if the kicking team recovers it and scores can they request another onside kick? How many onside kicks is the limit they can request? what are the rules for granting onside kicks? can they just do nothing but onside kicks and, lets say by chance they recover it every time and score, can they just continue to kick onside kicks?
technically yes. You can keep recovering the kicks and then scoring. However it is extremely unlikely that this would every happen. Realistically they may recover one or two max in any college or professional game. On a side note I do believe I heard of a High School once that did this to another team successfully and the other teams offense never got on the field. I don't know how true that story is however.
I understand if it does touches but why rule change if its futher down field and "downed" by kicking team...BUT its not their possession? IMO it needs be only if touched by receiving team!
What I don't understand about onside kicks is why don't they try rugby style kick offs where the ball hangs in the air and the kicking team gets the opportunity to contest the ball.
I've started watching some games, and have a lot of questions/confusion about some things... one thing is, sometimes I see kicks and the receiving team just stands there and lets the ball bounce around, and then that is the new line of scrimmage. Why would they do this? Can't the kicking team just grab it? Also, is it theoretically possible/allowed that on a field goal or extra point, the opposing team could jump up and grab the ball, or recover it if it somehow bounced off something and onto the field (like a fumble)? EDIT: I think maybe you alluded the answer toward the end of the video... those must have been punts?
If it is a kickoff, then it is called a "live ball" and yes, the kicking team can grab it (as long as the kick goes at least ten yards) and it would be their ball. For a punt though, as soon as the ball is kicked, it becomes the other team's ball. So they can catch the punt and try to run it back, fair catch (waive their arm in the air) and they get the ball where it is caught, or like you mentioned just let it bounce. They will get the ball wherever the punting team touches it (this is called "downing the ball"). For the extra point/field goal, yes, the defense can and often will try to jump up and block the kick. If they do block it and the ball hits the ground (which it usually does), the play would be over and the blocking team would get the ball at that spot. If a field goal kick does not make it to the goal posts, the other team is allowed to catch the ball and return it like a punt, but that doesn't happen that often. Only for really long field goal kicks.
Wow, thank you so much. Thanks for the video series (one of a kind) and the great response. When you say "If they do block it and the ball hits the ground (which it usually does), the play would be over and the blocking team would get the ball at that spot," does that mean that it doesn't behave like a fumble? As in, no one can recover it?
Daniel Russell I wasn't very clear on that, it gets tricky there. If the ball is kicked, blocked, and it bounces back toward the kicker, it is like a fumble, so either team can pick it up and run with it. If the ball is kicked, blocked, and but it keeps going toward the uprights, it's a dead ball and the play is over. I think there are different rules for different leagues too, so that might not always be the case. If you search for 'Blocked field goals,' you should be able to find some videos of them going both ways.
Daniel Russell Try living in Canada where we follow both our own Canadian Football but also the NFL. College Football in the US (NCAA) also has some slightly different rules.
The second part is wrong. If the receiving team doesn't touch it and the kicking team does on a non-onside kick then the receiving team starts there not the kicking team.
So do they have to state that they are going to do an onside kick? you said that even if the onside kick was almost like a normal kick and went way back the kicking team could still pick it up and it would be in their possession. but on a normal kick it would just be down where it was touched if the kicking team touched it and possession would be to the receiving team. I'm confused
You don't have to state what kind of kickoff you're doing. You shouldnt. If the receiving team thinks that you are going to do an onside they will line up in a "Onside Recovery Formation" where a bunch of the recieving team players are bunched up where the onside kick will go and they will try and recover the kick before the kicking team recovers it. Some players stay back during an onside recovery formation (like the kick returner, and a couple more players to block the kick returner) just in case an onside kick isn't what the kicking team does. During a normal return formation (like what is shown in the video) the recieving team has 2 players on each side of the ball and 1 player in the middle of the kickoff, so if the kicking team happens to do an onside kick, but the recieving team isn't in the onside formation, they still have a few players trying to recover the ball.
