I remember people being so butt hurt about Death Battle's Ken vs Jotaro video. While that one did have problems, mostly with how the fight was animated, but there was plenty of research problems. However, most commentors seemed to be under the impression that the poor research meant Jotaro would win. I'm glad to see your channel doing well btw.
@@ClairvoyantDreams358 some people argue since raoh destroyed a star at his lowest (although that scene can be interpreted differently) he could be solar at full power. I personally disagree with that statement. I at max think Kenshiro is planetary
@@ryomizumi too bad he never did that to Pucci or Kira kenshiro is too powerful jagi survived his brain destroyed toki and hyoh survived their hearts, spines and lungs destroyed
@@brothersofwrath4785 pucci maked him choice his daughter or the win, and Kira could punch star platinum with killer queen, because when jotaro fighted kira, his time stop was only 0,5 seconds, but Kenshiro can't attack Jolyne, and would be unfair star platinum with his weakest version of his power
Kenshiro with just his aura alone would pretty much turn to ash Jotaro, or simply freeze his soul inducing fear into him, even if Jotaro destroys Kenshiro's heart, Kenshiro will knock down Jotaro with his aura like he did with Kaioh. Other characters from FOTNS that would beat Jotaro would be Matouki users like Kaioh, Jukei and Hyoh and Souther with his Phoenix stance and don't forget that Nanto style allows his users spam range slash attacks that would pretty much destroy jotaro.
I wanted to bring up the aura but it felt like a cop out so I didn't mention it. It is a very valid point though that could help Ken in ALOT of what if fights.
Now this is some good explanation between Kenshiro and Jotaro which I always wonder, what if they do fight against each other and pretty much Kenshiro might win. Like the dude have fought several buff guys in the series. For Jotaro, I have never seen the series (at least not yet) but with his Star Platnium I'm sure that dude can really duke it out on him. Overall, I say this is really good for analysising on Kenshiro vs Jotaro. Hopefully you do make it to 400 subscribers before new years
I almost gave a section to star platnium OH against MT Ken but since it's not Canon I went against it. Its rough but pretty much in short, Whoever hits whoever first wins in that scenario.
5:15 non stand users can't hurt stands let alone move them out the way not saying that's a reason jotero wins you gave alot of insight to me on what kenshiro can do but he simply wouldn't be able to hurt jotero via star platinum or move star
I believe this non stand users can't hurt stands thing has been disproven before but even if we're including that Ken by definition has had a stand before.
Idk Star's strength has a limit, if you were to overcome Star's strength you should be able to move it, a range attack from Ken for example can have anywhere from 1-100 megatones (or more) of power and enough kinetic energy as to destroy a storm, Star lacks the power to stop that, if Star were to stand infront of that it would be blown away, granted it may not be damaged but the force is still there and it can not counter it,
@@JR_22A I'm going based off the lore only stands can hurt/interact with other stands best he can do is defend against star but either way he still wins
You said that the rest of the FOTNS cast wouldn't be able to compete with Jotaro, but what about Rei's style? It's mentioned that it cuts at molecular level, can Rei not slice Star Platinum or just not see the stand at all
I said they'd find it difficult to deal with him not that they'd be straight up unable to compete. It's mainly just because of the world. If it's just a straight fight jotaro would get washed by a good chunk of them but with the world as a back up it be hard for them to deal with it. Also I don't doubt rei could cut star platinum extremely deep or even that he couldn't see jotaros stand (since he saw raohs aura so atleast he could vaguely see star platnium) but it's definitely not as clear cut with anyone else is it is for Ken and raoh
Generally speaking against anyone from fonts 1 other than kenshiro and raoh star platinum straight up act as a shield against, since only stands can harm stands. Star platinum is faster than light, while most fist of the North star 1 characters are faster than sound at best. The only counterarguments I've seen to why fist characters could harm star platinum amount to "toki is made of the same thing" but across different universes the functionality os extremely different. It's hypothetically possible that toki could hurt stands, but unless the creators made an official crossover it can't be said for sure. If we go in accordance to how the power systems are described to the letter only musou tense users could hope to win against Jojo characters especially ones with time space powers.
