to be honest: I don't like the sound of the dampened cymbals. In my opinion the sound pretty bad, more like a random piece of metal. Keep the great work up David!
+222JDA they do, I have the 19" Ultra hammered china from zildjian (a china known to be washy and loud) and I dampened it w/ gaffers tape. Really the only cymbals that sound good dampened are FX cymbals.
I made some quick and dirty ones with some neodymium magnets I had laying around and some of those felt stickers you can put under your furniture to save the hardwood. Seem to work pretty good actually.
Hi, the meinl dampers were intended for use on the bell of the cymbal. Would be interested to see a video where you try that with your cooler versions.
well that make more sense, he has his rides flat so did not see that is you put it near the edge the weight will bring it to the bottom and then you will hit it with the stick
That video is so much more up your alley than the prevoius one. Also, an idea about flat magnets has given me lots of new room for experiments, so thanks for that. Cheers!
Hey I've been using cymbal tuners for years, ever since I went from a 14" china to a 18" (the 18"'s sustain is just too much for some songs where I play quick accent on it). For a budget of 0$, I cut a vaguely round shape in an old piece of cloth and I put a hole in the middle, then I put it between my china and the top felt. It sounds much better than your magnets, it doesn't change the tone, it just decreases volume and sustain. Yes it's ugly (probably less with black cloth), yes you have to unscrew the top felt to put it on and off, but if you have a fancy quick realease wingnut it's quite fast. Try it David.
Yo! I picked some of these up last week just because you roasted them so hard in this video. They're useful. Your sugru attempt was definitely closer to the actual product, but the meinls are covered in a pretty soft rubber. Works great for those especially ringing and powerful cymbals. They're able to keep their sound without sounding too dead. Definitely useful though, the magnets seem stronger than what you had as well.
Gretschnut Uh Magnets don't stick to bronze. These are made to stick to each other with the cymbal in the middle and would work in the same way with a drumhead.
Your playing examples are always grooving and right in the pocket, rdavidr! Question: what's the difference between muffling cymbals this way, and just...tape?
Maybe try flexible magnetic tape? Cheap stuff at stationary or hardware stores. Different lengths, positions (on the bell, touching the bell, no bell) and shapes (squiggles, squares, circles, dots)? I might give it a go after I get back from the Dollar Store to try your awesome moongel alternative. Keep up the great tutorials, I'm learning a lot!
I agree with your conclusions man. The best form of "cymbal tuning" is just to buy a different cymbal IMO or just use the cymbal that sounds right for the sound your going for. Muting cymbals can be cool as an effect. But the magnets don't really do anything you can't do with tape.
Whenever you mute/muffle something like a drum, guitar or other instruments, the high frequencies will get knocked out first. Muting is affected starting with high frequencies going down, with the more muffling you do. That is why these tuners (which really, muffle the sound) had more of an affect with higher pitched cymbals. Coated heads, double ply heads, o-rings, tape, etc. same-difference.
whoa, i wasn't expecting to hear such a difference! I recently worked a show for Tom Cochrane and noticed the drumset had a piece of Moon Goo on the ride cymbal, i wonder if it would do the same effect?
If the heatshrink tubing's too hard (and/or thick), what about some appropriately-sized silicone tubing? Y'know, big enough to fit around the magnet, but small enough to hold it tight. The kind of silicone i'm thinking of is that really soft, compliant, and almost sticky-to-the-touch kind.
You can try adhesive insulation tape. Its like a thin foam with adhesion on one side. They make it down to about 3/16 or 1/8" thick. You can get it from a place like HomeDepot.
My opinion on these is that maybe they aren't meant for playing live at a gig. If you look up travis barker boat drumming or travis barker backstage drumming, you can hear that attack of the cymbal but no "crash and sizzle" to it.So my point is maybe they for people who want to practice in the bedroom or backstage and can't make too much noise. What do you guys think?
I would try it on the actual bell of the ride. I use a 22 hollow logo ping ride and it will get away from you so I just use a 2x2 inch pad of toilet paper and masking tape. It touches an inch of the bow and an inch inside the actual bell. Does a good job of separating the playing surfaces sound wise.
