it's funny how people in the west fell for iraq, syria, yemen, libya, somalia, afghanistan lies and now don't recognise that the exact same thing is happening with ukraine. it's amazing how gullable people are.
NATO has been bullying and threatening Russia for decades. Western oligarchs starved and robbed Russia blind after WW2, and Russia was western oligarch's prostitute. Just like western oligarchs travel to Ukraine now to get easy access to girls, organs, etc. This channel is a disgrace now, just another propaganda outlet.
When the US military kills civilians by the hundreds of thousands, it's "fine and dandy"; but when the Russian military kills civilians ... by the thousands....it proves that they're EVIL MONSTERS.
@@TheLouisisawesome i didn't say it was either justified or unjustified. I was saying that once again everyone in the west is brainwash about what is going on.
I am broadly in agreement with what Douglas says. I am sick and tired of my country and other Western democracies beating themselves up about things that I, born shortly after WW2, and most others alive today had no part in
But Western culture ad society has benefitted from it and still benefits from it. And is currently resentful that they are losing those benefits that they have not earned but treat it as their privilege to be maintained
@@offensivediscourse8514 Well, the number one benefit is that you think you have the right to feign ignorance and ask such a ridiculous question as if it were a legitimate enquiry. Just open your eyes and take a look around your immediate vicinity. You see all you take for granted without question? If you cannot then you are stupid. Then step out of your mothers basement and walk around your Western society, preferrably with your eyes and ears open, take it in and you learn more of the benefits Now switch on the TV and see how the West treats the rest of the non-western world. Too much for you? Your "gaming" is just more factious Western arrogance which only serves to dig the West further into the putrid pit you made for yourselves. May I suggest? Stop the ignorant arrogance and you will find you may have STOPPED the digging. But I know I am wasting my time The avoidance of taking advice from anyone but the Western self is one of your cherished "benefits"
@@davidsphere And yet, certain countries, totally devastated after WW2, got their act together and are now highly developed countries. Hard work and focus. Think Japan and Singapore. Even China .
@@mkkrupp2462 "Got their act together?" Is that how you see it from the Western history books you have been reading? Absolutely nothing in your mind to do with the exploitive tactics of the West? You know, those tactics which the West are now projecting upon the Chinese and accusing them of doing to the West. Like my father would say to me when someone took advantage of others "Good for one, good for all" Something to do with living in the Nottingham area, I guess :)
Centrist leaning people like myself really need this man and his positions. Thank you for the interview and thank you Douglas Murray for carrying the torch for some semblance of reason in the current political discourse.
I think imagining that the west is in some way following Russia culturally is absolutely ridiculous and a typical western attitude that fails to realise that Russian people have a completely different culture, world view and history. Always enjoy watching Freddie but he completely and utterly lost me towards the end there.
Many people in the US, mostly Trumpists, admire Putin because he is "manly", hates gays, shoots bears, has kept Russia "white", promotes religion and "family values" and so on. They are not that different.
When a comedian like Russell Brand has a better researched and articulate take on geopolitical issues and medical tyranny than a serial mental masturbator like Murray, then you know you are a shill. I put Murray in a category similar to Sam Harris. They were brilliant back in their day but have become increasingly irrelevant as their opinions became mainstream,milk toast regurgitation of establishment talking points
Not at all. Igor Girkin started the war back in 2014, he acknowledged that he had Russian backing and he shot down a passenger plane: He stated: "I sparked the flames of war, war is happening in the East because of me" So the entire conflict was started by the Russians even if you go back beforehand.
@@WinstonSmithGPT This is such emotional claptrap. The 14,000 dead number you state includes Ukrainian Soldiers, DNR Soldiers and civilians. Igor Girkin, the FSB Russian stooge who committed war crimes in Bosnia admitted he started the war with Russian help. So essentially it is known that Russia started the war back in 2014 by their OWN ADMISSION. As far as Banderism, Putin promoted that and anti-Russian sentiment by annexing Crimea, waging economic war on Ukraine in 2013 and trying to corrupt Ukrainian politics with Yanukovych. The road your talking about ... how is that justification for slaughter and massacre of civilians? Maybe Mississipi should have been invaded or the South of the US should be invaded for having some confederate statues by that logic.
NATO has been bullying and threatening Russia for decades. Western oligarchs starved and robbed Russia blind after WW2, and Russia was western oligarch's prostitute. Just like western oligarchs travel to Ukraine now to get easy access to girls, organs, etc. This channel is a disgrace now, just another propaganda outlet.
9. After 2004 attempts to pull Ukraine into the western sphere of influence were short lived. Yanukovich who was forced to re-do the election after winning the first time round in 2004 won a second time in 2010 and this time there was nothing they could do...until 2014 that is, with the euromaidan unrest and coup that followed. Yanukovich was ousted unconstitutionally and only just got out of Ukraine alive after his limo was attacked. 7 of his government officials were found dead, at first claimed to be suicides but subsequently 5 of which were suspected murders. The US had a clear hand in all of this as we now have a phone call interception between Victoria Nuland then undersecretary of state and Geoffrey Pyatt US ambassador to Ukraine discussing who should take over as prime minister after the coup. Their voice recording was published on Feb 8th the coup occurred 2-3 weeks later. After the coup Yatsenyuk the person Victoria Nuland thought should be the one to take over did in fact become prime minister of Ukraine. These recordings can readily be found online along with countless other bits of evidence proving US meddling in the affairs of Ukraine. Since 2014 Ukraine has become a de facto member of Nato with several thousand troops being trained by Nato operators to Nato standards in Ukraine every year. the US since 2014 and up until the war had provided 2.7 Billion in military aid to Ukraine. We can add a few more billion since as well as the 13.4 billion promised for various other things which you are sure to find with minimal digging will be mostly plundered by corrupt US and Ukrainian politicians. After all Ukraine was known as the money laundering country of choice for many western interest groups including POTUS himself and his son. Evidence for this is very hard to miss. 10. Zelenskyy who was elected as an outsider with the promise of seeking out peace in the Donbas shortly after did a 180 on his promise in no small part due to the fact that he simply could not control the ultranationalists and neo nazis who were now substantive fixtures in the Ukrainian military. He was funded by a Ukrainian Oligarch(kolomoisky) who owned the channel that aired the hit series in which Zelenskyy played a teacher who ended up becoming president of Ukraine. Only Hollywood can come up with a scenario like this however this is not make believe this really did happen. Anyone who does not find all of this incredibly suspect might want to have their sanity checked. Kolomoisky also funded the Azov Battalion. Zelenskyy is just a coked up fool, a useful idiot of you will who has the acting chops to play the part he was given. That part was to stall any and all attempts at peace, violate the Minks ceasefire agreements, go full steam ahead with Nato accession and only a week before the invasion ramp tensions up even further with talks of acquiring nuclear weapons(his secretary of state had made a similar statement a year prior). There's countless other bits of evidence that shows that Russia was given no other choice in this and that with mathematical precision Ukraine and the west at every turn did exactly what was required to bring us where we are right now. It could have been prevented years ago by simply abiding by the Minsk agreement, it could have been prevented a year ago by avoiding Nato accession talks, it could have been done a week before the invasion by not talking about nuclear weapons, it could have been avoided a week after by agreeing to Russia's terms(autonomy and recognition of Donbas, recognition of Crimea, No Nato, denazification) it can still be ended right now if Zelenskyy realizes that he's lost the Donbas, lost Crimea, the south will be lost entirely too and so will Kharkov. If he acts quickly enough he may retain Odessa and Kharkov but it does not seem like he will, not that he doesn't want to, he simply won't be allowed to. The US by the open admission of many US politicians will fight the Russians to the last Ukrainian. I believe it was congressman Schiff several years ago that said "we are fighting them(the Russians) in Ukraine so that we do not have to fight them at home" It is truly sad what is happening in Ukraine and to the Ukrainian people but what is even sadder is that there are still people that have been propagandized and brain washed to no end(including our genius friend Douglas Murray) and still believe the western media/MIC/establishment narrative and this only serves to further the suffering of the Ukrainian people(and to be clear ethnic Russians in Ukraine are ALSO Ukrainians who have been fighting a civil war since the US supported coup of 2014). Shame on you Douglas Murray, shame on you for being so bloody narrowminded and obtuse and failing to just open up a history book do some proper research to see that all of this is well documented and out there for anyone to see if only they had the integrity to examine the other side of the coin and not buy what they've been sold by the media wholesale. I mean this man fought a war against the leftist media for 5-6 years missing no opportunity to call them out on their lies yet now suddenly parrots their whole narrative without question. What a fool!
“There is a type of cynicism .... which is cynical about everything other than the thing it ought to be most cynical about” Finally, we’ll articulated what I’ve known for years. I see it growing in people close to me around me, people I had otherwise respected and admired for their supposed intelligence and political maturity
His late friend Roger Scruton said something similar about one of the root causes of this type of thinking. “A writer who says that there are no truths, or that all truth is 'merely relative,' is asking you not to believe him. So don't. Deconstruction deconstructs itself, and disappears up its own behind, leaving only a disembodied smile and a faint smell of sulphur.”
So that is a good quote, but the reason people are cynical and skeptical of the mainstream Western narrative should be quite apparent. The press and many Western leaders have worked around the clock to earn that impression.
Two groups that have completely infantilized themselves such that nothing is ever their fault and everything is the fault of those they disagree with. A pox on both their houses.
Every individual must weigh up for themselves what is truth! And if they are not sure, then they must at least openly hear both sides of the argument before judging.Turning a deaf ear to both sides of the argument is not the ignorance that is bliss!!
@@Gunslinger_Disciple as a student of history i have seen where that path lies as well and our country was founded upon the principle of a separation of church and state for a reason.
The left is totally behind Ukraine, it's the right that has fully supported Putin. Even libertarians are behind Ukraine which shows they have turned into communists. The communist organization NATO is trying to spread bolshevism.
The last time I heard a discussion on cultural appropriation there was one white American and 6 women from countries around the world. They went on and on how white people should not ever use fabric even from any other non western country. But not a single one of them was wearing fabric or clothes from their own culture. Every last one was wearing MY cultures clothing!
Challenging to interview someone with such knowledge, intelligence, and logic. Regardless, Douglas Murray is able to bring out the key messages with humility and…aplomb. We are all better for it.
You're denying the Ukrainians any agency in this matter. That's ridiculous. You overestimate US power and completely deny the ability of Ukrainians to make up their own minds on their own freedom. They are fighting for themselves or do you buy the Putin kool-aid that they are brainwashed Nazis and willing to die for it?
What about Ukraine being set up as a western puppet criminal cartel/vassal state? What about the transgenser k-12 programs enacted since 2014, the slaughtering of ethnic russians in the east for 8 years? Everytime i hear anyone talk about this issue, my head explodes, these ppl must be literal androids; scripts and coding instead of brains and souls?
Douglas talks and writes about what interests him, as is his right, but it has been surprising to see so many public intellectuals avoid talking about the Covid madness, much less offer any resistance. Theodore Dalrymple is another one who has been disappointing in this regard.
Agreed monsieur! Murray has said sod all about lockdowns and the mandates. He only piled on some comments about Trudeau and the convoys. Who didn’t? Murray is on the hustings ( the new mainstream media) flogging his wares. Easy to bang yer chops, even easier to do fuck all.
@@johnvannewhouse could you cite a few of them? I haven’t found anything beyond his baseline pontifications about vaccines and lockdowns. I’d love to indulge in his work.
The swift and coordinated pro-Ukraine focus of the media is one thing. The extraordinary permission given to say, among other things, Kill Putin is quite another, and caused me to reflect on my initial response to the conflict.
Hard to know what the right thing to do about Putin & his Kremlin regieme is? - his aggressive war in Ukraine has to be defeated or he'll just try further aggression - he certainly must be contained in his own borders - his neighbours (like Ukraine) shouldn't have to be vassal states - but regieme change in Russia may be a step too far? - & is probably not possible?
@@mattyb859 can't disagree with you morally - BUT in the real world we're likely to have to negotiate with Putin ... & wishing him dead isn't going to help with that
Why you (and many others) seem to think there's an obvious logical link underpinning all those three issues in a way that almost seems to imply some sort of common conspiracy, I have no idea. Worse, the idea that there are necessarily clear-cut "sides" on which everyone must stand on all three issues.
And all of you defenders of Russia fail to see the point of view of those peripheral people of empires. Be it China, Russia, or Turkey... They do all they can (like joining NATO, looking West...) to escape being vassals or slaves of their own imperialist foes.
I wont pretend to know much about what is going on in Ukraine nor defend Putin but my gut instinct tells me there is more to it in a bigger sense politically.
True, but then again you could say the same thing about every single other country, province, state, city, town, municipality, company, university, store, family and individual around the globe.
There is! The war started eight years ago. When the Donbas region voted to be independent. They’ve face constant shelling from Ukraine over those eight years and there’s been over fourteen thousands deaths. The bbc did a documentary about the frightening rise of n azis there. Now suddenly they don’t mention it. The Ukrainian army primarily AZ of brigade have been using the civilians as human shields. Why would Russia kill people who they’ve now gone in to Ukraine to defend. There is no logic in MSM blatant lies.
There is much that is being purposefully concealed by media in the west. We're essentially back to cold war era propaganda on all sides, though the west has been the winner in the misinformation of its own population this time around.
I remember the Iraq war lies and shock and awe, then ISIS. So my guy instinct thinks there's more going on. I don't think the west's "superior" qualities have necessarily immunised them from looking after their own interests (whoever those powerful people are).
Excellent point by Douglas Murray, asking why we in the West should be shy about proclaiming that we have a successful culture. But i would say, Douglas, that it is not rank and file americans who are trying to negatively rewrite our history but rather klaus schwab in his efforts to overthrow the united states
He hasn't a clue. If the UK government was violently overthrown by Londoners, then this 'government' starting waging war and bombing Cardiff because the Welsh want nothing to do with that...
Nothing, because he admits to knowing NOTHING about the topic. But, as log as we are here: Putin shelled Donbass. See how easy that was? you know how I know? Because between Ukraine and Russia at the time, Russia was the only country with actual army and artillery units.
Its imperfect for sure but where else is it done better? - 'democracy is the worst form of government, apart from all the other kinds that have been tried from time to time' - Churchill - sums it up realistically for me.
@@fraserct533 it’s always going to be imperfect yes, but now it’s absolutely corrupt, the west is behaving no better than tinpot african dictatorship. In fact in Africa it’s better than here, last time I went ..
@@another1498 surpised to hear that take ... where in Africa would you say democracy functions less corruptly than in any Western country? ... BTW ... fair warning ... I live there 😁
In China, there has been a famous for the last 10 years or so saying: "Criticising the USA is work (as in assigned by the government) and moving to the USA is life (as in where the Chinese want to live and work)". In fact, my Chinese colleagues/friends were so confused why foreigners wanted to live and work in China when "every Chinese, rich or poor, wants to get out," according to them because it's a country that allows very little freedom for its residents.
Nice anecdotal story. I can understand why one might not want to live under suthoritatianism, but that is no reason to want to live in the usa. It is no freer.
@@ZambeziKid greetings, I humbly propose that living in US is very different from negative mainstream media point of view. If one Works smart and hard, one can get ahead and given time build a safe and comfortable life. Yes, some are racist, I’ve seen and heard it. But I’ve also seen many successful poc.
On Talktv tonight they interviewed a Ukrainian woman employed in China, who is currently in lockdown in Shanghai, she confirmed the stories about the balcony 'music' and all the other stuff we've seen. It's her intention to pack her stuff and get out of China as soon as possible.
I count myself as an ignorant working class man, brought up with liberal views (in the old sense of the word). Douglas has a knack of expressing what many of us think but often can’t explain. A rare diamond in the swathe of middle class commentators these days.
Agreed. He has thrown a spanner in the WEF authoritarian body and attacking the western establishments crime capital that is Ukraine. So that good quite frankly
Hard to think of a more important topic for us to discuss. If Western error correcting social technologies (science, democratic institutional packages and norms, open inquiry and expression) go down, humanity's deep future goes down. Looking forward to reading this book Cheers lads.
Dude thrs a whole world out there.humanity is more than just the 'west'.here in the east ,our culture has survived since 3000BC.we are not gonna tie our fates with the 'WEST' n its version of the future n go down just coz European n Christian values have been eradicated.In all these discussions i smtimes feel that ppl forget that thrs a lot more 'humanity' on this planet.its very self important n self centered
Britain is producing the best, next generation, interview-style content creators in the alt-media. I have high hopes for the careers of Freddie, Chris Williamson, and others. PS Douglas Murray is on the short list of Best Guests.
If we are considering from what continents and what countries people are migrating in searching better life, then it is from East to West and from South to North (that means to West in cultural sense) not vice versa.
I have to say that after the debacle of COVID management, I would much rather have followed aboriginal thinking on how to stay healthy. Public Health is hardly the bastion of science and progress.
