"Ditching my single wall tents!? here's why.."
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- I can't continue using single wall tents anymore because I'm sick of the level of condensation build up with the tents.
It's not only the tent that gets wet with the condensation it's my sleeping bags, sleeping mats and clothes.
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CONDENSATION: can be bad in all camping tents small or large, But one or two man single wall tents seen to be the Worst.
#naturehike #tagar2 #badBadcondensationtent #Englishwoodsman #2mantent
I did something within this video can you SPOT IT? 🤔🤔
Put your bag in the tent then went back to open the doors and there was your bag !!! Also what is the vegetable area of a tent ???
You did the okikoki and your turned around
Hi Dan, I personally have got on with single wall tents, yes you do get some condensation but for me it's not been a huge problem. I used to have a 3ful 1 person tent but it got torn with some wind so at the moment I'm using a tarp.
Just can't beat a single wall tarp Dan .. lol. Bushyboy Oz
@@jamesdobson5022 He said vestibule
I have a Taga 2 and it's a fantastic tent. For the money it is about the lightest tent in its class. I've used it in the height of summer and remained cool. Camped in storms and it's been perfectly waterproof.
Of course there is condensation, but I pitch late and leave early. I also have the door open until I'm ready to sleep, so in the morning what little condensation there is mostly drys out in the time it takes to make and eat breakfast, and a quick wipe with a microfibre drys up any excess moisture.
For hiking and wildcamping a bit of moisture management is a small price to pay when the equivalent double skin (Naturehike) tent is almost 1kg heavier
THIS!!! i`ve got a tagar 2 like in this video and it`s a FAR superior tent than my cloud peak 2 that everyone raves on about . if i had to sell one the tagar 2 would stay
You are spot on with the observation there is no no1 all around tent. Those who camp in different conditions and circumstances need options.
This is the reason why I love my fishing brolly system as it has a thing called a vapour guard in the roof in side
My 'go-to' is my Helsdon Hammock tent with a tarp over the top to make a nice vestibule. Failing that just a tarp and if conditions require it, I add a mozzie net. Condensation is very rare in my neck of Australia but I can imagine it would be a pain. You are spot on to point out not everyone has the problem. Shows how international your channel has become and how we need to operate to local conditions. Were I to come to the UK I would be taking my direction from someone like you with reliable local knowledge. When I camped in the US you can bet your life I took solid advice regarding bears and cooking in camp! We don't have that problem Downunder, either.
Might I suggest that instead of doing a give away, you sell the tents and donate the proceedings to your local mountain rescue team? With wild, stealth and ultralite camping becoming more popular, especially with inexperienced creators on YT, the emergency services are being stretched more than ever. A few extra quid would be very welcome in the summer months.
I agree totally, also when windy, it rains inside. There's a dew point, when it gets to that temp, water in the atmosphere condenses into water. I got soaked once in a hammock, water condensed on everything except my skin. 2 walled tent for me unless in a hammock.
MSR Hubba NX is good for coping with condensation. I’ve heard burning a small UCO candle lantern at night drives off the moisture too.
Dan, I have a Lightwave Sigma, a single walled tent made of a special, carbon impregnated, breathable fabric, which allows condensation to pass out through the tent walls. It's not a cheap option, but pretty good and very light.
I also like the Phoxx 2. Great tent and very reliable in many ways.
I avoided them for a while. Then I picked up a Vik 1 and took it out in really damp conditions. It wasn't as horrible as I thought it would be. I love the tent. For the next time I go out in damp conditions, I'll try out the 3FUL tyvek quilt/bag protector to see if it'll help with my quilt getting soaked. The UCO candle lantern helped burn off the humidity in the tent when I was cooking in it. I keep a microfiber cloth nearby to wipe down the walls.
I just got the vik 2 it's no to bad
I really did like the look of the Hyena II that you used a week or 2 ago. Any plans for a full review? Another great video by the way 😃
I totally agree with you. For me the closest thing for the perfect tent is the Cloud Peak 2. Granted it can be slightly heavier than the others but I’m wild camping not through hiking.
the "T" door version maybe , i`ve got the newer version and it`s ruddy awful , whoever thought an oval door that rolls up downwards towards the floor was a good idea?? , and that top hat thing flaps like a twat in the slightest breeze (literally just off a camp with it on Dartmoor last night)
@@waynus2021 😂😂😂
Even using upper-end tents with rain flies, I had condensation problems while camping in the Northeastern United States. We did multi-day camps, often in damp or wet weather. It was not always possible to dry bedding each day. Too often, wind and wet combined to press the fly and the tent wall together, blocking evaporative air flow.