@HORROR-vt1gm if it's MT raoh, raoh wins. If it's without, he can beat jotaro until he uses the world. Then he could most likely stop his heart or just grab something through him to stop him if needed. You can argue that afterimages could counter this as they'd by enough time that the world's timestop would end but I doubt raoh would just do that unprompted/without already seeing that technique.
I always wonder what Kenshiro's stand or the Hokuto god of war can do. Also how do you think Kenshiro would fair in the mortal kombat verse. Also what you think would happen if Kenshiro and Guts were to meet.
I don't think mortal Kombat characters would stand much of a chance against him. As for if Ken met guts i....I haven't read berserk yet so I can't tell u XD
@@Mczprosvids I don't know why but I picture Shinnok frothing in rage once Hokuto Shinken's brought up. Shang Tsung: Your soul is mine. Kenshiro: No you. Shang Tsung: Wha-*Kenshiro ATATATA Rush into his face*
If Kenshiro and Guts met, they would do the bro handshake from Predator, and Kenshiro would wipe out the the Apostles, the God Hand, and the Idea of Evil right after healing Guts' soul.
Funny thing is... Ken can no problem tank the heart grab....Sachi impaled Kyoh through the middle of the back (so spine, lungs and the heart) with his open hand, his five fingers where poking out of Kyoh's sternum, guest what happen to Kyoh.... he survived... not only that he survived for hours and when on to destroy an army of ultra warriors in the process getting several stabs, slashes and arrows to the body....he also survived that and carried on to where Ken was fighting talked to him and only then he let himself die.... that is the level of stupid op that the series operates at. Most Jojo fans use the heart grab as their ultimate trump card when in realityis never actually used and wouldn't even face Ken.
That's a great point tbh. I hadn't even thought of that but yea. Base Ken by the end of the show is so strong its hard to list alot of the bazillion things he can do
Jojo and Goku can't do the ultimate if they being touched Even if they know about kenshiro , he will touch them no matter what , so when he touches Goku , Goku would have not the time to destroy the planet , and jojo when he uses his ultimate He will die suddenly
@@JamKyt9 Yeah but.... Hanged's AP would be a joke for Jagi, like what can it do ? stab him... ?.... as if that would work...Jagi should be close to relativistic (maybe FTL since mid rank people in HnK were FTL) and at least country in durability, not to mention that Hanged needs reflective surfaces to work, J Geil would drop unconscious from exhaustion before Hanged could do any damage to Jagi. As always Jagi is the lowest most trash user of Hokuto Shinken, he doesn't win by being a better fighter, being more skilled, having hax, having better IQ, etc.... he wins by being too tough for Hanged to kill.....
Thanks for making this. I never watched JoJo because I am an old head and I grew up on FOTNS. Kenshiro is just the ultimate badass whos power knows no limits, I prefer the ATATATATATA over the ORAORAORAORAORA any day.
*hears a nerd who likes “insert said anime” explain how “insert protagonist of said anime” can beat Kenshiro* Me: & this is why I never get involved with Anime character debates… ffs unless you’re Beerus or Saitama, nobody is beating Kenshiro. (Don’t actually make a video on Kenshiro vs either of those two)
@@Mczprosvids yeah, anime debates aren’t really my thing tbh. & when it comes to debates related to Fist of the North Star… unless you’re god or an early 80s gag manga character, you won’t beat Kenshiro. (Unrelated, but FOTNS: Lost Paradise is a great game that mixes Hokuto No Ken perfectly with the flow of most Ryu Ga Gotoku/Yakuza games)
If that was Canon could Possibly agree....Reality powers are finicky. Dios overpowered giornos even though they supposedly have the same power but stronger. Nobody knows how strong kens reality abilities are so it might not effect him. And kens ignored reality warping attacks/effects before
Time stop. Star finger to the heart while ken is defenseless. Also, saying musou tensei hard counters star platinum: The world's time stop by bringing up a possibility, isn't particularly fair in the hypothetical.based on what we know about the characters, and what we know musou tensei jotaro could easily take this if he presses the advantage early. before kenshiro would even know to use it. I do think ken wins 6.5/10 though
i also forgot to mention: Stands are also intangible, and behave in jjba in a similar degree to musou tensei in regards to non stand users, so we can either go: Stands can hit muso tensei users and vice versa, Or neither can harm the other whatsoever.
