@@maxfrankow1238 They are talking about Sub-Lieutenant Saburo Sakai who mis-identified a group of 15 F6F Hellcat fighters as friendly and flew too close, and was attacked; he was able to shake off 20 minutes worth of attacks from these fighters and returned to base unscathed.
Navy pilot Campbell obtained 9 kills in a single air combat against Japanese fighters during the battle of Leyte. He would have got more, but ran low on fuel, and was out of ammunition. His wingman got five. The Japanese pilots at the time where green, due to attrition of losing their best pilots over several years.
Definitely. Many of those late war Hellcat pilots never even scored a kill. But the Grumman "Ironworks" produced a solid aircraft and no doubt it saved lives. Armor is heavy and every pound you add to the aircraft cuts the performance, but Grumman and the US Navy were willing to make that tradeoff and it worked. A shot-up plane can be patched and repaired, a pile of scrap at the bottom of the pacific cannot. After the war Hellcats were used as remote controlled drones for air gunnery practice!
yeah true, for different reasons though. The hellcat just brute forced its way to high alt since the engine was considerably better than the common zero,the hellcat is far heavier than the zero though, while the zero had a weak engine (lets be honest here) but was incredibly light, so if it was climbing it was more of a float upwards.
Now the Hellcat is the better fighter as it can dive away if in danger and take some punishment. But it cant dogfight a Zero. It has to climb higher and faster then make diving attacks. In this situation, low and slow, the Zero would never be in any danger.
It's true that the F6F Hellcat outclassed the A6M Zero, but remember the F6F was specifically designed with the Zero in mind. When the US first entered the war, they were using the previous F4F Wildcat, which was a far inferior fighter to the Zero. As with many things during the Pacific War, the Japanese were way ahead of their time at the beginning of the war, but the US was better able to exploit their industry to develop better (and more) technology by the later years.
Don't know whether it's possible to see Zero in IWM Duxford airshow. Only 4 flyable Zeros on earth, while you can easily see a great formation of one or two dozens Spitfires in Duxford show.
F-6F is able to prevail or at least match to Zero in almost every tactical situations. Comparing Zero, F-6F is faster in level flight, accelerating, diving, climbing. Usually Zero take tremendous advantage in mid/low speed maneuvering, but this was dramatically shrinkage with F-6F (especially F-6F5). Some Japanese pilots such as Sakai Saburō confirmed that Hellcat could trun with Zero --- For older American fighters such as F-2 or F-4, within 2 circles they ended up with finding Zero at their six. All newer American fighter such as P-47/F-4U/F-6F/P-38 took advantage from their superior energy (speed/high altitude performance) to suppress Zeros, no need to dog fight with them. The exchange ratio between Hellcats and Zeros is approximately 1 to 13（F-4U Corsair scored even higher）. The appearance of Hellcats in 1943 really change the tide of the Pacific air battles.
Demonstrating how F6F could shoot down zero is fine, but they should also show what techniques were employed by zero pilots to shoot down F6Fs. This kind of air show is turning into childish braggart.
Hellcats indeed used brute force then the lighter zero, however the Hellcat was maneuverable in the climb and could turn a bit better due to being such a heavily built fighter. it could take the high g stress. the Zero well a excellent dogfighter fighter was such a light skin craft high stress at high speeds or extremely sharp turns can indeed tear the poor craft apart. Also most of the Japanese ace pilots died during midway what was left was a cross between decent pilots and complete nuggets. the Empire had a serious issue about bringing seasoned vets back home to train the next generation, better they died in glory of the empire then surrender or head home.
no it is true. the zero is more maneuverable. flight leads told all of their squad mates that dogfighting with the japanese fighters was suicide. either the zero didnt see the hellcat on their tail or it dove on them incredibly fast, etc.. the reason zeros often lost to hellcats was due to the speed advantage
Yes people, obviously I know they won't even dare to do anything close to a real dogfight. Just the pomp and circumstance over it seemed a little much for a lack of action in the air that was just normal air show maneuvers.
they're not going to push these old airframes to anywhere near the actual speeds, plus they wouldn't be able to keep the show in front of the crowd. there would be major lulls while they were turning around a mile away at 200 mph.
THAT is why the hellcats tore the zeros apart (besides of course the zeros not having armor and not having self sealing tanks) not cause the hellcat was so superior. I encourage you to read Samurai by Saburo Sakai and read about an ace pilot in an old past its prime zero evading at least half a dozen Hellcats late in the war. The late war hellcat pilots were not all aces. The difference was, if they made a mistake, their armor could give them a 2nd chance, the zeros just burst into flames...
