I have a taper attachment for my lathe. I have only used it once back in about 1976. Of course it is not as fancy as the one you have. Feel free to throw some ordinary everyday French in your videos, it classes them up. Thanks for the video.
cerberus Hello Harold, I was thinking of a lexical related with the machining world, a translation from French to English and the other way around, there are some French viewers that would probably like it... Have you plans to use your taper attachment? Pierre
pierre beaudry no I do not plan to use it at this time. I was making a shaft to go on a horizontal mill to run as a vertical mill. I had cast the pulleys and had made the spindle and the housing and then I got a job overseas and never did resume the project. In fact I sold the horizontal mill for scrap metal in 1984.
An alternative for those without the under-thread adjuster could be a fine threaded bolt from both sides of the taper bar, if enough room between the mahine and the attachent. When close to the required angle tighten up both studs and then the loosen one slightly and tighten the other, to make small adjustments?
Well, the good news is I found the attachment that mounts to the Ways to hold the taper in place, the bad news is the taper moves very stiffly through the cross feed which was causing my initial problem, so slowly that I have to use a wood clamp to force it through so I am concerned it will not work without pulling something out of adjustment in operation, so I will need to check the adjustments and correct as needed, but thanks again as you got me on the correct path to figuring this out. Enjoy your day. Bob
Bob Sawatsky Does this mean a dismantling job, cleaning and lubing..... ???? It can't be too stiff or you'll lose the adjustment somewhere in the process...
Hi Pierre, yes it required disassembly, at first I suspected rust build up was causing the binding, but the dovetailed guide bar that adjusts the taper has such terrible machining at both ends that it was causing it to bind, not what I was expecting for sure but it looks as though they went at it with files, not a machined finish. After removing the taper attachment I am currently dressing the faces lightly with a file and it is almost sliding freely throughout it's full range, though now I will always be concerned about how straight the cut is, though it is just at the very end so it won't have much effect, ordering a new part may be in order if getting one that's better is possible, or perhaps trying to machine a new one may be my next project. Thank you.
Glad it turns in order, you'll get a functioning tool, before ordering new parts you cold do a test cut and see about how straight it operates. Keep me posted... Pierre
No wrenches involved when doing a taper on my little lathe. :) That's a nice unit on there. I like that better than most of the others I've seen. Thanks!!
bluehandsvideo Hi Mike, Yap CNC have it's advantages, and also not that many inconvenients... lol You can do just about any shape, not just tapers. Except the maybe the tedious task of programming. Thanks for stopping by, Pierre
Pierre can you make another about how the taper attachment works without loosen the cross slide nut? Im really confusing because ive watch some homemade taper attachment and most of them need to loosen the cross slide nut.great video pierre
If you haven't seen this more recent video, you may find out more of the details you need, if not just let me know and I'll do my best to address your questions. Reference to more recent video: th-cam.com/video/BIFLzS-BmJw/w-d-xo.html Thank you for your comment, Pierre
Pierre's Garage i just watched another video thanks for all those information and your time. I was going crazy after watch adam’s monarch taper attachment video w/o knowing how it works with the cross slide nut.anyways thanks for the great explanation and no bad words. Kids do watch machining videos
Hi, I found you by accident, I’ve watch a few of your videos and found them to be very interesting with a refreshingly pleasant presentation… Eh, the accent certainly plays well with the presentation. Sorry to hear your drama with getting the necessary voltage and phase into your workshop. I would like to see a quick walk around of all your tools. It’s always interesting to see what little or over-the-top machinery home shops get equipped with. Your shop certainly looks packed with what looks like a life time of memories… cheers anyway from ‘down under’…
Thank you for sharing this, I am trying to set up the Taper Attachment that came with my Modern 14x40 and cannot find any instructions in the manual or online. I cannot get it to adjust at all, something is tight that isn't obviously able to be loosened, or it's frozen together with rust, it also has no method of connecting to the bed as you do with the articulating bolt to stop it from being carried along with the cross slide so it can work, so out to the garage to try again to figure it out. And yes I have subscribed.