Whenever I hear Douglas has a new book coming out, I know he is going to do the rounds on podcasts and other shows. Douglas Murray is one of a handful of people who consistantly go for the jugular when it comes to the insanity we have all been watching our respective nations going through. Can't wait to buy his new book. Getting a copy first thing on payday!
Great interview. I think it's safe to say that Douglas had had it with the dystopian wokeness that ails society. Preach brother, preach! Hope his message makes people people realize that we must all oppose the insanity however we can.
Much agreed! Murray is courageous and that’s what we need more of. The current ideology of woke-ism leads to narcissism, ingratitude, historical ignorance, and self-righteousness, not to mention racism (in the traditional sense). I hope to see more people come to the fray and challenge woke-ism, the world will be a better place when these ideas are in the dustbin and it’s promulgators ignored.
Yes, the part about woke weirdos is true. But it’s certainly not the Right making those asinine comments. It’s the LEFT????!! Why does he keep saying the Right is at fault, the right this and that??. The LEFT are adding sexual literal to kindergarteners, the LEFT is saying white people are guilty of every bad thing and racist against everyone….everything that has happened with riots etc…is all from liberal believers. What is he even talking about??? Is he ok???
Wait until China aligns with Russia and brings in India. Would love to see where Douglas's take on Western superiority ends up then. Also the West has long abandoned the principles that made it special, guess Douglas didn't notice.
India wont align with China in any meaningful way. In the absence of effective opposition by the West, India will be strategically smart. But at heart India is democratic and cannot be their ally.
9. After 2004 attempts to pull Ukraine into the western sphere of influence were short lived. Yanukovich who was forced to re-do the election after winning the first time round in 2004 won a second time in 2010 and this time there was nothing they could do...until 2014 that is, with the euromaidan unrest and coup that followed. Yanukovich was ousted unconstitutionally and only just got out of Ukraine alive after his limo was attacked. 7 of his government officials were found dead, at first claimed to be suicides but subsequently 5 of which were suspected murders. The US had a clear hand in all of this as we now have a phone call interception between Victoria Nuland then undersecretary of state and Geoffrey Pyatt US ambassador to Ukraine discussing who should take over as prime minister after the coup. Their voice recording was published on Feb 8th the coup occurred 2-3 weeks later. After the coup Yatsenyuk the person Victoria Nuland thought should be the one to take over did in fact become prime minister of Ukraine. These recordings can readily be found online along with countless other bits of evidence proving US meddling in the affairs of Ukraine. Since 2014 Ukraine has become a de facto member of Nato with several thousand troops being trained by Nato operators to Nato standards in Ukraine every year. the US since 2014 and up until the war had provided 2.7 Billion in military aid to Ukraine. We can add a few more billion since as well as the 13.4 billion promised for various other things which you are sure to find with minimal digging will be mostly plundered by corrupt US and Ukrainian politicians. After all Ukraine was known as the money laundering country of choice for many western interest groups including POTUS himself and his son. Evidence for this is very hard to miss. 10. Zelenskyy who was elected as an outsider with the promise of seeking out peace in the Donbas shortly after did a 180 on his promise in no small part due to the fact that he simply could not control the ultranationalists and neo nazis who were now substantive fixtures in the Ukrainian military. He was funded by a Ukrainian Oligarch(kolomoisky) who owned the channel that aired the hit series in which Zelenskyy played a teacher who ended up becoming president of Ukraine. Only Hollywood can come up with a scenario like this however this is not make believe this really did happen. Anyone who does not find all of this incredibly suspect might want to have their sanity checked. Kolomoisky also funded the Azov Battalion. Zelenskyy is just a coked up fool, a useful idiot of you will who has the acting chops to play the part he was given. That part was to stall any and all attempts at peace, violate the Minks ceasefire agreements, go full steam ahead with Nato accession and only a week before the invasion ramp tensions up even further with talks of acquiring nuclear weapons(his secretary of state had made a similar statement a year prior). There's countless other bits of evidence that shows that Russia was given no other choice in this and that with mathematical precision Ukraine and the west at every turn did exactly what was required to bring us where we are right now. It could have been prevented years ago by simply abiding by the Minsk agreement, it could have been prevented a year ago by avoiding Nato accession talks, it could have been done a week before the invasion by not talking about nuclear weapons, it could have been avoided a week after by agreeing to Russia's terms(autonomy and recognition of Donbas, recognition of Crimea, No Nato, denazification) it can still be ended right now if Zelenskyy realizes that he's lost the Donbas, lost Crimea, the south will be lost entirely too and so will Kharkov. If he acts quickly enough he may retain Odessa and Kharkov but it does not seem like he will, not that he doesn't want to, he simply won't be allowed to. The US by the open admission of many US politicians will fight the Russians to the last Ukrainian. I believe it was congressman Schiff several years ago that said "we are fighting them(the Russians) in Ukraine so that we do not have to fight them at home" It is truly sad what is happening in Ukraine and to the Ukrainian people but what is even sadder is that there are still people that have been propagandized and brain washed to no end(including our genius friend Douglas Murray) and still believe the western media/MIC/establishment narrative and this only serves to further the suffering of the Ukrainian people(and to be clear ethnic Russians in Ukraine are ALSO Ukrainians who have been fighting a civil war since the US supported coup of 2014). Shame on you Douglas Murray, shame on you for being so bloody narrowminded and obtuse and failing to just open up a history book do some proper research to see that all of this is well documented and out there for anyone to see if only they had the integrity to examine the other side of the coin and not buy what they've been sold by the media wholesale. I mean this man fought a war against the leftist media for 5-6 years missing no opportunity to call them out on their lies yet now suddenly parrots their whole narrative without question. What a fool!
@@ctesociety9552 The past two years AT LEAST have shown us clearly: Assume the opposite of the "mainstream media" and you are as close to the truth as you can get. You do know that ALL of their lies have been exposed but "our side" was never wrong? Truth is not what you believe but what really happens.
Thank you! Ken Burns recently had a documentary on Ben Franklin that was an excellent example of being prideful of Franklin’s achievements while exposing his faults. May reason prevail!
It was easy to admire Russia from a distance because they had a leader that put the Russians first. While we had eight years of the Obama World Apologies tour.
‘Put Russians first’. Hmm. Tell that to the journalists who have disappeared and the political prisoners. Putin has his vision for Russia and demanded and compelled everyone to subscribe to that vision. If that’s putting Russia first, then yes, he did. PS - I’m indifferent when it comes to Obama or other US politicians, at the end of the day, if they do bad they can and should be voted out of office.
Only if you choose to ignore the poisoning of political opposition, and having failed to murder this opposition the imprisonment of said opposition. Here comes your paramour attacking a prior satellite state to Russia that wishes to not be under its yoke. What is there to admire ?
That's a very polite way to say "global drone campaign". Obama talked a good game but foreign policy-wise he was more of the same. Besides, Russia's current pathetic war performance shows why self-criticism is a pretty smart thing to do.
Rare to be able to hear a rational, logical and brilliant mind! Thank you, Freddie, for your courage to support free speech, an absent value from the "empty wasteland" I have witnessed our culture become over 60 years.
I know it's not popular at the moment unheard but it would be good if you published or interviewed the right Douglas is misunderstanding and let them speak for themselves. Daryl Cooper (martyr made) John mearshimer or Pedro Gonzalez can hardly be called gullible fools.
NATO has been bullying and threatening Russia for decades. Western oligarchs starved and robbed Russia blind after WW2, and Russia was western oligarch's prostitute. Just like western oligarchs travel to Ukraine now to get easy access to girls, organs, etc. This channel is a disgrace now, just another propaganda outlet.
Haven't watched the video yet but ANYONE who parrots the ideas of others claiming them as their own because they lack the ability to form cognitive thoughts without prompting...are gullible fools...
UnHerd its coverage of the Ukraine conflict is rather lopsided. I haven't seen a single "gullible" right winger or realist being interviewed on this channel.
John Mearshimer isn't on the right according to his own words, please see his speech on the liberal hegemony. Also that's not who Doulas was speaking about, perhaps you should read his book.
9. After 2004 attempts to pull Ukraine into the western sphere of influence were short lived. Yanukovich who was forced to re-do the election after winning the first time round in 2004 won a second time in 2010 and this time there was nothing they could do...until 2014 that is, with the euromaidan unrest and coup that followed. Yanukovich was ousted unconstitutionally and only just got out of Ukraine alive after his limo was attacked. 7 of his government officials were found dead, at first claimed to be suicides but subsequently 5 of which were suspected murders. The US had a clear hand in all of this as we now have a phone call interception between Victoria Nuland then undersecretary of state and Geoffrey Pyatt US ambassador to Ukraine discussing who should take over as prime minister after the coup. Their voice recording was published on Feb 8th the coup occurred 2-3 weeks later. After the coup Yatsenyuk the person Victoria Nuland thought should be the one to take over did in fact become prime minister of Ukraine. These recordings can readily be found online along with countless other bits of evidence proving US meddling in the affairs of Ukraine. Since 2014 Ukraine has become a de facto member of Nato with several thousand troops being trained by Nato operators to Nato standards in Ukraine every year. the US since 2014 and up until the war had provided 2.7 Billion in military aid to Ukraine. We can add a few more billion since as well as the 13.4 billion promised for various other things which you are sure to find with minimal digging will be mostly plundered by corrupt US and Ukrainian politicians. After all Ukraine was known as the money laundering country of choice for many western interest groups including POTUS himself and his son. Evidence for this is very hard to miss. 10. Zelenskyy who was elected as an outsider with the promise of seeking out peace in the Donbas shortly after did a 180 on his promise in no small part due to the fact that he simply could not control the ultranationalists and neo nazis who were now substantive fixtures in the Ukrainian military. He was funded by a Ukrainian Oligarch(kolomoisky) who owned the channel that aired the hit series in which Zelenskyy played a teacher who ended up becoming president of Ukraine. Only Hollywood can come up with a scenario like this however this is not make believe this really did happen. Anyone who does not find all of this incredibly suspect might want to have their sanity checked. Kolomoisky also funded the Azov Battalion. Zelenskyy is just a coked up fool, a useful idiot of you will who has the acting chops to play the part he was given. That part was to stall any and all attempts at peace, violate the Minks ceasefire agreements, go full steam ahead with Nato accession and only a week before the invasion ramp tensions up even further with talks of acquiring nuclear weapons(his secretary of state had made a similar statement a year prior). 11. Following the dissolution of the soviet Union Russia sought out assurances that Nato would not expand eastward in order to preserve stability in the region. The US promised they would not, yet only 5 years later violated their promise and in the decade that followed admitted no fewer than 14 former soviet nations into Nato in effect encircling Russia despite their frequent protestations to this. Finally Russia drew a red line with Georgia and now Ukraine. The belligerence of Nato in this regard is unprecedented, and to think that this war could have been avoided had the US left well enough alone as countless level headed western politicians and intellectuals had warned(including Kissinger, Dr Mearsheimer, and many others). This is just a small sampling of the situation in Ukraine showing that Russia was given no other choice in this and that with mathematical precision Ukraine and the west at every turn did exactly what was required to bring us where we are right now. It could have been prevented years ago by simply abiding by the Minsk agreement, it could have been prevented a year ago by avoiding Nato accession talks, it could have been done a week before the invasion by not talking about nuclear weapons, it could have been avoided a week after by agreeing to Russia's terms(autonomy and recognition of Donbas, recognition of Crimea, No Nato, denazification) it can still be ended right now if Zelenskyy realizes that he's lost the Donbas, lost Crimea, the south will be lost entirely too and so will Kharkov. If he acts quickly enough he may retain Odessa and Kharkov but it does not seem like he will, not that he doesn't want to, he simply won't be allowed to. The US by the open admission of many US politicians will fight the Russians to the last Ukrainian. I believe it was congressman Schiff several years ago that said "we are fighting them(the Russians) in Ukraine so that we do not have to fight them at home" It is truly sad what is happening in Ukraine and to the Ukrainian people but what is even sadder is that there are still people that have been propagandized and brain washed to no end(including our genius friend Douglas Murray) and still believe the western media/MIC/establishment narrative and this only serves to further the suffering of the Ukrainian people(and to be clear ethnic Russians in Ukraine are ALSO Ukrainians who have been fighting a civil war since the US supported coup of 2014). Shame on you Douglas Murray, shame on you for being so bloody narrowminded and obtuse and failing to just open up a history book do some proper research to see that all of this is well documented and out there for anyone to see if only they had the integrity to examine the other side of the coin and not buy what they've been sold by the media wholesale. I mean this man fought a war against the leftist media for 5-6 years missing no opportunity to call them out on their lies yet now suddenly parrots their whole narrative without question. What a fool!
When values are forced upon people, they are no longer values but edicts. The problem with traditional Western values is that they are stuck in the past in a world that is changing and as the world (and the West) changes, the people that are a part of it change in what they want, feel and believe.
It would be interesting to hear him elaborate on his description of the US as the most important country in the world. I think this point was always followed by a full stop in this particular interview
Madeleine Albright referred to the US as "the indespensible nation", not sure if it was before or after her illegal war against Serbia and her confession on 60 minutes to starving 500,000 Iraqi children to death saying "we believe it was worth it"
It's starts with being no1 and the default currency of the world, also the largest military in the world. But most importantly having a constitution that protects people. They are, along with france imo, the country that upholds that foundations of the west.
It was and is. The US has had a defining role in the world, from the second World War to post-Cold War era. It has the biggest military, a currency the world hold as reserves, and the country other countries can depend with from countries like China and Russia. Just see how China and Russia now, not taking any chance on their expansion. They're afraid of the US and its NATO allies. (Russia is taking the chance now on Ukraine for the very reason the US has a weak president and Ukraine have not been a NATO member). It's pretty clear they're the best, or supposed to be.
@@Nick-18 yet they were more than happy to force people out of jobs and stop them from participating fully in life by barring them from restaurants? I can’t see how that is upholding liberty or democracy. Your talking past tense.
Such an interesting point of view and I cannot agree more with DM about the ethical nightmare and that racism was the real pandemic. As a citizen of the planet earth, and an Asian living in a European country surrounded by loving European white, yellow, black friends of mine, I would also be completely supporting his idea about not being guilty of the things to do with slavery or colonialism. And I would like to hear more about the reasonable estimation of the disgraceful pasts, if he is to have another interview on Unherd. Thanks for sharing this interview ^^
Minority interests as a focus, are a distraction away from what's going on in the big picture of the world. Depends on how much can afford to be focused on it all. Europeans are not categorized by color, US obsessed about it all. Are a national of a country and that's it. Investigative police identification work, is not brought out into any public open forum. That's a failure in assimilation method.
It's funny that we're supporting neo-nazis then. They sell Azov shirts on Amazon plain as day, not even ashamed about it. Whatever happened to punching nazis?
@@dustinirwin1 people resisting the herd and pushing back against ethnic decline of European nations tend to be longer term and more practical thinkers than those who are too empathetic to resist.
@MsChitterchat Mearscheimer is certainly the oft quoted darling du jour...he's naïve, and ignores everything that has transpired since the mid 90s. He's easily refuted by those living in Eastern Europe, and especially the more recent NATO member states. Putin's plan was to invade; hedged in and threatened by NATO expansion is merely the excuse.
From my perspective, Douglas makes a very good point about people wanting a reasonable view of their history, in which they are allowed to have some some pride, rather than be kicked round for past injustices they never perpetrated. He objects to the rising notion that whites must continually self-denigrate in order to prove their appreciation of others. Freddie wastes no time in tying Douglas' defense of rational, self-regard to a Putinesque type of cultural backlash characterized by a masculine sense of fearless cultural superiority. Strikes me as a cheap stretch. Just because people are unwilling to be masochists, does not make them bullies. Good for Douglas for pushing back. As a young woman my soft-hearted openness and inclusivity drew me towards ideals the left seemed to profess. But it was my love of truth that matured me towards a more conservative world view. Of course, there are good people of all stripes and in all walks, but I found more vitriol, more mean-spirited schadenfreude and more intellectual dishonesty and irrationality on the left than I ever witnessed in conservative circles. Refusal play the masochist for cultural approval does not make one a bully. The real bullies are those who try to belittle and shame others into submission. The courage to stand up to bullies does not come from masculine arrogance as Freddy seems to suggest - it comes from a love of the truth and goodness - attributes that are not exclusive to men.
I completely disagree with the added closing statement of Freddie Sayers' after having concluded this extremely interesting interview, without Douglas Murray having the possibility to respond: Putin's rapacious war in Ukraine has NOTHING to do with what Douglas Murray is beautifully & fact-based & logically arguing in his book, no matter how many times, since the very beginning of the interview, Freddie had tried to push such treacherous idea. Unheard of stratagem, if you ask me, when considering an otherwise honest interview.