This announcer is giving me some serious cancer, how many times are you going to repeat about how much more horsepower the hellcat has than the zero, but then not talk about the weight difference. Honestly I wish this zero didn't have to be at this airshow.
I would have said the same thing a while back, but I discovered that they did not eliminate the little windows right at the moment when the -5 began. In fact, many -5 Hellcats left Beth Page with that extra window before they eliminated them. That said, even if this is a -5, I'd still have preferred they paint it in good old 3-tone blue/white. Collings Foundation IS working on getting a -3 back in the air right now. IIRC it's actually an F6F-3N with the radar pod on the wing.
Airshows need to go to a broadcast system that utilizes ear buds so we don't have to listen to these annoying announcers. It RUINS the whole effect of mock air battles.
So what? Stop being a child and actually get information from books and the internet instead of "WaRtHuNdEr" i pretty much left it because of how 1- sided it is. It is probably Russian. Russian tanks are hard to kill. Russian planes are hard to kill. Germany (which had the best technology in WW2) is pretty much degraded to a patatoe. And America. According to WARTHUNDER American planes were lightly armored and japanese Armor was "strong". Also have fun getting KO'd from above in your tanks by a ka-52.
Hey Mr 0 hero. Put your money were your mouth is zipper head. These were real pilots flying these hellcat's not some pimpled face punk playing a video game 🎮
Not to mention that by then the vast majority of the experienced Japanese pilots were dead and the pilots they had were poorly and hastily trained unlike their earlier counterparts.
Certainly, the Hellcat is one of the uglyest fuselage shaped plane of the WWII, besides the Wildcat, Tigercat, Brewster Buffalo and the P-47, perhaps due to acomplish their crescent search for performance, adopting even more (large and heavy) engine power, to compensate poor aerodynamics (!),, another example is the soviet LA-5 and LA-7, by the same adopted solutions...
The Hellcat is one of the best looking planes from it's best views, which is most of them. A little known fact is that the F6F Hellcat is in some important respects the largest single engine fighter of the war, yes, even over the P-47 Thunderbolt. It can take on a bit of a broadside look from close up. When you really study the length of that fuselage spine, with those great lines and the tail feathers it checks out as having classically good looking shapes and proportions. Tell Steve at Chino, we think the Hellcat should always be counted as one the more glamorous and nostalgic fighters of the 1940's!
Well that was a weird sight seeing a zero and a hellcat flying side by side.
I wish I could go to one of these kinds of airshows.
パワーは2倍、防弾装備も圧倒的に優れているヘルキャットを１５機も相手にして、その攻撃をかわして逃げ切った坂井三郎はやっぱりすごい。
しかも2機撃墜した上に無傷
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@@maxfrankow1238 They are talking about Sub-Lieutenant Saburo Sakai who mis-identified a group of 15 F6F Hellcat fighters as friendly and flew too close, and was attacked; he was able to shake off 20 minutes worth of attacks from these fighters and returned to base unscathed.
@@dashiofthe5222 戦法は別にして「岩本徹三」様は、推定２０２機と恐ろしい数の撃墜数だ❗ただ戦後の物の考え方の違いから病気で亡くなったの惜しい事だった。
賛成です。坂井三郎氏はやはり超Aクラスでしょう。
Zeros still my 2nd favorites!
Firts one my is between F4u corsair and p47 thunderbol
F6Fヘルキャットと零式艦上戦闘機が一緒に飛んでいるのを見るとすごく感動してしまう！
F6f out maneuvering the Zero? Not really. Out run, out gun - yes, but in a turning fight, no.
最高のショーですね。Under 3000m dog fight -Zero 52. Over 3000m zoom and dive fight -F6F.
Total score F6F 6-4 A6M5 Zero.
Both beautiful machines
grew up loving the Hellcat, great video.
両方とも格好いい！
you are so right
30 kills?!?! He must have been one Hell of a Pilot. :)
Navy pilot Campbell obtained 9 kills in a single air combat against Japanese fighters during the battle of Leyte. He would have got more, but ran low on fuel, and was out of ammunition. His wingman got five. The Japanese pilots at the time where green, due to attrition of losing their best pilots over several years.
I think he ended up with 34 victories and won the medal 🏅 of honor.
God that Zero is gorgeous
American ingenuity and creativity ...it won the day
旋回半径が全然違って運動性能も零戦のほうが全然いいですね。...ラバウルを避けて戦略をとった米軍の気持ちがわかる様なきがします。🌸⚓️🇯🇵
動画最後は、日米友好のフライトに見えて感動です！！
海軍艦船航空機整備士だった祖父に見せてあげたかった(T_T)
The Zero killer!
