Soygon saying cartoons in the 80s were more "sincere" than cartoons today might actually be the dumbest thing he has ever said. The entirety of children's media in the 80s existed solely to sell toys. He-man, GI Joe, Thunder Cats, My Little Pony, Care Bears, etc. ALL these shows had massive toy and merchandise lines.
But also, those cartoons were "woke" by their standards. Especially He-Man and original She-Ra. There was always a lesson at the end of every episode, like racism and sexism are bad, eat your vegetables, etc...
Not to mention all the “woke” messaging they all had. He-man in particular had several episodes about social issues. My little pony was also a show about friendship, a conservative’s worst nightmare.
@xrosrider6062 Yep, and neither side ultimately comes out on top or looking good. Beachcomber can't even celebrate the Autobots' victory because of all the damage that resulted from it.
I love that Shad and Sargon unironically worship He-Man when that show was literally called the “gayest show on television” by the people who made it. Literally. A bunch of queer cartoon producers and artists just made a world of buff men and took it as far as they thought they could, and Shad just guzzled it all down without stopping for a moment to reflect as an adult.
As He-Man fan I can tell that conservatives don't deserve He-Man. And also, I love 80s cartoons, I think they are goofy and silly and I mean it in very caring and loving way. But alas, they weren't peak of fiction most of the time and we shouldn't pretend they were. (It doesn't mean that 80s cartoons don't deserve love, they definitely do)
Conservatives don't *understand* He-Man. It's another example of them being terrible with media literacy. He-Man wears pink, respects women, loves his friends and family, and is just a good dude and an example of healthy masculinity. One of the messages has always been about inclusivity. And I mean, he is quite heavily queer-coded...
"He Man has conservative messages" -Soygon of Awkward, 2023 “It was a joke in the studio. Everybody was saying, ‘Prince Adam is gay.’” -Erika Scheimer, daughter of He Man's executive producer, voice actress in both He Man and She-Ra, and open lesbian "Filmation welcomed many openly gay artists throughout the 1980s who perhaps longed to see themselves onscreen" -Also Erika Scheimer, daughter of He Man's executive producer, voice actress in both He Man and She-Ra, and open lesbian
Little correction here: Erika Scheimer voiced multiple characters in Masters of the Universe, but she didn't voice She-Ra or Adora. That was Melendy Britt. Who is also a supporter of LGBTQIA rights.
I used to be a shadiversity fan and honestly back then he didnt give any conservative vibes whatsoever. He even often collabed with a lot of the more "woke" channels which made it easy to trust him....
Kids show has always had messages like be kind, don't steal, be respectful etc. but when that turns into be respectful to gay people anti sjws loose their minds
“Kids cartoons these days aren’t sincere” I don’t know how you can watch Stephen Universe, Gravity Falls, Star vs the Forces of Evil, MLP: Friendship is Magic, Voltron, She-Ra, Amphibia, Owl House, etc. and think they’re “not sincere”. Unless you’re just mad that they have minorities in them sometimes.
MLP: Friendhsip is Magic is probably one of the most sincere, genuine shows made for younger audiences in a long time. It has the 90's vibes of "Written for parents and kids." Plus the community is wonderful! So many cute oc horses and art. I've met some amazingly genuine people at conventions. So many people without a single bad bone in their body.
I will tell anyone to watch the Owl House episode "Reaching Out", and tell me that the feeling there is insincere. And I too commend MLP for carrying visual quality alongside its lessons, but also for leveling up with its plots and themes as it went along, growing with its original audience to an extent. I mean, there is an episode where one character has a brother who lives with their parents and wanders between jobs because he is afraid of failure. A LOT of folks felt that episode hit close to home.
yeah this would require them to watch the shows they complain about. and they arent doing that. Fuck I didnt for a long time. I was down the hole when She-Ra came out and didnt watch it. now I am _not_ a shit person and mid-way through season 4, and I hate I waited that long because its so fucking good.
The "and now you know" ending messages in 80s cartoons were only there because they had to include something educational or else it was legally declared a half hour commerical. That's why it was also just the most basic, "don't take pills from the cabinet" and "don't get into a strangers car". They were the opposite of sincere, they had messages because they had too, shows like MLP FiM are sincere because they didn't need go so hard.
Also, aren't these the same people who were complaining about media being preachy with "messages" instead of "just telling a good story" during GamerGate?
The best thing about all this is, the creatives behind the original Masters of the Universe cartoon were pretty strongly progressive. They would be disgusted by the same people who wrote their childhood.
In defense of some the older cartoons, I can honestly say that Looney Tunes introduced me to classical music, drag, pronouns, and the magical properties of anvils. I still love watching those cartoons.
Fun history fact: Chivalrous knight stories are the original copaganda. Basically what happened is that knights were raping so many women that the gentry was like, "We gotta clean up ur image!" and made up a bunch of stories.
No doubt that did happen, the medieval period and warfare was brutal, where women were often spared their life, defeated men were frequently massacred. Do you also accept the fact that the Muslim armies that invaded, conquered and colonized nearly all of Spain in 8th Century and raided Southern France and Italy also raped, killed and enslaved Europeans?
Isn't that the guy who got all ass hurt about princess Peach wearing pants in the Mario movie? These dudes all look and sound the same, so it's rather difficult to tell them apart.
Also in response to the "Skyler cheated on Walt" thing. She did that to make Walt want to divorce her. She asked for a divorce, Walt said no. So she sleeps with Ted and IMMEDIATLY tells Walt she fucked Ted that same evening! She did a bad thing to protect her family. Oh but when Walt does bad things "to protect his family" that's fine. Because he's not a cheating woman. The worst thing you can be apparently to these people.
I mean, as I recall it's a documented phenomenon in media studies that on average people, particularly men, tend to show a significantly worse reaction towards unsympathetic female characters than male ones.
Walt kills people and sells an extremely dangerous drug, as well as threatens Skyler into staying quiet (basically holds his family hostage). But Skyler commits infidelity in an effort to get her kids away from her DANGEROUS DRUG DEAKER HUSBAND, and they lose their shit. She should have told Hank the second she found out tbh
@@yungmuney5903 I have a vague recollection of it being something that was covered in some media and writing courses I took over a decade ago but I can't name a specific study off the top of my head, and typing "unsympathetic female character" in to Google would seem to have me needing to wade through a lot of chuddy Reddit posts to find anything even somewhat academic.
@@tatersalad76 plus gaslights the fuck out of Jessie in order to manipulate him throughout the whole show….turning him into a murderer. Is the cause of Jane’s death, allows Jessie to be captured and enslaved by Nazis….oh and POISONS A CHILD. But Skyler had sex with another man so clearly the actress playing her deserved all those death threats.
What drives me nuts about the whole "He-Man taught us morals" when in interviews they admit they would tack moral lessons on at the end because of the moral code IMPOSED on them. Like shut up. You don't need to TELL people the morals.
Soygon saying modern cartoons aren't as sincere as 80s cartoons when back then cartoons were made SPECIFICALLY to sell the toy line is so fucking funny
Their argument really is: "This old cartoon taught kids about the magna carta and how men should act, and thats great. I think its important for that to influence children. But new cartoons try to teach kids things and influence kids, and that is despicable."
These same people if they existed in '69: “UGH, MR. ROGERS INVITING A BLACK GUY ONTO HIS SHOW? ANOTHER ILLUMINATI PUPPET SELLING OUT TO THE WOKE MOB! 😡”
propaganda is LE GOOD when it pushes what I want, and LE BAD when it pushes what I don't want (even when the "propaganda" in children's media nowadays is far more subtle and nuanced than the "Don't Do Drugs Mkay" era of the 80s)
Love the content Xan. I’m gonna repeat a talking point that a lot of anime channels repeat. We need to stop calling animation its own genre, it’s a medium of art. That’s why western animation is either Big Mouth/Family Guy or “for kids” because animation itself is considered a genre. Instead of just being a “animated horror” or “animated sitcom”
@Chihirolee3 my friend. I will always recommend bojack to anyone. But you have to admit, it needs a mile long list of trigger warnings. Lot of heavy topics and trauma.
@@azroceankitarn9620 I remember that I wasn't that interested in Bojack Horseman, because the preview pictures on Netflix made it look like some childish Family Guy on drugs clone. But one day I was super bored and didn't know what to watch. So I started to binge the whole series, I watched through the night and went to the store at 7am to buy vodka because at that point I was already in a mentally unstable state and just felt like drinking is the only way to get through the rest of the series. I didn't get totally wasted, but I kept a steady level.
@@Chihirolee3 honestly probably one of the best animated shows out there. It does get a lot of praise from anyone that treats animation with respect. Johnny 2 Cellos did a video on just about every episode.
Let's be honest, most cartoons from the 80s were meant to market toys and breakfast cereal, including He-Man. They were basically considered secondary to what kids saw during commercial breaks. They are probably the least sincere era of shows ever created.
Based off of the lotus eaters thing he is doing, he is very obviously well funded by some right-wing doner. Also, the last I checked, his channel doesn't do well enough for the level of polish his lotus-eater shit has. As I recall, I think ChrisRayGun mentioned back in the day some right-wingers wanted to fund him if he exclusively became a talking head for them. He declined and said other people he knew did take that offer, and it's obvious who those people are.
It was Jack Saint who exposed Chudiversity, after he railed against the Super Mario Bros movie, because Princess Peach wore pants, medieval princesses don't wear trousers. Chud was so unhinged, he failed to recognise that Super Mario was a videogame from Japan, it was fantasy, that's like trying to claim Dungeons and Dragons _actually_ happened in history, by the way, Princess Peach wore pants in Mario Kart, but I guess he never played Nintendo outside of the 8-bit era. As for Soygon, he is extremely ignorant of the fact that cartoons of the 80s were overengineered commercials meant to sell toys, basically "Buy He-Man action figures, or the Commies win", all of that sincerity is him, defending his corporately mandated childhood, and that's the cusp of Chud and Soy, they are treating capitalism as if it were a holy religion, pesky things such as fun and history, are mere aesthetics meant to sell holy capitalism to your children, those two _seriously_ need professional help.
And it's not even like the original 80s cartoons weren't """woke""" I mean hell, they are currently re-running some of them and in one of the episodes, one of those little morals stories - those morals that are explicitly tacked on at the end and then spilled out in simple words so a kid can understand them - pretty much literally boiled down to "You must save nature or we're all screwed". And one was an oh so thinly veiled "don't be a bloody racist man" and, though I'm not entirely sure anymore (and couldn't find a compilation of all of them), I'm like... 99% certain either He-Man or She-Ra once had one that basically was as thinly veiled an "it's okay to be gay" as one could do in that era
@@sergeysmirnov1062 At least according to one of the voice actresses from the original shows, He-Man and She-Ra were always meant to be coded as gay shows and much of the animation studio were LGBT (Erika Scheimer herself is lesbian). Though there is that this might just be a smart money move on their (hers and Mattel's) part since He-Man's been a gay icon for decades. Tho I don't think the exact truth on that matters so much as how it reflects how firmly established He-Man's status as a gay icon is.