Bob Sawatsky Hi Bob, first, thanks for subscribing, on the attachment you have to find out what part has to be fixed to the lathe, then you should be going... Pierre
Hi mate. Thanks for explaining that. A lot I had figured out myself, but it's good to get it confirmed. I bought a lathe with the thing hanging of it, and had no idea what it was. In retrospect, I think it's about the only thing that is sound on my machine. The only thing I'm a bit unclear about, and that is not hard to do, how can it move with the cross slide hand wheel on the other end.
Marcel Timmers The back of the cross slide is just sliding on the longitudinal bar of the taper attachment if tied up by the end rod, if not the taper attachment will carry itself with the cross slide... Hope it's made clear... Since the taper attachment isn't use often then chances of it functioning are almost 100%... :-))
pierre beaudry I did realise that, but I'm still not clear. How does the cross slide move if the hand wheel is not disengaged. Surely, the hand wheel and rod should block the travel of the cross slide? I think that I have to open it all up again, to see how it all works. Normally I'm quite good at these sorts of things, but this has me stumped.
Morris Gallo Hello Morris, you're right about the limit, it's the length of the guide bar on the TA, here we get about 12" or 30 cm. You'll rarely get to make tapers that exceeds this limit...Thanks for visiting and commenting, Pierre
I've been trying to develop a plan for TA for my lathe.... Never know when you might want to break out in a Morse ya'know... So there must be some way to disengage the crossfeed screw?? I know some have a spline connecting the CF handle to its screw... yours must have this as well?? Colin ;-)
***** Hi Colin, I'll have to investigate further to really figure how they connect the taper attachment, but the feeling is that the end of the screw is connected to the tracking block on the sliding bar of the TA. If I get into it I'll probably show it up... To be continued, after a couple of more urgent projects. So far the TA was useful a couple of times, and, with a DRO it makes it easier to set and get good accuracy. Pierre
Roger Beaulieu Allo Roger, if I totally let go on my inspiration, the channel would move from general audience to 18 and over... Not that would change a lot but certain people have sensitives ears and are easy to offend. Merci pour la visite et le commentaire, Pierre
There are two basic types of taper attachments. The regular one and the TELESCOPIC TAPER ATTACHMENT which is considered superior because you do NOT need to remove the cross slide spindle nut to use the attachment and you can still use the cross slide hand wheel to control the depth of cut while cutting the taper. Pierre's taper attachment is such a telescopic version. How does it work? Very simple: the cross slide spindle is not attached to the carriage near the hand wheel as usual but to the taper attachment slide on its other end. When you turn the spindle the cross slide is always pushed away from or drawn towards the taper attachment slide whether you use the taper attachment or not. In order to rotate the cross slide spindle from the apron side the cross slide hand wheel is not directly connected to the spindle but via a tube with a key on its inside sliding over the end of the spindle which has a key-way on its outside. That way the hand wheel can turn the spindle and still allow the spindle to move back and forth together with the taper attachment slide when a taper different from zero is selected. This tube-key-spindle connection allowing axial play is considered the telescopic mechanism. The telescopic taper attachment has to remain mounted at all times because the cross slide would not work without it. In the REGULAR TAPER ATTACHMENT the cross slide spindle is directly fixed to the hand wheel and the spindle nut is attached to the cross slide the same as in the telescopic version. When you want to use the taper attachment you need to remove the cross slide spindle nut and connect the taper attachment slide to the cross slide. Then the cross slide hand wheel is disconnected and the depth of cut has to be controlled by the compound feed. When the regular taper attachment is not used it can be removed from the lathe and the cross slide is still working without it. Since you cannot see the telescopic mechanism the easiest way to recognize it is 1. you don't need to remove the cross slide nut to cut tapers and 2. you can control the depth of cut using the cross slide hand wheel while cutting tapers.