And the wildcat bane
Damb good set, Last time , I was @ El Torro, Mig when Splat.
Definitely. Many of those late war Hellcat pilots never even scored a kill. But the Grumman "Ironworks" produced a solid aircraft and no doubt it saved lives. Armor is heavy and every pound you add to the aircraft cuts the performance, but Grumman and the US Navy were willing to make that tradeoff and it worked. A shot-up plane can be patched and repaired, a pile of scrap at the bottom of the pacific cannot. After the war Hellcats were used as remote controlled drones for air gunnery practice!
Great airshow. This kind of reminds me of the movie Midway.
great video thanks !!!!
Nice video and camera work. Thanks for posting
Love both of these airplanes the hellcat proved itself Robert duncan showed this!! Rip bob!!
横方向の〝旋回性能〟ですが、零戦が〝小回り〟して一周するのにかかる時間で、大戦後期のアメリカ軍機は、同じ時間でパワーにモノをいわせて速い速度で〝大回り〟する様になっていましたね。
戦術の違いもありますが、戦闘空域を小さくとるか、大きくとるかで結果に影響するでしょうね。
追伸です。
アメリカの大戦中の戦闘機のイメージですが、私の勝手な想像では、
アメ車で言うと、
〝ファイアーバード・トランザム、シボレー・カマロ、プリムス・バラクーダ〟などに似た雰囲気がある様に思います。
〝マスタング〟もありますね。
零戦は、美しい！
やっぱり「🇯🇵ゼロ戦」の方が美しいと贔屓目で見てしまうなぁ❗(^-^)
yeah true, for different reasons though. The hellcat just brute forced its way to high alt since the engine was considerably better than the common zero,the hellcat is far heavier than the zero though, while the zero had a weak engine (lets be honest here) but was incredibly light, so if it was climbing it was more of a float upwards.
The Hellcat is David McCampbell's plane, the U.S. pilot with the most kills of the war. He took out 34 enemy planes.
zellarsDD777 Richard Bong, P38, 40 victories.
www.warhistoryonline.com/featured/top-10-u-s-fighter-aces-word-war-ii.html/2
AFAIK the Hellcat accounted for 3/4 of all the kills in the pacific.
パイロットの腕が試される機体と機体の性能が試される機体
Once they were enemy but now they r friends,hope the world can stay in peace
これからも大事にしろよな....
5:12 guys
Now the Hellcat is the better fighter as it can dive away if in danger and take some punishment. But it cant dogfight a Zero. It has to climb higher and faster then make diving attacks. In this situation, low and slow, the Zero would never be in any danger.
4:19 the moon :3
It's true that the F6F Hellcat outclassed the A6M Zero, but remember the F6F was specifically designed with the Zero in mind. When the US first entered the war, they were using the previous F4F Wildcat, which was a far inferior fighter to the Zero. As with many things during the Pacific War, the Japanese were way ahead of their time at the beginning of the war, but the US was better able to exploit their industry to develop better (and more) technology by the later years.
Don't know whether it's possible to see Zero in IWM Duxford airshow. Only 4 flyable Zeros on earth, while you can easily see a great formation of one or two dozens Spitfires in Duxford show.
F-6F is able to prevail or at least match to Zero in almost every tactical situations. Comparing Zero, F-6F is faster in level flight, accelerating, diving, climbing. Usually Zero take tremendous advantage in mid/low speed maneuvering, but this was dramatically shrinkage with F-6F (especially F-6F5). Some Japanese pilots such as Sakai Saburō confirmed that Hellcat could trun with Zero --- For older American fighters such as F-2 or F-4, within 2 circles they ended up with finding Zero at their six.
All newer American fighter such as P-47/F-4U/F-6F/P-38 took advantage from their superior energy (speed/high altitude performance) to suppress Zeros, no need to dog fight with them.
The exchange ratio between Hellcats and Zeros is approximately 1 to 13（F-4U Corsair scored even higher）. The appearance of Hellcats in 1943 really change the tide of the Pacific air battles.
Yah, the black sheep Boynton was shot down by a zero, too !!
my 2 favorite planes :)
the speaker is so bad, but love watching the zero fly, hellcat cool too
Demonstrating how F6F could shoot down zero is fine, but they should also show what techniques were employed by zero pilots to shoot down F6Fs. This kind of air show is turning into childish braggart.