Or so condensation happens In the USA as well
look forward to the next one dan
Truth is my go to tent is the phoxx 2v2 i bought a new one last month and now the fly sheet is joined to the inner, so no more problems pitching up the tent in the rain and where the poles sit in they have added some adjusters that you can slacken off to get your poles in easier and then tighten up, they've made a great tent even better.
Phoxx 2v2 is a good tent
Wow, had no idea they'd changed it. Would have expected upgrades like that to be released with a new model. Might have to buy a new one now too!
Condensation does my head in too. I bought a pc fan with usb connector with plans on making a mini ac system run from a battery charger for my tents but I threw fans in a box up at my storage unit 😂.
I just got the OneTigris Conifer T/C it’s not the lightest of tents but it’s breathable canvas, only used it once since I got it so I’m looking forward to testing it out more, I hope you find a solution 😀😀
I don't blame you buddy. Single wall tents in the UK are as silly as tents that have to have their inner pitched up first.
I don't mind inner pitched first tent
@@englishwoodsmanI do when it's peeing it down or windy which it often is in the UK. Stupid idea for the UK.
@@Adventures_with_Sog each to their own mate
@@Adventures_with_Sog hmmm 👍
Totally agree 👍
I live around the equator and love camping. I find double wall tent can to get too hot during the day and night.
I think the problem is a single-wall tent with a sewn-in groundsheet. My MLD Duomid if floorless. It suffers from condensation but generally it rolls down the steep walls and drips harmlessly to the ground. If it's windy I will get some condensation spray but then I use a bivvy bag. On a quiet night I have a one-person bathtub groundsheet which stops my pad sliding around in the night, meaning my sleeping bag rarely touches the tent walls. If I'm concerned about that I put the toe of my bag into my rain jacket to protect the bag.
Hi Dan never been a fan of any single wall tents to be fair but I’m sure there is something out there that must be better than what you’ve tried so far hopefully you find what your looking for me myself just use a fishing bivvy from go outdoors lakeside 2 man and it’s served me well probs a bit too heavy for your needs as wouldn’t like to carry it too far cheers for the video mate take care 👍👌❤️
Out of my many tents, my green 210T Naturehike Mongar 2 is my favourite for backpacking, I’ve recently found out F3UL do a 4 season inner that fits it perfect, too.
Just bought a Mongar 2 in the lighter green (20D) for summer to supplement the Phoxx 2, so the whole family can go out in two tents, I would be interested to see about the 3FUL inner option for later in the year if you have a link please?
I use mine as a bedroom in my camper van awning. I do leave the door open and just zip the fly sheet up.
Thanks Dan. U didn't have to do, a hole video. To answer my question. Lol. Just kidding of course. But ya. I think, here in Southern Ontario. It is humid, in the summer. But winter, maybe the only time. I can use my, Naturehike tent. Thanks for the vid mate. Cheers 🍻
There are bags of silica gel for absorbing condensation and dehumidifying a car windscreen. They might be too small to make an impact in a tent but might be worth a test.
it is one of the main reasons i prefer to hammock camp .. but i must say my goto tent would be vango banshee2 ....
hammocks on the top of Dartmoor could be tricky 🤣🤣 , fully with you on the banshee though 👍👍 , my trusty old 300 is STILL my "go to" tent
I hear what you are saying I ditched my single wall tent years ago for two main reasons condensation the main one and no ventilation Here in Australia we have a verry high humidity so a high condensation rate Consequence you wake in the morning wet or at verry least damp and because of ventilation humidity and breathing moist air causes masive headaches
Stopped making them now, but my old duolite 2 has a outer pitch first, making it possible to become a single skin/tarp tent.
Lovin the videos
Thank you
Mate I jacked them in years ago, best tent I've ever had was a 2 man eurohike dlx.....had it pitched for 6 months down Weymouth and not one leak in them storms we had in 2020....did not budge either. Paid £40 for it from millets on offer. Just ordered another one from them. They do a 3 an 4 as well!
Never thought I’d say it but Nature hike Star river 2 man tent seems to work for me. Not perfect, but good enough and versatile enough for almost all occasions (walking, and bike tours) especially for the price
I think I have that tent
It would be good to hear your thoughts on the tarptent notch
Well done well done
Snugpak tents best for me so far.
The Scorpion 2 is a good one for solo camping.. Not cheap but last years good for all weather conditions here in the UK.
100% Agree with you Dan on this, single wall tents are 💩
Dan...no matter if its Dartmoor or Mauritius .....
No Matter what brand or how much...
Snorkel and Umbrella required.
Always hoping for Sun the next day to dry off.