Shadiversity: "So you see, that's why the shape of the sword-hilts in the hit fantasy show 'The Adventures of Feirefiz' is completely historically innaccurate. The slightly different shape of the metal was so historically inaccurate and nonsensical was unable to suspend my disbelief at all because of this. Zero immersion, completely unbelievable." Me: "Cool. Now do the story of bronze/iron age people traveling to the New World across the Atlantic ocean in hand-built, wooden submarines from The Book of Mormon."
Notice how they never define what they mean by “perverse.” I know we all have a pretty good idea of what they mean, but I’d love for them to explicitly say it and try to defend it.
Just like using generic slogans but never defining what they are. MAGA is one example. When was it great? What made it great back then? What will they actually do to make it great again? All slogans, no details.
I'm currently getting my master's degree in Medieval Studies, and I've noticed a very black and white 60/40 split in the community. 40% of us are people who are merely interested in the specific era, and want to learn everything we can about it from a neutral and skeptical perspective (as all historians should approach their work). On the other hand, 60% are people who romanticize an era where Christian theocratic monarchy ruled the Western world. It didn't take long for me to realize Shad is among that 60%.
It's crazy out there as medievalists myself but I'm happy it's not THAT bad nowadays with the community. Most fascists are so fucking open now and there are always bullet points like crusades, women and church in high and later medieval times but yea... In Poland, most history nerds are just fascists who want to jerk off to Hussars, Crusades and "Great Poland" or some strange ultra-slavic tankies.
"Woke" is never defined by conservadroogs. Read every time they say "woke" as "diverse" and "complex". Read everytime they describe old cartoons as "wholesome" as "hidden innuendo that we wink and nod at".
Conservatives at the time lost their minds over Star Treck. Kirk kissing Uhura famously drew a massive reaction from conservatives. Hell, it even had same comparisons to degenerasey that are used against LGBTQ+ representations today.
@@Montesama314 Don't forget Toph, a blind girl younger than the main character but is very powerful and is his snarky and brutal mentor? They would done have a hundreds of videos screaming how Nickelodeon is "woke" now.
If "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" were to be released today, it would create a brain hemorrhage for some people and they would question "when did Star Trek become so woke?!" That series had a black captain who was an amazing father, a first officer that literally was a terrorist and killed fascist for sport, a science officer who was both male and female in various lives, and an engineer who was a Union man. Those elements are every youtube grifter's wet dream in 2023.
The thing I like the most about modern cartoons is that they allow the characters to actually be characters rather than just caricatures of concepts. They are allowed to be flawed. They are allowed to make mistakes. They learn and grow from it. Infinity train is all about confronting trauma and goes into the various ways people cope with what they have to deal with in their lives. The first and final season have such amazing antagonists where you can understand where they are coming from and want them to do better when they have trapped themselves in a downward spiral of horrible coping mechanisms and self-destructive tendencies
Agreed. Cartoon characters feel less like personified archetypes and more like actual people. Makes it easier for kids to connect to them and idolize them.
Oh they DO care about flaws, but only when its on the topic of women characters. Hence mary sue, easily weaponized by them with its 'defaulted to female' nature of the term despite men dominating leading roles since forever.
Every kids cartoon post mid 1970s has had messages or morals in it. The only difference now is unlike He Man, Luz Noceda doesn't turn to the camera and directly say "Authoritarianism and racism are bad."
"Fabulous secret powers were revealed to me" while he's doing a rainbow transformation into wearing that skimpy gitup. He has a cat, a grumpy monarch dad who hates him, and despite being 99% muscle he always tries to solve issues without fighting first and foremost. He also wore basically only pink tights. Conservatives would be outrage if he dropped as the mc of a cartoon NOW, completely unchanged. Much less in the 80s! 😂
@@ExtremeMadnessX my point was that the PSAs were forced by the studios. They didn't put their all into them because they had to say it. Not saying they didn't believe what they were told to say, Captain Planet had a whole episode dedicated to HIV in late 92 right when that practice was winding down.
@@JakeLuke716 Why? Isnt your side the ones who defended Cuties? Seriously man, basically nobody outside manosphere misoginists and anarcho-capitalists defends or watches Cuties.
I am so glad the anti-sjw community is dead. A lot of those channels aren't even around anymore, changed or at least so irrelevant, they don't even matter. Sargon: Irrelevant. ThunderF00t: Makes cool science videos. Hunter: Changed his ways and became a liberal Blaire: Doubled down Chris Ray Gun: Changed and became chill. SomeBlackGuy: Changed and became chill. Undoomed: Don't know he's up to but he had a REALLY cool voice. Bearing: Doubled down. Andy Warski: Bloodsports killed his channel. Armored Skeptic: I swear to god, I think he's trying to start a cult. Shoe: Sadly ended up reverting back to her old ways.
I don’t think it’s dead _quite_ yet, but it’s absolutely mortally wounded. There are a few channels clinging to it, but eventually even they will move on or become irrelevant. It seems like a lot of right-wing content these days isn’t trying to convince people like anti-sjw content did, but rather tends towards being more overtly insane, and appeals to people who are already sold on the politics.
That "He-man is Needed" vid was what made me drop Shad ngl. I mean, even without the sheer idiocy of saying "He-Man taught kids the value of becoming stronger from hard work" *after telling his story of when he **_ASKED SANTA for superpowers,_* his misogyny became rather apparent.
I still feel Johnny Bravo aged well. Jokes for the kids and the adults, clever humor and it had a consistent moral I feel to it. Everytime Johnny tried the pickup aetist shit and acted cringe and creepy towards women, he got punished. Usually with comical gag violence. However, Johnny was always rewarded by women and others for NOT indulging in his toxic masculinity traits (ones he clearly felt were needed so he put them on) and instead acted like the real Johnny Bravo; which is a sweet softie himbo with a heart of gold. Chuds would yell we xould never get away with it today, and I disagree. Wokescolds would bitch, but they bitch regardless. I sincerely believe it holds up well to this day.
I never followed the guy for politics, and didn't see all his vids but I did drop him because of his constant defense of AI art. This makes dropping him so much easier.
My Little Pony G4's long duration itself is an example of how the messages promoted to children have become more nuanced and maybe demand a little more of the listener over time. It's no postmodern masterpiece, but it's praised for good reasons. Simpler stuff like "being strong doesn't mean being a bully" and "share with other kids" eventually led to morals like "sometimes people grow apart to do different things, but that doesn't mean your friendship should die" or "there is a thin line between honest critique and being an asshole", or, one of my favorites, "don't let the fear of failure prevent you from taking a chance at self-improvement". Not every episode has done well to DISPLAY the messages given, but the writing grew with its audience because the writers understood that the kids who watched (and especially the older periphery demographic) would ultimately get it.
I really enjoyed the fantasy creature weapon series that Shadiversity has on his channel. And while I've had a sense of his political stances for a while, guest-starring on Soygun's podcast is the nail in the coffin for me. Rest in piss, won't be missed
I remember Sargon *seething* about how shit the She-ra cartoon was gonna be because it was woke, and yeah all five seasons slap extra hard and it's definitely one of those kids can enjoy, but adults can too type of cartoons.
Yeah, isn't Carl of Swindon the guy who lusted over a TEENAGE She-Ra's boobs no longer being those of a woman with silicone implants? He's gross to the bone.
I'm a military archaeology and heritage student and it pains me to see how hard it is to find reliable, well researched and unbiased English speaking content about historical weaponry online. I used to watch a bunch but many ended up going down the right wing anti-woke pipeline like Shadiversity and Metatron. Thankfully we still have gems like Skallagrim, Ian McCollum from Forgotten Weapons and Jonathan Ferguson from the Royal Armouries.
My personal favorite cartoon is The Owl House because I love its themes of found family, friendship, neurodivergence and LGBT. I also love its dark themes of bullying, bigotry, genocide and abandonment because it makes the show very realistic even though it’s a fantasy adventure. I still love other cartoons like Ed Edd n Eddy, The Powerpuff Girls, Adventure Time, Regular Show, Steven Universe, Recess, Hey Arnold, Courage The Cowardly Dog, Samurai Jack, Teen Titans, Codename Kids Next Door, Amphibia, The Ghost & Molly McGee, Static Shock,The Proud Family and Men In Black The Series. Some people need to learn that animation is a medium and not a genre. Animation appeals to everyone of all ages. I’m autistic and cartoons are my special interest
Owl house is also one of the only cartoons I've seen that has a theme of chronic illnesses (the owl curse) - which only gets treated by constant medication, and later accepting that it's forever a part of them, all the while it slowly weakens those who have the curse until they can no longer use magic at all.
@@SalamanderBSC yeah. I love the idea that Eda’s owl beast curse is a metaphor for a disability or chronic illness. When she accepts the owl beast as a part of herself and transforms into Harpy Eda, I kinda see it as a disability but really awesome moment of The Owl House.
The Owl House is too good for this world, and I wish more people were into it. It's the first piece of media in over a decade that made me feel empty when I finished it because there was no more of it to go. It's so fantastic at combining light-hearted adventure fun with genuinely dark themes while giving both tones the weight and space they deserve, and it's such an incredibly kind, loving show. I adore it beyond belief.
It makes me laugh when they mention the little morality lessons at the end of 80s shows like He-man. Those snip-its were there because of pressures from conservative parent group who claimed cartoons had no educational values and only taught violence. These were tacked on segments added to shows that remained just as "violent" and as commercial as they ever were. Them citing that those shows as an example of good shows is hilarious.
It feels like the Wheel of Time adaptation really did it. That's when I first saw him rant about 'wokeness', but then I wasn't a staunch viewer so it may have started beforehand.
@@applegeepedigree I remember the day well. He had hinted at it from time to time, but he made a video announcement years ago where he basically said he would be way more political from then onward on his second channel. Seeing just a few of his unfiltered videos dislodged me from being at all conservative. I'm actually glad he went off the rails.
It started back when the Last Jedi was released... he started to hang out with the Fandom Menace guys (the same people who had Sargon of Akkad on)... so his conservative view from his religious cult lead him walk down the Alt-Right pipeline...