Are there anymore airshows at EL TORO ?
平和になった証拠だね
The 2013 show has been cancelled.
yes that. but i wouldnt say "most" i'd say A LOT. after midway Japan still had a healthy amount of new born aces and aces in my opinion
Hellcats indeed used brute force then the lighter zero, however the Hellcat was maneuverable in the climb and could turn a bit better due to being such a heavily built fighter. it could take the high g stress. the Zero well a excellent dogfighter fighter was such a light skin craft high stress at high speeds or extremely sharp turns can indeed tear the poor craft apart. Also most of the Japanese ace pilots died during midway what was left was a cross between decent pilots and complete nuggets. the Empire had a serious issue about bringing seasoned vets back home to train the next generation, better they died in glory of the empire then surrender or head home.
^ I really hope this guy is just being sarcastic
no it is true. the zero is more maneuverable. flight leads told all of their squad mates that dogfighting with the japanese fighters was suicide. either the zero didnt see the hellcat on their tail or it dove on them incredibly fast, etc.. the reason zeros often lost to hellcats was due to the speed advantage
Can anyone tell me when the 2013 el toro air show is going to be at.?
nice vid
remember what happened to that airshow Mustang recently, partly owing to the fact of air density at low altitudes, as well as the age of the airframe.
Yes people, obviously I know they won't even dare to do anything close to a real dogfight. Just the pomp and circumstance over it seemed a little much for a lack of action in the air that was just normal air show maneuvers.
the Japanese did not have self sealing fuel tanks and they lost most of their good pilots at midway.
They didnt have to lose them they should never have attacked Pearl in the first place
The best pilot wins the fight regardless the plane. Chuck Yeager proved that repeatedly
Really wish the announcer would shut up.
they could also climb better than the zeros.
They had to be tough to handle the extreme forces of carrier landings...
撃墜マークが一瞬アメリカの国旗に見えたw
Are they flying slow for this air show? I think they are faster in real battles, right? Somebody tell me.
I think the speeds are accurate to those of real combat, but they might be flying slower because of the small area.
@@CappeSun nah. They were much much faster. If they were at full speed both then the camera man would pretty much not have been able to record them.
This is "Reisikikanjyosentoki„ !
Зеро лучший!!!
they're not going to push these old airframes to anywhere near the actual speeds, plus they wouldn't be able to keep the show in front of the crowd. there would be major lulls while they were turning around a mile away at 200 mph.
この低空でもし実戦だったらＦ6Ｆといえど零戦には敵わなかったことでしょう。
パイロットの腕次第でしょうね
Seems a lot slower than one would think
零戦とF6F…1対1なら性能を活かしきった方が勝つ。
well if that is true than why is called a zero killer?
can the commentator shut up? I want to hear the engine!
DUH,, you gotta compare the maneuverability in same speeds
THAT is why the hellcats tore the zeros apart (besides of course the zeros not having armor and not having self sealing tanks) not cause the hellcat was so superior. I encourage you to read Samurai by Saburo Sakai and read about an ace pilot in an old past its prime zero evading at least half a dozen Hellcats late in the war. The late war hellcat pilots were not all aces. The difference was, if they made a mistake, their armor could give them a 2nd chance, the zeros just burst into flames...
Has anyone here ever been to oshcosh?
This announcer is giving me some serious cancer, how many times are you going to repeat about how much more horsepower the hellcat has than the zero, but then not talk about the weight difference.
Honestly I wish this zero didn't have to be at this airshow.
he did say the zero was half the weight toward the end of the vid. watching them in formation its quite obvious too.
+IJN Nagato Yeah, and also forgot to mention that even obsolete, the zero would usually win lol. But, hey that's american's for you.
mushroom0metalhead
zeros win only if you play their game.
That was only true when it was first introduced, the Japanese pilots learned quick, and dropped their previous strategy they used on the wildcat.
mushroom0metalhead
you got that a bit backwards. i wont waste time with you though
Leaning the engine THAT much would have burned it up.
at low speeds. the F6F was more maneuverable than A6M5 at high speeds.
dont do a turn left following the zero
they had like nothing after midway so what are you talking about.
. F6F 3 Hellcat notice the little windows behind the pilot= thats the 3 the 5 eliminated them
I would have said the same thing a while back, but I discovered that they did not eliminate the little windows right at the moment when the -5 began. In fact, many -5 Hellcats left Beth Page with that extra window before they eliminated them. That said, even if this is a -5, I'd still have preferred they paint it in good old 3-tone blue/white. Collings Foundation IS working on getting a -3 back in the air right now. IIRC it's actually an F6F-3N with the radar pod on the wing.
they kept their best pilot until they died and not many aces were left after midway.