The only way jotaro would immediatly win in timestop is the heart thing, jotaro hasn't shown himself to do enough damage to kill someone like Ken before TS ends, star finger doesn't compare to nanto which can slice people's cells the technique most likely isn't piercing him, afterwards ken would most likely enter MT immediatly due to fighting another reality warping character. Outside of TS jotaro doesn't have anything impressive enough to press kenshiro with. And jotaro timestop gripping someones heart immediatly in general would be VERY out of character for him to attempt to do.
@@johnathonrouse7581 Touki in HNK are by definition what stands are, a physical version of your fighting spirit just its in aura form instead of it being a physical thing (which it was once in the kaioh fight and raohs aura hurts rei when hes first introduced), in a sense every hnk character would be a stand since they all have toki, They'd be able to hit them. Then there's a factor I didn't acknowledge here I bring up in my other video on this, Ken learns every hokuto technique at the end of HNK 2, which would mean he'd learn soryu tenha, which would delete jotaros stand
@@Mczprosvids the way that stands work is that only other stands qre able to harm them. If we want to say that Musou tense stops stand users due to the exact wording of its mechanics we have to be fair and say jotaro has a lightspeed shield that can just shrug off whatever kenshiro can do for the exact same reason.
@@johnathonrouse7581 if we are going to extremes kens aura alone kills jotaro from being near him, the only reason no one in jojo can hit a stand is because there's no one with anything like Touki in the show since they abandoned any fist fighting, the only reason stands can hit other stands is because there the same thing, by definition of a stand touki makes any hnk character like a stand. It be similar if joseph wrapped his entire body in hermit purple then started punching a stand, it would hit them. Hans fist was lightspeed too and he's the weakest main villian of hnk2, star platinums punching speed isn't super insane in hnks world, and muso tensei stops anything that's not in muso tensei that's just how it works I just used what was said and described in the show, the only other definition I can use is the kens rage one, which would mean star platniums arms would literally disappear the second he hits ken
I remember people being so butt hurt about Death Battle's Ken vs Jotaro video. While that one did have problems, mostly with how the fight was animated, but there was plenty of research problems. However, most commentors seemed to be under the impression that the poor research meant Jotaro would win.
I'm glad to see your channel doing well btw.
Kenshiro stomps. That's it. The man is low balled continental and high balled solar. Jotaro stands 0 chance
How is he solar highballed? I could understand maybe planetary but when did he perform something that strong?
@@ClairvoyantDreams358 some people argue since raoh destroyed a star at his lowest (although that scene can be interpreted differently) he could be solar at full power. I personally disagree with that statement. I at max think Kenshiro is planetary
@@exbelleenthusiast2315 I see
@@ClairvoyantDreams358 a dying falco caused (albeit indirectly) a star to explode in manga
Kenshiro could strike the pressure points in Jotaro’s arms and he wouldn’t even be able to punch anymore
But are we going to ignore jotaro ripping out kenshiros heart
@@ryomizumi too bad he never did that to Pucci or Kira
kenshiro is too powerful
jagi survived his brain destroyed
toki and hyoh survived their hearts, spines and lungs destroyed
@@brothersofwrath4785 pucci maked him choice his daughter or the win, and Kira could punch star platinum with killer queen, because when jotaro fighted kira, his time stop was only 0,5 seconds, but Kenshiro can't attack Jolyne, and would be unfair star platinum with his weakest version of his power
@@Le_C4smicc & Jotaro wouldn't know which of the MT hundreds of Kenshiro is the legit one. Only Jotaro over heaven beats Kenshiro
@@blaykay-4797 soryu tenra
Kenshiro with just his aura alone would pretty much turn to ash Jotaro, or simply freeze his soul inducing fear into him, even if Jotaro destroys Kenshiro's heart, Kenshiro will knock down Jotaro with his aura like he did with Kaioh.