Sick video, you really should have put them at different areas, i tried this and use it close to the edges of my cymbals. you have them more high up so they are dampening them far too much making them sound just pingy.
The only cymbals I want to choke down are two ride cymbals that I have, extreme washy. In order to choke them down a bit I use window clings from Dollar store or a cheap similar store in the clearance isle. Works perfect, like a moongel only cheaper....and better. 😀
So these things (magnets) are actually better mutes than commercial drum mute pads? B/C my mute pads make my crash sound like a freaking gong. OK if you like gongs I guess. Love the channel. You want some grits? I could send you some grits. :)
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yeah I know the math is wrong, be sure to still tell me though...
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rdavidr bro i am crying😂😂i thought you we're so dumb
rdavidr you said cymbal tuner ahhhhhhhhhhhhh
I will like to bring this to your attention. www.arrickrobotics.com/tubetoms.html
that was a cool site!
to be honest: I don't like the sound of the dampened cymbals. In my opinion the sound pretty bad, more like a random piece of metal.
Keep the great work up David!
It sounds really choked and congested. Just wrong to my ears
TheFanky89 agree. Maybe they would sound better on something like a China.
...and i really like it, on some of them. though i think its a bit of a genre thing to preference
+222JDA they do, I have the 19" Ultra hammered china from zildjian (a china known to be washy and loud) and I dampened it w/ gaffers tape. Really the only cymbals that sound good dampened are FX cymbals.
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Note: If you bought 30 magnets for $15 the price per magnet is 50 cents, not 2 dollars. its 15 divided by 30, not the other way around.
whoops!
+rdavidr hahahaha
you could buy 2 dollars for 1 magnet
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8:38 It's Meinl Cymbal tuner so it doesn't work when you put it on Sabian cymbals. SIMPLE
QbixDP this is ingenious!
QbixDP i wouldnt say unless you want to look stupid
+ZaPeX Jjj Actually, it makes *perfect* sense. You're just not smart enough to understand it. Pssssh...
you are a genius
QbixDP iiiii
You should make a sugru bass drum beater dude :)
I made some quick and dirty ones with some neodymium magnets I had laying around and some of those felt stickers you can put under your furniture to save the hardwood. Seem to work pretty good actually.
Hi, the meinl dampers were intended for use on the bell of the cymbal. Would be interested to see a video where you try that with your cooler versions.
well that make more sense, he has his rides flat so did not see that is you put it near the edge the weight will bring it to the bottom and then you will hit it with the stick
That video is so much more up your alley than the prevoius one. Also, an idea about flat magnets has given me lots of new room for experiments, so thanks for that.
Cheers!
Hey I've been using cymbal tuners for years, ever since I went from a 14" china to a 18" (the 18"'s sustain is just too much for some songs where I play quick accent on it).
For a budget of 0$, I cut a vaguely round shape in an old piece of cloth and I put a hole in the middle, then I put it between my china and the top felt. It sounds much better than your magnets, it doesn't change the tone, it just decreases volume and sustain. Yes it's ugly (probably less with black cloth), yes you have to unscrew the top felt to put it on and off, but if you have a fancy quick realease wingnut it's quite fast.
Try it David.
Yo! I picked some of these up last week just because you roasted them so hard in this video. They're useful. Your sugru attempt was definitely closer to the actual product, but the meinls are covered in a pretty soft rubber. Works great for those especially ringing and powerful cymbals. They're able to keep their sound without sounding too dead. Definitely useful though, the magnets seem stronger than what you had as well.
Oh I'm early better make a joke.
David without his beard
Fourty 4Times i
Tuners that doesn't tune. 10/10
11/10 •__•
So basically menial is selling a product that makes your cymbals sound like shit
CjaM McGymLad: Yup...and sadly, people buy it.😔
hey!!! how about using those things on a drumhead? might be really interesting dampened sound, who knows!!!
Magnets only stick to metal.
Gretschnut you could take the head off and put one on either side because they would stick to eachother through the head
they would also probably fly off if they arent strong enough
Yeah, I thought of that, but seems like a lot of trouble, taking the head off etc., versus using a Moongel or a piece of tape.