I would not say new born aces sense most of their carriers were sunk and the japan fleet was crushed and pilots dead.
Damn, could the Hellcat pilot not have shut up that annoying announcer, with those .50 cal guns?
国内に限り簡単な試験で飛行機に乗れるようにすべきだ、今のままじゃ戦時に優秀なパイロットを確保できないよ！
そんな付け焼き刃のパイロットが練度が高いと言えるんですかね？w
Airshows need to go to a broadcast system that utilizes ear buds so we don't have to listen to these annoying announcers. It RUINS the whole effect of mock air battles.
This is impossible. In warthunder I own hellcats all day with zeros!
Gaijan law says a hellcat sucks and zero do anything.
In real life the hellcats would of owned you the second they saw you.
So what? Stop being a child and actually get information from books and the internet instead of "WaRtHuNdEr" i pretty much left it because of how 1- sided it is. It is probably Russian. Russian tanks are hard to kill. Russian planes are hard to kill. Germany (which had the best technology in WW2) is pretty much degraded to a patatoe. And America. According to WARTHUNDER American planes were lightly armored and japanese Armor was "strong". Also have fun getting KO'd from above in your tanks by a ka-52.
Hey Mr 0 hero. Put your money were your mouth is zipper head. These were real pilots flying these hellcat's not some pimpled face punk playing a video game 🎮
Yes, that's WWII US Navy ace David McCampbell's plane, "Minsi III." McCampbell shot down 34 Japanese planes, including 9 on a single mission!
galoon That is an entirely different aircraft painted to replicate his aircraft.
Wasn't the Hellcat also a dive bomber
อเมริกันปนเครื่องบินซีโร่ญี่ปุ่น
Would have been twice as cool of they could fire blanks. And go a bit faster, even at the cost of visibility.
子供の頃に、パイロットの腕が対等で一対一なら、
日本の「ゼロ戦」は格闘戦で負ける戦闘機じゃなかった、と教わって、
私はどこか、それを誇りに思って生きてきたかもしれません。
こんなショーに隷属させられる零戦を、もし靖国に眠る英霊が見たらどう思うのでしょうか。
昔の日本帝国軍機がアメリカにあるって何とも言えない感じだな・・・
いいんだよ…日本は雨風に晒して駄目にしたり、血迷って両翼をぶった切ったりするから…
@MITSUKO SAWADA 何だコイツーｗｗ
こーゆーやつ自分のコメントにコウモリの様に湧くけどｷｼｮｲｗ
ゼロのカモだったf4f ﾜｲﾙﾄﾞｷｬｯﾄを出せよ。
Hellcat slaughtered A6M
Not to mention that by then the vast majority of the experienced Japanese pilots were dead and the pilots they had were poorly and hastily trained unlike their earlier counterparts.
+carlAstron BULLSHIT
Risien Could match hellcat, Pilots gift...
撃墜バッチ（笑）
ugly but still killed zeros
グラマン・ヘルキャットは３０機も撃墜してるじゃないか。まぁアメリカンジョークだろうけど。日本でのショーならゼロ戦には６０個位撃墜マークつけてやりたいなー。アメリカのショーだからしょうがないね。
流石に60個は付け過ぎだろw
los mejores pilotos eran los japoneses.
lol so scripted lol hahaha the zero is more manuverable sorry for the spelling
Certainly, the Hellcat is one of the uglyest fuselage shaped plane of the WWII, besides the Wildcat, Tigercat, Brewster Buffalo and the P-47, perhaps due to acomplish their crescent search for performance, adopting even more (large and heavy) engine power, to compensate poor aerodynamics (!),, another example is the soviet LA-5 and LA-7, by the same adopted solutions...
No, it's one of the cutest WW2 Plane ever flown.
also it can do multi role task, not just as a fighter
The Hellcat is a damn good looking plane! One of the best looking planes of WWII. Radial engine was a success for good reason!
The Hellcat is one of the best looking planes from it's best views, which is most of them. A little known fact is that the F6F Hellcat is in some important respects the largest single engine fighter of the war, yes, even over the P-47 Thunderbolt. It can take on a bit of a broadside look from close up. When you really study the length of that fuselage spine, with those great lines and the tail feathers it checks out as having classically good looking shapes and proportions. Tell Steve at Chino, we think the Hellcat should always be counted as one the more glamorous and nostalgic fighters of the 1940's!