👍👍
I doubt it would do you Dan, filming and comfort wise. but a snugpak Ionisphere ticks most box's for me.
the flysheet is tiny, which means less surface area for condensation to latch onto.
its pretty long so footbox of sleeping bag is in no danger of rubbing against the tent walls. its low profile, stealthy.
but that means uncomfortable.
you just can't have all ways I suppose.
Airflow is the key. I have 2 or 3 single skin tents and use them without a problem. Maybe its the different environment on the coast?
been using the SnugPak ionsphere for a few years now and never had a problem with condensation. Also have a canvas bivi bag which is brilliant but haevy and only really use it when car camping.
The only way to avoid condensation in a tent overnight is airflow so if your scared of the dark and need all the doors and window vents closed, then your stuffed, I always leave a door open or at the very least, in the coldest weather a door unzipped. So I'll happily take one of your single walled tents as IMHO there ideal for 3 season UK camping
Our single walled tent we use for the beach so still in use light weight and durable.
THANKS
Thank you for watching
Hi, from Brisbane. Maybe single wall tents work okay when people are camping high up, but in a forest, where there is no breeze at night there's always condensation.
The helm 1 compact is a brilliant tent, just a tad heavy, but that's it's only Achilles heel.
I will take a look thank you
Helm 1 great little tent and the zephros 1
Cloud peak 2, used for bad weather, wild country helm 1 for hikes, phoxx1 stealth camp and woodland, ferrino sling one, coastline walks summer camp.
i just don`t get the hype for the CP2?? i bought into the hype and i hate the thing , i`d rather use my 12 year old banshee
The perfect tent is a hotel room with a bar 🤣 There's nothing worse than being in a tent that rains on you when the wind flaps it. I've got a backwoods bungalow 2.0 and that seems to be okay however there's so much ventilation you may as well be outside.
Forclaz trek 500 2 man tent, not the lightest tent but it’s freestanding and an absolute beast in my opinion.
I’ve been out in really heavy rain and severe wind it’s held up to it all I was really impressed for the price I paid £89 it’s now gone up to £120
I think the Helm 2 is best all value tent ever.
I will take a look
Another vote for the Helm compact 2....great tent
I don't blame you, I wouldn't give any single wall tents house room!
Have you tried damp rid it really works
I wont be buying that tent then i was wanting to try it out but after seeing this video il give it a miss me been a rather large bloke il end up sleeping in a pond lol 😂
The Naturehike Mongar 2 is an awesome tent. Lots of room, but not super lightweight.
I got one and it is really good with no condensation
Buy a Tyvek bivvy bag use it in single wall tents, I use one with my Lunar solo, my other tents are double walled.
Hay Dan.
Did get my last comment?? You were looking for a lightweight tent for hiking well so was I. I’ve found out that our hot tents from one tigress that is the first one that I sore you use is only 1.9kg. So I was thinking if we leave the pole out and use a trekking pole or cut a piece of wood that would take the weight down a bit and make it easier to back the tent in your pack. What do you think 👍👍👍👍
Dude have people do a video response for give aways. If they are serious post a video saying they'd like the giveaway then post the link in your comments. But yeah I agree. Will always love my first tent cos it got me into camping quicker but I'd always wake up damp from peeing the bed. Cough. I mean condensation
single walls have their place but its for the hardcore bunch tbh, I use a voyager 2 and a soulo black for winter, in summer i use an army bivvy or lanshan 2 pro, i live in lakes cumbria
Oex Bobcat my go to tent ⛺️
Bobcat good tent just small inside
I would use a waterproof bivvy and put my sleeping bag within the bivvy, especially if it is down bag. That will protect the bag from getting damp because of condensation. Any electrical items should be in a waterproof bag
Done all that mate
Yes but this defeats the object of a single walled tent that are made to be lightweight. If you're carrying the extra weight of a bivvy bag just so you don't get wet inside your tent, you may as well use a double walled tent. I'd only use a bivvy bag by itself, or under a tarp
Carinthia Observer plus would be my go to tent when alone.
I will take a look thank you
The observer is about £900
The only single walled tents that are worth using are made out of canvas. They’re breathable as well as waterproof. Albeit heavy.
I have used single walled 50 years ago. Try putting a tarpaulin over the top might help.
Condensation happens mostly due to the outside temperature, being different from internal temperatures. Its usually colder outside than in the tent. We createte this as we breath it clings tothe tent fabric and forms water or a mist condenstion.
Hope that helps.
Best tent i have bar none is an a frame tent sadly no longer made. Was a blacks good companions major its 50 years old. Okay for car camping but not hiking. I much prefer this modern type tents that are fiddley. Very bSic no frolls.
I do have a cheap modern tent, from asda or tescos quite light really cost £25.00 not bad but fiddley..