These guys are looking back on cartoons from the 80’s and 90’s through the innocence lens of their own childhood. Cartoons aren’t more cynical and “woke” now because millennials are “introducing irony.” These guys literally grew up in an era that gave us Captain Planet, Ren & Stimpy, Beavis & Butthead, Two Stupid Dogs, Cow & Chicken, “Ed, Edd, & Eddy,” Animaniacs, Freakazoid, Rocko’s Modern Life, The Simpson’s, Family Guy, South Park, Daria, Ahhh! Real Monsters, Cool World, Who Framed Roger Rabbit, and Beetlejuice. Animation of their era definitely had cynicism and “woke” ideas like environmentalism. The pure innocence and sincerity they are romanticizing wasn’t in the media of the era, it was in them because they were children too naive to pay such cynicism much thought.
Not to mention that a lot of eighties animations like _He-Man, She-Ra, G.I. Joe, Transformers, M.A.S.K., Voltron,_ etc. were essentially created to sell toys and had very little story to begin with. It wasn't until Optimus Prime was killed in the animated movie to replace his toy that the companies suddenly realised that oh shit, Rodimus Prime isn't selling because the kids are actually into the _characters?_ When animation moved into the nineties it focused more on storytelling, and just artistry in general. Eighties animation looks all very generic and bland compared to the shows you mention, those have unique styles that are immediately recognizable. And you forgot _Courage the Cowardly Dog._ That show was Lovecraftian.
hearing xan talking about his grandma made me cringe at myself - mine passed away this year and I hadn't call her for months... call your grandmas gang.
My one grandma passed away before i was born but my other one passed away not long ago (maybe 2 years now? Time blurs together) and i was there during her final days. As someone who was there for most of her decline, i got to see how shocking it was for other relatives who came to say their goodbyes and see with fresh eyes what we knew she'd been dealing with for years. When it's time for someone to go, it's already too late. My whole immediate family was with her for her last week and i still feel like it wasn't enough time to properly say goodbye. To the point that i'm tearing up thinking about it even though i was the least close to her since she never grandmothered me (by the time i came along, she was done helping raise grandkids and would treat me more like an adult than a grandkid)
@@catelynh1020hey, at least there was unity. my family is irreparably torn apart, and my grandma was there in the ICU for weeks and the only people who went to visit her were my brother and two uncles. I live overseas so I couldn't, nor my mom could. there's never enough time to be with your loved ones. enjoy while you can.
It’s interesting to me how Shad can be so different than his brother Jazza. It’s fascinating how people that grow up in the same household become so different. Jazza has made a pretty public statement how his beliefs differ than Shad’s.
Found Shad when I was going through a weapons binge. I was watching Forged in Fire for some of the weapons I really liked and it gave me videos from Shad in recommended so it really is a direct pipeline. I was so interested in the way he described historical use, why weapons are shaped the way they are, ect. His content seemed apolitical so there weren't any warning flags.
funnily enough, apart from the occasional snarky joke, his main channel IS apolitical. the idea behind Knight's Watch was that it would be a containment channel for his more politically charged content. shad is highly incompetent at managing his content, however, and so a lot of his political commentary starting bleeding into his main channel after Knight's Watch had been a thing for a while. once it was no longer easy to ignore, people starting voicing their criticisms of it more, and here we are.
Is Shad just no longer capable of wearing normal clothes? I mean he has worn shirts sometimes here & there but even then he has his channel logo plastered on the front of it.
I like that you're covering this because I also used to be really into the medieval historical side of youtube. I remember being surprised at Shad's sudden turn towards right-wing content because the first thing I remember of him touching politics was actually him going after the Daily Wire for the "women can't beat men in sword fights" comment, so even though I knew he was a mormon I thought he had some sense. Disappointed me when it turned out he didn't.
I think my favorite is people suddenly bitching about One Piece going woke because Yamato is a transman. My brothers in Christ,have you not been paying attention? One Piece has ALWAYS BEEN WOKE. Oda is a based man. 2 of the most loved characters in the show are genderfluid. Bon-chan and Iva. As for the main character being the villains being something conservatives hate? Dear lord, they must DESPISE Death Note. Oh who am I kidding, they would unrionically say Light IS the good guy, which literally misses the point.
Fionna is a great character to pull you into the AT verse because she, like some adults in the audience, is entirely new to the world she's exploring. Longtime viewers know that the Adventure Time verse has some dangers and that people are flawed and pained, but she hops into alternate universes with seemingly one-note villains to throw her fists at.
I have to say, not to show my weeb level too much, but everything you said has been the case for Japanese anime for even longer and I think the reason why Western animation is also this way now is that anime has had a massive influence on everyone involved in Western animation and a lot of people look up to it and are aiming to reach that level. It's not a copy, it comes with our own cultural lens and art style, but definitely the idea of more sophisticated themes and more complex and continuing stories come from that
Rewatching Adventure Time recently was an amazing trip. My perspective on the whole Flame Princess arc changed as I got older. When I was younger, I was frustrated Flame Princess didn't want to get back with Finn even though he was sorry. Now I see Finn messed up in such a way that while Flame Princess can still be his friend, a romantic relationship won't work out. One of the most satisfying moments is when Finn simply just apologizes to Flame Princess genuinely, without a hint of wanting to get back with her. Its genuinely a good lesson for anyone at any age, sometimes relationships dont work out, and its important to recognise and grow from the mistakes you made. And as you grow and learn, you may end up finding love in the place you least expect. Instead of a Princess, you may end up with a Wizard.
If I recall correctly, past cartoons were pretty woke if you ask me. Captain Planet and the Planeteers taught kids not just to be eco-friendly, but to stand against hate. Static Shock dealt with issues such as racism, school bullying and school shooting. It was pretty woke. The Legend of Prince Valiant was pretty woke for its time as well. Cartoons back then taught kids to be eco-friendly, be themselves no matter what, their actions having consequences, greed can lead to their downfall, some good intentions can have consequences, don't judge people until you give them a chance, and running away leads nowhere.
There is actual sincere adult animation, but it gets struck down by it's service hosters. Inside Job is a great example that I can think of, but it got canceled off of Netflix after being one of the most popular shows it had. Then it made more, fucking big mouth. An unpopular cartoon. there are some hopeful upcomers such as Hazbin Hotel and such that go hard on all the good shit. We're getting to a point where the "40 minute ad" generation isn't making our shows and the ones who profited off it have retired, so we're coming into a better era of adult animation.
When I first saw ATLA I was absolutely floored how this show handled very dark topics in a child friendly manner. It's obvious the air benders fell victim to a crime of massive proportions, however it's never mentioned directly as such. The only other show I knew that ever did the same was Alfred J Kwak (1989-1990), a Dutch/Japanese cartoon series about the adventures of a young orphaned duckling who is raised by a blind mole. That show even had a short arc which was *very obvious* with its antifascism. It was insanely progressive for its time and would absolutely take off if they made a 1:1 remake.
The only reason I know who shad is is because he has a much cooler brother called Jazza who has an awesome art TH-cam channel. Jazza only had him on his channel one time and you can guess why he never did again.
Jazza was on his channel at aroun 10 months ago now. He is also HEAVILY pro LGBT, as he was one of the youtubers which Boycotted the liberals and One Nation back in 2010 for trying to take it from queer people.
I thought it was super obvious that Walt was extremely insecure. He only sells meth because he was too proud to accept help. Once he got into it he started liking it and it affirms his masculinity as provider and through extreme violence. That show is amazing. I remember my brother being obsessed with it when it came out and watching every week. I would watch episodes here and there and loved the finale. So sick. I watched the show myself earlier this year and I finally understood why he loved it so much. It’s incredible. Even El Camino and Better Call Saul are just masterpieces. Walt and Saul have much more interesting stories than Jessie so the focus on them is great for series but I’m glad Jessie got just a movie. If there was a whole series of Jessie bumbling around getting victimized and being a tragic character, that wouldn’t be as fun to watch.
With every word out of their mouths it becomes increasingly clear they have never watched a cartoon past 1999 and I can only imagine how their heads will explode once they discover what anime kids watch.
I watch a lot of Shad’s content, because the stuff about medieval combat and fantasy worldbuilding is still great, but damn, this is disappointing to learn.
As a writer and D&D worldbuilder, it was a fantastic source and great at getting me to think of how the fantastic affects the realistic. But I always got the feeling that his media takes weren't gelling with me. It wasn't surprising seeing Xan covering the drama with Skallagrim that Shad was really off the deep end, but Shad lashing out at Scholagladiatoria for severingvties and overtly siccing his fans on him got me to finally watch one of his Knights Watch videos on hating LGBTQ+ representation, and the hatred therein, plus the casual admitting to wanting to gear kids into heterosexual relationships (ie, the thing he was accusing of others grooming for other orientations), I've unsubbed and disregarded him since. These days seems he's doing more "is boobplate practical" content anyway.
I love how conservatives will harken back to "the good ol' days" of cartoons, where heroes were perfect role-models who always did the right thing, when probably 90% of their time is still spent whining about Rey from Star Wars being a perfect, boring "woke" Mary Sue.
My borthers in Christs they accuse child cartoons of now of being insincere while their favorite "Heman" and "Transformers" were litteral add campaigns designed to make people buy their shit. The Irony is so fucking nuclear. Also, don't think I didn't daw throught the fangasm of Xander all about adventure time, Batman the animated serie and all of this segpent of DC's animated universe history (Superman, Justice league, JL:U, Teen Titan etc) are to this day very well written, if we want to go older we can talk about how gundam was supposedly target at young japaneses even so it constantly talks about war and how its meanningless, I know nobody will believe me BUT DIGIMON IS INCREDIBLE GUYS INSWEAR JUST LISTEN TO ME FOR ONE SE-
as another example, Jem and the Holograms was a competing doll line to Barbie, and as such they had a tv show to advertise them. my bf and i love watching this show because it's both incredibly cynical, weirdly woke and emotionally driven, and every episode has an animation budget of like.... two
G1 Transformers has a lot of progressive messaging for its time besides being a toy commercial. Even just baseline stuff like the Autobots would often win through a combination of team work, listening to outside opinions, and general concern for others. Where as the decepticons would often snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by betraying each other , being greedy and/or shortsighted. I know this seems simple, but these seem to be some really basic concepts that these people did not take away from their programming. Lets not forget that representative from Florida who compared Trans people to the X-men. But in a negative way. Showing that not only did he at least absorb the metaphor of the x-men, but actively is acting like the government in X-men did to the mutants.
The complaining they're doing is so silly considering the amounts of double entendre that have always been in children's media. They just don't like that it's about people that aren't them.
I found out santa wasnt real on the playground at school when I was like eight and I told my parents. they responded by saying something like "if santa's not real then youre not getting christmas presents from him this year" so I kept up the charade to this day AND I work in a school in the 6th grade and i have to be very careful about what I say. I work in special ed too so sometimes some of the kids tell me they know santa's not real in front of the whole class and I have to have "The Talk" with them so that they understand the social niceties around santa. Also I think it's so weird that we have all these movies saying that santa operates on belief and the world is ending because not enough kids these days believe in santa. It's a very strange message to send to kids who still believe in santa especially when they come out with the hip new "get your message to santa" device sold in every store with a cash register. Oh wow look at this, thinking about santa has once again led me to the conclusion that capitalism is a monster that must be eradicated from this earth.
