I'd rather hear 78s than a CD 44KHz sampling kills musicality, I told my 78 collector friend to use 48 for archiving, and I demonstrated full analog sounds way better than listening to the USB out from the Rega mini fono connected to the computer then running sound card out to the amp
Interesting to see someone tried it :) You can use thick wooden knitting needles as well, they might be a bit stronger as well. I got a clear tone with them, with or without the gum arabic treatment.
Heard of bachisback? Seller on eBay R.Peter Munves. Look him up, he worked for RCA and collected the entire RCA 78rpm catalog. Mr. Munves assured me that cactus needles and any organic means used in place of steel needles leaves deposits within the groove left there because of the heat from the friction of the fast rotation of the disc. That is why HMV records used within the UK and then played with a diamond stylus are un-listen-able. The organic matter in cactus or wooden needles are fibers burned into the shellac and never come out, forever leaving their mark of distortion of sound.
OMG, man - that is a helluva lot of work you've described there. You can get literally hundreds of brand, spanking new steel needles for less than ten bucks. If new needles were expensive, I could understand going to all this trouble. But they're not!
Hi Richard, Actually, it was no work at all. I had already made the rig for cactus needles (see other video). My point is two-fold: One, if you have an old gramophone with no needles you can play it instantly with something everyone has, a toothpick. Steel needles have to be mail ordered. Second, there is far less possibility of damaging your record with a toothpick than a steel needle. I would much rather have someone use a softer bamboo toothpick than an old worn steel needle (something I have seen many times). Hope this helps!
In Argentina it's IMPOSSIBLE to get new steel needles, they're very expensive. In my experience these toothpicks works really well, and it worth nothing 😂
Depends on if they were shellac or vinyl/styrene. Children's 78's from the 50's and early 60's were often the latter. General rule: styli are okay for shellac, but steel needles should be avoided on vinyl and styrene. Back in the 50's and 60's record players often had a two-sided stylus that you could flip to play either 33/45's or 78's.
I always thought that wooden needles sounded the best on these old acoustic machines. The metal needles just end up sounding too tinny for my tastes. While the wood on the otherhand kinda dampens the sound so it sounds more clean, and less harsh.
They can. You just need a player which has the 78rpm setting and the right stylus in the cartridge. The groove on a 78 is wider, so you need a larger diameter stylus.
Sorta the groove is 3 times wider on average to a normal LP of 45, so you need a thicker needle, the cartrige has to be able to acomodate that needle, the players has to be able to spin at 78 and preferably 80rpm and a few other speeds, and it has to be wired for mono, other than that defienently :)@@djsndcx
The wax residue from those wax infused needles just coats the grooves of the record with WAX. It's basically lining the entire recorded groove with muck every time. Your idea of a wooden needle is admirable ... however.... know when to stop. You created an alternative needle .... but coloring it and soaking it in wax is redundant and does nothing to improve the practicality of it .
Grandpa use to tell the kids to run outside and get a thorn from the bushes. That worked, too. Thank heavens for CDs!
I'd rather hear 78s than a CD 44KHz sampling kills musicality, I told my 78 collector friend to use 48 for archiving, and I demonstrated full analog sounds way better than listening to the USB out from the Rega mini fono connected to the computer then running sound card out to the amp
@@manFromPeterborough Too bad not all music is on 78s.
Tech ibuyoldrecords on Instagram makes custom 78rpm records for $35 shipping included in the US
@@harshnemesis they don't produce a tinny sound with a good gramophone or record player so.....
@@harshnemesis i collect, if you have a electric record player/turntable you can bass boost it
Interesting to see someone tried it :) You can use thick wooden knitting needles as well, they might be a bit stronger as well. I got a clear tone with them, with or without the gum arabic treatment.
Heard of bachisback? Seller on eBay R.Peter Munves. Look him up, he worked for RCA and collected the entire RCA 78rpm catalog. Mr. Munves assured me that cactus needles and any organic means used in place of steel needles leaves deposits within the groove left there because of the heat from the friction of the fast rotation of the disc. That is why HMV records used within the UK and then played with a diamond stylus are un-listen-able. The organic matter in cactus or wooden needles are fibers burned into the shellac and never come out, forever leaving their mark of distortion of sound.
I wonder if some type of lubrication would stop the burning in of wooden styluses.
Thank you, I can now not worry As much knowing I can make needles
Really thank you! This helps me
Ive treid catus thorns as a needle, they play great as well..
