Very interesting and quite telling. But btw, secular Israeli birthrates aren't as high as Haredi. But they are at least double that of other western countries. I think it's a part of the Jewish culture/mindset, and been that way for centuries. People feel empty if they don't have children. _(And that; I can agree with. Having children and pets, animals around you, is a good feeling.)_
Secular Jewish fertility rates outside of Israel are actually way lower than the national average in most countries - usually 1.3-1/4 children per woman compared to 1.6-1.8 for the surrounding country. But Israel bucks all the trends of fertility!
@@isaweesaw Didn't know that. But indeed, Israel bucks a lot of trends, in contrast to other western cultures. In many ways, Israel is unique amongst nations. And yes, Israelis; Jewish, Muslim, Druze, Christian, they all love big families. It's the Israeli way of life.
@@hanna319 Feeling good need not be from _"egoistic tendencies."_ It can just as well be from feeling as having a purpose and function in life. And that is paramount for good mental health. Or said through scripture: Psalms: 128 _"(A Song of degrees.) Blessed is every one that feareth the LORD; that walketh in his ways. For thou shalt eat the labour of thine hands: happy shalt thou be, and it shall be well with thee. Thy wife shall be as a fruitful vine by the sides of thine house: thy children like olive plants round about thy table. Behold, that thus shall the man be blessed that feareth the LORD. The LORD shall bless thee out of Zion: and thou shalt see the good of Jerusalem all the days of thy life. Yea, thou shalt see thy children's children, and peace upon Israel."_ Also: Psalm 127, Malachi 2, Isaiah 54, Proverbs 4, 13, 15, 19, and 29. There is a natural and blessed feeling of good; that Hashem gives to the humble in ways. That is why there is _"The Festival of Shelters,"_ Sukkot. That each returns to a simpler life-style, to remember, remember Israel's journey, path, origins and destination. But also one's own. And, the destination matters not, but for the journey. Ps. If you have cultural systemic egoistic tendencies abounding; you need to look elsewhere in the value system of that cultural group for the reason.
@@michaelwittkopp3379 my brother My point is that they do it because God commanded it. Not because it "feels good", it doesn't always feel good, I'm from an ultra-Orthodox family of 10, I'm the eldest. It was not easy, my childhood was amazing but difficult.
Is it commanded in the Torah to have as many children as possible and support them by living off other people’s taxes? A bit contrary to nurturing self-esteem and can only breed resentment from those hard working people who support them. 🤷🏻♀️
I think this clip was very misleading when they spoke about work. People hear that, combined with the benefit statistic, and assume they don't work at all. But in reality the full-time work statistic excludes those who are self-employed (sorry, not sure what the equivalent US term is). It doesn't mean those not in full-time work are unemployed.
I think of it needing to dig deeper into two areas. 1) Self-employed; Doesn't necessarily mean being successful at it. Thus, especially when looking through it under the consideration of the amount of children involved, anything but being *_very successful_* is going to put you; _"on the dole."_ Plus, self-employed have; especially in all of Europe, various means of adding subsidies to their income. _(Example: Farmers of certain agricultural goods; get some serious money per year.)_ And such; will show in statistics, and skew them. _(Governments need to show fully; where they are spending tax-payer money.)_ 2) Part time worker; US or Europe, this is a problem area. A company can employ you part-time, thus avoiding costs, but also keeping you off being listed as unemployed. But the problem is; you're not earning a living-wage, not even minimum-wage. Add in the amount of children, and you have that higher percentage of those; _"being on the dole."_ That said; it cannot be denied that there is a portion of the Hasidic community, that consider _"studying Torah,"_ a full-time job. 1) In Israel, the self-employed/employed rate amongst Hasidic women is 3x higher than Hasidic men. 2) That said, the Hasidic community of Israel does not have the highest unemployment - "on the dole" rates. There are others, with far higher. 3) But on the flipside of that coin, Hasidic unemployment is higher than either secular or orthodox. So there is a systemic problem. 4) And yet to say that that problem has directly to do with too many Hasidic men wanting to spend their lives studying Torah full time, might be part of the answer, but not the full one. It's far more complex than that.