The problem with the content they praise where the good guys always do the right thing - childhood is about learning and sometimes making mistakes and learning how to come back from them. Shows with overwhelmingly good and bad characters are limited in really dealing in complex moral lessons. Also Bee and Puppycat is an amazing show.
Oh my god seeing he-man i know exactly what video is going about I'm a he-man fan even if original cartoon is extremely silly it's still brings me some kind of joy. For a long time i could watch new he-man revelation because of bad reviews. But month ago i gave it a chance and despite PAINFUL and upsetting first 3 episodes this was one of the best 10/10 animation experience i had in years. Conservatives and reactionaries heavily misrepresent this show to the point there's tons of HM:R moments on TH-cam absolutely cut out of context they get mad about. Things are so bad i legit seeing those clips out of context though that one of the main characters died (spoiler they were not it was a cliffhanger) but the whole internet still pretends as if it actually happened. Reactionaries misunderstood main message, reactionaries tore apart some story plot twist that were set either in original cartoon or in 00s cartoon. Also HM:R is definitely made by a people who love he-man So yeah watch Revelation especially if you loved 00s cartoon lore. It may start upsetting but totally worth it.
"Omg he-man diessss! Woke wahmen mc!" was 99% of the complaints, then you watch the show and he's dead for like 2 episodes out of the entire show lmfao
@@SoI_Badguy TRUEEE and they use final of a 5th(???) episode which is supposed to be a cliffhanger as it was an ACTUAL final of the show so constantly that i actually believed that for two years untill i saw a summary of an actual last episode on some random site and decided to give it a try. Revelation was did so dirty it's genuinely crazy, internet literally lies about whole plot of this show except like first episode.
I'm so fucking sad to see shadyversity being dubbed this way by an icon of the far right. The dude was humiliated like 2 times by some left content creators for being basically completelly paranoid over minor things in movies and he just goes to podcast with people who have quite a few fachist takes. Thanks god there are other, better, content creators about medieval warfare on this website
It's the same misconception with videogames. Lot's of conservatives pretend that games were less "political" in the past. But that's mostly because they played them when they were young themselves, and overlooked the messages.
You underestimate Avatar. The lore is much deeper then you realize. Same goes for The subject matter felt with in the show. The creators of Zim created ATLA . From episode one, it was clear they had a road map to the final episode. Except for one, none of the episodes are fillers. The characters all go thru an evolution. Some of it subtle,some of it,n of so much, but rarely simple. The impact of this show on tv animation is undeniable. You really should give it a watch.
5:14 - 6:40 One of the big reasons for me figuring out that Santa isn’t real was learning about climate change & the geography of the North Pole. (The North Pole is covered by ice above the water of the Arctic Ocean.) Of course that could be explained by Santa’s workshop being a giant boat, or Santa’s workshop actually being in the South Pole but each of those hypotheses comes with its own extra logistical problems.
Used to love Shad. Didnt know he was a chud back then. Noticed he got into bouts with Skall and it made me question his integrity. Then I heard he started to say some right wing shit on on his podcast, Game Knights. Being a trans leftist myself, I had to stop watching his content.
They are welcome not to watch them if they don't like them. Plus they're in their late 40s(judging by the white facial hair), and cartoons are meant for children(and to sell toys in He-Man's case).
I honestly disagree with that. Cartoons aren't just for kids. I'm looking at shows like Avatar the Last Airbender, Owl House, Amphbia, among other cartoons. Hell look at Rick and Morty. That isn't meant for kids but it's still a cartoon. I would like to know your thoughts on this.
I feel so attacked... I'm 43 and got silver hair and silver beard.. Right Wingers can't analyze media... Comics, Music, Movies, Video Games, TV Shows (Twin Peaks had a Transgender character she was the Boss over that department of the FBI, Guy that played her... You would know from The X-Files) Now, At that time executives didn't like that character so David Lynch put that character into more episodes. Executives did kill the show due to their idiocy and pushing. But Right Wingers just want to see themselves as heroes so much that they ignore things to do so... Which is why Cops wearing the Deth's Head Skull (Punisher Symbol) is funny... Punisher became a Anarcho-communist he pummels tons of Right Wingers, Cops, And anyone bad... These people don't understand, can't and won't try, the only symbol they should wear is a swastika in their foreheads.
I'm 45, I watched Master of the Universe in it's first run, even as a child of 5-8 years old, I thought Masters of the Universe was childish. Even compared to shows of the time like GIJoe or Transformers, Masters of the Universe was very poorly written. While they are all cynical cartoon made as toy commercials, there is definitely a difference in writing quality.
6:30 I knew Santa wasn’t real when the letter he wrote me back was in my dad’s handwriting and “Santa” asked for Oreos as cookies, which are my dad’s favorite. 🤣
3:13 I just read a comment today that the existence of straight women is proof that sexuality isn’t a choice. It was on the video “Gay Men Will Marry Your Girlfriends”, if that provides any context 😄
Alex following the vaush tradition of bad media takes (in a smaller capacity). By telling people to start a show on episode 2 and skip the prequel show before watching the new one.
He-Man fan here, the series is about as progressive as you can get lmao, especially She-Ra. Skeletor is the most obvious misogynistic villain ever. His insults are hilarious though.
Waxing nostalgic about the "sincerity" of the glorified toy commercials we had growing up sure is a take. Like I loved those cartoons too but let's not pretend they weren't designed first and foremost to sell toys. Put screens on your windows.
if anyone is wondering why Shad has incredible amounts of social capitall(he is friends with Brandon Sanderson, he was aided by him while writing his book... which breaks my heart. I dont think BS is as hateful as Shad..but its ridiculous) its because he is in a powerful cult known colloquially as Mormonism.. That is why he has so much power, money, and children. Its also how he can find a woman who would put up with his depravity. Its because she was brainwashed from birth to submit to a man like Shad.
as someone who's been utterly desperate for sincere adult cartoons with strong language and violence but also sincerity among its cast and an interest in telling a good story rather than just being able to get away with vulgarity, you are really selling me on fiona and cake. i really loved arcane as another adult cartoon that prioritized its story and characters over what it could get away with, but it's been so rare to find similar shows. we truly need more of this in media, and as an aspiring storyteller, i really hope i can contribute to this genre sooner rather than later !! (still hoping we get our teen and up owl house sequel series that dana originally pitched the show as before disney asked her to age it down; still love the show, but i'm exceptionally curious about plenty of her original concepts)
That thing about Santa not being real is funny to me. When I first heard from my dad that Santa wasn't real, my first question was "Does that mean Jesus isn't real?"
Soygon saying cartoons in the 80s were more "sincere" than cartoons today might actually be the dumbest thing he has ever said. The entirety of children's media in the 80s existed solely to sell toys. He-man, GI Joe, Thunder Cats, My Little Pony, Care Bears, etc. ALL these shows had massive toy and merchandise lines.
But also, those cartoons were "woke" by their standards. Especially He-Man and original She-Ra. There was always a lesson at the end of every episode, like racism and sexism are bad, eat your vegetables, etc...
Or the episode the golden lagoon for transformers. which is about how those most hurt by war are the ones who weren’t affiliated with either side.
All those shows were basically just glorified toy commercials
Not to mention all the “woke” messaging they all had. He-man in particular had several episodes about social issues. My little pony was also a show about friendship, a conservative’s worst nightmare.
@xrosrider6062 Yep, and neither side ultimately comes out on top or looking good. Beachcomber can't even celebrate the Autobots' victory because of all the damage that resulted from it.
I love that Shad and Sargon unironically worship He-Man when that show was literally called the “gayest show on television” by the people who made it. Literally. A bunch of queer cartoon producers and artists just made a world of buff men and took it as far as they thought they could, and Shad just guzzled it all down without stopping for a moment to reflect as an adult.
Well... They clearly not watch it because they fan of gym training So...
reminder of the character Fisto
Question: who’s Shad? Kinda out of the loop. Is he the guy that plays with swords?
That joke from Stewie on Family Guy aged beautifully.
@@TasTheWatcher The real zero subtlety character is Ram Man. Perfect demonstration of how Eternia is the gayest planet in the universe.
As He-Man fan I can tell that conservatives don't deserve He-Man.
And also, I love 80s cartoons, I think they are goofy and silly and I mean it in very caring and loving way. But alas, they weren't peak of fiction most of the time and we shouldn't pretend they were. (It doesn't mean that 80s cartoons don't deserve love, they definitely do)
80’s cartoons do have a charm to them. So many good franchises were born in that era.
@@JakeLuke716
Guilty dog barks first.
@@JakeLuke716 cope and seethe fascist
Conservatives don't *understand* He-Man. It's another example of them being terrible with media literacy. He-Man wears pink, respects women, loves his friends and family, and is just a good dude and an example of healthy masculinity. One of the messages has always been about inclusivity. And I mean, he is quite heavily queer-coded...
@@JakeLuke716 Third to lambaste the moron? Neat!
"He Man has conservative messages"
-Soygon of Awkward, 2023
“It was a joke in the studio. Everybody was saying, ‘Prince Adam is gay.’”
-Erika Scheimer, daughter of He Man's executive producer, voice actress in both He Man and She-Ra, and open lesbian
"Filmation welcomed many openly gay artists throughout the 1980s who perhaps longed to see themselves onscreen"
-Also Erika Scheimer, daughter of He Man's executive producer, voice actress in both He Man and She-Ra, and open lesbian
Little correction here: Erika Scheimer voiced multiple characters in Masters of the Universe, but she didn't voice She-Ra or Adora. That was Melendy Britt. Who is also a supporter of LGBTQIA rights.
@@TheNerdWithASuit Whoops, right you are! Edited the OP, thanks for the correction.
@@masterplusmargarita No problem. Fun fact: Melendy was also Gran Gran in Avatar!
I used to be a shadiversity fan and honestly back then he didnt give any conservative vibes whatsoever. He even often collabed with a lot of the more "woke" channels which made it easy to trust him....
honestly these days whenever I come across a new channel I have to do a deep dive to the channel history to make sure I'm not getting pilled
His brothers Jazza... which is fucking BIZARRE to me... I wish Jazza would comment on Shads incredibly fucked commentary.
@@usherifa better tell is the comment section.
Yeah
Real bummer to se he’s just a terrible person
For me was a similar situation with JonTron.
Kids show has always had messages like be kind, don't steal, be respectful etc. but when that turns into be respectful to gay people anti sjws loose their minds
like how sjws lose their minds at shows that promote remotely Christian messages. yes we know.
Sex has no buisness being in a kids cartoon. This is just gay propaganda.