Philippe from the channel: Phil's Projects with whom I collaborate on different projects is working at making a taper attachment on his Graziano lathe, I'll transmit your comment so he can read it... Thanks for the info, PIerre
Hi, your comment was placed in the wrong section by Google, probably due to to the links included, but, now I got it... Keith's taper system is very similar to mine, plus he's got a few extras to deal with backlash, might inspire me to look at it and see what could be improved... Philippe's project is a fun one but he's got to do a lot of thinking and any good input is welcome... ;) Thanks, Pierre
Hey Pierre, is your mic acting up? I got a lot of noise in this video for some reason? he taper attachment on my Monarch is a much fancier affair. Maybe someday i will do a project and show it in use but honestly I have probably only used it 10 times in 15 years.
bcbloc02 Hi Brian, I'll have to investigate about the buzz and noises.... Maybe bad connection. If you have a chance to show the Monarch's TA it would be great, I'd be curious to see it... So far I've used it about 3-4 times in 2 years, but have a few projects on the planing coming up.
Hello Pierre, Very enjoyable video. A minor request / suggestion, I am ALWAYS EXTREMELY CURIOUS as to the Make or Brand and the model # or sizes of the machines shown in You Tube machining videos. I believe many others are also curious and would appreciate a brief word about what machines you have in your shop. ( maybe some background on them also, time permitting… ) thanks and best regards, Darryl Dodge
***** Hi Darryl, there is in one of my early video an intro on my shop, not 100% complete but I'll give some details about the lathe, the mill and the phase converter... With time I'll describe some other pieces, as they get used during the videos... ;-) I'm also making efforts to keep the videos as short and concise as possible, not to bore viewers. Thanks for the constructive comment comment, and you're welcome back any time... Pierre
I have a taper attachment for my lathe. I have only used it once back in about 1976. Of course it is not as fancy as the one you have. Feel free to throw some ordinary everyday French in your videos, it classes them up. Thanks for the video.
cerberus Hello Harold,
I was thinking of a lexical related with the machining world, a translation from French to English and the other way around, there are some French viewers that would probably like it...
Have you plans to use your taper attachment?
Pierre
pierre beaudry no I do not plan to use it at this time. I was making a shaft to go on a horizontal mill to run as a vertical mill. I had cast the pulleys and had made the spindle and the housing and then I got a job overseas and never did resume the project. In fact I sold the horizontal mill for scrap metal in 1984.
Salut Pierre,
Ça fait plaisir de voir un gars du coin présenter ses réalisations.
Je m'abonne.
+Robert Patoine Allo Robert, merci pour l'abonnement, j'espère que tu y trouveras quelque chose d'intéressant... ;)
De quelle région est-tu? Pierre
An alternative for those without the under-thread adjuster could be a fine threaded bolt from both sides of the taper bar, if enough room between the mahine and the attachent. When close to the required angle tighten up both studs and then the loosen one slightly and tighten the other, to make small adjustments?
Well, the good news is I found the attachment that mounts to the Ways to hold the taper in place, the bad news is the taper moves very stiffly through the cross feed which was causing my initial problem, so slowly that I have to use a wood clamp to force it through so I am concerned it will not work without pulling something out of adjustment in operation, so I will need to check the adjustments and correct as needed, but thanks again as you got me on the correct path to figuring this out.
Enjoy your day.
Bob
Bob Sawatsky Does this mean a dismantling job, cleaning and lubing..... ???? It can't be too stiff or you'll lose the adjustment somewhere in the process...
Hi Pierre, yes it required disassembly, at first I suspected rust build up was causing the binding, but the dovetailed guide bar that adjusts the taper has such terrible machining at both ends that it was causing it to bind, not what I was expecting for sure but it looks as though they went at it with files, not a machined finish.
After removing the taper attachment I am currently dressing the faces lightly with a file and it is almost sliding freely throughout it's full range, though now I will always be concerned about how straight the cut is, though it is just at the very end so it won't have much effect, ordering a new part may be in order if getting one that's better is possible, or perhaps trying to machine a new one may be my next project. Thank you.
Glad it turns in order, you'll get a functioning tool, before ordering new parts you cold do a test cut and see about how straight it operates. Keep me posted...
Pierre
No wrenches involved when doing a taper on my little lathe. :)
That's a nice unit on there. I like that better than most of the others I've seen.