@@MrCod18 Agreed up to a point: In this interview Freddie had a twisted, obscure argument to push through (starkly evident at 47:49 to 48:42 [Freddie's hidden agenda from the start of his dishonest interview, to which he returns at the crucial closing of his interview] ) ... AND Douglas' polite response [48:43 to 48:57 ] : “I don't regognize the list you just gave out. The list you just gave out IS NOT the list I would give out. It`s... say... a distorted version of the list that I would say of what needs to be recaptured [by the west]”. Then, Freddie tries to push his twisted argument yet again, interrupting Douglas' rebuttal and shifting his twisted argumentation dishonestly [49:03 to 49.20 ], a move to which, of course, Douglas responds irately afterwards. FURTHERMORE, Freddie's EDITED OPENING of the clip with the words of Douglas Murray taken out of context [00:00 to 00:13] TOGETHER WITH his EDITED ENDING mentioned in my previous response [59:52 till end], plus the above mentioned FACTS clearly evidence my position: Freddie couldn't logically argue his obscure plan to trash Douglas Murray excellent essay, “The War on the West”, loaded with verifiable facts as always, so he edited the clip like a typical woke would do. By pumping his obscure, twisted lie, Freddie willfully contributed to making our society stupider and more vulberable (using Douglas' own words). I have unending contempt for Freddie in this case (again using Dougla's own words). I am glad it totally backfired, despite Freddie's dishonest edition of the interview (and wonder whether some of Dougla's answers might not have been edited as well). Otherwise, it was quite an interesting interview: Douglas is a brilliant orator with an excellent command of the English language and I share all of his fact-based arguments, well-written book after well-written book.
I spent a year in UK and I was thrilled about how ironic and cynical were some of the British people I met. Whenever I listen/watch Freddie, I love such cynical tricks he uses to ambush the interviewee.
@@enriquechesuq875 I doubt whether it was just a “trick” (though “cynical” it might have been... :) In my view, Freddie had a point to make, which he wasn´t able to argue fairly with Douglas. Thus his editing of the clip, adding those momentous thoughts of Douglas' at the beginning (which triggered many social justices' comments who probably didn´t even watch the whole of the interview afterwards), and his own personal view at the end. Freddie wouldn´t have altered the clip in such way if he had succeeded in getting his point across. It is in that sense (honesty), that I like Peter Whittle interviews better: Unedited and raw, without adding nor taking away any words from the interviewee, wouldn´t you agree?
'The right' aren't saying Putin's the all-round bees knees - only that he is adding weight to the other pan of the scales, which is much-needed just now.
How is it much needed for the people of Ukraine who he's slaughtering based on idiotic rationale? Nor any person who wants an alternative perspective promoted in Russia. All opposition is jailed
@@TheLouisisawesome Ukraine is slaughtering their own people, with swastika flags you moron. The entire internet is censored from exposing this reality. You are on the wrong side, sir.
I've not fallen for Putin just find it shocking and horrific we are training, funding and arming the Azov and theres no mention of it. They're committing genocide and torture.
Some countries in the west (please...you're bound to know which countries I'm referring to) have taken an active interest in destabilising other countries for a myriad of reasons, for example due to these countries possessing rich resources or due too to their geographic location...ring a bell? It is time to discuss the horrors of colonialism and face up to wealth being built upon the misery, misfortune and control of other nations...it's not just due to a series of bad decisions by the people of those nations. How condescending!
i am speaking on be have decimaiting russian asian minorites soldiers in ukraine constitute ethnic cleansing four taimes more killed then from slavic regions moscov one to eight draft is aimed a t reducingthe population of indigenous people exploit lands natural resources they been been plundering for ever
I truly respect and admire Murray for his astute observations, depth of knowledge, and of course his wit. However, this Ukraine fever which has gripped all spectrums of erudite philosophy has shown me many of the wisest among us in the West have this strange blind spot when it comes to Putin. As a child of the 80s, I grew up with Rambo, Red Dawn, and the pride of our apparent win in the cold war. I say apparent because I am no longer so sure we did win, but that is another topic. Now, I was still rather young when the Berlin Wall collapsed, though I do remember Roger doing his typical hypocritical thing of this bleeding heart pseudo-socialist capitalizing on a golden moment for his opus to make headlines again. Though young, I fully understood the magnitude of what was happening and why grown men were crying whilst hacking at the concrete. When the Soviet Union collapsed, I too understood the gravity of that. What I remember most about the next couple years, in this context, was the absolute nightmare nearly every Russian was living in. I heard about people being hungry, where a wheelbarrow of rubles would likely not get that loaf of bread that day. I heard stories of unbelievable spikes in violent crime. I heard one could go to Russia and buy ANYTHING for just a little bit of American dollars, be it a nuclear attack sub, or an 11 year old girl strung out on god knows what. What I was too young and naïve to understand then, was that the powerful among us who had long worked to hunt the Russian bear was responsible for much of this. At a certain point in my life, not that long ago really, I came to understand the Soviet Union was not the only super power to subject it's citizenry to propaganda; we too had long been subjected to our own Pravda. If Trump succeeded at anything, it was waking millions to this. So for the last six years, as we watched our benevolent "news" organizations flat out lie to us time and time again about everything consequential, be it Russia! Russia! Russia!, Sandman, Juicy, that it's perfectly fine to start grooming your child to become the opposite sex because at 3 years old they said they were a boy and not a girl as the doctor at the delivery had "guessed" and putting them on puberty blocking hormones (used off label, of course) is a great idea cause kids never make poor decisions, especially when they have no idea what any of it means but you get to be such a highly virtuous parent now, no matter we know nothing about the long-term effects and certainly they can change their mind at any time and puberty will pick up where is was put on hold and your son will certainly not be stuck in a state of permanent pre-adolescence, or if they want to chop their breasts off at 14, well they can just get new ones later if need be... but I digress. "Mostly peaceful" protests. Covid will not spread if you congregate to peacefully burn down police departments. The vaccine that is so effective we had to redefine what a vaccine is. Etc., etc, etc. Then Putin decides to invade without any just cause and for the first time in years, all the "mews" networks, establishment Republicans and Democrats, and even George Sorros himself all seem to be reading from the same script. Russia bad! Russia incompetent! Putin is only starting with Ukraine, next it's the other areas lost when the Soviets fell because he has always dreamed of reconstituting the Soviet Union. Putin very bad man! To my utter amazement and horror, everyone who was quite aware of the daily lies for the last six years , suddenly believe everything these constant liars spout without question. Seriously? Has everyone learned nothing? Oh look, more censoring of opinions they don't like. As we all know, you only censor that which you fear, such as the truth. Then it hit me: What if my whole life since 1998 I had been imbibing a super frequent and favorite propaganda drink called, "Villain Vladimir"? What if everything mentioned about new-Hitler is more like a caricature? So I decided to look around for some non-cathedral approved information. I learned quite a bit which seems much more plausible than the corporate media nonsense, which I am decidedly saddened to see Mr. Murray seems to be reflexively regurgitating. It turns out, Putin is not a dictator, at least not in the traditional sense. He has always been democratically elected. Not by 98%, like a dictator, but at times 54%. Putin seems to be very popular in Russia. But how, if he is Hitler and murders his competition and terrorizes the populace? Well, during those dark years after our cold war "win", we did not behave like the virtuous spreaders of democracy we always have claimed to be. We were over there getting our just desserts, a feeding frenzy on the carcass of the Russian bear. Those Russians selling us front row tickets to the greatest show on earth, "America rapes and pillages a defeated nation" quickly became the oligarchs. It seemed like we would get our 60 or 70 year old wish, Russia would become the crown jewel in our empire and the latest and greatest big little colony. But someone there stood up and actually stopped us. Putin, who contrary to popular myth, while indeed in the FSB, was never any great spy chief. While in the KGB, he did not run any spy rings, or any assets. He was a back office paper-pushing attorney. But apparently, one of the few who was not corrupt, and thus rose quickly through the ranks. He was not enriching himself by allying with the West to sell out his country. Quite the opposite in fact. He seemed to believe in something we would recognize - his country and its people. He detailed a plan on mot only halting the destruction of Russia by the West, but making Russia great again. Where have I heard that before? When he was tapped to be president, he wasted no time. He told the oligarchs they could remain and keep all their new money if they stopped stripping wealth for the West and paid a flat 10% tax, and stayed out of politics. Some left, many stayed. They could continue building wealth as long as it was in a manner that also benefitted the struggling people. He was amazingly effective a this task. In no time, Russia's economy stabilized, and peoples lives began to vastly improve. Most blue collar workers now have more wealth than ever before. Naturally, we did not take too kindly to this, and thus, Putin the villain was born. And oh, how we hate this man for not playing ball, and so the villainy ensued. Early on, Putin told Clinton maybe Russia could join NATO now. Clinton said Hell No! We had perhaps the one great moment to do something truly great. Help, rather than rape Russia, and earn an extremely great and important ally. But alas, we chose not to. After all, how can NATO continue to exist if Russia is a member? Compared to many of his contemporaries, Putin was quite pro-western. He grew up right after WW2, or the "Great War" as the Russians know it. In fact, the Great War lies deep in the subconscious or every Russian. Putin remembers the city he grew up in, St Petersburg, the most pro-Western city in Russia, decimated as a kid. People ate rats to survive for 5 years. Putin learned a deep-seeded fear of war. One can visit the mass graves near many of the cities the Germans tried to take. Football field sized mas graves, 20,000 Russians buried in each, stretching out to the horizons. He even got a Western education in law. So as NATO continuously inched closer around it's borders, Putin was not paranoid to see the West was up to the same old games. He had said for years Ukraine joining NATO would be crossing a red line. He saw the writing on the wall. He took steps to insulate the Russian economy against our favorite weapon, sanctions, even though they never seem to work. I don't recall them working in Iran even though they said any day now, the mullahs will be thrown out. All they seem to do is turn the populations against us. Funny how all the stories which periodically popped up in places like the New York Times over the last 8 years or so talking about Ukraine's Neo-Nazi problem, nobody seemed to recall those now. I am not saying Putin is a good guy, or any of that. But why do so many of these people that are so smart, educated, historically knowledgeable, and keen on so many issues we face today suddenly turn into idiots when it comes to Putin and not recognize at least some of what they think about him and his motives were implanted by these globalist types because he will not bow to their whims. Same reason they hate Orban, Mr. Murray, does Russia not have a right to self-defense at it's own borders against an existential threat? How many nations have we invaded in the last 30 years on the same precepts? Did we not lie to invade Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Lebanon, etc? Mr. Murray, should Russia allow the Azov battalions to shell and slaughter Russian speakers for the last 8 years in the Donbass, ignoring the Minsk accords? Mr. Murray, is it OK we orchestrated the 2014 coup and let Victoria Nuland to pick and choose which Neo-Nazis to put in key positions in the Zelensky regime? Mr. Murray, should we continue doing everything we can think of to prolong this war Ukraine has no chance of winning, or even never did, ensuring only more Ukrainians are slaughtered and preventing Zelensky from coming to terms with Russia, which pretty soon there will be nothing left of Ukraine, the most corrupt place in all of Europe, where Biden and many others are up to all kinds of corrupt enterprises; where we are running 20 or 30 bio weapons research labs even though we banned them?
It's a war of attrition, and it is despicable for the collective West to continue feeding this monstrous conflict at the expense of the Ukraine people and the world.
Thank you for articulating what I was too lazy to write. I find Douglas to be an annoying blowhard who seems incapable of faulting the West for its many faults, then and now. War is profitable, like vaccines.
@@angiekitson-harris4257 - When you are as intelligent as Douglas Murray, you have every right to be arrogant. Its part of his charm, and makes him the maverick that he is! Cancel culture is so passe' darling.
@JE AN Your opinion of his intelligence and charm aside, nothing about his lived experience makes him any sort of authority on racism in America, regardless of whether he's become a US citizen recently. He's a privileged, white Brit who is welcome to his opinions, yet I find him the least credible speaking on such matters. His having made and produced Prager U videos makes him highly questionable for me.
@@jasminealixandranorth He knows the truth of how western civilization came to dominate the world and some nonsense about mathematics and science being the reason (as if those two are solely the domain of the west) certainly doesn't make him sound intelligent. Rambling fool would be more appropriate
This war has been going on for 8 bloody years, 14,000 dead BEFORE the invasion. The Russian minority gets constantly shelled particularly by the ruthless NeoNazi group AZOV BATTALION armed by Nato. The NeoCons should never ever of backed the coup against the ELECTED government of Ukraine 8 years ago that started this nightmare off. The NeoCons destroyed the Middle East and they will end up destroying Europe. Please watch the documentary up on Rumble called UKRAINE ON FIRE
When straight to the comments as I thought this video would be a waste of time. No media outlet in the UK wants to go back in history to fully understand why Putin attacked the Ukraine
@@thenewmayorofcrazytown7392 Western Ukrainians backed by the US have murdered men, women and children in the Donbass region for the last 8 years, killing 14000 people. Since last year, Ukrainian army with the Nazi group the Azov Battalion have increased their shelling in the Donbass region, knowing it would provoke the Russians to invade. Again, this increase of bombing was from the diktat of the US and NATO.
9. After 2004 attempts to pull Ukraine into the western sphere of influence were short lived. Yanukovich who was forced to re-do the election after winning the first time round in 2004 won a second time in 2010 and this time there was nothing they could do...until 2014 that is, with the euromaidan unrest and coup that followed. Yanukovich was ousted unconstitutionally and only just got out of Ukraine alive after his limo was attacked. 7 of his government officials were found dead, at first claimed to be suicides but subsequently 5 of which were suspected murders. The US had a clear hand in all of this as we now have a phone call interception between Victoria Nuland then undersecretary of state and Geoffrey Pyatt US ambassador to Ukraine discussing who should take over as prime minister after the coup. Their voice recording was published on Feb 8th the coup occurred 2-3 weeks later. After the coup Yatsenyuk the person Victoria Nuland thought should be the one to take over did in fact become prime minister of Ukraine. These recordings can readily be found online along with countless other bits of evidence proving US meddling in the affairs of Ukraine. Since 2014 Ukraine has become a de facto member of Nato with several thousand troops being trained by Nato operators to Nato standards in Ukraine every year. the US since 2014 and up until the war had provided 2.7 Billion in military aid to Ukraine. We can add a few more billion since as well as the 13.4 billion promised for various other things which you are sure to find with minimal digging will be mostly plundered by corrupt US and Ukrainian politicians. After all Ukraine was known as the money laundering country of choice for many western interest groups including POTUS himself and his son. Evidence for this is very hard to miss. 10. Zelenskyy who was elected as an outsider with the promise of seeking out peace in the Donbas shortly after did a 180 on his promise in no small part due to the fact that he simply could not control the ultranationalists and neo nazis who were now substantive fixtures in the Ukrainian military. He was funded by a Ukrainian Oligarch(kolomoisky) who owned the channel that aired the hit series in which Zelenskyy played a teacher who ended up becoming president of Ukraine. Only Hollywood can come up with a scenario like this however this is not make believe this really did happen. Anyone who does not find all of this incredibly suspect might want to have their sanity checked. Kolomoisky also funded the Azov Battalion. Zelenskyy is just a coked up fool, a useful idiot of you will who has the acting chops to play the part he was given. That part was to stall any and all attempts at peace, violate the Minks ceasefire agreements, go full steam ahead with Nato accession and only a week before the invasion ramp tensions up even further with talks of acquiring nuclear weapons(his secretary of state had made a similar statement a year prior). 11. Following the dissolution of the soviet Union Russia sought out assurances that Nato would not expand eastward in order to preserve stability in the region. The US promised they would not yet only 5 years later violated their promise and in the decade that followed admitted no fewer than 14 former soviet nations into Nato in effect encircling Russia despite their frequent protestations to this. Finally Russia drew a red line with Georgia and now Ukraine. The belligerence of Nato in this regard is unprecedented, and to think that this war could have been avoided had the US left well enough alone as countless level headed western politicians and intellectuals had warned(including Kissinger, Prof. Mearsheimer, and many others). This is just a small sampling of the situation in Ukraine showing that Russia was given no other choice in this and that with mathematical precision Ukraine and the west at every turn did exactly what was required to bring us where we are right now. It could have been prevented years ago by simply abiding by the Minsk agreement, it could have been prevented a year ago by avoiding Nato accession talks, it could have been done a week before the invasion by not talking about nuclear weapons, it could have been avoided a week after by agreeing to Russia's terms(autonomy and recognition of Donbas, recognition of Crimea, No Nato, denazification) it can still be ended right now if Zelenskyy realizes that he's lost the Donbas, lost Crimea, the south will be lost entirely too and so will Kharkov. If he acts quickly enough he may retain Odessa and Kharkov but it does not seem like he will, not that he doesn't want to, he simply won't be allowed to. The US by the open admission of many US politicians will fight the Russians to the last Ukrainian. I believe it was congressman Schiff several years ago that said "we are fighting them(the Russians) in Ukraine so that we do not have to fight them at home" It is truly sad what is happening in Ukraine and to the Ukrainian people but what is even sadder is that there are still people that have been propagandized and brain washed to no end(including our genius friend Douglas Murray) and still believe the western media/MIC/establishment narrative and this only serves to further the suffering of the Ukrainian people(and to be clear ethnic Russians in Ukraine are ALSO Ukrainians who have been fighting a civil war since the US supported coup of 2014). Shame on you Douglas Murray, shame on you for being so bloody narrowminded and obtuse and failing to just open up a history book do some proper research to see that all of this is well documented and out there for anyone to see if only they had the integrity to examine the other side of the coin and not buy what they've been sold by the media wholesale. I mean this man fought a war against the leftist media for 5-6 years missing no opportunity to call them out on their lies yet now suddenly parrots their whole narrative without question. What a fool!
