the dog would have done with that information.” Notice they spared the dog. That dog is going to need therapy.
The first time I got here so quickly. Great job as always! 👍
What a gruesome and callous crime!
Your analysis was amazing, and I do have to say it was very funny listening to you talk about Twilight and vampires! ;D ;D
Recently I wanted to learn more about BPD and HPD due to the ongoing Depp/Heard trial and my searches brought me to a few of your videos from 2018 and 2019. The videos I watched were really concise, formal, and regulated so thank you for that. They were really to the point and they answered the questions that I had. Subscribed.
Today I watched this video to see some of your newer content and I was a little disappointed with some of the material. I was not expecting to hear about the story of Twilight for over a minute. I'm also unimpressed with the naming convention and I felt like having 'Twilight Movie' being the first words of the title was viewer hungry. I also preferred the closer front angle from earlier videos versus the further away angle with the microphone showing. It felt like someone with a doctorate was sharing his expertise versus just another TH-camr.
I'm guessing that some of these changes are due to TH-cam's awful algorithm, hoping to get more views but it felt like a letdown for me. Nonetheless, you have brilliant content, and wishing you luck. Thanks for sharing your expertise.
Edit: After reading the comments, it seems like the Twilight narrative was a success. I guess I'm just a 40-year-old fart.
Edward and Bella’s relationship is so toxic.
So was the movie.
Dr Grande is cranking em out! I'm seriously loving it while it's happening 😁🥰
Keep up the great work, Dr. Grande!
25 year olds playing 16- 17 year old high school students. Couldn't get past that when I tried to watch it.
Tbf he's meant to be 90+
@@eadweard. Right, but he stopped aging at 17 when he was turned.
@@eadweard. My comment applies to every "student" in that movie...
Something about life has come full circle for me now that I’ve heard a summary of Twilight by Dr Grande himself 🙌🏻
“Like a homicidal version of waiting for Santa Claus”. Come for the science, stay for the hilarity
I guess the only thing I'd like to point out is that while the film played a role in this case I don't think of it as an integral part. Had it not been the film it was I feel that something would have come about to fill the same role.
Role
@@amb5176 Thank You. I mean wow that was embarrassing. I'm getting old of which isn't an excuse. Thanks.
"I really want to commit homicide..but I'm so tired!"..and.."I;m not sure what the dog would have done with that information". You're killing me over here!
Good evening doctor! Keep it up with the great content !!
Hi Dr. Grande. This story is too creepy. It reminds me of a terrible horror movie instead of a real life situation. Peace and a good evening as well, love, Janine Smiley😀🙂😎🤩😍
I'm sorry, but to use the Twilight movies as inspiration to commit two murders is the most outrageous excuse ever! The fights or deaths that occur in the Twilight saga are between vampires and werewolves -- or "bad" vampires who can't resist human blood but are destroyed before long.
Dr Grande I am so sorry you had to watch “Twilight”.
They premeditated the murder of 2 people and are eligible for parole after 17.5 years.🤷
Because it happened in the UK. Pretty sure they call a "life" sentence 20 or 25 years.
The age old adage of “sparkling vampires made me do it”
As with the movie in this instance, it would be interesting to address the degree of curiosity and interest that often seems popular among young women with dark and mysterious male figures, or simply "bad boys," despite society widely accounting this as dangerous and rarely ending well. Does a movie like this one--portraying such a character as actually noble underneath, which could be argued as atypical or even highly unusual--contribute to such misperceptions and misjudgments? Many a parent has been in a quandary over this with a child, watching rational discussion and advice even from peers go nowhere.
"The intense power of the movie twilight" 🤣 you could really make a good comedian with that deadpan but the loss to our psychology education would be too great for us to bare.
Oh come on now Dr. Grande, I know under that collared shirt you are hiding your Team Edward or Team Jacob shirt! Perhaps your next milestone video should discuss the incredibly important question of where your alliances lie. It better be Team Jacob or I may have to unsubscribe😉 lol. Great video as always!!
Well that would alienate a percentage of his viewers and that's not a Dr. Grande thing to do.
Team Edward forever!
Fantastic content, as always!!
Dr. Grande, I have a suggestion!!