Immigration is a result of labor shortage. And labor shortage is a result of declining birth rates. Its amusing when 40+ year olds with no children complain about immigration.
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who can afford them only lifelong, affirmed scroungers and millionaires..!
They go to Hasidic schools. Children are only raised to live in their world. Women stay at home making babies and subservient to husband. In US very high incidence of welfare fraud among those who can afford to take care families. Large family of 10 children of unless you have a high income will put you welfare in cramped homes. The women who have those children become tied to the home. The pill changed the view of the world and a better future for themselves and their children. The world of women and the children around the world is significantly better when women have access to effective birth control.
@@cgpcgp3239That appeared to be true for a couple generations. However, once TFR dropped below 2, things started to get much worse for women and children.
I was born on Canvey! Never expected to see it on your NY based channel lol. Thanks for the link I will watch it. I wonder how the two child benefit cap has affected people who choose not to work? I don't actually understand how they qualify for state benefits, because you're supposed to be actively looking for work or so disabled that you prove you can't work (which is really quite badly disabled, like my son, and it was a battle to prove it). If you do anything to deliberately jeopardise looking for work the government will stop the money. I do love the focus on family. That was something I was brought up with, too, but perhaps not quite to this extent - the idea of 15 children makes me feel faint 😆
they do work. didn't you hear? he studies (they get paid for that) and she works in a school. and they are not complaining...they love their life despite its difficulties.
@@NewTroll-u1k Clearly you DIDN’T listen to the video. The 70% unemployed living off benefits was stated in the video. Children are great if you choose to have them. Yet having children and expecting others to pay for your children is not great.
@@lisaabroad1192Please tell them to contact their brothers and sisters in New York. One county, I heard,was close to 30 percent for this population and in 2022 there was a Polio outbreak ...
In a community---you know how vague that is? Do you have shy idea how many sects and cultural groupings there are in the ultra Orthodox world? Some are massive but others are no more than a couple dozen families.
Religion is strange, like why would a supreme being creator of the universe require you to have such a ridiculous haircut, like if they met God would he have the same haircut hahaha
Criticism of religion is a vast intellectual training field some enjoy. Be mindful and observe for yourself whether you critical of “odd” customs in all religions equally, or only criticise certain religions / ethnicities. No shame mind you, but a valuable introspection test.
@@friedavizelclips , I strongly suggest you listen to the video you, yourself posted. The video CLEARLY states that 70% of families in the community are receiving housing and child benefits, and only 15% have full employment. So yes that is shameful!
I taught his son piano while they were in that flat about 10 years ago. A lovely family !
What a blessing to have a large family. Take it from a 56-year-old childless bachelor. Family life is the apex of existence.
But unfortunately many young people are not understanding it.
@@Astitto-yv6vnyoung people can’t afford to.
No
You can't possibly interact meaningfully with that many children.
Been there
@@SK-lt1so That is where multi-generational families come in. Even us old folk like me, can have a purpose and function.
And they rent from an orthodox gentleman?.? Why treat his fellow Orthodox Jews in this way?
I went to Canvey Island this year, it was a very gloomy day but there where Charedi women and girls dancing on the beach!
Very interesting and quite telling. But btw, secular Israeli birthrates aren't as high as Haredi. But they are at least double that of other western countries. I think it's a part of the Jewish culture/mindset, and been that way for centuries. People feel empty if they don't have children. _(And that; I can agree with. Having children and pets, animals around you, is a good feeling.)_
Secular Jewish fertility rates outside of Israel are actually way lower than the national average in most countries - usually 1.3-1/4 children per woman compared to 1.6-1.8 for the surrounding country. But Israel bucks all the trends of fertility!
@@isaweesaw Didn't know that. But indeed, Israel bucks a lot of trends, in contrast to other western cultures. In many ways, Israel is unique amongst nations.
And yes, Israelis; Jewish, Muslim, Druze, Christian, they all love big families. It's the Israeli way of life.