I'm a fan of Douglas, but I don't care for his condescending attitude on the Ukraine conflict. Yes, we know Russia produces propaganda. But the West can do it just as well, if not better. If you're going to dismiss half of the right as gullible fools, maybe try to make a more substantive argument than "Putin Bad".
There are literally THOUSANDS of hours of substantive arguments on TH-cam on this topic. Did you actually try to understand any of them? Did you ever, for example, listen to Anne Applebaum and learned a tiny bit of history for that part of Europe. Do you understand, that since world war 2, Russia was THE ONLY power on the continent that either suppressed or openly warred against its neighbors. Since WW2, not one European county invaded its neighbor - except Russia. Does that matter to you at all? Or do you just want to be in opposition? Maybe this is a chance to unite liberals and conservatives around a worthy cause? But if not, then you're exactly the person Murray writes about. You see, he understands that what ukraine is fighting for is actually most conservatives' dream. It's a Christian country that wants to live in democracy and free markets. It struggled, yes. Corruption was rampant. But it was getting better. Putin is simply a chauvinist and a tyrant, throwing a tantrum.
Western media is not monolithic. It consists of many voices, often opposing each other. Russian media is a single Putin-controlled machine, with zero opposition. It’s the main reason why Russia had a single de-facto leader since the start of the century. In the same period United States had 5 presidents, with fierce political fighting between them.
Agreed - A sound mind. (Also the point of free speech) But Ukraine / Russia maybe is a reach for his talents? It's a recent (in this particular moment in time) war But there is so much more behind it, fog of war is brutal right now Putin = Bad sure, but don't provoke, then prod, then push the Bear, it'll react
@@SashaSantosScott provoke the bear? How did Afghanistan provoke Russian? How did Chechnya provoke Russia? How did Syria provoke Russia? How did Azerbaijan provoke Russia? How did thousands of civilians that are being killed, raped, and forcefully migrated to Russian provoke Putin? Dictator does what he wants, then he applies propaganda & disinformation to cement his "objective" reasons for doing so. This idea that someone provoked Russia is ludicrous because now Finland and Sweden are both joining NATO. If Russian didn't do shit, they would not see NATO for another century 'cus nobody would ever take Ukraine into NATO.
It’s not a matter of “falling for” Putin. It’s simply about recognizing that anyone, an individual or country, has the right to defend itself. Period! Understanding this doesn’t seem difficult to me. Why is it so difficult for intellectuals like Murray? I agree with him nine times out of ten but occasionally he gets it very wrong.
Putin uses our weaknesses against ourselves in the West. We may see that, but it does not make it right to invade others. Putin is a dangerous and power-hungry man. The West needs to wake up and re-connect with Protestantism Christianity, rather than Russian Orthodoxy, which can be corrupted at the top.
Steven that is a perfect statement. You are very correct. It is sad that most are being manipulated by the media and the politicians. We need to be focusing on China and not the 16th largest economy in the world
Has it? We used to have a real politique attitude to larger nations and military spheres of influence. Just because Russia is no longer the ussr it doesn't mean they are not a significant military danger
Re it being our good management / way of life that has produced good rather than luck - this sounds like the ending of Middlemarch: "for the growing good of the world is partly dependent on unhistoric acts; and that things are not so ill with you and me as they might have been, is half owing to the number who lived faithfully a hidden life, and rest in unvisited tombs."
It's strange, most people don't even know this war has been going on for 8 bloody years, 14,000 dead BEFORE the invasion. The Russian minority gets constantly shelled particularly by the ruthless NeoNazi group AZOV BATTALION armed by Nato. The NeoCons should never ever of backed the coup against the ELECTED government of Ukraine 8 years ago that started this nightmare off. The NeoCons destroyed the Middle East and will end up destroying Europe. Please watch the documentary up on Rumble called UKRAINE ON FIRE
In 6 months, when it's clear what the majority of the right believes, he'll firmly take that position. See: every single one of his positions on controversial topics.
Heroic desire.... Come on Douglas, they enacted a law that no man could leave Ukraine within 1 day of invasion, would you need to enact that law if everybody had a heroic desire?. Your usually a great reader of conflict
This is part of the problem. Anyone who is not for the war has fallen for Putin. Disappointed to hear this rhetoric from the well respected Murray. I would never support Zelensky or the extreme right wing Militia of Ukraine who we are backing to the tune of billions. I can recall 1983 when Maurice Bishop, Premier in Grenada was ousted from leadership by USA because he was getting too friendly with the Cubans and Soviets. America went in because the Soviets were getting too close to their “backyard” as it was phrased by Reagan at the time. This was backed by UK as everyone understood it was too close to US for comfort. There has been very little attempt at peace and way too much enthusiasm for war and backing Zelensky without any questions being asked.
Totally agree. There has been very little talk about how to de-escalate, but rather chest beating. It's not about how bad Putin is, but what can be done to find peace - with Russia and within Ukraine itself. Murray surprised me too. I remember the Iraq ii war - the bad dictator was used, along with fake weapons of mass destruction lies to shock and awe a country into a bloody war. I don't think Iraqis appreciated the west's help then either. The military aid being sent to Ukraine will kill many Ukrainians and others, and reduce their country further to rubble. I do wonder that if the hot conflict was in the western countries who are keen to escalate war with Russia, there may be less enthusiasm. The price of war is so high - it's not a movie.
Sweden, Finland and Ukraine want NATO membership, which should not happen. The security of my U.S. home is not enhanced by the expansion of NATO. I want to place our bloated government on a diet, and one step is to reduce our foreign entanglements.
Why shouldn't Sweden, Finland but even Ukraine and Georgia enter whatever organisation they democratically choose to join? Independent countries have the right to selfdetermination and neither US nor Russia should influence such decisions. Not least by starting a bloody barbarric war.
I am often concerned for both the hyperbolic iconoclasm of so-called “left” culture warriors but also the idolatry of conservatives and the right wing. And how both positions don’t bring clarity. Ironically both play into propaganda that serve a very small elite which we protect from scrutiny. As a Left Progressive I am upset that the New York council would take down a Jefferson statue because of what I see as an exaggeration of Jefferson’s racism in regards to those of African descent. It is usually doesn’t have nuances like the fact that Jefferson actually proposed that colonialist should inter-marry with native Americans. Or the fact that he attempted to abolish slavery. I have even seem some make him the equal to Hitler which is an irresponsible assertion. Instead the New York council should expand the Jeffersonian ideal and claim that affordable housing in NYC is a Human Right, if you read his writing you can easily draw this conclusion. On the other hand I have seen conservatives provide a very fake idolatrous version of Jefferson, most glaringly lies of omission, for example omitting that Jefferson was very anti-monopoly and very often anti-capitalist. It can be best said he was for very small types of capitalism that of the yeoman farmer and not the monopolist. And he certainly was not against redistributionist towards greater equality, striving for equal land distribution and free public education prove he was very much interested in public welfare. Ironically in this one controversy the Left shoots them selves in the foot by smearing a past left hero, while many on the right believe an exploitive capitalist myth. I believe an HONEST look at Jefferson would actually serve both the right and the left population because he was a truly exceptional statesman that wrestled with difficult issue based on a coherent set of values and shared principles. I believe this about a lot of history. I have a certain type of conservativism as a progressive because the West does have a unique 500 year progressive history. You might say from Martin Luther to Martin Luther King Jr.
Hear, hear! I absolutely agree that the West is undergoing an OVER CORRECTION to its traditional colonialist views; for example, extremist identity politics replacing the glorification of the British Empire in the UK. I don't see the extreme right wing and the extreme left as being polls apart - they bear much in common; intolerance, of course, but there are actual overlaps in their beliefs - for example, a lot of anti semitism is promoted by the extreme left Momentum movement in the UK.
Correction,Norway(7,900 MMbbl) has vastly less energy supplies than Venezuela (303,800 MMbb) not the same at all.They just as you said made good decisions.
14:00 One Brit asking another Brit: "Would you rather be born in Britain or in China in the 21st century?" And the answer is "I would rather be born in Britain". A genious question and the answer.
I would point out that the Jewish population of Christian Europe since about 400 a.d.,would have been safer in China or India just to avoid the consistent round of social hostility and massacre.The holocaust happened in the heart of the said Christian Europe.
@@harryfineberg5075 The Jews would have been safer in China ? The treatment of Uyghurs, Tibetans, Fa Lun Gong, Mongols and Tai-Kadai/Mon-Khmer/Tibeto-Burmese minorities evoques what for you ?
@@harryfineberg5075 yes we should make a revision of values in West Impires..and not childish reductive comparisons .Our west present political sistem, funtions more like maffia than a democracy....organised crime its the model of the leading forces now..it looks like they d kidnap our supposely democratic states...and we ,comun fellows, are feeding their never ending greed ...the democratic christian west powers, doestn have any christian principle at all , alllways creating wars and suffering to build an allmighty power ..with no competition , no limit..no conciousness...without making at least some revision of the past history...OTAN , Europe, the Wars, sucking resources from Africa South America, Asia etc without worriing on the metods....leaders of the imperial countries just made enemies, because of their greed, inflicting suffering in others to feed the wealthy of the winners...EEUU...never stopping horror wars in the name of freedom...big decadence, rotten roots....time to really look in the mirror...Its so hard to accept a multipolar world.??Wouldnt that stops the never ending greed an accumulation of power that leaded us to this complete caotics times ?
Well, the reason we don't see the same "self-loathing" in Russia and China is because media and freedom of speech is way more restricted... Besides, China has enjoyed a great increase in living standards. People are willing to put up with a lot if they are safe and comfortable.
.... how on earth can you possibly believe such nonsense.... Our entire cultural/academic aparatus has been carrying out demoralization innitaives in order to destabilize western populations. This is a requisite to establishing a world government. Another key component of the overarching stratagem is demographic weaponization against white people in their own nations. On facet of this is the total overhauling of western culture whilst prohibiting participation from whites. The rapidity of these culture/societal shifts alone is enough to create atomization and loathing. Go read thre white papers of these global elite organizations, they have been documenting their plans fot decades - even centuries. They have been writing and discussing demographic replacement since the early 1800s lol. Everything can be found in club of rome documents, typically in the early 20th century. Read a book? China and Russia enact diametric opposite inniatives. Media and freedom of speech? My God man! Open your damn eyes Honestly it would take a full dissertation to detail all of the relevant factors at play.. im just astonished by your comment.. amongst others under this video.
Are you serious? Our speech and thought here is almost as restricted in China. When one side of a story or narrative is allowed is what weakened the west and created the self loathing.
You don't see this kind of self-hatred in any other countries outside of the West. Nothing to do with censorship. This SJW ideology is purely a western product.
I ve taught many a Chinese adult in my German as a foreign language classes, and they all speak incredibly highly and uncritically of their home country.
@@stefanieastrid half programming for sure, but in conjuction with the totally organic veneration of ancestors, and therefore, their people. It is n a t u r a l for ppl to venerate their ancestors and wish the best for their people. Which is why, the current state of the west is so alarming; inorganic detriment that does not arive naturally in the collective consciousness of a people... it must be PLACED their from external means/forces.
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it's funny how people in the west fell for iraq, syria, yemen, libya, somalia, afghanistan lies and now don't recognise that the exact same thing is happening with ukraine. it's amazing how gullable people are.
What lies?
The Russian lies in Ukraine? If you genuinely believe this war is justified you're beyond saving
NATO has been bullying and threatening Russia for decades. Western oligarchs starved and robbed Russia blind after WW2, and Russia was western oligarch's prostitute. Just like western oligarchs travel to Ukraine now to get easy access to girls, organs, etc. This channel is a disgrace now, just another propaganda outlet.
When the US military kills civilians by the hundreds of thousands, it's "fine and dandy"; but when the Russian military kills civilians ... by the thousands....it proves that they're EVIL MONSTERS.
@@TheLouisisawesome i didn't say it was either justified or unjustified. I was saying that once again everyone in the west is brainwash about what is going on.
Mr. Murray is good. Everyone needs to buy his books.
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God made murray so that we can laugh at him.
As usual, Mr. Murray is spot on and absolutely right on the issue.
EXCEPT AT 8 MIN IN WHEN HE SAID 60% OF AMERICANS WOULD LEAVE USA IF INVADED BY RUSSIA. NO ONE, ABSOLUTLY NO ONE BELIEVES THAT
@@growingweedisfordummies4190 Yeah that’s probably true maybe except for some blue state Utopias like Seattle.
I am broadly in agreement with what Douglas says. I am sick and tired of my country and other Western democracies beating themselves up about things that I, born shortly after WW2, and most others alive today had no part in
But Western culture ad society has benefitted from it and still benefits from it. And is currently resentful that they are losing those benefits that they have not earned but treat it as their privilege to be maintained
@@davidsphere What benefits, specifically?
@@offensivediscourse8514 Well, the number one benefit is that you think you have the right to feign ignorance and ask such a ridiculous question as if it were a legitimate enquiry.
Just open your eyes and take a look around your immediate vicinity. You see all you take for granted without question? If you cannot then you are stupid.
Then step out of your mothers basement and walk around your Western society, preferrably with your eyes and ears open, take it in and you learn more of the benefits
Now switch on the TV and see how the West treats the rest of the non-western world.
Too much for you?
Your "gaming" is just more factious Western arrogance which only serves to dig the West further into the putrid pit you made for yourselves.
May I suggest? Stop the ignorant arrogance and you will find you may have STOPPED the digging.
But I know I am wasting my time
The avoidance of taking advice from anyone but the Western self is one of your cherished "benefits"
@@davidsphere And yet, certain countries, totally devastated after WW2, got their act together and are now highly developed countries. Hard work and focus. Think Japan and Singapore. Even China .
@@mkkrupp2462 "Got their act together?" Is that how you see it from the Western history books you have been reading?
Absolutely nothing in your mind to do with the exploitive tactics of the West?
You know, those tactics which the West are now projecting upon the Chinese and accusing them of doing to the West.
Like my father would say to me when someone took advantage of others "Good for one, good for all"
Something to do with living in the Nottingham area, I guess :)
Centrist leaning people like myself really need this man and his positions. Thank you for the interview and thank you Douglas Murray for carrying the torch for some semblance of reason in the current political discourse.
I think imagining that the west is in some way following Russia culturally is absolutely ridiculous and a typical western attitude that fails to realise that Russian people have a completely different culture, world view and history.
Always enjoy watching Freddie but he completely and utterly lost me towards the end there.
Many people in the US, mostly Trumpists, admire Putin because he is "manly", hates gays, shoots bears, has kept Russia "white", promotes religion and "family values" and so on. They are not that different.
I was surprised at Murray's simplistic take on this, surprisingly uninformed about the last 100 years of history in the area.
@@ohsweetmystery Murray has become a communist.
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He is taking Up a lot of Oxygen in the cultural debate
Yet knows so little
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When a comedian like Russell Brand has a better researched and articulate take on geopolitical issues and medical tyranny than a serial mental masturbator like Murray, then you know you are a shill.
I put Murray in a category similar to Sam Harris. They were brilliant back in their day but have become increasingly irrelevant as their opinions became mainstream,milk toast regurgitation of establishment talking points
If you’re going to ignore everything before Feb 24, 2022 …this makes perfect sense.
Not at all. Igor Girkin started the war back in 2014, he acknowledged that he had Russian backing and he shot down a passenger plane:
He stated:
"I sparked the flames of war, war is happening in the East because of me"
So the entire conflict was started by the Russians even if you go back beforehand.
@@WinstonSmithGPT This is such emotional claptrap. The 14,000 dead number you state includes Ukrainian Soldiers, DNR Soldiers and civilians. Igor Girkin, the FSB Russian stooge who committed war crimes in Bosnia admitted he started the war with Russian help. So essentially it is known that Russia started the war back in 2014 by their OWN ADMISSION.
As far as Banderism, Putin promoted that and anti-Russian sentiment by annexing Crimea, waging economic war on Ukraine in 2013 and trying to corrupt Ukrainian politics with Yanukovych. The road your talking about ... how is that justification for slaughter and massacre of civilians? Maybe Mississipi should have been invaded or the South of the US should be invaded for having some confederate statues by that logic.
NATO has been bullying and threatening Russia for decades. Western oligarchs starved and robbed Russia blind after WW2, and Russia was western oligarch's prostitute. Just like western oligarchs travel to Ukraine now to get easy access to girls, organs, etc. This channel is a disgrace now, just another propaganda outlet.
