I live in London born and (still currently being raised here, I’m 14 nearly 15) My dads best friend is in The Lithuanian [HOG Vilnius Next Chapter] I was invited to one of the Baltic annual gatherings, and my god I’ve never felt better. It felt like home, yes I’m young but it felt like family, I love the idea of travelling around the world with friends with your Harley preferably listening to rock, and representing your country. Its amazing!! ❤️🇱🇹
I lost my Harley in a mudslide two years ago. I now ride a Yamaha but still keep my HOG membership. One of the major advantages of riding Harley is the friends you make through HOG.
I know this is a late entry to the party, but I'll throw you my 2 cents on HOGs and groups in general. I started riding about 4 months ago, and I picked a Harley for my first bike. Mainly because I've been attracted to the "classic" aesthetic that they've kept through the years. I then joined the nearest HOG in my area, that is in Perugia (Italy). The group represented a way for me to branch out, to leave my comfort zone in a way. I'm generally very closed, but finding a group of people that shared a common passion meant the world for me, and bridged the gap that my introverted personality could not. It made me love travelling again and seeing new places, something that I never enjoyed before. Perhaps to some people, these things are something they already possessed in their life (friends and travelling), but for likeminded people like myself, the HOG groups represent a gateway to new and exciting things, with Harleys as the common denominator.
I have been a member for 5 years. I joined initially when I got back into bikes, and met some great friends through it. I have become very active within the chapter; organizing rides, coming up with group activities, etc. I really enjoy it. So much so, I am now the assistant director. As to us being a "club": certainly not. We are a group of riders who enjoy the HD lifestyle. Nothing more. No membership requirements other than dues. Hell, you dont even have to show up! I think each chapter is vastly different. Mine is pretty active, and we have a good time. We do several charity rides a year, and you'll find a few of us doing smaller rides with each other almost every weekend. Its kinda like family. I really do enjoy the rallies and meetups with other chapters.
Sounds like punishment! Punishment for one's right to have a drink and a drive, and for going out to see what one may find, Did you make the coffee and put out the cake, too? Stop anti drug laws & M. A. D. D.
@@chevafootbrave7875 you "right" to drink and drive? Thats not a right. Impairment can kill others. Its not like we have enough people on the road trying to kill us, with cell phones, getting high, and drinking. Last thing we need, is to limit our faculties with drugs or alcohol, then get behind the bars or the wheel. I enjoy my alcohol. Hell, I have been certified as a scotch taster. But, I dont drink and drive. Ever. Its not worth my career, its not worth the life of someone else, and certainly not worth my own life. There is a time and place for everything. Enjoying a libation after a ride, sure. But never during, or before.
HOG or the Chapter thing is not for me. Got a lot of friends who are chapter members, and keep getting asked to join... Ride outs are too structured, they do the road captain thing and not wanting to generalise tend to ride baggers. Seems like it's who's got the biggest, most expensive bike etc. On a basic level, I think the patches are naff 😂 I ride a Sportster and am in the Sportster Sickness an fb group, much more informal. A great club for you could be the Hdrgb (Harley Davidson Riders of GB), a lot cheaper, no "rules" and lots of regional ride outs, weekend rallies etc. Either way, let us know the route you take!
Been a member of HOG for 20 plus years, I have joined in an out of chapters. I am in 3 chapters, right at this time, but the thing I tell people most of all, Some dealers give discounts, u get to meet people who ride like you, U are not required to go to any events, but always about riding that is what you have a bike for lIke everything u get out of it what you put in to it. HOG is A Family type riding group. Like anything, wrong people can make it crapy good people can make it good. Even if your a single rider I have a few of them in the chapter, I have met and gone riding with , U dont have to ride with everyone in the chapter you don't have to be friends with them either.
I am HOG member and chapter member for a few years now. Love riding with a group and offcourse my new SportGlide. If you ever come to the Netherlands visit our Chapter in Rotterdam, World Port Chapter
This is a great question. In the US, you get discounts on various things (e.g., insurance, mobile phone subscriptions, roadside service) for about $50 per year. They have great charity ride events. Still looking for a good local chapter but you must be a US member before joining any local chapters. Seems like a good way to meet other riders.