Thanks!!
bluehandsvideo Hi Mike,
Yap CNC have it's advantages, and also not that many inconvenients... lol You can do just about any shape, not just tapers. Except the maybe the tedious task of programming.
Thanks for stopping by, Pierre
pierre beaudry Ah yes....the programming. Which, for an underpowered brain such as mine, can be quite the challenge!!! :)
Pierre can you make another about how the taper attachment works without loosen the cross slide nut? Im really confusing because ive watch some homemade taper attachment and most of them need to loosen the cross slide nut.great video pierre
If you haven't seen this more recent video, you may find out more of the details you need, if not just let me know and I'll do my best to address your questions.
Reference to more recent video:
th-cam.com/video/BIFLzS-BmJw/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for your comment, Pierre
Pierre's Garage i just watched another video thanks for all those information and your time. I was going crazy after watch adam’s monarch taper attachment video w/o knowing how it works with the cross slide nut.anyways thanks for the great explanation and no bad words. Kids do watch machining videos
Hi, I found you by accident, I’ve watch a few of your videos and found them to be very interesting with a refreshingly pleasant presentation… Eh, the accent certainly plays well with the presentation.
Sorry to hear your drama with getting the necessary voltage and phase into your workshop.
I would like to see a quick walk around of all your tools. It’s always interesting to see what little or over-the-top machinery home shops get equipped with.
Your shop certainly looks packed with what looks like a life time of memories… cheers anyway from ‘down under’…
Thank you for sharing this, I am trying to set up the Taper Attachment that came with my Modern 14x40 and cannot find any instructions in the manual or online.
I cannot get it to adjust at all, something is tight that isn't obviously able to be loosened, or it's frozen together with rust, it also has no method of connecting to the bed as you do with the articulating bolt to stop it from being carried along with the cross slide so it can work, so out to the garage to try again to figure it out.
And yes I have subscribed.
Bob Sawatsky Hi Bob, first, thanks for subscribing, on the attachment you have to find out what part has to be fixed to the lathe, then you should be going...
Pierre
Hi mate.
Thanks for explaining that. A lot I had figured out myself, but it's good to get it confirmed. I bought a lathe with the thing hanging of it, and had no idea what it was. In retrospect, I think it's about the only thing that is sound on my machine. The only thing I'm a bit unclear about, and that is not hard to do, how can it move with the cross slide hand wheel on the other end.
Marcel Timmers The back of the cross slide is just sliding on the longitudinal bar of the taper attachment if tied up by the end rod, if not the taper attachment will carry itself with the cross slide... Hope it's made clear...
Since the taper attachment isn't use often then chances of it functioning are almost 100%... :-))
pierre beaudry I did realise that, but I'm still not clear. How does the cross slide move if the hand wheel is not disengaged. Surely, the hand wheel and rod should block the travel of the cross slide? I think that I have to open it all up again, to see how it all works. Normally I'm quite good at these sorts of things, but this has me stumped.
Thanks for the video. How does the TA limit the length one may taper? Seems you can only use a portion of your bed.
Morris Gallo Hello Morris, you're right about the limit, it's the length of the guide bar on the TA, here we get about 12" or 30 cm. You'll rarely get to make tapers that exceeds this limit...Thanks for visiting and commenting, Pierre
I've been trying to develop a plan for TA for my lathe.... Never know when you might want to break out in a Morse ya'know... So there must be some way to disengage the crossfeed screw?? I know some have a spline connecting the CF handle to its screw... yours must have this as well??
Colin ;-)
***** Hi Colin, I'll have to investigate further to really figure how they connect the taper attachment, but the feeling is that the end of the screw is connected to the tracking block on the sliding bar of the TA.
If I get into it I'll probably show it up... To be continued, after a couple of more urgent projects.
So far the TA was useful a couple of times, and, with a DRO it makes it easier to set and get good accuracy.
Pierre
Thanks for the excellent video, very informative.
Hi Jim,
Happy it could help you understand how it works and help you with your projects... ;)
Thanks for comment, Pierre
Bonjour Pierre, hey I could use a refresher course in my french ( xxxx) words, feel free to express yourself( under your breath please).