@@TheLouisisawesome I agree, he seems to have twisted the views of a few to justify his argument . . . I gave up at 26:00
9. After 2004 attempts to pull Ukraine into the western sphere of influence were short lived. Yanukovich who was forced to re-do the election after winning the first time round in 2004 won a second time in 2010 and this time there was nothing they could do...until 2014 that is, with the euromaidan unrest and coup that followed. Yanukovich was ousted unconstitutionally and only just got out of Ukraine alive after his limo was attacked. 7 of his government officials were found dead, at first claimed to be suicides but subsequently 5 of which were suspected murders. The US had a clear hand in all of this as we now have a phone call interception between Victoria Nuland then undersecretary of state and Geoffrey Pyatt US ambassador to Ukraine discussing who should take over as prime minister after the coup. Their voice recording was published on Feb 8th the coup occurred 2-3 weeks later. After the coup Yatsenyuk the person Victoria Nuland thought should be the one to take over did in fact become prime minister of Ukraine. These recordings can readily be found online along with countless other bits of evidence proving US meddling in the affairs of Ukraine. Since 2014 Ukraine has become a de facto member of Nato with several thousand troops being trained by Nato operators to Nato standards in Ukraine every year. the US since 2014 and up until the war had provided 2.7 Billion in military aid to Ukraine. We can add a few more billion since as well as the 13.4 billion promised for various other things which you are sure to find with minimal digging will be mostly plundered by corrupt US and Ukrainian politicians. After all Ukraine was known as the money laundering country of choice for many western interest groups including POTUS himself and his son. Evidence for this is very hard to miss.
10. Zelenskyy who was elected as an outsider with the promise of seeking out peace in the Donbas shortly after did a 180 on his promise in no small part due to the fact that he simply could not control the ultranationalists and neo nazis who were now substantive fixtures in the Ukrainian military. He was funded by a Ukrainian Oligarch(kolomoisky) who owned the channel that aired the hit series in which Zelenskyy played a teacher who ended up becoming president of Ukraine. Only Hollywood can come up with a scenario like this however this is not make believe this really did happen. Anyone who does not find all of this incredibly suspect might want to have their sanity checked. Kolomoisky also funded the Azov Battalion. Zelenskyy is just a coked up fool, a useful idiot of you will who has the acting chops to play the part he was given. That part was to stall any and all attempts at peace, violate the Minks ceasefire agreements, go full steam ahead with Nato accession and only a week before the invasion ramp tensions up even further with talks of acquiring nuclear weapons(his secretary of state had made a similar statement a year prior).
There's countless other bits of evidence that shows that Russia was given no other choice in this and that with mathematical precision Ukraine and the west at every turn did exactly what was required to bring us where we are right now. It could have been prevented years ago by simply abiding by the Minsk agreement, it could have been prevented a year ago by avoiding Nato accession talks, it could have been done a week before the invasion by not talking about nuclear weapons, it could have been avoided a week after by agreeing to Russia's terms(autonomy and recognition of Donbas, recognition of Crimea, No Nato, denazification) it can still be ended right now if Zelenskyy realizes that he's lost the Donbas, lost Crimea, the south will be lost entirely too and so will Kharkov. If he acts quickly enough he may retain Odessa and Kharkov but it does not seem like he will, not that he doesn't want to, he simply won't be allowed to. The US by the open admission of many US politicians will fight the Russians to the last Ukrainian. I believe it was congressman Schiff several years ago that said "we are fighting them(the Russians) in Ukraine so that we do not have to fight them at home" It is truly sad what is happening in Ukraine and to the Ukrainian people but what is even sadder is that there are still people that have been propagandized and brain washed to no end(including our genius friend Douglas Murray) and still believe the western media/MIC/establishment narrative and this only serves to further the suffering of the Ukrainian people(and to be clear ethnic Russians in Ukraine are ALSO Ukrainians who have been fighting a civil war since the US supported coup of 2014). Shame on you Douglas Murray, shame on you for being so bloody narrowminded and obtuse and failing to just open up a history book do some proper research to see that all of this is well documented and out there for anyone to see if only they had the integrity to examine the other side of the coin and not buy what they've been sold by the media wholesale. I mean this man fought a war against the leftist media for 5-6 years missing no opportunity to call them out on their lies yet now suddenly parrots their whole narrative without question. What a fool!
“There is a type of cynicism .... which is cynical about everything other than the thing it ought to be most cynical about”
Finally, we’ll articulated what I’ve known for years. I see it growing in people close to me around me, people I had otherwise respected and admired for their supposed intelligence and political maturity
His late friend Roger Scruton said something similar about one of the root causes of this type of thinking.
“A writer who says that there are no truths, or that all truth is 'merely relative,' is asking you not to believe him. So don't. Deconstruction deconstructs itself, and disappears up its own behind, leaving only a disembodied smile and a faint smell of sulphur.”
It should be "scepticism" not cynicism.
So that is a good quote, but the reason people are cynical and skeptical of the mainstream Western narrative should be quite apparent. The press and many Western leaders have worked around the clock to earn that impression.
The people falling for the same post-modern thinking they rage so much about…
So the left is accussing the right while the right is accussing the left and the rest of us are done with both of them lol
Two groups that have completely infantilized
themselves such that nothing is ever their fault and everything is the fault of those they disagree with. A pox on both their houses.
Every individual must weigh up for themselves what is truth! And if they are not sure, then they must at least openly hear both sides of the argument before judging.Turning a deaf ear to both sides of the argument is not the ignorance that is bliss!!
Don't follow the Elephant or Donkey...follow the only one that matters and can truly save you. Follow the Lamb! Repent and be saved!
@@Gunslinger_Disciple as a student of history i have seen where that path lies as well and our country was founded upon the principle of a separation of church and state for a reason.
The left is totally behind Ukraine, it's the right that has fully supported Putin. Even libertarians are behind Ukraine which shows they have turned into communists. The communist organization NATO is trying to spread bolshevism.
The last time I heard a discussion on cultural appropriation there was one white American and 6 women from countries around the world. They went on and on how white people should not ever use fabric even from any other non western country. But not a single one of them was wearing fabric or clothes from their own culture. Every last one was wearing MY cultures clothing!
We’re the women from around the world speaking English? :-)
@@richardgoodley7845 Yes they were!
Their only goal is to destroy our culture
Pride has a way of blinding people to their faults and double-mindedness.
Challenging to interview someone with such knowledge, intelligence, and logic. Regardless, Douglas Murray is able to bring out the key messages with humility and…aplomb.
We are all better for it.
The American regime change policy in Ukraine had nothing to do with Putin's actions?? Come on Douglas, do better.
He did write a book entitled, neo conservatism why we need it. A leopard never changes its spots
You're denying the Ukrainians any agency in this matter. That's ridiculous. You overestimate US power and completely deny the ability of Ukrainians to make up their own minds on their own freedom. They are fighting for themselves or do you buy the Putin kool-aid that they are brainwashed Nazis and willing to die for it?
What about Ukraine being set up as a western puppet criminal cartel/vassal state? What about the transgenser k-12 programs enacted since 2014, the slaughtering of ethnic russians in the east for 8 years?
Everytime i hear anyone talk about this issue, my head explodes, these ppl must be literal androids; scripts and coding instead of brains and souls?
Yeah this channel is now basically a propaganda outlet for western intelligence.
@@danielwatts796 exactly
Douglas talks and writes about what interests him, as is his right, but it has been surprising to see so many public intellectuals avoid talking about the Covid madness, much less offer any resistance. Theodore Dalrymple is another one who has been disappointing in this regard.
Douglas has written volumes about Covid, and the madness attendant therein. Maybe you haven't read it....
Agreed monsieur! Murray has said sod all about lockdowns and the mandates. He only piled on some comments about Trudeau and the convoys. Who didn’t? Murray is on the hustings ( the new mainstream media) flogging his wares. Easy to bang yer chops, even easier to do fuck all.
@@johnvannewhouse I haven't read these 'volumes' for the simple reason that they don't exist.
@@monsieurlewop or...You're not looking for them.
@@johnvannewhouse could you cite a few of them? I haven’t found anything beyond his baseline pontifications about vaccines and lockdowns. I’d love to indulge in his work.
The swift and coordinated pro-Ukraine focus of the media is one thing. The extraordinary permission given to say, among other things, Kill Putin is quite another, and caused me to reflect on my initial response to the conflict.
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With all due respect, I don't require any special permission to type DEATH TO PUTIN
Why? He's a mass murderer. I think it;'s totally fine, because more than likely it's simply people venting their frustration at our helplesness.
Hard to know what the right thing to do about Putin & his Kremlin regieme is?
- his aggressive war in Ukraine has to be defeated or he'll just try further aggression
- he certainly must be contained in his own borders - his neighbours (like Ukraine) shouldn't have to be vassal states
- but regieme change in Russia may be a step too far? - & is probably not possible?
A psychopath with nukes... Who kills opponents, with nasty stuff like Novichok... Who wouldn't want to get rid of him, one way or another? hmmm
@@mattyb859 can't disagree with you morally - BUT in the real world we're likely to have to negotiate with Putin ... & wishing him dead isn't going to help with that
Here in the UK, we First got the Brexit BS; then the Kofid BS; now the "Nasty Russian" BS! Total Media Co-ordination...
Why you (and many others) seem to think there's an obvious logical link underpinning all those three issues in a way that almost seems to imply some sort of common conspiracy, I have no idea.
Worse, the idea that there are necessarily clear-cut "sides" on which everyone must stand on all three issues.
And all of you defenders of Russia fail to see the point of view of those peripheral people of empires. Be it China, Russia, or Turkey...
They do all they can (like joining NATO, looking West...) to escape being vassals or slaves of their own imperialist foes.
The gullible have fallen for an oversimplified narrative of good versus evil, where they just happen to be on the good side
I wont pretend to know much about what is going on in Ukraine nor defend Putin but my gut instinct tells me there is more to it in a bigger sense politically.
True, but then again you could say the same thing about every single other country, province, state, city, town, municipality, company, university, store, family and individual around the globe.
You're one of the gullible idiots on the right that Douglas is referring to.
There is! The war started eight years ago. When the Donbas region voted to be independent. They’ve face constant shelling from Ukraine over those eight years and there’s been over fourteen thousands deaths. The bbc did a documentary about the frightening rise of n azis there. Now suddenly they don’t mention it. The Ukrainian army primarily AZ of brigade have been using the civilians as human shields. Why would Russia kill people who they’ve now gone in to Ukraine to defend. There is no logic in MSM blatant lies.
There is much that is being purposefully concealed by media in the west. We're essentially back to cold war era propaganda on all sides, though the west has been the winner in the misinformation of its own population this time around.
I remember the Iraq war lies and shock and awe, then ISIS. So my guy instinct thinks there's more going on. I don't think the west's "superior" qualities have necessarily immunised them from looking after their own interests (whoever those powerful people are).
Excellent point by Douglas Murray, asking why we in the West should be shy about proclaiming that we have a successful culture. But i would say, Douglas, that it is not rank and file americans who are trying to negatively rewrite our history but rather klaus schwab in his efforts to overthrow the united states
I would be curious to hear what DM has to say about the 8-year war in the Dombas prior to Russia's invasion into Ukraine.
Yes, 16000 Russians living in the dombass who were killed by the right wing Ukrainian military
Yes, 16000 Russians living in the dombass who were killed by the right wing Ukrainian military
He hasn't a clue. If the UK government was violently overthrown by Londoners, then this 'government' starting waging war and bombing Cardiff because the Welsh want nothing to do with that...
That's inconvenient truth, which DM can't handle. No go there for him 🙄
Nothing, because he admits to knowing NOTHING about the topic.
But, as log as we are here: Putin shelled Donbass. See how easy that was? you know how I know? Because between Ukraine and Russia at the time, Russia was the only country with actual army and artillery units.
I’m cynical about democracy in the west. Is that foolish of me?
Its imperfect for sure but where else is it done better?
- 'democracy is the worst form of government, apart from all the other kinds that have been tried from time to time' - Churchill - sums it up realistically for me.
@@fraserct533 it’s always going to be imperfect yes, but now it’s absolutely corrupt, the west is behaving no better than tinpot african dictatorship. In fact in Africa it’s better than here, last time I went ..
@@another1498 surpised to hear that take ... where in Africa would you say democracy functions less corruptly than in any Western country? ... BTW ... fair warning ... I live there 😁
@@fraserct533 namibia
@@fraserct533 I mean just look what’s happened in Canada….doesn’t seem much like democracy. Just look what Austrian government tried to do.
In China, there has been a famous for the last 10 years or so saying: "Criticising the USA is work (as in assigned by the government) and moving to the USA is life (as in where the Chinese want to live and work)". In fact, my Chinese colleagues/friends were so confused why foreigners wanted to live and work in China when "every Chinese, rich or poor, wants to get out," according to them because it's a country that allows very little freedom for its residents.
I also was met with this question when I lived and worked in China. 'But whyyyyyy??'
Nice anecdotal story. I can understand why one might not want to live under suthoritatianism, but that is no reason to want to live in the usa. It is no freer.
@@ZambeziKid greetings, I humbly propose that living in US is very different from negative mainstream media point of view. If one Works smart and hard, one can get ahead and given time build a safe and comfortable life. Yes, some are racist, I’ve seen and heard it. But I’ve also seen many successful poc.
@@ZambeziKid You are severely misinformed if you actually believe that.
On Talktv tonight they interviewed a Ukrainian woman employed in China, who is currently in lockdown in Shanghai, she confirmed the stories about the balcony 'music' and all the other stuff we've seen. It's her intention to pack her stuff and get out of China as soon as possible.
I count myself as an ignorant working class man, brought up with liberal views (in the old sense of the word). Douglas has a knack of expressing what many of us think but often can’t explain. A rare diamond in the swathe of middle class commentators these days.
In 2015, why did Muslim men from the middle east and Africa leave their homes without women and children?
The only thing i like about Putin is that he seems to be against globalization
And he’s supported the re-instatement of the Orthodox Church and reduced the number of abortions in Russia.
I like that he stands against western hegemony.
Agreed. He has thrown a spanner in the WEF authoritarian body and attacking the western establishments crime capital that is Ukraine. So that good quite frankly
What I don't like about this channel is there's 3 replies to your comment, but only one (from ZambeziKid) is visible.
@@ryanschwan2507 odd to us normal for censor gods
Hard to think of a more important topic for us to discuss. If Western error correcting social technologies (science, democratic institutional packages and norms, open inquiry and expression) go down, humanity's deep future goes down. Looking forward to reading this book Cheers lads.
Dude thrs a whole world out there.humanity is more than just the 'west'.here in the east ,our culture has survived since 3000BC.we are not gonna tie our fates with the 'WEST' n its version of the future n go down just coz European n Christian values have been eradicated.In all these discussions i smtimes feel that ppl forget that thrs a lot more 'humanity' on this planet.its very self important n self centered
Britain is producing the best, next generation, interview-style content creators in the alt-media. I have high hopes for the careers of Freddie, Chris Williamson, and others.
PS Douglas Murray is on the short list of Best Guests.
What is Douglas Murray's opinion on the Great Reset, the WEF and Klaus Schwab? It is a topic he has been carefully avoiding.
Douglas wants to remain clubbable, so he will never discuss these topics in public.
Murray is controlled opposition..
He's a gatekeeper for the status quo, but you've asked a great question.
He's a NeoCon.
yeah because hes not a schizo, why would he bother with that pshycobabble
what's so sad really, is that in this all, innocent people are being affected and killed. it's time humans took a long and hard look at that
This is essentially "The west is the best" - lecture!
So, a truth lecture ?
If we are considering from what continents and what countries people are migrating in searching better life, then it is from East to West and from South to North (that means to West in cultural sense) not vice versa.
The gullable right has fallen for the neo-cons
Again!
Is putin a neocon?
Douglas is a vary good listen
I have to say that after the debacle of COVID management, I would much rather have followed aboriginal thinking on how to stay healthy. Public Health is hardly the bastion of science and progress.
Whenever I hear Douglas has a new book coming out, I know he is going to do the rounds on podcasts and other shows. Douglas Murray is one of a handful of people who consistantly go for the jugular when it comes to the insanity we have all been watching our respective nations going through.
Can't wait to buy his new book. Getting a copy first thing on payday!
Bonus points if you get the audible versions he narrates himself. The new book is excellent.
It's interesting that the people on the right who are anti-putin are almost always jewish zionists.
A most excellent audiobook!
Great interview. I think it's safe to say that Douglas had had it with the dystopian wokeness that ails society. Preach brother, preach! Hope his message makes people people realize that we must all oppose the insanity however we can.
It’s just too bad that Douglas is one of the brave few that are speaking out against this issue - no one that is from America wants to talk about it
Much agreed! Murray is courageous and that’s what we need more of. The current ideology of woke-ism leads to narcissism, ingratitude, historical ignorance, and self-righteousness, not to mention racism (in the traditional sense). I hope to see more people come to the fray and challenge woke-ism, the world will be a better place when these ideas are in the dustbin and it’s promulgators ignored.