I personally would love to hear your thoughts and speculations on some of the members of the black metal band Mayhem. Idk if you are familiar with their infamous story, but Ill let you do the deep digging yourself if you should choose to do so. I like how you dont shy away from discussing dark events and this is one of the most fascinatingly dark events in the history of music. In particular, Im curious about what you would have to say about Per "Dead" Ohlin, Oystein "Euronymous" Aarseth and the most infamous of them all, Varg Vikerness.
If you havent heard this story yet, its a trip and I highly recommend it as I could see you making a great psych study video out of it. You wont need to dig too far on the internet to find the whole story. In fact, there is a movie called "Lords of Chaos" about it now and I had this thought about wanting to hear your thoughts on the story after seeing it. Its just a suggestion, but I hope you see this and consider it!
Cheers Man, I sincerely hope youre doing well!!
“spoiler alert for Twilight” - me before launching into my 45 minute book report on Twilight in sixth grade
I LOL'd at the 'i don't know what the dog would do with that information' comment.
The fact that this pair could walk free in their 30's proves our British justice system is very flawed.
Australia too apparently, I just listened to a story about a law student who told her whole class she was going to kill her bf and herself and they helped her get the drugs to do it, nobody went to the police. She got like 2 years for murder
@Maureen Ingleston do you happen to know what the homicide rate is for the United Kingdom? You might learn a lot by researching some statistics. They (The UK) have a very decent justice system, especially if you compare it to the United States. The difference is astounding.
spoiler alert for twilight 🤣 I laughed out loud at that part. in high school, a lot of us girls would sit together and read twilight on our lunch breaks😂😂
Dang, Doctor Grande! Your script for this video was amazing! Your word choice was spot-on given the kind of tropes and stylized language found in the Twilight books and movies. Your talent as a content creator has grown commensurately with your channel! I’m so glad to have been on this ride since the beginning. (I used to be a purple A called “amy joy”)
Dr. Grande, I ordered your book Harm Reduction and it was delivered today. I'm so excited and can't wait to start reading this weekend.
"a homicidal version of waiting for Santa Clause" 😂 Dr Grande, you are just too funny.
I don't know what the dog is going to do with that information 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I just woke my husband up laughing so hard 🤣🤣🤣
My fondest childhood memory: waiting for Murder Claus on Homicide Eve
When I was in high school there was a big push to teach students about abusive relationships both physical and mental. We were told that if someone loves you they will not say things or do things that could hurt you nor would they allow someone else to say something that they knew would be upsetting for you. Unfortunately for some of us, myself and my sister including, we applied that to our parents ,we began questioning and analyzing everything our family had said or done even the simplest of things that may have been said or done ,or any disappointments, even constructive criticism we believed meant our parents didn't love us, because if they did they wouldn't have said anything to upset us. They knew we would be upset if we got in trouble for something and they yelled at us but they did it anyway. So they must not care. And if they didn't care then who did and what was wrong with us, if even our parents didn't love us? I really believed this, and it really had a negative impact on my self esteem and even more so my sister, who turned to drugs to self medicate and years later was diagnosed as bi polar. She died last year because the drugs won. I married the first guy who was nice to me, only to discover that he wasn't so nice once I was officially "his" . My point is that sometimes even well meaning lessons can be misinterpreted. If that makes sense.
You can't be serious! Such ignorance is inexcusable. Where's the critical thinking? I had better judgment when I was five. I guess things need to be explained in simpler terms and more detail for SOME people.
Anne Rice asked, why would an immortal decide to keep going back to high school over the centuries. It’s the dumbest plot ever concocted.
“Hey, I’m immortal so I’ll go back to high school. Can’t think of nothing better to do…”
Free education.... im sure a lot changed since thr 1800s when he turned vampire
Hey Dr. Grande❣️ I'm listening to you while cooking dinner. Thank you for the new video.
The Twilight spoiler alert was helpful. I skipped that part of your analysis so that I now can now watch that masterpiece unspoiled.
I have just realized I have been following with channel for months but I have never subscribed. I think Dr.Grande needs to diagnose this conversation.