Other characters from FOTNS that would beat Jotaro would be Matouki users like Kaioh, Jukei and Hyoh and Souther with his Phoenix stance and don't forget that Nanto style allows his users spam range slash attacks that would pretty much destroy jotaro.
I wanted to bring up the aura but it felt like a cop out so I didn't mention it. It is a very valid point though that could help Ken in ALOT of what if fights.
And at worst cases he have muso tensei
Now this is some good explanation between Kenshiro and Jotaro which I always wonder, what if they do fight against each other and pretty much Kenshiro might win. Like the dude have fought several buff guys in the series. For Jotaro, I have never seen the series (at least not yet) but with his Star Platnium I'm sure that dude can really duke it out on him. Overall, I say this is really good for analysising on Kenshiro vs Jotaro. Hopefully you do make it to 400 subscribers before new years
Kenshiro is such a op hax based character. I don't think jotaro over heaven can beat him
I almost gave a section to star platnium OH against MT Ken but since it's not Canon I went against it. Its rough but pretty much in short, Whoever hits whoever first wins in that scenario.
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I find it funny how Fons has Such absurd hax rejection it's almost like Dbz
MT is cannon but the fact that he can erase people from existence is not cannon
@@RANDOMMMSSS It is canon
Bro said star finger was jotaro only technique
Then shows kenshiro techniques cracked me up
外国人の君たちに言ってもわからんだろうし、互いの予備知識と承太郎の作戦次第だが、
「やっぱり、学生か。学生は教室へ行け！」
ワールドとオラオラ。一回は食らってあげるが、北斗神拳奥義転龍呼吸法。時間を止めようが肉体が鋼鉄なので本当の意味で無駄無駄です。
それから、北斗神拳には見切りがあるので二回目は通用しません。
すでに近距離パワー型とスタンドの謎を見切ったので、北斗神拳奥義水影心の南斗紅鶴拳伝衝裂波でスタンドではなく承太郎を遠隔攻撃。
見せ場となる
オラオラオラオラとあたたたたた
「どうした、時間を止めるんじゃなかったのか。」
すでに秘孔を突かれスタンドを出せなくなった承太郎は翼をもがれ、ただの詰襟の学生にすぎません。
「まともに勉強するんだな。それだけの頭は残してある。」
北斗びいきでごめんなさい。ジョジョも好きです、3部までね。失礼いたしました。
Hokuto Shinken is the Fist of the Battlefield after all, for it’s potential to be known for its infinite fighting variations.
not to mention that hokuto no ken characters can infuse objects with ki/chi aura
stands are defined as auras by Joseph Joestar
5:15 non stand users can't hurt stands let alone move them out the way not saying that's a reason jotero wins you gave alot of insight to me on what kenshiro can do but he simply wouldn't be able to hurt jotero via star platinum or move star
I believe this non stand users can't hurt stands thing has been disproven before but even if we're including that Ken by definition has had a stand before.
Idk Star's strength has a limit, if you were to overcome Star's strength you should be able to move it, a range attack from Ken for example can have anywhere from 1-100 megatones (or more) of power and enough kinetic energy as to destroy a storm, Star lacks the power to stop that, if Star were to stand infront of that it would be blown away, granted it may not be damaged but the force is still there and it can not counter it,
@@JR_22A I'm going based off the lore only stands can hurt/interact with other stands best he can do is defend against star but either way he still wins
@@JR_22A stand straight only matters in stand battle and even then it's stated star platinum is the "strangest" stand in power
You said that the rest of the FOTNS cast wouldn't be able to compete with Jotaro, but what about Rei's style? It's mentioned that it cuts at molecular level, can Rei not slice Star Platinum or just not see the stand at all
I said they'd find it difficult to deal with him not that they'd be straight up unable to compete. It's mainly just because of the world. If it's just a straight fight jotaro would get washed by a good chunk of them but with the world as a back up it be hard for them to deal with it. Also I don't doubt rei could cut star platinum extremely deep or even that he couldn't see jotaros stand (since he saw raohs aura so atleast he could vaguely see star platnium) but it's definitely not as clear cut with anyone else is it is for Ken and raoh
Generally speaking against anyone from fonts 1 other than kenshiro and raoh star platinum straight up act as a shield against, since only stands can harm stands. Star platinum is faster than light, while most fist of the North star 1 characters are faster than sound at best.