“Kids cartoons these days aren’t sincere” I don’t know how you can watch Stephen Universe, Gravity Falls, Star vs the Forces of Evil, MLP: Friendship is Magic, Voltron, She-Ra, Amphibia, Owl House, etc. and think they’re “not sincere”.
Unless you’re just mad that they have minorities in them sometimes.
MLP: Friendhsip is Magic is probably one of the most sincere, genuine shows made for younger audiences in a long time. It has the 90's vibes of "Written for parents and kids." Plus the community is wonderful! So many cute oc horses and art. I've met some amazingly genuine people at conventions. So many people without a single bad bone in their body.
I will tell anyone to watch the Owl House episode "Reaching Out", and tell me that the feeling there is insincere.
And I too commend MLP for carrying visual quality alongside its lessons, but also for leveling up with its plots and themes as it went along, growing with its original audience to an extent.
I mean, there is an episode where one character has a brother who lives with their parents and wanders between jobs because he is afraid of failure. A LOT of folks felt that episode hit close to home.
Yea
yeah this would require them to watch the shows they complain about. and they arent doing that.
Fuck I didnt for a long time. I was down the hole when She-Ra came out and didnt watch it. now I am _not_ a shit person and mid-way through season 4, and I hate I waited that long because its so fucking good.
The "and now you know" ending messages in 80s cartoons were only there because they had to include something educational or else it was legally declared a half hour commerical. That's why it was also just the most basic, "don't take pills from the cabinet" and "don't get into a strangers car". They were the opposite of sincere, they had messages because they had too, shows like MLP FiM are sincere because they didn't need go so hard.
Also, aren't these the same people who were complaining about media being preachy with "messages" instead of "just telling a good story" during GamerGate?
The best thing about all this is, the creatives behind the original Masters of the Universe cartoon were pretty strongly progressive. They would be disgusted by the same people who wrote their childhood.
Filmation the studio that made He-Man was literally self-described as the gayest place on Earth because of the amount of LGBT people working there.
Thats like standard for conservatives. Creatives tend to fall on the progressive side of things.
He man-Gay?!
In defense of some the older cartoons, I can honestly say that Looney Tunes introduced me to classical music, drag, pronouns, and the magical properties of anvils. I still love watching those cartoons.
@@JakeLuke716 Your dad
@@JakeLuke716 I can hear the gears turning in your head
@@JakeLuke716 Yes, yes. No need to introduce yourself in every other thread.
Fun history fact: Chivalrous knight stories are the original copaganda. Basically what happened is that knights were raping so many women that the gentry was like, "We gotta clean up ur image!" and made up a bunch of stories.
It's way more complicated than that, but there's some truth there
„You see this white knight being kind and helping the populace, being fair to everyone? Be like him!“
Got any sources for that?
The pope offered remission of all sins for going on crusades. Must be some serious sins being done for that to work.
No doubt that did happen, the medieval period and warfare was brutal, where women were often spared their life, defeated men were frequently massacred. Do you also accept the fact that the Muslim armies that invaded, conquered and colonized nearly all of Spain in 8th Century and raided Southern France and Italy also raped, killed and enslaved Europeans?
Isn't that the guy who got all ass hurt about princess Peach wearing pants in the Mario movie? These dudes all look and sound the same, so it's rather difficult to tell them apart.
He ignored the fact that Princess Peach wore pants in some games and comics.
@@ExtremeMadnessX Wore, not "weared". Cheers! 😉
Yeah, that's the same guy.
Also in response to the "Skyler cheated on Walt" thing. She did that to make Walt want to divorce her. She asked for a divorce, Walt said no. So she sleeps with Ted and IMMEDIATLY tells Walt she fucked Ted that same evening! She did a bad thing to protect her family. Oh but when Walt does bad things "to protect his family" that's fine. Because he's not a cheating woman. The worst thing you can be apparently to these people.
I mean, as I recall it's a documented phenomenon in media studies that on average people, particularly men, tend to show a significantly worse reaction towards unsympathetic female characters than male ones.
@@TheOblivionMan Sauce please? I'm not denying it that it exist (especially when mary sue is rampant) I just wanna know.
Walt kills people and sells an extremely dangerous drug, as well as threatens Skyler into staying quiet (basically holds his family hostage). But Skyler commits infidelity in an effort to get her kids away from her DANGEROUS DRUG DEAKER HUSBAND, and they lose their shit. She should have told Hank the second she found out tbh
@@yungmuney5903 I have a vague recollection of it being something that was covered in some media and writing courses I took over a decade ago but I can't name a specific study off the top of my head, and typing "unsympathetic female character" in to Google would seem to have me needing to wade through a lot of chuddy Reddit posts to find anything even somewhat academic.
@@tatersalad76 plus gaslights the fuck out of Jessie in order to manipulate him throughout the whole show….turning him into a murderer. Is the cause of Jane’s death, allows Jessie to be captured and enslaved by Nazis….oh and POISONS A CHILD. But Skyler had sex with another man so clearly the actress playing her deserved all those death threats.
What drives me nuts about the whole "He-Man taught us morals" when in interviews they admit they would tack moral lessons on at the end because of the moral code IMPOSED on them. Like shut up. You don't need to TELL people the morals.
I love how people without morals are always crying about morality.
they would call it woke censorship today
Now they would call it getting preached to.
I’m sure if Shadversity is making his own cartoon to “own the Libs”, he’s gonna use AI Art and stewing archives of voice actors for profit
Soygon saying modern cartoons aren't as sincere as 80s cartoons when back then cartoons were made SPECIFICALLY to sell the toy line is so fucking funny
I love how they idolize He-Man and then He-Man is just over here with the most homoerotic design possible
He-Man was kind of my gay awakening, ngl.
Their argument really is: "This old cartoon taught kids about the magna carta and how men should act, and thats great. I think its important for that to influence children. But new cartoons try to teach kids things and influence kids, and that is despicable."
These same people if they existed in '69: “UGH, MR. ROGERS INVITING A BLACK GUY ONTO HIS SHOW? ANOTHER ILLUMINATI PUPPET SELLING OUT TO THE WOKE MOB! 😡”
propaganda is LE GOOD when it pushes what I want, and LE BAD when it pushes what I don't want (even when the "propaganda" in children's media nowadays is far more subtle and nuanced than the "Don't Do Drugs Mkay" era of the 80s)
Avatar and Adventure Time are two of the best shows about war, genocide and orphaned children.
Love the content Xan. I’m gonna repeat a talking point that a lot of anime channels repeat. We need to stop calling animation its own genre, it’s a medium of art. That’s why western animation is either Big Mouth/Family Guy or “for kids” because animation itself is considered a genre. Instead of just being a “animated horror” or “animated sitcom”
Meanwhile, no cares about Bojack Horseman...
@Chihirolee3 my friend. I will always recommend bojack to anyone. But you have to admit, it needs a mile long list of trigger warnings. Lot of heavy topics and trauma.
@@azroceankitarn9620 I remember that I wasn't that interested in Bojack Horseman, because the preview pictures on Netflix made it look like some childish Family Guy on drugs clone. But one day I was super bored and didn't know what to watch. So I started to binge the whole series, I watched through the night and went to the store at 7am to buy vodka because at that point I was already in a mentally unstable state and just felt like drinking is the only way to get through the rest of the series. I didn't get totally wasted, but I kept a steady level.
@@azroceankitarn9620 oh yeah I have to tell certain people not to watch it because how real it can be.
@@Chihirolee3 honestly probably one of the best animated shows out there. It does get a lot of praise from anyone that treats animation with respect. Johnny 2 Cellos did a video on just about every episode.
Let's be honest, most cartoons from the 80s were meant to market toys and breakfast cereal, including He-Man. They were basically considered secondary to what kids saw during commercial breaks. They are probably the least sincere era of shows ever created.
Yeah, most 80's shows were nothing but glorified commercials.
@@margotpreston back when crack was legel.
Am I back in 2016 again? Why is Soygon of Cuckkad still around?!
Based off of the lotus eaters thing he is doing, he is very obviously well funded by some right-wing doner. Also, the last I checked, his channel doesn't do well enough for the level of polish his lotus-eater shit has. As I recall, I think ChrisRayGun mentioned back in the day some right-wingers wanted to fund him if he exclusively became a talking head for them. He declined and said other people he knew did take that offer, and it's obvious who those people are.
@@YoungOne48 this. Its easy to be a right wing grifter because the right has people interested in funding you for it
Soygon has 4 kids to feed. The money has to come from somewhere
Like the roach he is, he refuses do go.
It was Jack Saint who exposed Chudiversity, after he railed against the Super Mario Bros movie, because Princess Peach wore pants, medieval princesses don't wear trousers. Chud was so unhinged, he failed to recognise that Super Mario was a videogame from Japan, it was fantasy, that's like trying to claim Dungeons and Dragons _actually_ happened in history, by the way, Princess Peach wore pants in Mario Kart, but I guess he never played Nintendo outside of the 8-bit era. As for Soygon, he is extremely ignorant of the fact that cartoons of the 80s were overengineered commercials meant to sell toys, basically "Buy He-Man action figures, or the Commies win", all of that sincerity is him, defending his corporately mandated childhood, and that's the cusp of Chud and Soy, they are treating capitalism as if it were a holy religion, pesky things such as fun and history, are mere aesthetics meant to sell holy capitalism to your children, those two _seriously_ need professional help.
And it's not even like the original 80s cartoons weren't """woke""" I mean hell, they are currently re-running some of them and in one of the episodes, one of those little morals stories - those morals that are explicitly tacked on at the end and then spilled out in simple words so a kid can understand them - pretty much literally boiled down to "You must save nature or we're all screwed". And one was an oh so thinly veiled "don't be a bloody racist man" and, though I'm not entirely sure anymore (and couldn't find a compilation of all of them), I'm like... 99% certain either He-Man or She-Ra once had one that basically was as thinly veiled an "it's okay to be gay" as one could do in that era
@@sergeysmirnov1062 At least according to one of the voice actresses from the original shows, He-Man and She-Ra were always meant to be coded as gay shows and much of the animation studio were LGBT (Erika Scheimer herself is lesbian). Though there is that this might just be a smart money move on their (hers and Mattel's) part since He-Man's been a gay icon for decades. Tho I don't think the exact truth on that matters so much as how it reflects how firmly established He-Man's status as a gay icon is.
Shadiversity: "So you see, that's why the shape of the sword-hilts in the hit fantasy show 'The Adventures of Feirefiz' is completely historically innaccurate. The slightly different shape of the metal was so historically inaccurate and nonsensical was unable to suspend my disbelief at all because of this. Zero immersion, completely unbelievable."
Me: "Cool. Now do the story of bronze/iron age people traveling to the New World across the Atlantic ocean in hand-built, wooden submarines from The Book of Mormon."