I hate the offside kick rules. It should be harder to gain possession. The ball should have to travel at least 20 yards. Rules that allow teams to win football games based on a lucky bounce of a ball undermine the greatness of the game. I also hate rules that allow teams to gain too much advantage on one single play. Interceptions and fumbles should be dead at the spot the ball changes hands. Allowing a team to return a fumble or interception 90+ yards puts wayyy too much emphasis on one play. No other sport allows 1 or 2 big plays to so completely alter the outcome of a game. It's not like baseball gives the defense 3 runs for turning a triple play or 2 runs for a double play. A homerun is only 1 run regardless of how far the ball is hit unless there are men on base. If you want to watch a sport that allows 1 or 2 lucky plays to determine winners and losers, just become a soccer fan. There is no rhyme or reason to that game, which is why most Americans find it annoying.
I really argree with you with everything except the 10 yards u got soild points on lucky plays or whatever but football is unfair and scripted but 10 yards is about hard asl to get on the kicking team and on top of that it's on the receiving teams side so the chances are slim but ur right in most cases bro
@@daniel79tj I don't think you're understanding my point. Football analysts always say the team that wins the turnover battle will usually win the game. But there is a great disparity in how much a team benefits from an int or fumble recovery. At the end of a half, when teams throw the ball into the end zone to try and score, on a Hail Mary those int's don't change the game at all. Knocking the ball down would be just as good. On the other hand when a team that is about to score, throws an int and it is returned 90 yards for 6 points, that has a MUCH more dramatic impact on the game.
If it doesn't go 10 yards and it touches a member of the receiving team the kicking team can recover it
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hahahahaha yeah a 10-year-old kid could've recover that
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Thanks! This made it pretty clear!
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if the kicking team recovers it and scores can they request another onside kick? How many onside kicks is the limit they can request? what are the rules for granting onside kicks? can they just do nothing but onside kicks and, lets say by chance they recover it every time and score, can they just continue to kick onside kicks?
technically yes. You can keep recovering the kicks and then scoring. However it is extremely unlikely that this would every happen. Realistically they may recover one or two max in any college or professional game. On a side note I do believe I heard of a High School once that did this to another team successfully and the other teams offense never got on the field. I don't know how true that story is however.
I understand if it does touches but why rule change if its futher down field and "downed" by kicking team...BUT its not their possession? IMO it needs be only if touched by receiving team!
how does it happen?
If you don't catch the ball at first, can you still try to pick it off the ground?
yes
As long as it goes ten yards, it doesn't matter whether it bounces or if the other team touches it, yes you can try to pick it up.
TheOnDeckCircle can you pick it up and run it into the End Zone?
Yes, you can if you don't get tackled.
I just started tackle so this is helpful
Must go 10 yards in order for the kicking team to recover it the receiving team can recover it before 10 yards
What I don't understand about onside kicks is why don't they try rugby style kick offs where the ball hangs in the air and the kicking team gets the opportunity to contest the ball.
I've started watching some games, and have a lot of questions/confusion about some things... one thing is, sometimes I see kicks and the receiving team just stands there and lets the ball bounce around, and then that is the new line of scrimmage. Why would they do this? Can't the kicking team just grab it?
Also, is it theoretically possible/allowed that on a field goal or extra point, the opposing team could jump up and grab the ball, or recover it if it somehow bounced off something and onto the field (like a fumble)?
EDIT: I think maybe you alluded the answer toward the end of the video... those must have been punts?
If it is a kickoff, then it is called a "live ball" and yes, the kicking team can grab it (as long as the kick goes at least ten yards) and it would be their ball.
For a punt though, as soon as the ball is kicked, it becomes the other team's ball. So they can catch the punt and try to run it back, fair catch (waive their arm in the air) and they get the ball where it is caught, or like you mentioned just let it bounce. They will get the ball wherever the punting team touches it (this is called "downing the ball").
For the extra point/field goal, yes, the defense can and often will try to jump up and block the kick. If they do block it and the ball hits the ground (which it usually does), the play would be over and the blocking team would get the ball at that spot.
If a field goal kick does not make it to the goal posts, the other team is allowed to catch the ball and return it like a punt, but that doesn't happen that often. Only for really long field goal kicks.