Any group or club will be varied .. you can't generalize as you probably know. I belong to a club and I choose it because their riding style is the same as mine.. Not that any particular "Club" has a riding style but with in a club there's always a group that sets the pace... My advice would be to go on a ride, see if you fit in !! Personally I don't like sitting around all day.. l like ride for an hour or two, have a meal and a drink then another two or even three hours riding home . Perfect I think this is the best way to decide on a club or group to join. Don't worry about stereotypes. 👌 Enjoy
Personally i Ride my new 2019 softail slim of my own no partners. if you are Lone ⭐️ love riding of your own if you want no strings Hog is not for you. Enjoy your ride Be safe🥃🥃
I'm in a HoG chapter since my father inlaw is in one. He gifted me patches and paid my first year membership when i bought my first (used) harley. Thought it was something nice to bond over with. But being 33 now. I'm the youngest one by almost 20 years... All retired people. Or business owners only riding the most expensive and biggest bikes. It's nice to ride from time to time. But nothing i'd join on my own. Age diffrence and culture diffrence is a bit to big for me personally. And a big no no for me is going on 2-3 day ride only to sleep in a hotel.... The weather is great.. bring a tent have some fun on your own terms. But that's me.
Hey Alf, how did you get on with HOG did you visit Thames Valley or Oxford Chapters? HOG has been part of my Harley life for a long time now and I’ve made some great friends. It’s about finding the bits that suit you and the other members that share the same interests. But you’ll find members going for short rides, solo rides, group rides, family events, meals out, rallies, touring etc etc
Hi Gordon yes unfortunately I’ve not had the chance to go and they basically stopped meetings for a long time due to COVID but they do have limited numbers rides going on these days. It’s just a matter of timing at the moment. Cheers
Alf Like you I got 12 month free membership with my sportglide, I'm a bit like the others that have replied in that I prefer to ride a lot of time on my own, or with just a select few friends. I did a bit of digging/ enqs with and regards my local chapter, re meetings, ride outs, gatherings etc, not for me I found them all a bit too anal with stuff for my liking to be honest it all had too much of an air of the old hd stereotype for me. A bit up their own arse if you know what I mean. Whether all chapters are the same I don't know I suppose you would have to experience your local ones. That's my twopence-worth anyway and of course as always only my personal opinion , so please don't anyone take offence as non was meant.
Thanks for that honest opinion and exactly what I was thinking could be a possibility too. It could well be a case that I’m just not suited to that kind of rigid riding either
You don’t need to join a chapter, you don’t need to attach patches, you don’t need to go on rides and events. In HOG you can do as you please. HOG is an Owners Riding Group, in the motorcycle club world HOG don’t represent a threat and hold no status whatsoever in that world. Harley Davidson have sought agreement from leading and dominant MC’s to allow the HOG patches to be worn, importantly it must never include a bottom rocker.
@@RD-nu8sg regardless of what you choose to do personally or what you choose to disregard in the way of protocol, nobody with a bottom rocker gets to ride with the two chapters of HOG that I’m a member of.
@@pa6793 I live my own life, don't care to ride with your chapter. If you let criminals and dope heads dictate what you wear that's something you have to live with. I ride with folks who don't give two turds what criminals think they control.
Haha. I wonder how many other people found this from the HOG tag which is the name of the Tom MacDonald fan club. I checked it out thinking it might be some humor related to tying the Harley Owners Group somehow to the other group.
Every group is different I've been in two groups first group was not a bad of bunch of ppl however my girlfriend bought a bike not a harley and was not welcomed to ride with the group so I contacted another group and rhey said no worries all are welcome however after sometime it feels like there groups within the groups like clicks who don't associate with newbies then came a big ride ride for dad about 130 bikes riding in a group I should back up a bit in got a bad leg a have not been able to hold up my bike so I had a sidecar built for it any way ny first ride was this ride for site with my didecar..I thought I did fine kept up with the group at the next monthly meeting I was informed that I was banned from riding with the group cause several members complained about my riding skill slso my girlfriend was banned as she was looking out for me during the ride. So now we do our riding to together on our own terms. And at our own speed so there you have it buy the way I'm a life member or hog finding for 60 years am currently 75 years
Yep you can join with any Harley-Davidson. As for joining hog, I think you can still join without owning or riding a Harley but I think in most areas they don’t let you ride with them on organised rides if you don’t ride a Harley, but I could be mistaken in that
I have been a member for over 20 years and am cancelling my membership in protest against HD over the way they have treated Danny Hayes from Million Dollan Bogan...Screw Corporate PC Wankers at HD
I see it just like Alf. If you like to travel with like-minded people, you will feel very comfortable in this motorcycle club. For me, this is too close and committed.