Notice how they never define what they mean by “perverse.” I know we all have a pretty good idea of what they mean, but I’d love for them to explicitly say it and try to defend it.
@@JakeLuke716 Quit projecting bud.
@@JakeLuke716 weak b8. Try harder.
Just like using generic slogans but never defining what they are. MAGA is one example. When was it great? What made it great back then? What will they actually do to make it great again? All slogans, no details.
I'm currently getting my master's degree in Medieval Studies, and I've noticed a very black and white 60/40 split in the community. 40% of us are people who are merely interested in the specific era, and want to learn everything we can about it from a neutral and skeptical perspective (as all historians should approach their work). On the other hand, 60% are people who romanticize an era where Christian theocratic monarchy ruled the Western world. It didn't take long for me to realize Shad is among that 60%.
Im getting my BA in history.
And man, there are a lot of dudes that unironically think returning to a dictatorial Roman empire would be a good thing.
True, even though Shad belongs to a different cult, but you are correct about him.
It's crazy out there as medievalists myself but I'm happy it's not THAT bad nowadays with the community. Most fascists are so fucking open now and there are always bullet points like crusades, women and church in high and later medieval times but yea... In Poland, most history nerds are just fascists who want to jerk off to Hussars, Crusades and "Great Poland" or some strange ultra-slavic tankies.
@@WillowGreenheartthe winged hussars are based
@@WillowGreenheartTHEN THE WINGED HUSSARS ARIVED
"Woke" is never defined by conservadroogs.
Read every time they say "woke" as "diverse" and "complex".
Read everytime they describe old cartoons as "wholesome" as "hidden innuendo that we wink and nod at".
Like Star Trek, Avatar The Last Airbender is ahead of it's time, conservatives would lose their minds with the show now
Unironic "Ozai did nothing wrong" videos, because he "represented an industrial advanced culture triumphing over the medieval".
Conservatives at the time lost their minds over Star Treck. Kirk kissing Uhura famously drew a massive reaction from conservatives. Hell, it even had same comparisons to degenerasey that are used against LGBTQ+ representations today.
@@Montesama314 Don't forget Toph, a blind girl younger than the main character but is very powerful and is his snarky and brutal mentor? They would done have a hundreds of videos screaming how Nickelodeon is "woke" now.
If "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" were to be released today, it would create a brain hemorrhage for some people and they would question "when did Star Trek become so woke?!" That series had a black captain who was an amazing father, a first officer that literally was a terrorist and killed fascist for sport, a science officer who was both male and female in various lives, and an engineer who was a Union man. Those elements are every youtube grifter's wet dream in 2023.
The thing I like the most about modern cartoons is that they allow the characters to actually be characters rather than just caricatures of concepts. They are allowed to be flawed. They are allowed to make mistakes. They learn and grow from it. Infinity train is all about confronting trauma and goes into the various ways people cope with what they have to deal with in their lives. The first and final season have such amazing antagonists where you can understand where they are coming from and want them to do better when they have trapped themselves in a downward spiral of horrible coping mechanisms and self-destructive tendencies
Agreed. Cartoon characters feel less like personified archetypes and more like actual people. Makes it easier for kids to connect to them and idolize them.
what parallel universe do you live in where modern cartoon characters are in fact characters and not caricatures of concepts, and how do I get there?
@@UncleSamsoniteLover69 since WHEN?
Oh they DO care about flaws, but only when its on the topic of women characters. Hence mary sue, easily weaponized by them with its 'defaulted to female' nature of the term despite men dominating leading roles since forever.
@@yungmuney5903 I genuinely don't understand what you are saying here.
Every kids cartoon post mid 1970s has had messages or morals in it. The only difference now is unlike He Man, Luz Noceda doesn't turn to the camera and directly say "Authoritarianism and racism are bad."
80's Prince Adam Queer as hell for his time. 80's cartoons were incredibly progressive if you ignore the toy shilling and forced PSA's
Those PSA would be considered woke by those assholes, especially when messages were that racism and sexism are bad.
"Fabulous secret powers were revealed to me" while he's doing a rainbow transformation into wearing that skimpy gitup. He has a cat, a grumpy monarch dad who hates him, and despite being 99% muscle he always tries to solve issues without fighting first and foremost. He also wore basically only pink tights. Conservatives would be outrage if he dropped as the mc of a cartoon NOW, completely unchanged. Much less in the 80s! 😂
@@ExtremeMadnessX my point was that the PSAs were forced by the studios. They didn't put their all into them because they had to say it. Not saying they didn't believe what they were told to say, Captain Planet had a whole episode dedicated to HIV in late 92 right when that practice was winding down.
Are they still mad that the age of consent got raised in japan
Wait, it did? Pog.
@@JakeLuke716 I don't know if you know this but, your phone is off bud.
@@JakeLuke716 Why are you?
@@JakeLuke716 you mean the movie sargon defended as instilling "good abrahamic values?"
@@JakeLuke716 Why? Isnt your side the ones who defended Cuties?
Seriously man, basically nobody outside manosphere misoginists and anarcho-capitalists defends or watches Cuties.
I am so glad the anti-sjw community is dead. A lot of those channels aren't even around anymore, changed or at least so irrelevant, they don't even matter.
Sargon: Irrelevant.
ThunderF00t: Makes cool science videos.
Hunter: Changed his ways and became a liberal
Blaire: Doubled down
Chris Ray Gun: Changed and became chill.
SomeBlackGuy: Changed and became chill.
Undoomed: Don't know he's up to but he had a REALLY cool voice.
Bearing: Doubled down.
Andy Warski: Bloodsports killed his channel.
Armored Skeptic: I swear to god, I think he's trying to start a cult.
Shoe: Sadly ended up reverting back to her old ways.
I don’t think it’s dead _quite_ yet, but it’s absolutely mortally wounded. There are a few channels clinging to it, but eventually even they will move on or become irrelevant. It seems like a lot of right-wing content these days isn’t trying to convince people like anti-sjw content did, but rather tends towards being more overtly insane, and appeals to people who are already sold on the politics.
Aren’t the anti woke channels basically the new anti SJW TH-camrs?
Thunderf00t is my guilty pleasure because I love people who shit on Musk, and nobody does it as much as him.
@@JakeLuke716Only the _smoothest_ brains use that insult.
@@JakeLuke716You might wanna look into a mirror, friend.
That "He-man is Needed" vid was what made me drop Shad ngl. I mean, even without the sheer idiocy of saying "He-Man taught kids the value of becoming stronger from hard work" *after telling his story of when he **_ASKED SANTA for superpowers,_* his misogyny became rather apparent.
Yup. Prince Adam transforms into He-man because of a magical sword. The only work he does to become He-man is lift it up and shout some words.
@@dorkangel1076
Exactly! Sure He was buff but is hitting the gym supposed to make you a magic sword?
I still feel Johnny Bravo aged well.
Jokes for the kids and the adults, clever humor and it had a consistent moral I feel to it. Everytime Johnny tried the pickup aetist shit and acted cringe and creepy towards women, he got punished. Usually with comical gag violence. However, Johnny was always rewarded by women and others for NOT indulging in his toxic masculinity traits (ones he clearly felt were needed so he put them on) and instead acted like the real Johnny Bravo; which is a sweet softie himbo with a heart of gold.
Chuds would yell we xould never get away with it today, and I disagree. Wokescolds would bitch, but they bitch regardless. I sincerely believe it holds up well to this day.
I never followed the guy for politics, and didn't see all his vids but I did drop him because of his constant defense of AI art. This makes dropping him so much easier.
My Little Pony G4's long duration itself is an example of how the messages promoted to children have become more nuanced and maybe demand a little more of the listener over time. It's no postmodern masterpiece, but it's praised for good reasons.
Simpler stuff like "being strong doesn't mean being a bully" and "share with other kids" eventually led to morals like "sometimes people grow apart to do different things, but that doesn't mean your friendship should die" or "there is a thin line between honest critique and being an asshole", or, one of my favorites, "don't let the fear of failure prevent you from taking a chance at self-improvement".
Not every episode has done well to DISPLAY the messages given, but the writing grew with its audience because the writers understood that the kids who watched (and especially the older periphery demographic) would ultimately get it.
I really enjoyed the fantasy creature weapon series that Shadiversity has on his channel. And while I've had a sense of his political stances for a while, guest-starring on Soygun's podcast is the nail in the coffin for me.
Rest in piss, won't be missed
I remember Sargon *seething* about how shit the She-ra cartoon was gonna be because it was woke, and yeah all five seasons slap extra hard and it's definitely one of those kids can enjoy, but adults can too type of cartoons.
Yeah, isn't Carl of Swindon the guy who lusted over a TEENAGE She-Ra's boobs no longer being those of a woman with silicone implants? He's gross to the bone.
I'm a military archaeology and heritage student and it pains me to see how hard it is to find reliable, well researched and unbiased English speaking content about historical weaponry online. I used to watch a bunch but many ended up going down the right wing anti-woke pipeline like Shadiversity and Metatron. Thankfully we still have gems like Skallagrim, Ian McCollum from Forgotten Weapons and Jonathan Ferguson from the Royal Armouries.
My personal favorite cartoon is The Owl House because I love its themes of found family, friendship, neurodivergence and LGBT. I also love its dark themes of bullying, bigotry, genocide and abandonment because it makes the show very realistic even though it’s a fantasy adventure. I still love other cartoons like Ed Edd n Eddy, The Powerpuff Girls, Adventure Time, Regular Show, Steven Universe, Recess, Hey Arnold, Courage The Cowardly Dog, Samurai Jack, Teen Titans, Codename Kids Next Door, Amphibia, The Ghost & Molly McGee, Static Shock,The Proud Family and Men In Black The Series. Some people need to learn that animation is a medium and not a genre. Animation appeals to everyone of all ages. I’m autistic and cartoons are my special interest
cartoons are a sick interest my tism is a little more dxm and lsd
@@guccisquidbillytentacles sick interest?
Owl house is also one of the only cartoons I've seen that has a theme of chronic illnesses (the owl curse) - which only gets treated by constant medication, and later accepting that it's forever a part of them, all the while it slowly weakens those who have the curse until they can no longer use magic at all.
@@SalamanderBSC yeah. I love the idea that Eda’s owl beast curse is a metaphor for a disability or chronic illness. When she accepts the owl beast as a part of herself and transforms into Harpy Eda, I kinda see it as a disability but really awesome moment of The Owl House.
The Owl House is too good for this world, and I wish more people were into it. It's the first piece of media in over a decade that made me feel empty when I finished it because there was no more of it to go. It's so fantastic at combining light-hearted adventure fun with genuinely dark themes while giving both tones the weight and space they deserve, and it's such an incredibly kind, loving show. I adore it beyond belief.
the best woke cartoon was Generator Rex, they had a Mexican lead that also has Amnesia and could construct machinery out of hes own nanites.
omg, someone else remembers it!