What the f is "dystopian wokeness"? Stop abusing English
Yes, the part about woke weirdos is true. But it’s certainly not the Right making those asinine comments. It’s the LEFT????!! Why does he keep saying the Right is at fault, the right this and that??. The LEFT are adding sexual literal to kindergarteners, the LEFT is saying white people are guilty of every bad thing and racist against everyone….everything that has happened with riots etc…is all from liberal believers. What is he even talking about??? Is he ok???
HE ALSO SAID THAT A POLL SHOWS 60% OF AMERICANS WOULD LEAVE THE USA IF INVADED BY RUSSIA. LIKE WHO TAKES POLLS IN AMERICA. BC IVE NEVER ANSWERED ONE
reading the comments is a true pleasure
Great work Freddie. It is a treat listening to you and your ideas Douglas. Many thanks.
Wait until China aligns with Russia and brings in India. Would love to see where Douglas's take on Western superiority ends up then. Also the West has long abandoned the principles that made it special, guess Douglas didn't notice.
He wrote a fkng book about it.
What are you talking about?
India wont align with China in any meaningful way. In the absence of effective opposition by the West, India will be strategically smart. But at heart India is democratic and cannot be their ally.
@@StaalBurgher0
India HATES China and kicked their asses recently in their northern territories...
9. After 2004 attempts to pull Ukraine into the western sphere of influence were short lived. Yanukovich who was forced to re-do the election after winning the first time round in 2004 won a second time in 2010 and this time there was nothing they could do...until 2014 that is, with the euromaidan unrest and coup that followed. Yanukovich was ousted unconstitutionally and only just got out of Ukraine alive after his limo was attacked. 7 of his government officials were found dead, at first claimed to be suicides but subsequently 5 of which were suspected murders. The US had a clear hand in all of this as we now have a phone call interception between Victoria Nuland then undersecretary of state and Geoffrey Pyatt US ambassador to Ukraine discussing who should take over as prime minister after the coup. Their voice recording was published on Feb 8th the coup occurred 2-3 weeks later. After the coup Yatsenyuk the person Victoria Nuland thought should be the one to take over did in fact become prime minister of Ukraine. These recordings can readily be found online along with countless other bits of evidence proving US meddling in the affairs of Ukraine. Since 2014 Ukraine has become a de facto member of Nato with several thousand troops being trained by Nato operators to Nato standards in Ukraine every year. the US since 2014 and up until the war had provided 2.7 Billion in military aid to Ukraine. We can add a few more billion since as well as the 13.4 billion promised for various other things which you are sure to find with minimal digging will be mostly plundered by corrupt US and Ukrainian politicians. After all Ukraine was known as the money laundering country of choice for many western interest groups including POTUS himself and his son. Evidence for this is very hard to miss.
10. Zelenskyy who was elected as an outsider with the promise of seeking out peace in the Donbas shortly after did a 180 on his promise in no small part due to the fact that he simply could not control the ultranationalists and neo nazis who were now substantive fixtures in the Ukrainian military. He was funded by a Ukrainian Oligarch(kolomoisky) who owned the channel that aired the hit series in which Zelenskyy played a teacher who ended up becoming president of Ukraine. Only Hollywood can come up with a scenario like this however this is not make believe this really did happen. Anyone who does not find all of this incredibly suspect might want to have their sanity checked. Kolomoisky also funded the Azov Battalion. Zelenskyy is just a coked up fool, a useful idiot of you will who has the acting chops to play the part he was given. That part was to stall any and all attempts at peace, violate the Minks ceasefire agreements, go full steam ahead with Nato accession and only a week before the invasion ramp tensions up even further with talks of acquiring nuclear weapons(his secretary of state had made a similar statement a year prior).
There's countless other bits of evidence that shows that Russia was given no other choice in this and that with mathematical precision Ukraine and the west at every turn did exactly what was required to bring us where we are right now. It could have been prevented years ago by simply abiding by the Minsk agreement, it could have been prevented a year ago by avoiding Nato accession talks, it could have been done a week before the invasion by not talking about nuclear weapons, it could have been avoided a week after by agreeing to Russia's terms(autonomy and recognition of Donbas, recognition of Crimea, No Nato, denazification) it can still be ended right now if Zelenskyy realizes that he's lost the Donbas, lost Crimea, the south will be lost entirely too and so will Kharkov. If he acts quickly enough he may retain Odessa and Kharkov but it does not seem like he will, not that he doesn't want to, he simply won't be allowed to. The US by the open admission of many US politicians will fight the Russians to the last Ukrainian. I believe it was congressman Schiff several years ago that said "we are fighting them(the Russians) in Ukraine so that we do not have to fight them at home" It is truly sad what is happening in Ukraine and to the Ukrainian people but what is even sadder is that there are still people that have been propagandized and brain washed to no end(including our genius friend Douglas Murray) and still believe the western media/MIC/establishment narrative and this only serves to further the suffering of the Ukrainian people(and to be clear ethnic Russians in Ukraine are ALSO Ukrainians who have been fighting a civil war since the US supported coup of 2014). Shame on you Douglas Murray, shame on you for being so bloody narrowminded and obtuse and failing to just open up a history book do some proper research to see that all of this is well documented and out there for anyone to see if only they had the integrity to examine the other side of the coin and not buy what they've been sold by the media wholesale. I mean this man fought a war against the leftist media for 5-6 years missing no opportunity to call them out on their lies yet now suddenly parrots their whole narrative without question. What a fool!
I can see Douglas in a sweat shop on a production line knocking out my next iPhone for 16 hour shifts😂😂😂
The Grayzone is better than Unherd on Ukraine.
Yes, very disappointing
The Daily Wire also joined the mainstream here.
Everybody who confirms my bias = Good |
Everybody who doesn't = Bad.
@@ctesociety9552 The past two years AT LEAST have shown us clearly: Assume the opposite of the "mainstream media" and you are as close to the truth as you can get.
You do know that ALL of their lies have been exposed but "our side" was never wrong?
Truth is not what you believe but what really happens.
Grayzone is only one side.
Great interviews start with great guests. Thank you for your talk with Douglas Murray.
Thank you! Ken Burns recently had a documentary on Ben Franklin that was an excellent example of being prideful of Franklin’s achievements while exposing his faults. May reason prevail!
Ben Franklin didn't have any skeletons in his closet.
He kept them in the basement.
That was a poor attempt at a joke, but also factual.
Freddie is one of the best interviewers of our time
@Anya Wale ok.
... due to ?
It was easy to admire Russia from a distance because they had a leader that put the Russians first. While we had eight years of the Obama World Apologies tour.
World apologies tour? That is what you call starting more illegal wars than any predecessor?
‘Put Russians first’. Hmm. Tell that to the journalists who have disappeared and the political prisoners. Putin has his vision for Russia and demanded and compelled everyone to subscribe to that vision. If that’s putting Russia first, then yes, he did. PS - I’m indifferent when it comes to Obama or other US politicians, at the end of the day, if they do bad they can and should be voted out of office.
Only if you choose to ignore the poisoning of political opposition, and having failed to murder this opposition the imprisonment of said opposition.
Here comes your paramour attacking a prior satellite state to Russia that wishes to not be under its yoke.
What is there to admire ?
@@palimpalim5291 How you got that from my comment boggles the mind.
That's a very polite way to say "global drone campaign". Obama talked a good game but foreign policy-wise he was more of the same.
Besides, Russia's current pathetic war performance shows why self-criticism is a pretty smart thing to do.
Douglas Murray = Sanity
Rare to be able to hear a rational, logical and brilliant mind! Thank you, Freddie, for your courage to support free speech, an absent value from the "empty wasteland" I have witnessed our culture become over 60 years.
Wow, every comment critical of this propaganda video has been deleted or downvoted. Well done unheard.
Trump dealt with Putin with NO war in Ukraine, No impending nuclear conflict, inflation at 2%, gas at 2.3 USD/gallon.
WHO IS GULLIBLE HERE?
Rare indeed
Still waiting🤭
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It's interesting that the people on the right who are anti-putin are almost always jewish zionists.
Gary Player once said, "The harder I work, the luckier I get".
Slave owners said something similar they said the harder they work the luckier I get
Aha!
I know it's not popular at the moment unheard but it would be good if you published or interviewed the right Douglas is misunderstanding and let them speak for themselves. Daryl Cooper (martyr made) John mearshimer or Pedro Gonzalez can hardly be called gullible fools.
NATO has been bullying and threatening Russia for decades. Western oligarchs starved and robbed Russia blind after WW2, and Russia was western oligarch's prostitute. Just like western oligarchs travel to Ukraine now to get easy access to girls, organs, etc. This channel is a disgrace now, just another propaganda outlet.
Haven't watched the video yet but ANYONE who parrots the ideas of others claiming them as their own because they lack the ability to form cognitive thoughts without prompting...are gullible fools...
UnHerd its coverage of the Ukraine conflict is rather lopsided. I haven't seen a single "gullible" right winger or realist being interviewed on this channel.
John Mearshimer isn't on the right according to his own words, please see his speech on the liberal hegemony. Also that's not who Doulas was speaking about, perhaps you should read his book.
9. After 2004 attempts to pull Ukraine into the western sphere of influence were short lived. Yanukovich who was forced to re-do the election after winning the first time round in 2004 won a second time in 2010 and this time there was nothing they could do...until 2014 that is, with the euromaidan unrest and coup that followed. Yanukovich was ousted unconstitutionally and only just got out of Ukraine alive after his limo was attacked. 7 of his government officials were found dead, at first claimed to be suicides but subsequently 5 of which were suspected murders. The US had a clear hand in all of this as we now have a phone call interception between Victoria Nuland then undersecretary of state and Geoffrey Pyatt US ambassador to Ukraine discussing who should take over as prime minister after the coup. Their voice recording was published on Feb 8th the coup occurred 2-3 weeks later. After the coup Yatsenyuk the person Victoria Nuland thought should be the one to take over did in fact become prime minister of Ukraine. These recordings can readily be found online along with countless other bits of evidence proving US meddling in the affairs of Ukraine. Since 2014 Ukraine has become a de facto member of Nato with several thousand troops being trained by Nato operators to Nato standards in Ukraine every year. the US since 2014 and up until the war had provided 2.7 Billion in military aid to Ukraine. We can add a few more billion since as well as the 13.4 billion promised for various other things which you are sure to find with minimal digging will be mostly plundered by corrupt US and Ukrainian politicians. After all Ukraine was known as the money laundering country of choice for many western interest groups including POTUS himself and his son. Evidence for this is very hard to miss.
10. Zelenskyy who was elected as an outsider with the promise of seeking out peace in the Donbas shortly after did a 180 on his promise in no small part due to the fact that he simply could not control the ultranationalists and neo nazis who were now substantive fixtures in the Ukrainian military. He was funded by a Ukrainian Oligarch(kolomoisky) who owned the channel that aired the hit series in which Zelenskyy played a teacher who ended up becoming president of Ukraine. Only Hollywood can come up with a scenario like this however this is not make believe this really did happen. Anyone who does not find all of this incredibly suspect might want to have their sanity checked. Kolomoisky also funded the Azov Battalion. Zelenskyy is just a coked up fool, a useful idiot of you will who has the acting chops to play the part he was given. That part was to stall any and all attempts at peace, violate the Minks ceasefire agreements, go full steam ahead with Nato accession and only a week before the invasion ramp tensions up even further with talks of acquiring nuclear weapons(his secretary of state had made a similar statement a year prior).
11. Following the dissolution of the soviet Union Russia sought out assurances that Nato would not expand eastward in order to preserve stability in the region. The US promised they would not, yet only 5 years later violated their promise and in the decade that followed admitted no fewer than 14 former soviet nations into Nato in effect encircling Russia despite their frequent protestations to this. Finally Russia drew a red line with Georgia and now Ukraine. The belligerence of Nato in this regard is unprecedented, and to think that this war could have been avoided had the US left well enough alone as countless level headed western politicians and intellectuals had warned(including Kissinger, Dr Mearsheimer, and many others).
This is just a small sampling of the situation in Ukraine showing that Russia was given no other choice in this and that with mathematical precision Ukraine and the west at every turn did exactly what was required to bring us where we are right now. It could have been prevented years ago by simply abiding by the Minsk agreement, it could have been prevented a year ago by avoiding Nato accession talks, it could have been done a week before the invasion by not talking about nuclear weapons, it could have been avoided a week after by agreeing to Russia's terms(autonomy and recognition of Donbas, recognition of Crimea, No Nato, denazification) it can still be ended right now if Zelenskyy realizes that he's lost the Donbas, lost Crimea, the south will be lost entirely too and so will Kharkov. If he acts quickly enough he may retain Odessa and Kharkov but it does not seem like he will, not that he doesn't want to, he simply won't be allowed to. The US by the open admission of many US politicians will fight the Russians to the last Ukrainian. I believe it was congressman Schiff several years ago that said "we are fighting them(the Russians) in Ukraine so that we do not have to fight them at home" It is truly sad what is happening in Ukraine and to the Ukrainian people but what is even sadder is that there are still people that have been propagandized and brain washed to no end(including our genius friend Douglas Murray) and still believe the western media/MIC/establishment narrative and this only serves to further the suffering of the Ukrainian people(and to be clear ethnic Russians in Ukraine are ALSO Ukrainians who have been fighting a civil war since the US supported coup of 2014). Shame on you Douglas Murray, shame on you for being so bloody narrowminded and obtuse and failing to just open up a history book do some proper research to see that all of this is well documented and out there for anyone to see if only they had the integrity to examine the other side of the coin and not buy what they've been sold by the media wholesale. I mean this man fought a war against the leftist media for 5-6 years missing no opportunity to call them out on their lies yet now suddenly parrots their whole narrative without question. What a fool!
Of course, I could go on and on about the brilliance and courage of Douglas, but I will just leave it with, thank you, thank you for this man!
When values are forced upon people, they are no longer values but edicts. The problem with traditional Western values is that they are stuck in the past in a world that is changing and as the world (and the West) changes, the people that are a part of it change in what they want, feel and believe.
Freddie, you are a great interviewer.
It would be interesting to hear him elaborate on his description of the US as the most important country in the world. I think this point was always followed by a full stop in this particular interview
Madeleine Albright referred to the US as "the indespensible nation", not sure if it was before or after her illegal war against Serbia and her confession on 60 minutes to starving 500,000 Iraqi children to death saying "we believe it was worth it"
Well it's the largest economy in the world and has one of the most military and political bodies.
It's starts with being no1 and the default currency of the world, also the largest military in the world. But most importantly having a constitution that protects people. They are, along with france imo, the country that upholds that foundations of the west.
It was and is. The US has had a defining role in the world, from the second World War to post-Cold War era. It has the biggest military, a currency the world hold as reserves, and the country other countries can depend with from countries like China and Russia. Just see how China and Russia now, not taking any chance on their expansion. They're afraid of the US and its NATO allies. (Russia is taking the chance now on Ukraine for the very reason the US has a weak president and Ukraine have not been a NATO member). It's pretty clear they're the best, or supposed to be.
@@Nick-18 yet they were more than happy to force people out of jobs and stop them from participating fully in life by barring them from restaurants? I can’t see how that is upholding liberty or democracy. Your talking past tense.
For the majority in America who are financially disadvantaged, why stay and fight? Let the rich kids, who have something to defend, do the wet work.
If someone is not willing to fight for their country, why would you want them in yours?
Such an interesting point of view and I cannot agree more with DM about the ethical nightmare and that racism was the real pandemic. As a citizen of the planet earth, and an Asian living in a European country surrounded by loving European white, yellow, black friends of mine, I would also be completely supporting his idea about not being guilty of the things to do with slavery or colonialism. And I would like to hear more about the reasonable estimation of the disgraceful pasts, if he is to have another interview on Unherd. Thanks for sharing this interview ^^
Minority interests as a focus, are a distraction away from what's going on in the big picture of the world. Depends on how much can afford to be focused on it all. Europeans are not categorized by color, US obsessed about it all. Are a national of a country and that's it. Investigative police identification work, is not brought out into any public open forum. That's a failure in assimilation method.
Go back please.
It's funny that we're supporting neo-nazis then. They sell Azov shirts on Amazon plain as day, not even ashamed about it. Whatever happened to punching nazis?
@@dustinirwin1 you don't know me.
@@dustinirwin1 people resisting the herd and pushing back against ethnic decline of European nations tend to be longer term and more practical thinkers than those who are too empathetic to resist.
Watch John Mearsheimer University of Chicago on Russia, US and NATO.
@MsChitterchat Mearscheimer is certainly the oft quoted darling du jour...he's naïve, and ignores everything that has transpired since the mid 90s. He's easily refuted by those living in Eastern Europe, and especially the more recent NATO member states. Putin's plan was to invade; hedged in and threatened by NATO expansion is merely the excuse.
Ah yes, you ARE a perfect specimen of the people Douglas speaks about.
@@lembergnative7731 the NeoCons are the problem. They destroyed the Middle East and will destroy Europe.