Hi Gerry, Please check out my cactus needle video at: th-cam.com/video/wxuPDTlIofY/w-d-xo.html. Thanks!
OMG, man - that is a helluva lot of work you've described there. You can get literally hundreds of brand, spanking new steel needles for less than ten bucks. If new needles were expensive, I could understand going to all this trouble. But they're not!
Hi Richard, Actually, it was no work at all. I had already made the rig for cactus needles (see other video). My point is two-fold: One, if you have an old gramophone with no needles you can play it instantly with something everyone has, a toothpick. Steel needles have to be mail ordered. Second, there is far less possibility of damaging your record with a toothpick than a steel needle. I would much rather have someone use a softer bamboo toothpick than an old worn steel needle (something I have seen many times). Hope this helps!
And the shelf satisfaction that you maid them nice job.
I would just cut the toothpick in half and use it "as it is"
STEEL? WHAT ABOUT THE GOLD NEEDLES OF YORE?
In Argentina it's IMPOSSIBLE to get new steel needles, they're very expensive. In my experience these toothpicks works really well, and it worth nothing 😂
I'm gonna try this out. Thanks!
Was that record in the beginning a Brunswick Record?
Yes it was, I believe the ones with the coloured designs like that were from the early 20s.
I’ve used pins, dress pins, safety pins, needles, and sewing machine needles.
Lost me at "let sit a week". My solution: Find a bag of 100 needles on eBay for $5.00 (US). Wait a week. Open the mail.
records are all going to wear out at some stage,face it
Do 78s made in the 1950s use a steel needle or a stylus?
Yes
Steel needle not a normal record stylus
Stylus. The heavy reproduces measured in ounces will damage them. Use a light pick up.
Depends on if they were shellac or vinyl/styrene. Children's 78's from the 50's and early 60's were often the latter. General rule: styli are okay for shellac, but steel needles should be avoided on vinyl and styrene. Back in the 50's and 60's record players often had a two-sided stylus that you could flip to play either 33/45's or 78's.
It should be kinder to the record than steel as well.
What happens if you use a birch toothpick?
I always thought that wooden needles sounded the best on these old acoustic machines. The metal needles just end up sounding too tinny for my tastes. While the wood on the otherhand kinda dampens the sound so it sounds more clean, and less harsh.
Maybe there's less vibration
I understand that waxing provides lubrication, therefore less wear. However, I'm concerned about wax residue getting transfered on the record.
you cut toothpicks then sand the ends,but dont toothpicks already have two sharp ends?????
Wrong angle
just got a Meltrope 1 soundbox, how does the front shroud over the needle bar come off ?
How many uses do you get from a Bamboo needle?
Depends on how tough the spy you are trying to get information from is.
1 play
Technically you could resharpen them and get many uses
Couldn't you still use birch toothpicks too?
I was thinking that too but my guess maybe is that birch is too soft while bamboo is a lot harder
What is the name of the songs plz tel me
My apologies for being a bit late, I believe the piece is named “National Emblem March”. I hope this helps.
I have a steel needle sharpener.
Why can't the 78RPM records be played by just a normal record player?
They can. You just need a player which has the 78rpm setting and the right stylus in the cartridge. The groove on a 78 is wider, so you need a larger diameter stylus.
Oh, so it's just about the speed and groove inconsistencies that 'modern' vinyl records don't have?
Sorta the groove is 3 times wider on average to a normal LP of 45, so you need a thicker needle, the cartrige has to be able to acomodate that needle, the players has to be able to spin at 78 and preferably 80rpm and a few other speeds, and it has to be wired for mono, other than that defienently :)@@djsndcx
Je le ferai!
wow
Interesting! Check my channel out where I used a bamboo toothpick with nice results!! Plays equal to a soft tone needle!
Why don't they just sell them ready made😮,?
The wax residue from those wax infused needles just coats the grooves of the record with WAX. It's basically lining the entire recorded groove with muck every time. Your idea of a wooden needle is admirable ... however.... know when to stop. You created an alternative needle .... but coloring it and soaking it in wax is redundant and does nothing to improve the practicality of it .
Good grief! You can still buy steel needles AND bamboo needles. That's insane.
what a fuss HMV/Victor bamboo needle cutters aren't that expensive or rare just spend the dough and use those! at least 4 minutes wasted!
sound is no good
The record is 100 years old, of course it’s gonna be worn out.
God sake yi can,t even buy needls for schlack dics any more ,so just get the modern lp needle
they still make steel needles for acoustic players they are a fun novelty anyways