Generator Rex is not woke.
Oh fuck i loved that show!
It makes me laugh when they mention the little morality lessons at the end of 80s shows like He-man.
Those snip-its were there because of pressures from conservative parent group who claimed cartoons had no educational values and only taught violence. These were tacked on segments added to shows that remained just as "violent" and as commercial as they ever were.
Them citing that those shows as an example of good shows is hilarious.
Shad flipped like a switch back in the day. It feels like he went mask off overnight.
It feels like the Wheel of Time adaptation really did it. That's when I first saw him rant about 'wokeness', but then I wasn't a staunch viewer so it may have started beforehand.
@@applegeepedigree I remember the day well. He had hinted at it from time to time, but he made a video announcement years ago where he basically said he would be way more political from then onward on his second channel. Seeing just a few of his unfiltered videos dislodged me from being at all conservative. I'm actually glad he went off the rails.
It started back when the Last Jedi was released... he started to hang out with the Fandom Menace guys (the same people who had Sargon of Akkad on)... so his conservative view from his religious cult lead him walk down the Alt-Right pipeline...
These guys are looking back on cartoons from the 80’s and 90’s through the innocence lens of their own childhood. Cartoons aren’t more cynical and “woke” now because millennials are “introducing irony.” These guys literally grew up in an era that gave us Captain Planet, Ren & Stimpy, Beavis & Butthead, Two Stupid Dogs, Cow & Chicken, “Ed, Edd, & Eddy,” Animaniacs, Freakazoid, Rocko’s Modern Life, The Simpson’s, Family Guy, South Park, Daria, Ahhh! Real Monsters, Cool World, Who Framed Roger Rabbit, and Beetlejuice. Animation of their era definitely had cynicism and “woke” ideas like environmentalism. The pure innocence and sincerity they are romanticizing wasn’t in the media of the era, it was in them because they were children too naive to pay such cynicism much thought.
Not to mention that a lot of eighties animations like _He-Man, She-Ra, G.I. Joe, Transformers, M.A.S.K., Voltron,_ etc. were essentially created to sell toys and had very little story to begin with. It wasn't until Optimus Prime was killed in the animated movie to replace his toy that the companies suddenly realised that oh shit, Rodimus Prime isn't selling because the kids are actually into the _characters?_
When animation moved into the nineties it focused more on storytelling, and just artistry in general. Eighties animation looks all very generic and bland compared to the shows you mention, those have unique styles that are immediately recognizable.
And you forgot _Courage the Cowardly Dog._ That show was Lovecraftian.
hearing xan talking about his grandma made me cringe at myself - mine passed away this year and I hadn't call her for months... call your grandmas gang.
jokes on you. My grandmas passed away before I was even born.
@@politiqueen420 truuuuu
My one grandma passed away before i was born but my other one passed away not long ago (maybe 2 years now? Time blurs together) and i was there during her final days.
As someone who was there for most of her decline, i got to see how shocking it was for other relatives who came to say their goodbyes and see with fresh eyes what we knew she'd been dealing with for years. When it's time for someone to go, it's already too late.
My whole immediate family was with her for her last week and i still feel like it wasn't enough time to properly say goodbye. To the point that i'm tearing up thinking about it even though i was the least close to her since she never grandmothered me (by the time i came along, she was done helping raise grandkids and would treat me more like an adult than a grandkid)
@@catelynh1020hey, at least there was unity. my family is irreparably torn apart, and my grandma was there in the ICU for weeks and the only people who went to visit her were my brother and two uncles. I live overseas so I couldn't, nor my mom could.
there's never enough time to be with your loved ones. enjoy while you can.
It’s interesting to me how Shad can be so different than his brother Jazza. It’s fascinating how people that grow up in the same household become so different. Jazza has made a pretty public statement how his beliefs differ than Shad’s.
Found Shad when I was going through a weapons binge. I was watching Forged in Fire for some of the weapons I really liked and it gave me videos from Shad in recommended so it really is a direct pipeline. I was so interested in the way he described historical use, why weapons are shaped the way they are, ect. His content seemed apolitical so there weren't any warning flags.
funnily enough, apart from the occasional snarky joke, his main channel IS apolitical. the idea behind Knight's Watch was that it would be a containment channel for his more politically charged content. shad is highly incompetent at managing his content, however, and so a lot of his political commentary starting bleeding into his main channel after Knight's Watch had been a thing for a while. once it was no longer easy to ignore, people starting voicing their criticisms of it more, and here we are.
Is Shad just no longer capable of wearing normal clothes? I mean he has worn shirts sometimes here & there but even then he has his channel logo plastered on the front of it.
He has been itching to LARP since his youth, the moment he got armour, he never took it off.
he's his own mascot now, like the rantsonas of yesteryear
I like that you're covering this because I also used to be really into the medieval historical side of youtube. I remember being surprised at Shad's sudden turn towards right-wing content because the first thing I remember of him touching politics was actually him going after the Daily Wire for the "women can't beat men in sword fights" comment, so even though I knew he was a mormon I thought he had some sense. Disappointed me when it turned out he didn't.
I think my favorite is people suddenly bitching about One Piece going woke because Yamato is a transman. My brothers in Christ,have you not been paying attention? One Piece has ALWAYS BEEN WOKE. Oda is a based man. 2 of the most loved characters in the show are genderfluid. Bon-chan and Iva.
As for the main character being the villains being something conservatives hate?
Dear lord, they must DESPISE Death Note. Oh who am I kidding, they would unrionically say Light IS the good guy, which literally misses the point.
Fionna is a great character to pull you into the AT verse because she, like some adults in the audience, is entirely new to the world she's exploring. Longtime viewers know that the Adventure Time verse has some dangers and that people are flawed and pained, but she hops into alternate universes with seemingly one-note villains to throw her fists at.
I have to say, not to show my weeb level too much, but everything you said has been the case for Japanese anime for even longer and I think the reason why Western animation is also this way now is that anime has had a massive influence on everyone involved in Western animation and a lot of people look up to it and are aiming to reach that level. It's not a copy, it comes with our own cultural lens and art style, but definitely the idea of more sophisticated themes and more complex and continuing stories come from that
Moral of the story: never trust anyone who has "SHAD" in their name.
Sargon came back on his actual channel and despite his sub size, amassed under 100k views.
Insane.
Rewatching Adventure Time recently was an amazing trip. My perspective on the whole Flame Princess arc changed as I got older. When I was younger, I was frustrated Flame Princess didn't want to get back with Finn even though he was sorry. Now I see Finn messed up in such a way that while Flame Princess can still be his friend, a romantic relationship won't work out. One of the most satisfying moments is when Finn simply just apologizes to Flame Princess genuinely, without a hint of wanting to get back with her.
Its genuinely a good lesson for anyone at any age, sometimes relationships dont work out, and its important to recognise and grow from the mistakes you made. And as you grow and learn, you may end up finding love in the place you least expect. Instead of a Princess, you may end up with a Wizard.
If I recall correctly, past cartoons were pretty woke if you ask me.
Captain Planet and the Planeteers taught kids not just to be eco-friendly, but to stand against hate.
Static Shock dealt with issues such as racism, school bullying and school shooting. It was pretty woke.
The Legend of Prince Valiant was pretty woke for its time as well.
Cartoons back then taught kids to be eco-friendly, be themselves no matter what, their actions having consequences, greed can lead to their downfall, some good intentions can have consequences, don't judge people until you give them a chance, and running away leads nowhere.
There is actual sincere adult animation, but it gets struck down by it's service hosters. Inside Job is a great example that I can think of, but it got canceled off of Netflix after being one of the most popular shows it had. Then it made more, fucking big mouth. An unpopular cartoon. there are some hopeful upcomers such as Hazbin Hotel and such that go hard on all the good shit.
We're getting to a point where the "40 minute ad" generation isn't making our shows and the ones who profited off it have retired, so we're coming into a better era of adult animation.
When I first saw ATLA I was absolutely floored how this show handled very dark topics in a child friendly manner. It's obvious the air benders fell victim to a crime of massive proportions, however it's never mentioned directly as such.
The only other show I knew that ever did the same was Alfred J Kwak (1989-1990), a Dutch/Japanese cartoon series about the adventures of a young orphaned duckling who is raised by a blind mole. That show even had a short arc which was *very obvious* with its antifascism. It was insanely progressive for its time and would absolutely take off if they made a 1:1 remake.
The only reason I know who shad is is because he has a much cooler brother called Jazza who has an awesome art TH-cam channel. Jazza only had him on his channel one time and you can guess why he never did again.
Jazza was on his channel at aroun 10 months ago now. He is also HEAVILY pro LGBT, as he was one of the youtubers which Boycotted the liberals and One Nation back in 2010 for trying to take it from queer people.
Nice, I love hearing when chuds have incredibly based siblings
His brother is Jazza? Wtf? 😂
Subscribed just for the hope you gave me as a single man in his 30’s
Bluey is another great example of modern family animated shows.
I thought it was super obvious that Walt was extremely insecure. He only sells meth because he was too proud to accept help. Once he got into it he started liking it and it affirms his masculinity as provider and through extreme violence. That show is amazing. I remember my brother being obsessed with it when it came out and watching every week. I would watch episodes here and there and loved the finale. So sick.
I watched the show myself earlier this year and I finally understood why he loved it so much. It’s incredible. Even El Camino and Better Call Saul are just masterpieces. Walt and Saul have much more interesting stories than Jessie so the focus on them is great for series but I’m glad Jessie got just a movie. If there was a whole series of Jessie bumbling around getting victimized and being a tragic character, that wouldn’t be as fun to watch.
Guys who look like they're not allowed within 100 yards of a school discuss babies
With every word out of their mouths it becomes increasingly clear they have never watched a cartoon past 1999 and I can only imagine how their heads will explode once they discover what anime kids watch.
Bob’s Burgers is very sincere. They just had an episode about divorce and how it impacts children.
Bobs Burgers is a GOATed adult cartoon ❤
but the character designs aren't sexy enough, so it's woke and bad
As HEMA practitioner Xan sending lefties to rescue Skjalls channel could be the best thing in HEMA since the Pro Gauntlet dropped
I watch a lot of Shad’s content, because the stuff about medieval combat and fantasy worldbuilding is still great, but damn, this is disappointing to learn.
As a writer and D&D worldbuilder, it was a fantastic source and great at getting me to think of how the fantastic affects the realistic. But I always got the feeling that his media takes weren't gelling with me. It wasn't surprising seeing Xan covering the drama with Skallagrim that Shad was really off the deep end, but Shad lashing out at Scholagladiatoria for severingvties and overtly siccing his fans on him got me to finally watch one of his Knights Watch videos on hating LGBTQ+ representation, and the hatred therein, plus the casual admitting to wanting to gear kids into heterosexual relationships (ie, the thing he was accusing of others grooming for other orientations), I've unsubbed and disregarded him since.