Gretschnut Uh Magnets don't stick to bronze. These are made to stick to each other with the cymbal in the middle and would work in the same way with a drumhead.
dear rdavidr, you should do a drum kit comparison between the drum kit clean from inside vs the drum kit lacquered from inside.That will be so nice!
That byzance sounds REALLY good with the dampening in my opinion! I want that.
I tried some non coated magnets also. I went back to my Gaffer Tape. Fun video, thanks!
if you made the background music, please do a tutorial! it sounds really nice
Great playing/editing/mix in the demo segment.
since you left your address, has anyone came to your house saying "rdavidr you are a god!!!!!!"
The short sustain crash sound could work really well if you were doing some dnb/jungle type stuff.
Your playing examples are always grooving and right in the pocket, rdavidr! Question: what's the difference between muffling cymbals this way, and just...tape?
Dude. You are such a boss!
Watching this in class without sound is a recipe for
giggles
Maybe try flexible magnetic tape? Cheap stuff at stationary or hardware stores. Different lengths, positions (on the bell, touching the bell, no bell) and shapes (squiggles, squares, circles, dots)? I might give it a go after I get back from the Dollar Store to try your awesome moongel alternative. Keep up the great tutorials, I'm learning a lot!
I always love your "DIY" idea, keep the good work david!
I agree with your conclusions man. The best form of "cymbal tuning" is just to buy a different cymbal IMO or just use the cymbal that sounds right for the sound your going for. Muting cymbals can be cool as an effect. But the magnets don't really do anything you can't do with tape.
Whenever you mute/muffle something like a drum, guitar or other instruments, the high frequencies will get knocked out first. Muting is affected starting with high frequencies going down, with the more muffling you do.
That is why these tuners (which really, muffle the sound) had more of an affect with higher pitched cymbals.
Coated heads, double ply heads, o-rings, tape, etc. same-difference.
Undampened is the best choice. Greetings from Argentina!
whoa, i wasn't expecting to hear such a difference! I recently worked a show for Tom Cochrane and noticed the drumset had a piece of Moon Goo on the ride cymbal, i wonder if it would do the same effect?
I'm in love with the apollo ride now lol
I really enjoy the things u do with the camera lol
I must have really liked the promotion video with Benny on the Meinl channel ^^ .
Always a good one Dave
0:25 that would be 50 cents
Did you consider using plasti-dip?
this was my thought. attach magnet to wire, dip, let dry. done.
Hey rdavidr I love all your videos. Keep up the good work.
I knew if anyone was going to do something like this, it'd be you :)
I wouldn't have expected anything less from you. Cudos
I never liked cymbal dampening, and I still don't... oh and by the way I just had to give a like for your beautiful hair :)
0:15 Sounds like a math equation. Lol.
Carter Staab same
lol he got it wrong
rdavidr tuners jajajajjja. ....I really enjoy watching your videos
They should just call them cymbal chokes/chokers not tuners?..
If the heatshrink tubing's too hard (and/or thick), what about some appropriately-sized silicone tubing? Y'know, big enough to fit around the magnet, but small enough to hold it tight.
The kind of silicone i'm thinking of is that really soft, compliant, and almost sticky-to-the-touch kind.
Those Heatshrinks are from Harbor Freight. I love those things. Use them all the time.
haha.. "rdavidr brand cymbal tuners" .. brilliant!
spraying a few coats of Plasti-Dip on a magnet all around might be interesting
best youtube channel ever
also best beard ever.
You can try adhesive insulation tape. Its like a thin foam with adhesion on one side. They make it down to about 3/16 or 1/8" thick. You can get it from a place like HomeDepot.
yeah I thought about that, but the stuff I have was pretty thick
10/10 on the hair Dave 😎🖒
hey man I just had a great Idea for your next cowbell video, Cut off the end of a metal flask and see how it sounds
I could see this sound being popular if going for a pop/hip hop/dnb sound. Maybe combine that cymbal sound with the Sabian Hoop Crasher on snare.