RevelatorAlf Technically, you already are. I think you get a free year when you bought your bike. Agree with another’s comment. All kinds of people. I’m kind of a loner too. It just exposes you to different people. Choose to participate or not. Ride safe
@@ranchocopper Yep absolutely so. I wonder if there exists a group or club for loners? Hmmm I think there's an oxymoron in there somewhere. Cheers ha ha
I was really enjoying this video right up until you said drink coffee!! We can’t be friends now🤪. Tea is the drink of choice dear Alf. Btw, did you get the HOG tin with a patch, a bell and a booklet?
Ha ha, I drink tea as well but if you put your milk in first then hot water with tea bag, or put milk in before the tea has had chance to brew, we would be mortal enemies ha ha ha. Yes I got the HOG patch and badge, booklet etc but mine came in a leather type zipped binder. Cheers
I've been a member of HOG for nearly 20 years and a life member for about 15. I enjoyed listening to your comments as a new Harley owner. I've met so many friends through HOG, one of them lives in England (I'm Canadian) and we are both Snowbirds in Florida each winter. It is global in scope, and that's a good thing. I think it will be interesting following you so I just subscribed to your channel. By the way I just did a video on why I'm a HOG member. Maybe you can watch it. th-cam.com/video/d65ImZD_9CY/w-d-xo.html Cheers.
All a matter of personality I suppose. I'm sure there are benefits and rewards. People are people, I'll go out on a limb here and suggest there'll be good, bad and indifferent as in any gathering. Personally, I've never been a great 'joiner'. Not that I think I'm better than anyone else, just dont want to be one of them is all. If you fancy it, heres to you, not for me...........
Made that mistake once in my life. It didn't feel right at all wearing a backpatch I bought and not earned! Question is always what you bring in, in a club, besides your money.
@@richardclark2232 Need no HOG to ride with friends thru different country's. As said, my HOG experiences are not so good. Been a member for four years.
You weren’t talking about rides or experiences, you were talking about wearing a purchased back patch. I was with an RC briefly and I had to buy my back patch, before that I prospected for an MC and had to pay $75 for my prospect patches. Each club or organization has their identifying regalia; HOG doesn’t wear a 3 piece patch and MC’s don’t mess with HOG because they do their thing and don’t conflict with MC’s.
First you need to join the dealership chapter. Group riding is the best part. Extra discounts for chapter members on dealer days also a great feature. People are friendly and welcoming. I have found that there are groups within the group. It can be quite “clicky” when you go off for a ride out, with groups separating and hanging together at lunch stops and you’re left twiddling your thumbs. So not all embracing but still fun riding. If you are not living close to the dealership you are pretty much out in the cold as nothing comes to you. I am 80 miles away and everything they organize is based around the dealership with no effort made to arrange things in the wider area that the dealership sells to.
👉 Watch this next! Find out how good the Sport Glide handles through the bends: th-cam.com/video/XF7UJ3TeNOg/w-d-xo.html
I live in London born and (still currently being raised here, I’m 14 nearly 15) My dads best friend is in The Lithuanian [HOG Vilnius Next Chapter] I was invited to one of the Baltic annual gatherings, and my god I’ve never felt better. It felt like home, yes I’m young but it felt like family, I love the idea of travelling around the world with friends with your Harley preferably listening to rock, and representing your country. Its amazing!! ❤️🇱🇹
I lost my Harley in a mudslide two years ago. I now ride a Yamaha but still keep my HOG membership. One of the major advantages of riding Harley is the friends you make through HOG.
I know this is a late entry to the party, but I'll throw you my 2 cents on HOGs and groups in general. I started riding about 4 months ago, and I picked a Harley for my first bike. Mainly because I've been attracted to the "classic" aesthetic that they've kept through the years. I then joined the nearest HOG in my area, that is in Perugia (Italy). The group represented a way for me to branch out, to leave my comfort zone in a way. I'm generally very closed, but finding a group of people that shared a common passion meant the world for me, and bridged the gap that my introverted personality could not. It made me love travelling again and seeing new places, something that I never enjoyed before. Perhaps to some people, these things are something they already possessed in their life (friends and travelling), but for likeminded people like myself, the HOG groups represent a gateway to new and exciting things, with Harleys as the common denominator.
yes indeed
I have been a member for 5 years. I joined initially when I got back into bikes, and met some great friends through it. I have become very active within the chapter; organizing rides, coming up with group activities, etc. I really enjoy it. So much so, I am now the assistant director.