You mean the same guy that swore up and down that Putin was.....and I quote "too smart" to invade Ukraine?
From my perspective, Douglas makes a very good point about people wanting a reasonable view of their history, in which they are allowed to have some some pride, rather than be kicked round for past injustices they never perpetrated. He objects to the rising notion that whites must continually self-denigrate in order to prove their appreciation of others. Freddie wastes no time in tying Douglas' defense of rational, self-regard to a Putinesque type of cultural backlash characterized by a masculine sense of fearless cultural superiority. Strikes me as a cheap stretch. Just because people are unwilling to be masochists, does not make them bullies. Good for Douglas for pushing back.
As a young woman my soft-hearted openness and inclusivity drew me towards ideals the left seemed to profess. But it was my love of truth that matured me towards a more conservative world view. Of course, there are good people of all stripes and in all walks, but I found more vitriol, more mean-spirited schadenfreude and more intellectual dishonesty and irrationality on the left than I ever witnessed in conservative circles.
Refusal play the masochist for cultural approval does not make one a bully. The real bullies are those who try to belittle and shame others into submission. The courage to stand up to bullies does not come from masculine arrogance as Freddy seems to suggest - it comes from a love of the truth and goodness - attributes that are not exclusive to men.
I completely disagree with the added closing statement of Freddie Sayers' after having concluded this extremely interesting interview, without Douglas Murray having the possibility to respond:
Putin's rapacious war in Ukraine has NOTHING to do with what Douglas Murray is beautifully & fact-based & logically arguing in his book, no matter how many times, since the very beginning of the interview, Freddie had tried to push such treacherous idea. Unheard of stratagem, if you ask me, when considering an otherwise honest interview.
Well I'm sure Freddie aware he's not perfect, but he's the best damn interviewer I've seen in long time.
@@MrCod18 Agreed up to a point: In this interview Freddie had a twisted, obscure argument to push through (starkly evident at 47:49 to 48:42 [Freddie's hidden agenda from the start of his dishonest interview, to which he returns at the crucial closing of his interview] ) ... AND Douglas' polite response [48:43 to 48:57 ] :
“I don't regognize the list you just gave out. The list you just gave out IS NOT the list I would give out. It`s... say... a distorted version of the list that I would say of what needs to be recaptured [by the west]”.
Then, Freddie tries to push his twisted argument yet again, interrupting Douglas' rebuttal and shifting his twisted argumentation dishonestly [49:03 to 49.20 ], a move to which, of course, Douglas responds irately afterwards.
FURTHERMORE, Freddie's EDITED OPENING of the clip with the words of Douglas Murray taken out of context [00:00 to 00:13] TOGETHER WITH his EDITED ENDING mentioned in my previous response [59:52 till end], plus the above mentioned FACTS clearly evidence my position:
Freddie couldn't logically argue his obscure plan to trash Douglas Murray excellent essay, “The War on the West”, loaded with verifiable facts as always, so he edited the clip like a typical woke would do.
By pumping his obscure, twisted lie, Freddie willfully contributed to making our society stupider and more vulberable (using Douglas' own words). I have unending contempt for Freddie in this case (again using Dougla's own words). I am glad it totally backfired, despite Freddie's dishonest edition of the interview (and wonder whether some of Dougla's answers might not have been edited as well).
Otherwise, it was quite an interesting interview: Douglas is a brilliant orator with an excellent command of the English language and I share all of his fact-based arguments, well-written book after well-written book.
I spent a year in UK and I was thrilled about how ironic and cynical were some of the British people I met. Whenever I listen/watch Freddie, I love such cynical tricks he uses to ambush the interviewee.
@@enriquechesuq875 I doubt whether it was just a “trick” (though “cynical” it might have been... :)
In my view, Freddie had a point to make, which he wasn´t able to argue fairly with Douglas. Thus his editing of the clip, adding those momentous thoughts of Douglas' at the beginning (which triggered many social justices' comments who probably didn´t even watch the whole of the interview afterwards), and his own personal view at the end.
Freddie wouldn´t have altered the clip in such way if he had succeeded in getting his point across. It is in that sense (honesty), that I like Peter Whittle interviews better: Unedited and raw, without adding nor taking away any words from the interviewee, wouldn´t you agree?
'The right' aren't saying Putin's the all-round bees knees - only that he is adding weight to the other pan of the scales, which is much-needed just now.
You mean anti-globalism?
If that's the case why do the Russians and Chinese push it so much?
Clearly they want to weaken us at any cost...
How is it much needed for the people of Ukraine who he's slaughtering based on idiotic rationale? Nor any person who wants an alternative perspective promoted in Russia.
All opposition is jailed
Medvedchuk
@@TheLouisisawesome Ukraine is slaughtering their own people, with swastika flags you moron. The entire internet is censored from exposing this reality. You are on the wrong side, sir.
I've not fallen for Putin just find it shocking and horrific we are training, funding and arming the Azov and theres no mention of it. They're committing genocide and torture.
Some countries in the west (please...you're bound to know which countries I'm referring to) have taken an active interest in destabilising other countries for a myriad of reasons, for example due to these countries possessing rich resources or due too to their geographic location...ring a bell? It is time to discuss the horrors of colonialism and face up to wealth being built upon the misery, misfortune and control of other nations...it's not just due to a series of bad decisions by the people of those nations. How condescending!
You don't name them because you cannot make your point stand up
i am speaking on be have decimaiting russian asian minorites soldiers in ukraine constitute ethnic cleansing four taimes more killed then from slavic regions moscov one to eight draft is aimed a t reducingthe population of indigenous people exploit lands natural resources they been been plundering for ever
of subjaged asians
Brilliant!
Here for the comments
Oh yes politics and medicine never go together
Covid showed the truth about that
I truly respect and admire Murray for his astute observations, depth of knowledge, and of course his wit. However, this Ukraine fever which has gripped all spectrums of erudite philosophy has shown me many of the wisest among us in the West have this strange blind spot when it comes to Putin. As a child of the 80s, I grew up with Rambo, Red Dawn, and the pride of our apparent win in the cold war. I say apparent because I am no longer so sure we did win, but that is another topic.
Now, I was still rather young when the Berlin Wall collapsed, though I do remember Roger doing his typical hypocritical thing of this bleeding heart pseudo-socialist capitalizing on a golden moment for his opus to make headlines again. Though young, I fully understood the magnitude of what was happening and why grown men were crying whilst hacking at the concrete. When the Soviet Union collapsed, I too understood the gravity of that. What I remember most about the next couple years, in this context, was the absolute nightmare nearly every Russian was living in. I heard about people being hungry, where a wheelbarrow of rubles would likely not get that loaf of bread that day. I heard stories of unbelievable spikes in violent crime. I heard one could go to Russia and buy ANYTHING for just a little bit of American dollars, be it a nuclear attack sub, or an 11 year old girl strung out on god knows what. What I was too young and naïve to understand then, was that the powerful among us who had long worked to hunt the Russian bear was responsible for much of this.
At a certain point in my life, not that long ago really, I came to understand the Soviet Union was not the only super power to subject it's citizenry to propaganda; we too had long been subjected to our own Pravda. If Trump succeeded at anything, it was waking millions to this. So for the last six years, as we watched our benevolent "news" organizations flat out lie to us time and time again about everything consequential, be it Russia! Russia! Russia!, Sandman, Juicy, that it's perfectly fine to start grooming your child to become the opposite sex because at 3 years old they said they were a boy and not a girl as the doctor at the delivery had "guessed" and putting them on puberty blocking hormones (used off label, of course) is a great idea cause kids never make poor decisions, especially when they have no idea what any of it means but you get to be such a highly virtuous parent now, no matter we know nothing about the long-term effects and certainly they can change their mind at any time and puberty will pick up where is was put on hold and your son will certainly not be stuck in a state of permanent pre-adolescence, or if they want to chop their breasts off at 14, well they can just get new ones later if need be... but I digress. "Mostly peaceful" protests. Covid will not spread if you congregate to peacefully burn down police departments. The vaccine that is so effective we had to redefine what a vaccine is. Etc., etc, etc.
Then Putin decides to invade without any just cause and for the first time in years, all the "mews" networks, establishment Republicans and Democrats, and even George Sorros himself all seem to be reading from the same script. Russia bad! Russia incompetent! Putin is only starting with Ukraine, next it's the other areas lost when the Soviets fell because he has always dreamed of reconstituting the Soviet Union. Putin very bad man!
To my utter amazement and horror, everyone who was quite aware of the daily lies for the last six years , suddenly believe everything these constant liars spout without question. Seriously? Has everyone learned nothing? Oh look, more censoring of opinions they don't like. As we all know, you only censor that which you fear, such as the truth. Then it hit me: What if my whole life since 1998 I had been imbibing a super frequent and favorite propaganda drink called, "Villain Vladimir"? What if everything mentioned about new-Hitler is more like a caricature? So I decided to look around for some non-cathedral approved information. I learned quite a bit which seems much more plausible than the corporate media nonsense, which I am decidedly saddened to see Mr. Murray seems to be reflexively regurgitating.
It turns out, Putin is not a dictator, at least not in the traditional sense. He has always been democratically elected. Not by 98%, like a dictator, but at times 54%. Putin seems to be very popular in Russia. But how, if he is Hitler and murders his competition and terrorizes the populace? Well, during those dark years after our cold war "win", we did not behave like the virtuous spreaders of democracy we always have claimed to be. We were over there getting our just desserts, a feeding frenzy on the carcass of the Russian bear. Those Russians selling us front row tickets to the greatest show on earth, "America rapes and pillages a defeated nation" quickly became the oligarchs. It seemed like we would get our 60 or 70 year old wish, Russia would become the crown jewel in our empire and the latest and greatest big little colony. But someone there stood up and actually stopped us. Putin, who contrary to popular myth, while indeed in the FSB, was never any great spy chief. While in the KGB, he did not run any spy rings, or any assets. He was a back office paper-pushing attorney. But apparently, one of the few who was not corrupt, and thus rose quickly through the ranks. He was not enriching himself by allying with the West to sell out his country. Quite the opposite in fact.
He seemed to believe in something we would recognize - his country and its people. He detailed a plan on mot only halting the destruction of Russia by the West, but making Russia great again. Where have I heard that before? When he was tapped to be president, he wasted no time. He told the oligarchs they could remain and keep all their new money if they stopped stripping wealth for the West and paid a flat 10% tax, and stayed out of politics. Some left, many stayed. They could continue building wealth as long as it was in a manner that also benefitted the struggling people. He was amazingly effective a this task. In no time, Russia's economy stabilized, and peoples lives began to vastly improve. Most blue collar workers now have more wealth than ever before. Naturally, we did not take too kindly to this, and thus, Putin the villain was born. And oh, how we hate this man for not playing ball, and so the villainy ensued.
Early on, Putin told Clinton maybe Russia could join NATO now. Clinton said Hell No! We had perhaps the one great moment to do something truly great. Help, rather than rape Russia, and earn an extremely great and important ally. But alas, we chose not to. After all, how can NATO continue to exist if Russia is a member? Compared to many of his contemporaries, Putin was quite pro-western. He grew up right after WW2, or the "Great War" as the Russians know it. In fact, the Great War lies deep in the subconscious or every Russian. Putin remembers the city he grew up in, St Petersburg, the most pro-Western city in Russia, decimated as a kid. People ate rats to survive for 5 years. Putin learned a deep-seeded fear of war. One can visit the mass graves near many of the cities the Germans tried to take. Football field sized mas graves, 20,000 Russians buried in each, stretching out to the horizons. He even got a Western education in law.
So as NATO continuously inched closer around it's borders, Putin was not paranoid to see the West was up to the same old games. He had said for years Ukraine joining NATO would be crossing a red line. He saw the writing on the wall. He took steps to insulate the Russian economy against our favorite weapon, sanctions, even though they never seem to work. I don't recall them working in Iran even though they said any day now, the mullahs will be thrown out. All they seem to do is turn the populations against us. Funny how all the stories which periodically popped up in places like the New York Times over the last 8 years or so talking about Ukraine's Neo-Nazi problem, nobody seemed to recall those now.
I am not saying Putin is a good guy, or any of that. But why do so many of these people that are so smart, educated, historically knowledgeable, and keen on so many issues we face today suddenly turn into idiots when it comes to Putin and not recognize at least some of what they think about him and his motives were implanted by these globalist types because he will not bow to their whims. Same reason they hate Orban,
Mr. Murray, does Russia not have a right to self-defense at it's own borders against an existential threat? How many nations have we invaded in the last 30 years on the same precepts? Did we not lie to invade Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Lebanon, etc?
Mr. Murray, should Russia allow the Azov battalions to shell and slaughter Russian speakers for the last 8 years in the Donbass, ignoring the Minsk accords?
Mr. Murray, is it OK we orchestrated the 2014 coup and let Victoria Nuland to pick and choose which Neo-Nazis to put in key positions in the Zelensky regime?
Mr. Murray, should we continue doing everything we can think of to prolong this war Ukraine has no chance of winning, or even never did, ensuring only more Ukrainians are slaughtered and preventing Zelensky from coming to terms with Russia, which pretty soon there will be nothing left of Ukraine, the most corrupt place in all of Europe, where Biden and many others are up to all kinds of corrupt enterprises; where we are running 20 or 30 bio weapons research labs even though we banned them?
It's a war of attrition, and it is despicable for the collective West to continue feeding this monstrous conflict at the expense of the Ukraine people and the world.
Thank you for articulating what I was too lazy to write. I find Douglas to be an annoying blowhard who seems incapable of faulting the West for its many faults, then and now.
War is profitable, like vaccines.
What an excellent response, enjoyed reading and totally agree with your position.
What a comprehensive comment, sadly most people won't dedicate the time to read it all, but it does perfectly elucidate my views too.
Excellent piece Mr Grandis.
Brilliant as always
Well stated, Douglas. Brilliant perceptions.
I'm glad I'm not the only person who is rolling his eyes at this interview.
Me too!! Very arrogant man.
He's a pompous ponce!
@@angiekitson-harris4257 - When you are as intelligent as Douglas Murray, you have every right to be arrogant. Its part of his charm, and makes him the maverick that he is! Cancel culture is so passe' darling.
@JE AN Your opinion of his intelligence and charm aside, nothing about his lived experience makes him any sort of authority on racism in America, regardless of whether he's become a US citizen recently. He's a privileged, white Brit who is welcome to his opinions, yet I find him the least credible speaking on such matters. His having made and produced Prager U videos makes him highly questionable for me.
@@jasminealixandranorth He knows the truth of how western civilization came to dominate the world and some nonsense about mathematics and science being the reason (as if those two are solely the domain of the west) certainly doesn't make him sound intelligent. Rambling fool would be more appropriate
Thank you, I'm looking forward to reading it ... my copies (one for me, one for a friend) are to be delivered tomorrow, can't wait.
Now go get your 6th boostah.
Douglas is superb!
Fabulous 🌻
I am sorry... who is in support of Putin on the right? I must have missed this. This conversation is based on a redherring.
you;d be surprised, unfortunately
This war has been going on for 8 bloody years, 14,000 dead BEFORE the invasion. The Russian minority gets constantly shelled particularly by the ruthless NeoNazi group AZOV BATTALION armed by Nato. The NeoCons should never ever of backed the coup against the ELECTED government of Ukraine 8 years ago that started this nightmare off. The NeoCons destroyed the Middle East and they will end up destroying Europe. Please watch the documentary up on Rumble called UKRAINE ON FIRE
@@lembergnative7731 checkout the documentary up on Rumble called UKRAINE ON FIRE
@@evolassunglasses4673 ah yes, good ole Oliver, sucking Putin's you-know-what. Vomit inducing content.
you should instead watching "Winter on fire"
@@lembergnative7731 who exactly? Tell me so that I am surprised?
When straight to the comments as I thought this video would be a waste of time. No media outlet in the UK wants to go back in history to fully understand why Putin attacked the Ukraine
*went
Same
And why did he then?
@@thenewmayorofcrazytown7392 Western Ukrainians backed by the US have murdered men, women and children in the Donbass region for the last 8 years, killing 14000 people. Since last year, Ukrainian army with the Nazi group the Azov Battalion have increased their shelling in the Donbass region, knowing it would provoke the Russians to invade. Again, this increase of bombing was from the diktat of the US and NATO.