You could also use moon gel it works pretty good
My opinion on these is that maybe they aren't meant for playing live at a gig. If you look up travis barker boat drumming or travis barker backstage drumming, you can hear that attack of the cymbal but no "crash and sizzle" to it.So my point is maybe they for people who want to practice in the bedroom or backstage and can't make too much noise. What do you guys think?
I would try it on the actual bell of the ride. I use a 22 hollow logo ping ride and it will get away from you so I just use a 2x2 inch pad of toilet paper and masking tape. It touches an inch of the bow and an inch inside the actual bell. Does a good job of separating the playing surfaces sound wise.
Sick video, you really should have put them at different areas, i tried this and use it close to the edges of my cymbals. you have them more high up so they are dampening them far too much making them sound just pingy.
i probably would use them because i just use the 1 mongel window clings whenever i dont want any sound because my family is trying to sleep lol
I like the new editing style!! Love the lettering and shots setup for the desk scenes.
could you make a tutorial on how to make your own graphic for your bass head??? and still keep it cheap?
template and spray paint....
Braden Nicoson yep
Menil demo them on the bell and less towards the edge it could be worth trying that out. :)!
The only cymbals I want to choke down are two ride cymbals that I have, extreme washy. In order to choke them down a bit I use window clings from Dollar store or a cheap similar store in the clearance isle. Works perfect, like a moongel only cheaper....and better. 😀
i just use duck tape , you can add layers ytill it sounds right, cheap too
Raw magnets as sizzles?
jared magana They might move around too much but I'd like to see
wait, you're from VA? no way! me too!
Ever tought of Plasti Dip? Think it might work too, easy and cheap and nice
lol i was just wondering when you were gona upload this
Cool
My thumbs up tipped the scale to 1K views
Maybe try a heavy paint or rubber cement to seal the magnets?
That guy from Death Grips would love this
The dead cymbals is a cool effect, have you tried more than one dampener on each?
I use pieces of flexible plastic refrigerator magnets. You know, the ones you get at the tourist trap shops when you're on vacation.
Beautiful Hair
Love your Vids, I'm not even a drummer X)
One day I hope to have a beard as nice as you dave...
What about that "Vic grip" spray you used in an earlier video? Probably would be soft and grab the cymbal well…
that apollo ride is nasty
Or just use a cracked 16 in cymbal for low tension or dampened sound. It works really well
shit now what am I going to do with the money I was saving for the meinl tuners?...........
Erin Wright buy a good cymbal
Why do people hate on the Apollo. I personally like it.
Try them on the hi-hats, maybe stick Velcro on them?
Would plasti dip hold up? Might be an easier method if it did.
nice video!
Does the dampening hurt the cymbal because they can´t vibrate free? Just like if they were screwed to tight.
hey man, why not test with your hats? really want hear the sound in those cymbals(sorry for my bad english, im from chile) c:
You should have tried them on the cymbal bells.
The 46 dislikes are the employes for this company
The ron swanson of drums does it again
Do a Stave Snare Drum build plz
I was wondering how these would work on a cymbal that sounds just okay. Or one that may sound great except for some annoying frequencies
10:01 nice one davie
Maby try on on the bottom hi hat that might make an interesting sound
Try to find nonmagnetic stainless steel scissors . Non mag stainless is the more common in my area.
Isn't this the same kinda concept as using moon gel on cymbals to dry them up a bit?
The background music sounds like Intersecting Lines by les hooper
I've heard a legend where rdavidr replies to spaghetti
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Hey Dave, great video. Do yo think it'd be possible to revisit the BFSD but instead use it on the toms or even stack them? Thanks!
Rdavidr love ?
So these things (magnets) are actually better mutes than commercial drum mute pads? B/C my mute pads make my crash sound like a freaking gong. OK if you like gongs I guess. Love the channel. You want some grits? I could send you some grits. :)
I wonder if trimmed balloon rubber could somehow be used with them there magnets
Have you thought about plastidipping them?
ceramic scissors.
There are trace amounts of metal in ceramic blades (I assume scissors too) that could still be attracted to the magnets.
hi david hope you have a good day :|