The only counterarguments I've seen to why fist characters could harm star platinum amount to "toki is made of the same thing" but across different universes the functionality os extremely different. It's hypothetically possible that toki could hurt stands, but unless the creators made an official crossover it can't be said for sure.
If we go in accordance to how the power systems are described to the letter only musou tense users could hope to win against Jojo characters especially ones with time space powers.
@@Mczprosvids you say that raoh dont have a chance against jotaro?
@HORROR-vt1gm if it's MT raoh, raoh wins. If it's without, he can beat jotaro until he uses the world. Then he could most likely stop his heart or just grab something through him to stop him if needed. You can argue that afterimages could counter this as they'd by enough time that the world's timestop would end but I doubt raoh would just do that unprompted/without already seeing that technique.
I always wonder what Kenshiro's stand or the Hokuto god of war can do.
Also how do you think Kenshiro would fair in the mortal kombat verse.
Also what you think would happen if Kenshiro and Guts were to meet.
I don't think mortal Kombat characters would stand much of a chance against him.
As for if Ken met guts i....I haven't read berserk yet so I can't tell u XD
@@Mczprosvids I don't know why but I picture Shinnok frothing in rage once Hokuto Shinken's brought up.
Shang Tsung: Your soul is mine.
Kenshiro: No you.
Shang Tsung: Wha-*Kenshiro ATATATA Rush into his face*
If Kenshiro and Guts met, they would do the bro handshake from Predator, and Kenshiro would wipe out the the Apostles, the God Hand, and the Idea of Evil right after healing Guts' soul.
@@MczprosvidsAny chance we could still get a video on Ken vs Mortal Kombat?
@etrangray-mane8610 I think even Jagi would be too much for most MK characters.
Funny thing is... Ken can no problem tank the heart grab....Sachi impaled Kyoh through the middle of the back (so spine, lungs and the heart) with his open hand, his five fingers where poking out of Kyoh's sternum, guest what happen to Kyoh.... he survived... not only that he survived for hours and when on to destroy an army of ultra warriors in the process getting several stabs, slashes and arrows to the body....he also survived that and carried on to where Ken was fighting talked to him and only then he let himself die.... that is the level of stupid op that the series operates at.
Most Jojo fans use the heart grab as their ultimate trump card when in realityis never actually used and wouldn't even face Ken.
That's a great point tbh. I hadn't even thought of that but yea. Base Ken by the end of the show is so strong its hard to list alot of the bazillion things he can do
@@Mczprosvids let's also not forget how Kenshiro regenerated from Souther slicing his chest open.
@Kostre Loiy the other way around
Jojo and Goku can't do the ultimate if they being touched Even if they know about kenshiro , he will touch them no matter what , so when he touches Goku , Goku would have not the time to destroy the planet , and jojo when he uses his ultimate He will die suddenly
Would you ever talk about Jagi vs J Geil?
It's possible, I'll look into it
Actually nvm it's not really worth it since Jagis only nuke tier while J Geil was ftl with hangman
@@JamKyt9 Yeah but.... Hanged's AP would be a joke for Jagi, like what can it do ? stab him... ?.... as if that would work...Jagi should be close to relativistic (maybe FTL since mid rank people in HnK were FTL) and at least country in durability, not to mention that Hanged needs reflective surfaces to work, J Geil would drop unconscious from exhaustion before Hanged could do any damage to Jagi.
As always Jagi is the lowest most trash user of Hokuto Shinken, he doesn't win by being a better fighter, being more skilled, having hax, having better IQ, etc.... he wins by being too tough for Hanged to kill.....
@@JR_22A True it's also Geils stand that is ftl, not him so Jagi could just walk up to him and shoot him
Thanks for making this. I never watched JoJo because I am an old head and I grew up on FOTNS. Kenshiro is just the ultimate badass whos power knows no limits, I prefer the ATATATATATA over the ORAORAORAORAORA any day.