Roger Beaulieu Allo Roger, if I totally let go on my inspiration, the channel would move from general audience to 18 and over... Not that would change a lot but certain people have sensitives ears and are easy to offend.
Merci pour la visite et le commentaire,
Pierre
There are two basic types of taper attachments. The regular one and the TELESCOPIC TAPER ATTACHMENT which is considered superior because you do NOT need to remove the cross slide spindle nut to use the attachment and you can still use the cross slide hand wheel to control the depth of cut while cutting the taper. Pierre's taper attachment is such a telescopic version. How does it work? Very simple: the cross slide spindle is not attached to the carriage near the hand wheel as usual but to the taper attachment slide on its other end. When you turn the spindle the cross slide is always pushed away from or drawn towards the taper attachment slide whether you use the taper attachment or not. In order to rotate the cross slide spindle from the apron side the cross slide hand wheel is not directly connected to the spindle but via a tube with a key on its inside sliding over the end of the spindle which has a key-way on its outside. That way the hand wheel can turn the spindle and still allow the spindle to move back and forth together with the taper attachment slide when a taper different from zero is selected. This tube-key-spindle connection allowing axial play is considered the telescopic mechanism. The telescopic taper attachment has to remain mounted at all times because the cross slide would not work without it.
In the REGULAR TAPER ATTACHMENT the cross slide spindle is directly fixed to the hand wheel and the spindle nut is attached to the cross slide the same as in the telescopic version. When you want to use the taper attachment you need to remove the cross slide spindle nut and connect the taper attachment slide to the cross slide. Then the cross slide hand wheel is disconnected and the depth of cut has to be controlled by the compound feed. When the regular taper attachment is not used it can be removed from the lathe and the cross slide is still working without it.
Since you cannot see the telescopic mechanism the easiest way to recognize it is 1. you don't need to remove the cross slide nut to cut tapers and 2. you can control the depth of cut using the cross slide hand wheel while cutting tapers.
Philippe from the channel: Phil's Projects with whom I collaborate on different projects is working at making a taper attachment on his Graziano lathe, I'll transmit your comment so he can read it...
Thanks for the info, PIerre
I am happy to help
Hi, your comment was placed in the wrong section by Google, probably due to to the links included, but, now I got it...
Keith's taper system is very similar to mine, plus he's got a few extras to deal with backlash, might inspire me to look at it and see what could be improved...
Philippe's project is a fun one but he's got to do a lot of thinking and any good input is welcome... ;)
Thanks, Pierre
Hey Pierre, is your mic acting up? I got a lot of noise in this video for some reason? he taper attachment on my Monarch is a much fancier affair. Maybe someday i will do a project and show it in use but honestly I have probably only used it 10 times in 15 years.
bcbloc02 Hi Brian,
I'll have to investigate about the buzz and noises.... Maybe bad connection.
If you have a chance to show the Monarch's TA it would be great, I'd be curious to see it...
So far I've used it about 3-4 times in 2 years, but have a few projects on the planing coming up.
Hello Pierre, Very enjoyable video. A minor request / suggestion, I am ALWAYS EXTREMELY CURIOUS as to the Make or Brand and the model # or sizes of the machines shown in You Tube machining videos. I believe many others are also curious and would appreciate a brief word about what machines you have in your shop. ( maybe some background on them also, time permitting… ) thanks and best regards, Darryl Dodge
***** Hi Darryl, there is in one of my early video an intro on my shop, not 100% complete but I'll give some details about the lathe, the mill and the phase converter...
With time I'll describe some other pieces, as they get used during the videos... ;-)
I'm also making efforts to keep the videos as short and concise as possible, not to bore viewers.
Thanks for the constructive comment comment, and you're welcome back any time... Pierre
HMMM. On mine you have to release the crossfeed nut. I am trying to figure out how yours does not need that.
+phooesnax it's attached to the end of the part that holds the nut... ;)
brilliant vid! thank you!! :D
Glad you liked and thanks for watching, Pierre
im going to try and do a 1/4" npt thread tonight lol, glad i found your video to learn how to set it up! :D
Let me know how it turned out... !
Make job to describe working properly on taper attachment sir