Hope it helps
no its not use your eyes don't just repeat like a parot !
the advantage of a single skin tent is a weight loss , not much point if you need to carry an additional tarp is there?
on the rare occasion that im not using a hammock and tarp, my go to tent would be my robens challenger ii
Thank you for watching
Btw whats the point in toggle if you closed it when you were in it
All that you need is a simple battery fan an just let it run😊
Had one in the 70s. Not good in wet conditions
To stop condensation try cat litter in an old sock
Do they not fo breathable single skin tents,? I bought one in the 80s,made by ultimate, single hoop,removable groundsheet,
It was bright pink and yellow tho
It was breathable
How are the ribs mate ?
The Wild country helm 2 compact
100% agree, single wall tents suck. ✌️
NatureHike Cloud Trace (Ultralight Backpacking Double Wall Ten)
best tent I've used so far
You have to zip up keeps the snakes out😊
If you're worried about condensation on your sleeping bag just use a bivvi bag
I just wrote on your page condensation is why i won't buy a single wall tent.
fair doos dan - do what works for you :)
What bag are you using there?
DD hammock
@@englishwoodsman ah yes
Helm 2 compact, ticks all my boxes.
Did you say single wall tent ?
The better single-wall tents have mesh around the whole floor
Akto is perfect
🙂🤔😎👍
I don’t blame you Dan for getting rid of your single wall tents there not the best stick to what you know Dan
I never fell for the modern single skin scam myself, I think people looking to USA for kit advice initially were bamboozled by the weight savings. Then a select few influential channels promoted the idea. Not a UK thing.
Spot on mate. US hiking and UK are totally different animals and I find most US tent stuff totally inappropriate for the UK. Terra Nova, Hille, Robens, Lightwave, F10 etc......that's where it's at. IMHO the US stuff is airy but nowhere near as robust. Scarp and some MSR being the exception
Tager 2 not Tiger 2 ?
A tent that is waterproof, has no condensation, has two doors, has Y2K zippers and has a colour that blends with the surroundings in the woods is perfect.
Kombat UK 2 man cadet tent is prettt good if you have another tarp to go over top, i tried last weekend and was great success in the rain and the sun
This Tent is waterproof
I will take a look
Y2k zippers? 🤐
@@OldNavajoTricks Yeah pre millennium zips dont work to well these days
You should grill steaks during your reviews 😊 maybe you will get free steaks😊😂
Give them away!
Kuiu mountain star 1.5 kg 2 person bullet proof
Vango banshee pro 200
Nice tent
Nortent Vern 1 👍
Has anyone ever mentioned that you’re John Moxley’s double?
No 😲
I see what your mean 😏
Do you find it hard finding content for your channel now Dan? I think you do well with different content mate, does doing you tube cause you any stress? It would me,
Why dont you set up a tarp & leave the door open or half open?
I don't see the point in buying tents then having to use a tarp.
@@englishwoodsman I dare say your right, but i have seen others put up tarps above there tents to provide a outside area to cook ect & or have a small fire as well, seems handy if its rainy, but as you say condensation is the problem. Even so hang on to the best of them & dont throw the baby out with the bathwater, a solution might be futher up the road.
@@shaungillingham4689 the whole point of a single skin is weight reduction , carrying an additional tarp is missing the point
Doesn’t the single skin have any vents?
Yes but they still get bad condensation
I had a robens starlight tent for a while as it was recommended by a relative as being simple to use and high quality, he uses his in northwestern Scotland and the Outer Hebrides, imagine my shock when it was stolen from the cargo hold of a coach going to Wales just before March 2020. Thinking of replacing it with another 😊
they have an updated version now, called the Chaser. It's about half the weight, but double the price.
i am one of those expensive equipment guys you dont like .... i probably have the biggest tent collection of any one i know of (its not a collection i use them) i got quite a few Hillebergs and Helsports and even some fjällräven and alot of other tents to and NO there is no perfect tent and even it comes to my favirite tents it depends on the situation ..... and with the single wall tents its not my thing either but there are versions that work better than others .... i have a cupple of bibler style or assult tents for mountain expedition use that are made out of event or other breateble materials they do work alot better when it comes to condensation but the material can freeze up and then the breatable material dont breath anymore so they have their flaws to i do like my hillebergs more than most my other tents but because of what they are designed to do (4 season tents) they are not the best vented tents either ..... but any tents will have condensation issues is the conditions are there for condensation to form
Wet backpack. Stopping to spreadout and dry during hike. Nope. Not worth it. For weight of a pint of water.
Simple solution, use a tarp, no tent
But people love tents mate
When the fuckin midges are about a tarp ay the best option