I feel the same XD. Alotta times I watched jojo I made me wish there was a hnk remake
You are aware that JoJo, like HNK, is old school (1987) right?
Old Head? Uh JoJo came out only a few years after Hokuto No Ken lol not much of a time gap
@@Mczprosvids I want a HNK Remake real bad
Other JoJo characters can easily beat Kenshiro
Kenshiro puts a BEATING on Jotaro 😭
Great video man
Thanks!
*hears a nerd who likes “insert said anime” explain how “insert protagonist of said anime” can beat Kenshiro*
Me: & this is why I never get involved with Anime character debates… ffs unless you’re Beerus or Saitama, nobody is beating Kenshiro.
(Don’t actually make a video on Kenshiro vs either of those two)
Yea some of those vs debates I hear around are just straight ridiculous
@@Mczprosvids yeah, anime debates aren’t really my thing tbh. & when it comes to debates related to Fist of the North Star… unless you’re god or an early 80s gag manga character, you won’t beat Kenshiro.
(Unrelated, but FOTNS: Lost Paradise is a great game that mixes Hokuto No Ken perfectly with the flow of most Ryu Ga Gotoku/Yakuza games)
Good video btw
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Jotaro Will win .I mean he can literally rewrite reality (over heaven)
If that was Canon could Possibly agree....Reality powers are finicky. Dios overpowered giornos even though they supposedly have the same power but stronger. Nobody knows how strong kens reality abilities are so it might not effect him. And kens ignored reality warping attacks/effects before
not canon
retconned
soryu tenra destroys
Time stop.
Star finger to the heart while ken is defenseless.
Also, saying musou tensei hard counters star platinum: The world's time stop by bringing up a possibility, isn't particularly fair in the hypothetical.based on what we know about the characters, and what we know musou tensei jotaro could easily take this if he presses the advantage early. before kenshiro would even know to use it. I do think ken wins 6.5/10 though
i also forgot to mention: Stands are also intangible, and behave in jjba in a similar degree to musou tensei in regards to non stand users, so we can either go: Stands can hit muso tensei users and vice versa, Or neither can harm the other whatsoever.
The only way jotaro would immediatly win in timestop is the heart thing, jotaro hasn't shown himself to do enough damage to kill someone like Ken before TS ends, star finger doesn't compare to nanto which can slice people's cells the technique most likely isn't piercing him, afterwards ken would most likely enter MT immediatly due to fighting another reality warping character. Outside of TS jotaro doesn't have anything impressive enough to press kenshiro with. And jotaro timestop gripping someones heart immediatly in general would be VERY out of character for him to attempt to do.
@@johnathonrouse7581 Touki in HNK are by definition what stands are, a physical version of your fighting spirit just its in aura form instead of it being a physical thing (which it was once in the kaioh fight and raohs aura hurts rei when hes first introduced), in a sense every hnk character would be a stand since they all have toki, They'd be able to hit them. Then there's a factor I didn't acknowledge here I bring up in my other video on this, Ken learns every hokuto technique at the end of HNK 2, which would mean he'd learn soryu tenha, which would delete jotaros stand
@@Mczprosvids the way that stands work is that only other stands qre able to harm them. If we want to say that Musou tense stops stand users due to the exact wording of its mechanics we have to be fair and say jotaro has a lightspeed shield that can just shrug off whatever kenshiro can do for the exact same reason.
@@johnathonrouse7581 if we are going to extremes kens aura alone kills jotaro from being near him, the only reason no one in jojo can hit a stand is because there's no one with anything like Touki in the show since they abandoned any fist fighting, the only reason stands can hit other stands is because there the same thing, by definition of a stand touki makes any hnk character like a stand. It be similar if joseph wrapped his entire body in hermit purple then started punching a stand, it would hit them. Hans fist was lightspeed too and he's the weakest main villian of hnk2, star platinums punching speed isn't super insane in hnks world, and muso tensei stops anything that's not in muso tensei that's just how it works I just used what was said and described in the show, the only other definition I can use is the kens rage one, which would mean star platniums arms would literally disappear the second he hits ken