Haha you explain to yourself the fact that they have a lot of children with egoistic tendencies (feeling good), that's not the reason.
@@hanna319 Feeling good need not be from _"egoistic tendencies."_ It can just as well be from feeling as having a purpose and function in life. And that is paramount for good mental health.
Or said through scripture: Psalms: 128 _"(A Song of degrees.) Blessed is every one that feareth the LORD; that walketh in his ways. For thou shalt eat the labour of thine hands: happy shalt thou be, and it shall be well with thee. Thy wife shall be as a fruitful vine by the sides of thine house: thy children like olive plants round about thy table. Behold, that thus shall the man be blessed that feareth the LORD. The LORD shall bless thee out of Zion: and thou shalt see the good of Jerusalem all the days of thy life. Yea, thou shalt see thy children's children, and peace upon Israel."_
Also: Psalm 127, Malachi 2, Isaiah 54, Proverbs 4, 13, 15, 19, and 29.
There is a natural and blessed feeling of good; that Hashem gives to the humble in ways. That is why there is _"The Festival of Shelters,"_ Sukkot. That each returns to a simpler life-style, to remember, remember Israel's journey, path, origins and destination. But also one's own. And, the destination matters not, but for the journey.
Ps. If you have cultural systemic egoistic tendencies abounding; you need to look elsewhere in the value system of that cultural group for the reason.
@@michaelwittkopp3379 my brother My point is that they do it because God commanded it. Not because it "feels good", it doesn't always feel good, I'm from an ultra-Orthodox family of 10, I'm the eldest. It was not easy, my childhood was amazing but difficult.
If they cannot afford to have kids why do they have them
Cause they are numbed by 5000 years old religious law.
To fill God's world and commends
They probably didn't think of that lmao
Is it commanded in the Torah to have as many children as possible and support them by living off other people’s taxes? A bit contrary to nurturing self-esteem and can only breed resentment from those hard working people who support them. 🤷🏻♀️
To claim more money from the government! 🤑
I think this clip was very misleading when they spoke about work. People hear that, combined with the benefit statistic, and assume they don't work at all. But in reality the full-time work statistic excludes those who are self-employed (sorry, not sure what the equivalent US term is). It doesn't mean those not in full-time work are unemployed.
yes that part really caught my attention. I’m pretty sure you turned me on this doc which I loved.
I think of it needing to dig deeper into two areas.
1) Self-employed; Doesn't necessarily mean being successful at it. Thus, especially when looking through it under the consideration of the amount of children involved, anything but being *_very successful_* is going to put you; _"on the dole."_ Plus, self-employed have; especially in all of Europe, various means of adding subsidies to their income. _(Example: Farmers of certain agricultural goods; get some serious money per year.)_ And such; will show in statistics, and skew them. _(Governments need to show fully; where they are spending tax-payer money.)_
2) Part time worker; US or Europe, this is a problem area. A company can employ you part-time, thus avoiding costs, but also keeping you off being listed as unemployed. But the problem is; you're not earning a living-wage, not even minimum-wage. Add in the amount of children, and you have that higher percentage of those; _"being on the dole."_
That said; it cannot be denied that there is a portion of the Hasidic community, that consider _"studying Torah,"_ a full-time job.
1) In Israel, the self-employed/employed rate amongst Hasidic women is 3x higher than Hasidic men.
2) That said, the Hasidic community of Israel does not have the highest unemployment - "on the dole" rates. There are others, with far higher.
3) But on the flipside of that coin, Hasidic unemployment is higher than either secular or orthodox. So there is a systemic problem.
4) And yet to say that that problem has directly to do with too many Hasidic men wanting to spend their lives studying Torah full time, might be part of the answer, but not the full one. It's far more complex than that.
I think this country could benefit from large families! It changes the way you view the world and work for a better future
Immigration is a result of labor shortage. And labor shortage is a result of declining birth rates. Its amusing when 40+ year olds with no children complain about immigration.
who can afford them only lifelong, affirmed scroungers and millionaires..!