As to us being a "club": certainly not. We are a group of riders who enjoy the HD lifestyle. Nothing more. No membership requirements other than dues. Hell, you dont even have to show up! I think each chapter is vastly different. Mine is pretty active, and we have a good time. We do several charity rides a year, and you'll find a few of us doing smaller rides with each other almost every weekend. Its kinda like family. I really do enjoy the rallies and meetups with other chapters.
Bill Reed now that sounds great I must say. Cheers
Totally agree with the above, not a club but a chapter. Planned monthly ride outs plenty unplanned too. Worth the money for the fun you get out of it.
Sounds like punishment! Punishment for one's right to have a drink and a drive, and for going out to see what one may find,
Did you make the coffee and put out the cake, too?
Stop anti drug laws & M. A. D. D.
@@chevafootbrave7875 you "right" to drink and drive? Thats not a right. Impairment can kill others. Its not like we have enough people on the road trying to kill us, with cell phones, getting high, and drinking. Last thing we need, is to limit our faculties with drugs or alcohol, then get behind the bars or the wheel.
I enjoy my alcohol. Hell, I have been certified as a scotch taster. But, I dont drink and drive. Ever. Its not worth my career, its not worth the life of someone else, and certainly not worth my own life. There is a time and place for everything. Enjoying a libation after a ride, sure. But never during, or before.
HOG or the Chapter thing is not for me. Got a lot of friends who are chapter members, and keep getting asked to join... Ride outs are too structured, they do the road captain thing and not wanting to generalise tend to ride baggers. Seems like it's who's got the biggest, most expensive bike etc. On a basic level, I think the patches are naff 😂 I ride a Sportster and am in the Sportster Sickness an fb group, much more informal. A great club for you could be the Hdrgb (Harley Davidson Riders of GB), a lot cheaper, no "rules" and lots of regional ride outs, weekend rallies etc. Either way, let us know the route you take!
Yep not too sure myself either about the whole thing but def let you know. Cheers
@@RevelatorAlf good luck mate 👍
@@funguseater40 Cheers fella
That was exactly the impression I got of HOG, in fact all a bit smug and pleased with themselves. HDRCGB is much more down to earth in my experience.
Jeez this video could have been 30 seconds long
Yes it could
Stumbled upon your channel randomly. Don't have a harley but love em. See you're a hammer too so subbed!
Nice. Cheers
Been a member of HOG for 20 plus years, I have joined in an out of chapters. I am in 3 chapters, right at this time, but the thing I tell people most of all, Some dealers give discounts, u get to meet people who ride like you, U are not required to go to any events, but always about riding that is what you have a bike for lIke everything u get out of it what you put in to it. HOG is A Family type riding group. Like anything, wrong people can make it crapy good people can make it good. Even if your a single rider I have a few of them in the chapter, I have met and gone riding with , U dont have to ride with everyone in the chapter you don't have to be friends with them either.
Thanks for that insight. I still plan to go to my local chapter for a visit but just ha eat had time recently, but I will. Cheers
What do you get from the 50 membership ?
@@bigg1103 go to HOG.com sure it is explained on the web page what you get from your national.
I am HOG member and chapter member for a few years now. Love riding with a group and offcourse my new SportGlide. If you ever come to the Netherlands visit our Chapter in Rotterdam, World Port Chapter
That's great to hear. Glad you're moving your new bike too. Certainly will. Thanks for the invitation.
This is a great question. In the US, you get discounts on various things (e.g., insurance, mobile phone subscriptions, roadside service) for about $50 per year. They have great charity ride events. Still looking for a good local chapter but you must be a US member before joining any local chapters. Seems like a good way to meet other riders.
Yes I would say so too. Cheers
Any group or club will be varied .. you can't generalize as you probably know.
I belong to a club and I choose it because their riding style is the same as mine.. Not that any particular "Club" has a riding style but with in a club there's always a group that sets the pace...
My advice would be to go on a ride, see if you fit in !!