9. After 2004 attempts to pull Ukraine into the western sphere of influence were short lived. Yanukovich who was forced to re-do the election after winning the first time round in 2004 won a second time in 2010 and this time there was nothing they could do...until 2014 that is, with the euromaidan unrest and coup that followed. Yanukovich was ousted unconstitutionally and only just got out of Ukraine alive after his limo was attacked. 7 of his government officials were found dead, at first claimed to be suicides but subsequently 5 of which were suspected murders. The US had a clear hand in all of this as we now have a phone call interception between Victoria Nuland then undersecretary of state and Geoffrey Pyatt US ambassador to Ukraine discussing who should take over as prime minister after the coup. Their voice recording was published on Feb 8th the coup occurred 2-3 weeks later. After the coup Yatsenyuk the person Victoria Nuland thought should be the one to take over did in fact become prime minister of Ukraine. These recordings can readily be found online along with countless other bits of evidence proving US meddling in the affairs of Ukraine. Since 2014 Ukraine has become a de facto member of Nato with several thousand troops being trained by Nato operators to Nato standards in Ukraine every year. the US since 2014 and up until the war had provided 2.7 Billion in military aid to Ukraine. We can add a few more billion since as well as the 13.4 billion promised for various other things which you are sure to find with minimal digging will be mostly plundered by corrupt US and Ukrainian politicians. After all Ukraine was known as the money laundering country of choice for many western interest groups including POTUS himself and his son. Evidence for this is very hard to miss.
10. Zelenskyy who was elected as an outsider with the promise of seeking out peace in the Donbas shortly after did a 180 on his promise in no small part due to the fact that he simply could not control the ultranationalists and neo nazis who were now substantive fixtures in the Ukrainian military. He was funded by a Ukrainian Oligarch(kolomoisky) who owned the channel that aired the hit series in which Zelenskyy played a teacher who ended up becoming president of Ukraine. Only Hollywood can come up with a scenario like this however this is not make believe this really did happen. Anyone who does not find all of this incredibly suspect might want to have their sanity checked. Kolomoisky also funded the Azov Battalion. Zelenskyy is just a coked up fool, a useful idiot of you will who has the acting chops to play the part he was given. That part was to stall any and all attempts at peace, violate the Minks ceasefire agreements, go full steam ahead with Nato accession and only a week before the invasion ramp tensions up even further with talks of acquiring nuclear weapons(his secretary of state had made a similar statement a year prior).
11. Following the dissolution of the soviet Union Russia sought out assurances that Nato would not expand eastward in order to preserve stability in the region. The US promised they would not yet only 5 years later violated their promise and in the decade that followed admitted no fewer than 14 former soviet nations into Nato in effect encircling Russia despite their frequent protestations to this. Finally Russia drew a red line with Georgia and now Ukraine. The belligerence of Nato in this regard is unprecedented, and to think that this war could have been avoided had the US left well enough alone as countless level headed western politicians and intellectuals had warned(including Kissinger, Prof. Mearsheimer, and many others).
This is just a small sampling of the situation in Ukraine showing that Russia was given no other choice in this and that with mathematical precision Ukraine and the west at every turn did exactly what was required to bring us where we are right now. It could have been prevented years ago by simply abiding by the Minsk agreement, it could have been prevented a year ago by avoiding Nato accession talks, it could have been done a week before the invasion by not talking about nuclear weapons, it could have been avoided a week after by agreeing to Russia's terms(autonomy and recognition of Donbas, recognition of Crimea, No Nato, denazification) it can still be ended right now if Zelenskyy realizes that he's lost the Donbas, lost Crimea, the south will be lost entirely too and so will Kharkov. If he acts quickly enough he may retain Odessa and Kharkov but it does not seem like he will, not that he doesn't want to, he simply won't be allowed to. The US by the open admission of many US politicians will fight the Russians to the last Ukrainian. I believe it was congressman Schiff several years ago that said "we are fighting them(the Russians) in Ukraine so that we do not have to fight them at home" It is truly sad what is happening in Ukraine and to the Ukrainian people but what is even sadder is that there are still people that have been propagandized and brain washed to no end(including our genius friend Douglas Murray) and still believe the western media/MIC/establishment narrative and this only serves to further the suffering of the Ukrainian people(and to be clear ethnic Russians in Ukraine are ALSO Ukrainians who have been fighting a civil war since the US supported coup of 2014). Shame on you Douglas Murray, shame on you for being so bloody narrowminded and obtuse and failing to just open up a history book do some proper research to see that all of this is well documented and out there for anyone to see if only they had the integrity to examine the other side of the coin and not buy what they've been sold by the media wholesale. I mean this man fought a war against the leftist media for 5-6 years missing no opportunity to call them out on their lies yet now suddenly parrots their whole narrative without question. What a fool!
He isn't on the ball with this matter is he. Purim isn't going to be shown up at all. He is doing exactly what he said he would do.
I'm a fan of Douglas, but I don't care for his condescending attitude on the Ukraine conflict. Yes, we know Russia produces propaganda. But the West can do it just as well, if not better. If you're going to dismiss half of the right as gullible fools, maybe try to make a more substantive argument than "Putin Bad".
There are literally THOUSANDS of hours of substantive arguments on TH-cam on this topic. Did you actually try to understand any of them? Did you ever, for example, listen to Anne Applebaum and learned a tiny bit of history for that part of Europe. Do you understand, that since world war 2, Russia was THE ONLY power on the continent that either suppressed or openly warred against its neighbors. Since WW2, not one European county invaded its neighbor - except Russia. Does that matter to you at all? Or do you just want to be in opposition? Maybe this is a chance to unite liberals and conservatives around a worthy cause?
But if not, then you're exactly the person Murray writes about. You see, he understands that what ukraine is fighting for is actually most conservatives' dream. It's a Christian country that wants to live in democracy and free markets. It struggled, yes. Corruption was rampant. But it was getting better. Putin is simply a chauvinist and a tyrant, throwing a tantrum.
Western media is not monolithic. It consists of many voices, often opposing each other. Russian media is a single Putin-controlled machine, with zero opposition. It’s the main reason why Russia had a single de-facto leader since the start of the century. In the same period United States had 5 presidents, with fierce political fighting between them.
Word👊 these tools cheering for usa foreign policy lunatica and Ukrainian nazis really have zero clues
Agreed - A sound mind. (Also the point of free speech) But Ukraine / Russia maybe is a reach for his talents? It's a recent (in this particular moment in time) war
But there is so much more behind it, fog of war is brutal right now
Putin = Bad sure, but don't provoke, then prod, then push the Bear, it'll react
@@SashaSantosScott provoke the bear? How did Afghanistan provoke Russian? How did Chechnya provoke Russia? How did Syria provoke Russia? How did Azerbaijan provoke Russia? How did thousands of civilians that are being killed, raped, and forcefully migrated to Russian provoke Putin? Dictator does what he wants, then he applies propaganda & disinformation to cement his "objective" reasons for doing so. This idea that someone provoked Russia is ludicrous because now Finland and Sweden are both joining NATO. If Russian didn't do shit, they would not see NATO for another century 'cus nobody would ever take Ukraine into NATO.
‘Other ways of knowing’ can help with the myriad of mental health problems that inflict Western countries.
It’s not a matter of “falling for” Putin. It’s simply about recognizing that anyone, an individual or country, has the right to defend itself. Period! Understanding this doesn’t seem difficult to me. Why is it so difficult for intellectuals like Murray? I agree with him nine times out of ten but occasionally he gets it very wrong.
Ukraine is doing a good job defending itself.
At heart, he is a neo-con.
@JET MECH
Tell yourself that when Sevastopol is taken.
Putin uses our weaknesses against ourselves in the West. We may see that, but it does not make it right to invade others. Putin is a dangerous and power-hungry man. The West needs to wake up and re-connect with Protestantism Christianity, rather than Russian Orthodoxy, which can be corrupted at the top.
Steven that is a perfect statement. You are very correct. It is sad that most are being manipulated by the media and the politicians. We need to be focusing on China and not the 16th largest economy in the world
Our mission in Ukraine is right and just. The government wouldn't lie to us, would it?
Has it? We used to have a real politique attitude to larger nations and military spheres of influence. Just because Russia is no longer the ussr it doesn't mean they are not a significant military danger
Re it being our good management / way of life that has produced good rather than luck - this sounds like the ending of Middlemarch: "for the growing good of the world is partly dependent on unhistoric acts; and that things are not so ill with you and me as they might have been, is half owing to the number who lived faithfully a hidden life, and rest in unvisited tombs."
What is happening in Ukraine has divided us further, that much is certain.
No. The liberal controlled media did again
It's strange, most people don't even know this war has been going on for 8 bloody years, 14,000 dead BEFORE the invasion. The Russian minority gets constantly shelled particularly by the ruthless NeoNazi group AZOV BATTALION armed by Nato. The NeoCons should never ever of backed the coup against the ELECTED government of Ukraine 8 years ago that started this nightmare off. The NeoCons destroyed the Middle East and will end up destroying Europe. Please watch the documentary up on Rumble called UKRAINE ON FIRE
Why does anyone need to get along, just don't steal and everything will be fine.
Brilliant Douglas Murray. The writer and public speaker we need. Good questions, Freddie.
Douglas is brilliant! Love hearing him.
Douglas never spoke out over Covid when it mattered and now I see why.
Spoke out? He called the lockdown catastrophic and Covid a narrow obsession that starved our life of meaning…. Etc.
@@skumflum3768 Not until we’ll into it
Peter Hitchens ( true conservative) even called him out over he’s silence !
He talks a lot but never gives his true position, but then again, he never did.
In 6 months, when it's clear what the majority of the right believes, he'll firmly take that position. See: every single one of his positions on controversial topics.
Painfully correct.
Excellent.
Heroic desire.... Come on Douglas, they enacted a law that no man could leave Ukraine within 1 day of invasion, would you need to enact that law if everybody had a heroic desire?.
Your usually a great reader of conflict
Douglas keeping it perfectly between the ditches as always. Good interview.
Also he schools Freddy in the risks of trying to argue with him by riding two horses.
It's interesting that the people on the right who are anti-putin are almost always jewish zionists.
Thanks UnHerd for interesting news,👍👍👍💛
It is incredible
This is part of the problem. Anyone who is not for the war has fallen for Putin. Disappointed to hear this rhetoric from the well respected Murray. I would never support Zelensky or the extreme right wing Militia of Ukraine who we are backing to the tune of billions. I can recall 1983 when Maurice Bishop, Premier in Grenada was ousted from leadership by USA because he was getting too friendly with the Cubans and Soviets. America went in because the Soviets were getting too close to their “backyard” as it was phrased by Reagan at the time. This was backed by UK as everyone understood it was too close to US for comfort. There has been very little attempt at peace and way too much enthusiasm for war and backing Zelensky without any questions being asked.
Totally agree. There has been very little talk about how to de-escalate, but rather chest beating. It's not about how bad Putin is, but what can be done to find peace - with Russia and within Ukraine itself. Murray surprised me too. I remember the Iraq ii war - the bad dictator was used, along with fake weapons of mass destruction lies to shock and awe a country into a bloody war. I don't think Iraqis appreciated the west's help then either. The military aid being sent to Ukraine will kill many Ukrainians and others, and reduce their country further to rubble. I do wonder that if the hot conflict was in the western countries who are keen to escalate war with Russia, there may be less enthusiasm. The price of war is so high - it's not a movie.
"A country gets the government it deserves." Discuss.
Absolutely.
Murray's brilliant.
Sweden, Finland and Ukraine want NATO membership, which should not happen. The security of my U.S. home is not enhanced by the expansion of NATO. I want to place our bloated government on a diet, and one step is to reduce our foreign entanglements.
Why shouldn't Sweden, Finland but even Ukraine and Georgia enter whatever organisation they democratically choose to join? Independent countries have the right to selfdetermination and neither US nor Russia should influence such decisions. Not least by starting a bloody barbarric war.
USA is the one controlling NATO... And USA is the one who wants to expand and push into russia.
I am often concerned for both the hyperbolic iconoclasm of so-called “left” culture warriors but also the idolatry of conservatives and the right wing. And how both positions don’t bring clarity. Ironically both play into propaganda that serve a very small elite which we protect from scrutiny.
As a Left Progressive I am upset that the New York council would take down a Jefferson statue because of what I see as an exaggeration of Jefferson’s racism in regards to those of African descent. It is usually doesn’t have nuances like the fact that Jefferson actually proposed that colonialist should inter-marry with native Americans. Or the fact that he attempted to abolish slavery. I have even seem some make him the equal to Hitler which is an irresponsible assertion. Instead the New York council should expand the Jeffersonian ideal and claim that affordable housing in NYC is a Human Right, if you read his writing you can easily draw this conclusion.
On the other hand I have seen conservatives provide a very fake idolatrous version of Jefferson, most glaringly lies of omission, for example omitting that Jefferson was very anti-monopoly and very often anti-capitalist. It can be best said he was for very small types of capitalism that of the yeoman farmer and not the monopolist. And he certainly was not against redistributionist towards greater equality, striving for equal land distribution and free public education prove he was very much interested in public welfare.
Ironically in this one controversy the Left shoots them selves in the foot by smearing a past left hero, while many on the right believe an exploitive capitalist myth.
I believe an HONEST look at Jefferson would actually serve both the right and the left population because he was a truly exceptional statesman that wrestled with difficult issue based on a coherent set of values and shared principles.
I believe this about a lot of history. I have a certain type of conservativism as a progressive because the West does have a unique 500 year progressive history. You might say from Martin Luther to Martin Luther King Jr.
Hear, hear! I absolutely agree that the West is undergoing an OVER CORRECTION to its traditional colonialist views; for example, extremist identity politics replacing the glorification of the British Empire in the UK. I don't see the extreme right wing and the extreme left as being polls apart - they bear much in common; intolerance, of course, but there are actual overlaps in their beliefs - for example, a lot of anti semitism is promoted by the extreme left Momentum movement in the UK.
Why would all refugees seek going west if it wasn’t better than the rest? Love you, Douglas!
Correction,Norway(7,900 MMbbl) has vastly less energy supplies than Venezuela (303,800 MMbb) not the same at all.They just as you said made good decisions.
14:00 One Brit asking another Brit: "Would you rather be born in Britain or in China in the 21st century?" And the answer is "I would rather be born in Britain". A genious question and the answer.
And the other side seems to agree. I ve come across many, many more Chinese people who have settled in the West, than vice versa.
And Hong Kong answer is...
I would point out that the Jewish population of Christian Europe since about 400 a.d.,would have been safer in China or India just to avoid the consistent round of social hostility and massacre.The holocaust happened in the heart of the said Christian Europe.
@@harryfineberg5075 The Jews would have been safer in China ? The treatment of Uyghurs, Tibetans, Fa Lun Gong, Mongols and Tai-Kadai/Mon-Khmer/Tibeto-Burmese minorities evoques what for you ?
@@harryfineberg5075 yes we should make a revision of values in West Impires..and not childish reductive comparisons .Our west present political sistem, funtions more like maffia than a democracy....organised crime its the model of the leading forces now..it looks like they d kidnap our supposely democratic states...and we ,comun fellows, are feeding their never ending greed ...the democratic christian west powers, doestn have any christian principle at all , alllways creating wars and suffering to build an allmighty power ..with no competition , no limit..no conciousness...without making at least some revision of the past history...OTAN , Europe, the Wars, sucking resources from Africa South America, Asia etc without worriing on the metods....leaders of the imperial countries just made enemies, because of their greed, inflicting suffering in others to feed the wealthy of the winners...EEUU...never stopping horror wars in the name of freedom...big decadence, rotten roots....time to really look in the mirror...Its so hard to accept a multipolar world.??Wouldnt that stops the never ending greed an accumulation of power that leaded us to this complete caotics times ?
Well, the reason we don't see the same "self-loathing" in Russia and China is because media and freedom of speech is way more restricted... Besides, China has enjoyed a great increase in living standards. People are willing to put up with a lot if they are safe and comfortable.
.... how on earth can you possibly believe such nonsense....
Our entire cultural/academic aparatus has been carrying out demoralization innitaives in order to destabilize western populations. This is a requisite to establishing a world government. Another key component of the overarching stratagem is demographic weaponization against white people in their own nations. On facet of this is the total overhauling of western culture whilst prohibiting participation from whites. The rapidity of these culture/societal shifts alone is enough to create atomization and loathing. Go read thre white papers of these global elite organizations, they have been documenting their plans fot decades - even centuries. They have been writing and discussing demographic replacement since the early 1800s lol. Everything can be found in club of rome documents, typically in the early 20th century. Read a book?
China and Russia enact diametric opposite inniatives. Media and freedom of speech? My God man! Open your damn eyes
Honestly it would take a full dissertation to detail all of the relevant factors at play.. im just astonished by your comment.. amongst others under this video.
Are you serious? Our speech and thought here is almost as restricted in China. When one side of a story or narrative is allowed is what weakened the west and created the self loathing.
You don't see this kind of self-hatred in any other countries outside of the West. Nothing to do with censorship. This SJW ideology is purely a western product.
I ve taught many a Chinese adult in my German as a foreign language classes, and they all speak incredibly highly and uncritically of their home country.
@@stefanieastrid half programming for sure, but in conjuction with the totally organic veneration of ancestors, and therefore, their people.
It is n a t u r a l for ppl to venerate their ancestors and wish the best for their people. Which is why, the current state of the west is so alarming; inorganic detriment that does not arive naturally in the collective consciousness of a people... it must be PLACED their from external means/forces.
couldn't agree more
Thank you for this discussion!! A very important discussion!!!