Have to admit I've never watched any of the Twilight movies in the series🧛♂️ Great quips & analysis of two very sick kids. Thanks Dr G🖤🖤
Never saw it or read the books or Harry Potter
i work with mentally ill patient and these kind of video are very valuable to not only deal with them at work, but actualy.. SURVIVE the work lol
some are extremly dangerous and have 0 empaty, highly inteligent and manipulative
Lol "I'm not sure what the dog would have done with that information"
isn't that movie over 6-7 years old though?? that's like me committing a homocide because I finally saw Heathers 😂😂
My mother also "chose" me to be the family scapegoat, while demonizing me to bond closer with my three younger siblings. They to this day often live with her, drive her car, spend her money eat her food and refuse to work. I live on the opposite coast as far as possible.. They say all sibling rivalry is the parent's fault. it's a common family dynamic. It is extremely painful to this day ( im in my 50s.) It was refreshing to hear Dr weigh in on this somewhat common scapegoat/golden child dynamic with the "binding" comment. This happened all throughout my childhood and can drive you to the edge amd require a lifetime of therapy. If the mother was that cruel to her, she absolutely did NOT deserve to die, but I wonder if this is why the sentence was less than a true psychopath's sentence would be.
Excellent analysis, Dr. Grande. ❤️ Thank you so much for all your content!
Sounds like she was no different than her mom. Her mom pretty much just said well my daughter is gone after 6 days of being away from home oh well? My parents would have been out in full force looking for me or my sister if we didn't come home for one night. Not get our room ready for someone else to chill in there thinking me or her moved out the house.I would like to hear her story of how she was treated by her mom when she was younger. Not saying the murder was justified but there has to be more to her life story. So sad for all involved.
Her mother sounds like mother of the year. Who gives away their kid’s stuff within days of the kid running away?
That being said killing her and the sister was a bit extreme.
A narcissistic parent. Kim was abused by narcissist, hence extreme actions she made.
I can't believe that, as I live in England, I didn't know about this horrific case. However, I am ashamed to say that Dr Grande's commentary on events made me snigger. So sorry and RIP to the victims 🇬🇧
I'd recommend the show We Hunt Together. Situations like this with psychopathic women are more common than we think, manipulation does wonders.
*Amber Turd has entered the chat*
Watta bout a show called " we fork together , not spoon. "
When asked who the funniest true crime youtuber is, Dr. Grande is my response every single time.
It's the deadpan delivery. Kills me. 🤣🤣
"I'm immortal. Better go register for high school."
I remember reading about this case!! Well researched Dr. Grande
Such a sad story, but Dr. Grande's delivery was so engaging that I laughed entirely throughout.
No matter how disappointing you find a movie, don't go on a killing spree; ask for your money back.
Thank you for the synopsis on 'Twilight'.at that time I deliberately didn't watch any of those films, I was so dedicated to Game of Thrones.
Perfect analysis!, So much going here plus morally responsible vampires?!? Haha! Great job going through the many layers! Thank you as always, Dr Grande! ♡
Not sure how you kept a straight face while talking about Twilight!!!
Great video! Such great analysis and background.
When I watch some of your videos, I wonder how many murder plots I dodged unknowingly and whether or not it was good I did…
"not sure what the dog would do with that information"
I damn near spit out my food!
I recently watched these movies for the first time and I was shocked by how terrible they were lol especially the first one... Why was Twilight so popular 😹
Teen angst
I have no idea
My daughter was only 13 when the first movie came out and took her with some friends to see it. The part where Edward sparkles accompanied by sound affects...I lost my shit. I was not forgiven.
I’m disappointed, I was hoping you would roast Twilight mercilessly. 😂
Honestly I think the dismissive and bored nature of the movie to the point where he even inserted less quips gave me more of an idea how bad that movie was than any description of it lol
Edward is not morally responsible.
He is 1,000 years old and dates high schooler’s.
I think the worst most similar case I had heard before was a 13 year old girl who threw her mother's cat out of the apartment building's window as an act of general revenge-jealousy. She said her mother liked the cat more than her.
Had I been her mother, I'd have promptly tossed daughter out the house forever. People like this are dangerous and not to ever be trusted.
Thank you Dr. Grande.
For quality work.
Did you hear about Mike Tyson's on flight punches? Somebody seems intentionally triggered him to get the punches.
Are people in the states that desperate for money? I mean they both seemed to be sitting on first class section of flight.
I searched to see if you have covered Cheryl Weimar case. I didn't find one. I've become interested in this case because the two guards that caused her to be a quadriplegic have had no charges brought against them that I know of. She did win a 4 million case for her care but why haven't the guards been charged and lost their jobs. Thanks for covering this case if you do. I'm very interested in this case.
Your talent for movie reviews demands a second channel. Dr. Grande at the Movies, where your sarcasm is only your own and is not intended as a recommendation.
"not sure what the dog would do with that information"
LMAO