Personally I don't like sitting around all day.. l like ride for an hour or two, have a meal and a drink then another two or even three hours riding home .
Perfect
I think this is the best way to decide on a club or group to join. Don't worry about stereotypes. 👌
Enjoy
Great advice Peter, thanks
Personally i Ride my new 2019 softail slim of my own no partners. if you are Lone ⭐️ love riding of your own if you want no strings Hog is not for you. Enjoy your ride Be safe🥃🥃
HARLEY LAD😎 cheers fella. Yep thinking the same too
I'm in a HoG chapter since my father inlaw is in one. He gifted me patches and paid my first year membership when i bought my first (used) harley. Thought it was something nice to bond over with. But being 33 now. I'm the youngest one by almost 20 years... All retired people. Or business owners only riding the most expensive and biggest bikes. It's nice to ride from time to time. But nothing i'd join on my own. Age diffrence and culture diffrence is a bit to big for me personally. And a big no no for me is going on 2-3 day ride only to sleep in a hotel.... The weather is great.. bring a tent have some fun on your own terms. But that's me.
yep I hear you
Hey Alf, how did you get on with HOG did you visit Thames Valley or Oxford Chapters? HOG has been part of my Harley life for a long time now and I’ve made some great friends. It’s about finding the bits that suit you and the other members that share the same interests. But you’ll find members going for short rides, solo rides, group rides, family events, meals out, rallies, touring etc etc
Hi Gordon yes unfortunately I’ve not had the chance to go and they basically stopped meetings for a long time due to COVID but they do have limited numbers rides going on these days. It’s just a matter of timing at the moment. Cheers
Alf Like you I got 12 month free membership with my sportglide, I'm a bit like the others that have replied in that I prefer to ride a lot of time on my own, or with just a select few friends. I did a bit of digging/ enqs with and regards my local chapter, re meetings, ride outs, gatherings etc, not for me I found them all a bit too anal with stuff for my liking to be honest it all had too much of an air of the old hd stereotype for me. A bit up their own arse if you know what I mean. Whether all chapters are the same I don't know I suppose you would have to experience your local ones. That's my twopence-worth anyway and of course as always only my personal opinion , so please don't anyone take offence as non was meant.
Thanks for that honest opinion and exactly what I was thinking could be a possibility too. It could well
be a case that I’m just not suited to that kind of rigid riding either
You don’t need to join a chapter, you don’t need to attach patches, you don’t need to go on rides and events. In HOG you can do as you please. HOG is an Owners Riding Group, in the motorcycle club world HOG don’t represent a threat and hold no status whatsoever in that world. Harley Davidson have sought agreement from leading and dominant MC’s to allow the HOG patches to be worn, importantly it must never include a bottom rocker.
It should never include a bottom rocker IF you care what criminals think.
@@RD-nu8sg regardless of what you choose to do personally or what you choose to disregard in the way of protocol, nobody with a bottom rocker gets to ride with the two chapters of HOG that I’m a member of.
@@pa6793 I live my own life, don't care to ride with your chapter. If you let criminals and dope heads dictate what you wear that's something you have to live with. I ride with folks who don't give two turds what criminals think they control.
Haha. I wonder how many other people found this from the HOG tag which is the name of the Tom MacDonald fan club. I checked it out thinking it might be some humor related to tying the Harley Owners Group somehow to the other group.
Yep nothing to do with that ha ha
Every group is different I've been in two groups first group was not a bad of bunch of ppl however my girlfriend bought a bike not a harley and was not welcomed to ride with the group so I contacted another group and rhey said no worries all are welcome however after sometime it feels like there groups within the groups like clicks who don't associate with newbies then came a big ride ride for dad about 130 bikes riding in a group I should back up a bit in got a bad leg a have not been able to hold up my bike so I had a sidecar built for it any way ny first ride was this ride for site with my didecar..I thought I did fine kept up with the group at the next monthly meeting I was informed that I was banned from riding with the group cause several members complained about my riding skill slso my girlfriend was banned as she was looking out for me during the ride. So now we do our riding to together on our own terms. And at our own speed so there you have it buy the way I'm a life member or hog finding for 60 years am currently 75 years
Boy this one is a long one
yep
Hi
I'm thinking about joining a hog chapter ,can I join with a 72 sportster ?