These days seems he's doing more "is boobplate practical" content anyway.
I love how conservatives will harken back to "the good ol' days" of cartoons, where heroes were perfect role-models who always did the right thing, when probably 90% of their time is still spent whining about Rey from Star Wars being a perfect, boring "woke" Mary Sue.
My grandma told me Santa wasn't real when I was 18, of course I knew by then but it still makes me laugh to think about it.
My borthers in Christs they accuse child cartoons of now of being insincere while their favorite "Heman" and "Transformers" were litteral add campaigns designed to make people buy their shit. The Irony is so fucking nuclear.
Also, don't think I didn't daw throught the fangasm of Xander all about adventure time, Batman the animated serie and all of this segpent of DC's animated universe history (Superman, Justice league, JL:U, Teen Titan etc) are to this day very well written, if we want to go older we can talk about how gundam was supposedly target at young japaneses even so it constantly talks about war and how its meanningless, I know nobody will believe me BUT DIGIMON IS INCREDIBLE GUYS INSWEAR JUST LISTEN TO ME FOR ONE SE-
Digimon is based... But you gotta admit there's some sussy designs.
@@VelaiciaCreator just like the dc animated universe now that I think about it.
Early '00s are horny af
@@xdr22 The designs of the cards are getting sussier. Somehow.
as another example, Jem and the Holograms was a competing doll line to Barbie, and as such they had a tv show to advertise them. my bf and i love watching this show because it's both incredibly cynical, weirdly woke and emotionally driven, and every episode has an animation budget of like.... two
Santa is real. He just have the gift of ubiquity and can shape-shift into my parents
G1 Transformers has a lot of progressive messaging for its time besides being a toy commercial. Even just baseline stuff like the Autobots would often win through a combination of team work, listening to outside opinions, and general concern for others. Where as the decepticons would often snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by betraying each other , being greedy and/or shortsighted. I know this seems simple, but these seem to be some really basic concepts that these people did not take away from their programming.
Lets not forget that representative from Florida who compared Trans people to the X-men. But in a negative way. Showing that not only did he at least absorb the metaphor of the x-men, but actively is acting like the government in X-men did to the mutants.
The complaining they're doing is so silly considering the amounts of double entendre that have always been in children's media. They just don't like that it's about people that aren't them.
I found out santa wasnt real on the playground at school when I was like eight and I told my parents. they responded by saying something like "if santa's not real then youre not getting christmas presents from him this year" so I kept up the charade to this day AND I work in a school in the 6th grade and i have to be very careful about what I say. I work in special ed too so sometimes some of the kids tell me they know santa's not real in front of the whole class and I have to have "The Talk" with them so that they understand the social niceties around santa.
Also I think it's so weird that we have all these movies saying that santa operates on belief and the world is ending because not enough kids these days believe in santa. It's a very strange message to send to kids who still believe in santa especially when they come out with the hip new "get your message to santa" device sold in every store with a cash register. Oh wow look at this, thinking about santa has once again led me to the conclusion that capitalism is a monster that must be eradicated from this earth.
The problem with the content they praise where the good guys always do the right thing - childhood is about learning and sometimes making mistakes and learning how to come back from them.
Shows with overwhelmingly good and bad characters are limited in really dealing in complex moral lessons.
Also Bee and Puppycat is an amazing show.
Oh my god seeing he-man i know exactly what video is going about
I'm a he-man fan even if original cartoon is extremely silly it's still brings me some kind of joy.
For a long time i could watch new he-man revelation because of bad reviews. But month ago i gave it a chance and despite PAINFUL and upsetting first 3 episodes this was one of the best 10/10 animation experience i had in years.
Conservatives and reactionaries heavily misrepresent this show to the point there's tons of HM:R moments on TH-cam absolutely cut out of context they get mad about.
Things are so bad i legit seeing those clips out of context though that one of the main characters died (spoiler they were not it was a cliffhanger) but the whole internet still pretends as if it actually happened. Reactionaries misunderstood main message, reactionaries tore apart some story plot twist that were set either in original cartoon or in 00s cartoon. Also HM:R is definitely made by a people who love he-man
So yeah watch Revelation especially if you loved 00s cartoon lore. It may start upsetting but totally worth it.
"Omg he-man diessss! Woke wahmen mc!" was 99% of the complaints, then you watch the show and he's dead for like 2 episodes out of the entire show lmfao
@@SoI_Badguy TRUEEE and they use final of a 5th(???) episode which is supposed to be a cliffhanger as it was an ACTUAL final of the show so constantly that i actually believed that for two years untill i saw a summary of an actual last episode on some random site and decided to give it a try.
Revelation was did so dirty it's genuinely crazy, internet literally lies about whole plot of this show except like first episode.
I'm so fucking sad to see shadyversity being dubbed this way by an icon of the far right. The dude was humiliated like 2 times by some left content creators for being basically completelly paranoid over minor things in movies and he just goes to podcast with people who have quite a few fachist takes. Thanks god there are other, better, content creators about medieval warfare on this website
It's the same misconception with videogames. Lot's of conservatives pretend that games were less "political" in the past. But that's mostly because they played them when they were young themselves, and overlooked the messages.
You underestimate Avatar. The lore is much deeper then you realize.
Same goes for The subject matter felt with in the show. The creators of Zim created ATLA .
From episode one, it was clear they had a road map to the final episode. Except for one, none of the episodes are fillers. The characters all go thru an evolution. Some of it subtle,some of it,n of so much, but rarely simple.
The impact of this show on tv animation is undeniable.
You really should give it a watch.
5:14 - 6:40 One of the big reasons for me figuring out that Santa isn’t real was learning about climate change & the geography of the North Pole. (The North Pole is covered by ice above the water of the Arctic Ocean.)
Of course that could be explained by Santa’s workshop being a giant boat, or Santa’s workshop actually being in the South Pole but each of those hypotheses comes with its own extra logistical problems.
"Soygom" knocked the wind out of my chest 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
"Chudiversity" is even better.
Used to love Shad. Didnt know he was a chud back then. Noticed he got into bouts with Skall and it made me question his integrity. Then I heard he started to say some right wing shit on on his podcast, Game Knights. Being a trans leftist myself, I had to stop watching his content.
I wonder how they feel about Mr. Rogers sharing a footbath with a gay black man on his show which aired nationally in 1969.
I guess this is how Shad copes after losing the battle for his AI.
They are welcome not to watch them if they don't like them.
Plus they're in their late 40s(judging by the white facial hair), and cartoons are meant for children(and to sell toys in He-Man's case).
I honestly disagree with that. Cartoons aren't just for kids. I'm looking at shows like Avatar the Last Airbender, Owl House, Amphbia, among other cartoons. Hell look at Rick and Morty. That isn't meant for kids but it's still a cartoon. I would like to know your thoughts on this.
I feel so attacked... I'm 43 and got silver hair and silver beard..
Right Wingers can't analyze media... Comics, Music, Movies, Video Games, TV Shows (Twin Peaks had a Transgender character she was the Boss over that department of the FBI, Guy that played her... You would know from The X-Files)
Now, At that time executives didn't like that character so David Lynch put that character into more episodes.
Executives did kill the show due to their idiocy and pushing.
But Right Wingers just want to see themselves as heroes so much that they ignore things to do so... Which is why Cops wearing the Deth's Head Skull (Punisher Symbol) is funny... Punisher became a Anarcho-communist he pummels tons of Right Wingers, Cops, And anyone bad... These people don't understand, can't and won't try, the only symbol they should wear is a swastika in their foreheads.
Sargon is 40 I believe. He's an older millennial, not a gen xer. Most older millennials are pretty cringe tbh
@@ACanOfBakedBeans White hair at just 40?!
Not aging well, I'm afraid.
I'm 45, I watched Master of the Universe in it's first run, even as a child of 5-8 years old, I thought Masters of the Universe was childish. Even compared to shows of the time like GIJoe or Transformers, Masters of the Universe was very poorly written. While they are all cynical cartoon made as toy commercials, there is definitely a difference in writing quality.
6:30 I knew Santa wasn’t real when the letter he wrote me back was in my dad’s handwriting and “Santa” asked for Oreos as cookies, which are my dad’s favorite. 🤣
3:13 I just read a comment today that the existence of straight women is proof that sexuality isn’t a choice.
It was on the video “Gay Men Will Marry Your Girlfriends”, if that provides any context 😄
Alex following the vaush tradition of bad media takes (in a smaller capacity). By telling people to start a show on episode 2 and skip the prequel show before watching the new one.
Cowards, when I was a kid I intentionally got spiders to bite me so I could become Spiderman
He-Man fan here, the series is about as progressive as you can get lmao, especially She-Ra. Skeletor is the most obvious misogynistic villain ever. His insults are hilarious though.
You can't punch through that wall, He-Man! It's forty feet thick!
No Billy, don't play with that barbie doll! That will make you the gay!
No go play with your box of buff men in Speedos.
I’ve even heard a few conservatives taking about the Netflix Avatar adaptation and wishing it wasn’t woke. They clearly suck at media analysis.
Waxing nostalgic about the "sincerity" of the glorified toy commercials we had growing up sure is a take. Like I loved those cartoons too but let's not pretend they weren't designed first and foremost to sell toys.
Put screens on your windows.
if anyone is wondering why Shad has incredible amounts of social capitall(he is friends with Brandon Sanderson, he was aided by him while writing his book... which breaks my heart. I dont think BS is as hateful as Shad..but its ridiculous) its because he is in a powerful cult known colloquially as Mormonism.. That is why he has so much power, money, and children. Its also how he can find a woman who would put up with his depravity. Its because she was brainwashed from birth to submit to a man like Shad.
If you want some great western cartoons to watch while tripping:
Super Jail
Midnight Gospel
as someone who's been utterly desperate for sincere adult cartoons with strong language and violence but also sincerity among its cast and an interest in telling a good story rather than just being able to get away with vulgarity, you are really selling me on fiona and cake. i really loved arcane as another adult cartoon that prioritized its story and characters over what it could get away with, but it's been so rare to find similar shows. we truly need more of this in media, and as an aspiring storyteller, i really hope i can contribute to this genre sooner rather than later !!
(still hoping we get our teen and up owl house sequel series that dana originally pitched the show as before disney asked her to age it down; still love the show, but i'm exceptionally curious about plenty of her original concepts)
That thing about Santa not being real is funny to me. When I first heard from my dad that Santa wasn't real, my first question was "Does that mean Jesus isn't real?"
Yes. Yes, it means the things I told you are real may not actually be real.