They go to Hasidic schools. Children are only raised to live in their world. Women stay at home making babies and subservient to husband. In US very high incidence of welfare fraud among those who can afford to take care families. Large family of 10 children of unless you have a high income will put you welfare in cramped homes. The women who have those children become tied to the home. The pill changed the view of the world and a better future for themselves and their children. The world of women and the children around the world is significantly better when women have access to effective birth control.
@@cgpcgp3239That appeared to be true for a couple generations. However, once TFR dropped below 2, things started to get much worse for women and children.
opened a tab to watch the doc.
I was born on Canvey! Never expected to see it on your NY based channel lol. Thanks for the link I will watch it. I wonder how the two child benefit cap has affected people who choose not to work? I don't actually understand how they qualify for state benefits, because you're supposed to be actively looking for work or so disabled that you prove you can't work (which is really quite badly disabled, like my son, and it was a battle to prove it). If you do anything to deliberately jeopardise looking for work the government will stop the money. I do love the focus on family. That was something I was brought up with, too, but perhaps not quite to this extent - the idea of 15 children makes me feel faint 😆
They complain about not having a nice place to live but they have tons of kids and don't work...
they do work. didn't you hear? he studies (they get paid for that) and she works in a school. and they are not complaining...they love their life despite its difficulties.
@@NewTroll-u1k Who pays the person to study? Not judging just interested because that didn't make sense to me
@@NewTroll-u1k, 70% receive housing and child benefits, and ONLY 15% have full employment.
@@elsands9774 even if that is true, that makes sense...to some people there is nothing more important than having children.
@@NewTroll-u1k Clearly you DIDN’T listen to the video. The 70% unemployed living off benefits was stated in the video. Children are great if you choose to have them. Yet having children and expecting others to pay for your children is not great.
Lovely family
Darling boy.
What is the rate of vaccination for the children?
94%
@@lisaabroad1192Please tell them to contact their brothers and sisters in New York. One county, I heard,was close to 30 percent for this population and in 2022 there was a Polio outbreak ...
@@lisaabroad1192 It is 37 percent in A community in Rockland Countythat resulted in a Polio outbreak...glad to hear the 94 percent
In a community---you know how vague that is? Do you have shy idea how many sects and cultural groupings there are in the ultra Orthodox world? Some are massive but others are no more than a couple dozen families.
Shana Tova Umetuka
God bless you abundantly
What a blessing to have so many children.
Religion is strange, like why would a supreme being creator of the universe require you to have such a ridiculous haircut, like if they met God would he have the same haircut hahaha
God doesn’t mandate that. These are traditions established by their rabbis not by God.
Criticism of religion is a vast intellectual training field some enjoy. Be mindful and observe for yourself whether you critical of “odd” customs in all religions equally, or only criticise certain religions / ethnicities. No shame mind you, but a valuable introspection test.
The existance of any god (btw what about godesses?) isnt proven. On the contrary the simplemindness of people is proven.
Unless those customs are harmful.
Seeing what atheists believe in nowadays they have no right to criticize religion.
It looks like a 1940 Jewish ghetto. 😂
That's not funny
The entirety of the UK does 💀
Not cool. Not funny.
@@wondertyzipp8260literally how?? British Jews live 80% in London or Manchester
Great! 70% of family in the community are receiving housing and child benefits, and only 15% have full employment. Absolutely shameful!
not true
@@friedavizelclips , I strongly suggest you listen to the video you, yourself posted. The video CLEARLY states that 70% of families in the community are receiving housing and child benefits, and only 15% have full employment. So yes that is shameful!
I don't understand why religious people are so obsessed with being poor
Rabbits 🐇
I think they should get large, state funded houses, and raise taxes for working people, so that their community can thrive!
Ur joking right
So are you going to insult their religion like you do with muslims
“They rent from a Hasidic landlord” Look at how they make their own people live 😂😂
Act
Does history repeats itself.. Hehehe aha.. Hehehe just saying.. Same path to same disastrous future..