Thanks
Dave from Scotland
Yep you can join with any Harley-Davidson. As for joining hog, I think you can still join without owning or riding a Harley but I think in most areas they don’t let you ride with them on organised rides if you don’t ride a Harley, but I could be mistaken in that
@@RevelatorAlf
Thanks for the info
Regards
Dave
@@RevelatorAlf you can only join HOG if you have a Harley when you sign up they require your vin as proof you own one ,
I have been a member for over 20 years and am cancelling my membership in protest against HD over the way they have treated Danny Hayes from Million Dollan Bogan...Screw Corporate PC Wankers at HD
Yes he’s not the only one either. Lots of dealerships have been told to toe the corporate line I reckon
I have just recently started watching all Vlogs with Danny.. could you shed some light on how HD treated him? Cheers
I see it just like Alf. If you like to travel with like-minded people, you will feel very comfortable in this motorcycle club. For me, this is too close and committed.
Cheers
New experience, why not?
Absolutely so. No harm in looking at all. Always up for meeting new people too.
RevelatorAlf Technically, you already are. I think you get a free year when you bought your bike. Agree with another’s comment. All kinds of people. I’m kind of a loner too. It just exposes you to different people. Choose to participate or not. Ride safe
@@ranchocopper Yep absolutely so. I wonder if there exists a group or club for loners? Hmmm I think there's an oxymoron in there somewhere. Cheers ha ha
I was really enjoying this video right up until you said drink coffee!! We can’t be friends now🤪. Tea is the drink of choice dear Alf.
Btw, did you get the HOG tin with a patch, a bell and a booklet?
Ha ha, I drink tea as well but if you put your milk in first then hot water with tea bag, or put milk in before the tea has had chance to brew, we would be mortal enemies ha ha ha.
Yes I got the HOG patch and badge, booklet etc but mine came in a leather type zipped binder. Cheers
I've been a member of HOG for nearly 20 years and a life member for about 15. I enjoyed listening to your comments as a new Harley owner. I've met so many friends through HOG, one of them lives in England (I'm Canadian) and we are both Snowbirds in Florida each winter. It is global in scope, and that's a good thing. I think it will be interesting following you so I just subscribed to your channel. By the way I just did a video on why I'm a HOG member. Maybe you can watch it. th-cam.com/video/d65ImZD_9CY/w-d-xo.html Cheers.
Actually mine is just coming up for renewal but not had any notifications or correspondence, so will have to chase that up. Cheers
He sucks his teeth every damn 10 seconds
This Guy talks too much about nothing at all!
Yep
Thanks we just snagged a 2010 HD ultra classic with the 103. We have the paperwork to join now just doing some research.
All a matter of personality I suppose.
I'm sure there are benefits and rewards.
People are people, I'll go out on a limb here and suggest there'll be good, bad and indifferent as in any gathering.
Personally, I've never been a great 'joiner'.
Not that I think I'm better than anyone else, just dont want to be one of them is all.
If you fancy it, heres to you, not for me...........
I'm cut of the same cloth too. No harm in bimbling along to meet and greet. See how that goes.
Made that mistake once in my life. It didn't feel right at all wearing a backpatch I bought and not earned! Question is always what you bring in, in a club, besides your money.
You don’t have to prospect for Riding Clubs, but they also focus more on riding than the whole MC lifestyle.
@@richardclark2232
Need no HOG to ride with friends thru different country's. As said, my HOG experiences are not so good. Been a member for four years.
You weren’t talking about rides or experiences, you were talking about wearing a purchased back patch. I was with an RC briefly and I had to buy my back patch, before that I prospected for an MC and had to pay $75 for my prospect patches. Each club or organization has their identifying regalia; HOG doesn’t wear a 3 piece patch and MC’s don’t mess with HOG because they do their thing and don’t conflict with MC’s.
Different chapters bring different things but they do organise great events such as the Annual rallies in Europe and the States
First you need to join the dealership chapter.
Group riding is the best part. Extra discounts for chapter members on dealer days also a great feature.
People are friendly and welcoming.
I have found that there are groups within the group. It can be quite “clicky” when you go off for a ride out, with groups separating and hanging together at lunch stops and you’re left twiddling your thumbs. So not all embracing but still fun riding.
If you are not living close to the dealership you are pretty much out in the cold as nothing comes to you. I am 80 miles away and everything they organize is based around the dealership with no effort made to arrange things in the wider area that the dealership sells to.