Wow, thank you so much. Thanks for the video series (one of a kind) and the great response.
When you say "If they do block it and the ball hits the ground (which it usually does), the play would be over and the blocking team would get the ball at that spot," does that mean that it doesn't behave like a fumble? As in, no one can recover it?
Daniel Russell I wasn't very clear on that, it gets tricky there. If the ball is kicked, blocked, and it bounces back toward the kicker, it is like a fumble, so either team can pick it up and run with it.
If the ball is kicked, blocked, and but it keeps going toward the uprights, it's a dead ball and the play is over. I think there are different rules for different leagues too, so that might not always be the case. If you search for 'Blocked field goals,' you should be able to find some videos of them going both ways.
Wow. The more I learn about Football, the more complex it gets. It's like a Rabbit's Hole.
Daniel Russell Try living in Canada where we follow both our own Canadian Football but also the NFL. College Football in the US (NCAA) also has some slightly different rules.
The second part is wrong. If the receiving team doesn't touch it and the kicking team does on a non-onside kick then the receiving team starts there not the kicking team.
So do they have to state that they are going to do an onside kick? you said that even if the onside kick was almost like a normal kick and went way back the kicking team could still pick it up and it would be in their possession. but on a normal kick it would just be down where it was touched if the kicking team touched it and possession would be to the receiving team. I'm confused
You don't have to state what kind of kickoff you're doing. You shouldnt.
If the receiving team thinks that you are going to do an onside they will line up in a "Onside Recovery Formation" where a bunch of the recieving team players are bunched up where the onside kick will go and they will try and recover the kick before the kicking team recovers it. Some players stay back during an onside recovery formation (like the kick returner, and a couple more players to block the kick returner) just in case an onside kick isn't what the kicking team does.
During a normal return formation (like what is shown in the video) the recieving team has 2 players on each side of the ball and 1 player in the middle of the kickoff, so if the kicking team happens to do an onside kick, but the recieving team isn't in the onside formation, they still have a few players trying to recover the ball.
Totally not what he asked! No hate. I'm looking for the answer to the same question he asked as well if you read it again maybe?
What if you directly kick out of bounds
Dean Kruger touchback
socks do you get the ball on the 40 or the 20
Dean Kruger it’s either placed at the 40 yard line or the line of scrimmage is pushed an additional 25 yds. whichever is farther
Swing and a miss
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I hate the offside kick rules. It should be harder to gain possession. The ball should have to travel at least 20 yards.
Rules that allow teams to win football games based on a lucky bounce of a ball undermine the greatness of the game.
I also hate rules that allow teams to gain too much advantage on one single play. Interceptions and fumbles
should be dead at the spot the ball changes hands. Allowing a team to return a fumble or interception 90+ yards puts
wayyy too much emphasis on one play. No other sport allows 1 or 2 big plays to so completely alter the outcome of a game.
It's not like baseball gives the defense 3 runs for turning a triple play or 2 runs for a double play.
A homerun is only 1 run regardless of how far the ball is hit unless there are men on base.
If you want to watch a sport that allows 1 or 2 lucky plays to determine winners and losers, just become a soccer fan.
There is no rhyme or reason to that game, which is why most Americans find it annoying.
I really argree with you with everything except the 10 yards u got soild points on lucky plays or whatever but football is unfair and scripted but 10 yards is about hard asl to get on the kicking team and on top of that it's on the receiving teams side so the chances are slim but ur right in most cases bro
Over your head bro, sry.
@@daniel79tj
I don't think you're understanding my point.
Football analysts always say the team that wins the turnover battle will usually win the game.
But there is a great disparity in how much a team benefits from an int or fumble recovery.
At the end of a half, when teams throw the ball into the end zone to try and score,
on a Hail Mary those int's don't change the game at all. Knocking the ball down would be just as good.
On the other hand when a team that is about to score, throws an int and it is returned 90 yards for 6 points,
that has a MUCH more dramatic impact on the game.
You don't have a very hi football IQ do you?
Look at percentages of onside kicks recovered