What RUINED Don Bluth Animation?
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- Don Bluth was the first, true rival Disney animation ever faced. He went head-to-head with them releasing movies on the same date as Disney's films. Despite putting up a fight, his success ran out and went down hill. Why did this happen? What exactly ruined Don Bluth's run against Disney?
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More Don!
2d animation, where did it go?
I did. I sure did. Nice research on this topic for the video. I've always wanted to know so much about the Bluth(no pun intended)
The Amazing Bulk
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Disney: makes movies about following your dreams.
Don Bluth: Follows his dreams.
Disney: Wait,that's illegal
Disney: We have to keep extending the copyright laws so Mickey Mouse doesn't go into the Public Domain!
Disney: Let's make another movie based off of someone else's fairy tale and not pay any royalties to their families!
Disney: let's remake a movie and pretend the original doesn't exist and then belittle the original creator (who was a Disney fan) in the press.
Why though guys, WHY!!!!!
@@silkworm2595 You'll have to elaborate on that one.
@@crocodileman94 kimba
As of September 2020, Bluth is now starting up a new animation company which will focus on 2D animated films.
Update: As of 2024, I haven't heard any further news on Bluth's new company. Still hoping for the best though.
I REALLY hope it works out better than before. He has no competition in 2D animation anymore and I'm certain there's a market for it. I know I'm super, super over 3D animated films. The animation lacks warmth for me.
why i think bluth will live being a dude who "is starting a new animation company"
REALLY???? Okay I'm so down for classic 2d style!
I hope it all works well, so tired of disney.
YEAH!
Yes I miss 2d
It’s not all bad he did give us Tim Curry as an evil penguin 🐧.
yeah, Tim Curry is a master of villains, hell he was in another bluth film as a villain in Ferngully the last rainforest that even has THE Robin Williams in there! Kinda makes you wonder how they both react when meeting the greatest stars
This penguin villain was a best part of a movie. He is kind of example of "so bad, so its good" rule. His absurdity makes him fun and charismatic
Mad-Hatter-ison Witkowksi Ferngully is not Don Bluth, but Tim Curry did appear in “Bartok the Magnificent” as a giant talking head giving skeletal based joke riddles.
tbh The Pebble & The Penguin is one of my biggest guilty pleasures ever
@@robbiewalker2831 Thought it was....
But I remember Bartok very well, it was one of the sequels that made you question if it really was since the only returning character was Bartok.
I will say and admit, it was one of the cutest Bluth film out of the others. One of my childhood gems next to the former film too.
"Nowadays Disney has many rivals..."
Not really, they keep buying them up...
No not really tho. 🤔🤨😐.
You are wrong tho
Hoshino Otaku
What do you mean
The only rival they haven't bought would be WB/DC...... (Warner Brothers and DC)
Warner Bros. and their subsidiaries, Sony's BlueSky Animations, NBCUniversal and its subsidiaries like DreamWorks, etc.
To be fair though, even the bad movies are still visually interesting
Don't forget, some of the characters too :)
And certain voice actors.
Don may have made bad films, but it wasn't from a lack of effort and care, that's for sure.
A troll in Central Park was my favorite
True dat.
Who else here is hoping that Don's Dragon's lair movie becomes a thing ?
I want Dirk the Daring from Dragon's Lair in Super Smash Bros Ultimate and before you say anything, Dragon's Lair is a video game. So Dirk can qualify in the game.
I spent so much money on the Dragon's Lair arcade that Don should be rich. Never did beat it either. A movie would more than make up for that.
Me
After that Indiegogo I'd sure hope so. It wasn't enough to make a movie, obviously... but it was still people's money. I hope the pitch was really picked up. I lost track of what happened since
@@elmono6299
That would be cool
_It seems like the whole, overall animation world is trying to go to where maybe animation doesn't belong._
*~ Don Bluth*
Exactly
Like anime, ugh i hate anime
@@farawaygaming_ why?
farawaygamer hate to say this to you. But Anime is right where it needs to be.
Keeping 2D Animation alive and well, along with Mature!
DragonBall Super: Broly was a worldwide phenomenon for a reason!
What about Ghibli movies or something? :p
"All dogs go to heaven" is a huge nostalgic blast to me
Same!
Yo same tho. Those movies were awesome
Yeah mine to..
Secret of NIMH was a special film for me. An American Tail was a fun adventure film. And The Land Before Time is a strange but fun franchise
DON'T YOU DARE SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT THE LAND BEFORE TIME!
Matt Vu
Realistic cgi is crap compared to cartoony stylization.
@@starguardlux2874 dont worry he only worked on the first one
The Land Before Time will always be my favourite, but the soundtrack is just so nostalgic to me that I get overly emotional when I hear it.
But man did they just destroy that series. Terrible sequels, some horrible TV version and I'm sure other things that would make me physically ill. It's par for the course though considering what happened to both fievel and secret of nymn.
The last time I was this early, American 2d animation was still alive and well.
to me cgi is nothing special these days
I'm still waiting for 1D
I read this as the second ammendment and I was very confused
I miss 2D animation..
@@laurelalloro Watch TV. It's alive and well there.
Just reading the title killed me a little inside. I really miss his style in animation today.
The animation style of An American Tale was always one of my favorites.
same here
Don Bluth movies had style and that special flair well many of those old movies are probably just nostalgic
Doug Sahr why?
Doug Sahr his movies were crap
The land before time, An American tale and All dogs go to heaven were my favorite childhood movies.
Dogs was the first film I saw in theatre. I remembre being slightly irritated by the daylight afterwards.
Can’t keep a good dog Dow-wow-wow-wow-won!
Anastasia and DGTH will always be great classics in my eyes.
@@notgray88 Loved Anastasia also, the animation quality is just so good. Its like candy for the eyes!
Same.
Don Bluth movies: * are doing well *
The little mermaid: I'm about it end this man's whole career
Splash
mlp movie magic I guess she doesn’t want to be part of his world.
I think Don Bluth's fall can be sum up with just one word "Hubris"
Fuq the Little Mermaid. I mean yes, well executed AF, and turning the whole Disney Renaissance with their musical films into becoming a powerhouse (thanks Jodi Benson, who Don luckily got to afterwards), but the it's an unoriginal script and at no point a true depiction of the beautiful H C Christian Andersen story.
"[...] his bad films! Pebble and the Penguin, Rock-a-doodle, and A Troll in Central Park."
But... I loved those movies. *sad noises*
I would argue Rock-a-doodle was better than LBT.
@@askadoctorifheresyisright4you U need help!!!!!!😠
IamCoalfoot U also need help!!!!!!
@@Draco-1400 Lol, loving your passion here
The change in tone was actually brought on by executive meddling. Bluth wanted to add darker elements to rock-a-doodle, but executives wouldn't let him because they wanted it to appeal more to kids.
He was even forced to cut a scene on which the owl villain cooks a skunk alive.
Now I'm worried about what's gonna happen if Don Bluth's Netflix suffers the same thing executive meddling.
@@elchanchopato9601 What would the Bluth Cut look like?
Wow
It's an old story:
1.Creative artist makes good stuff.
2. Corporate powers tell them to water it down to appeal to kids
3. It appeals to no one.
The Land Before Time was such a big part of my childhood, I remember having a VHS and just watching it at least once a week. It really sparked my love for dinosaurs as a child.
I had the whole series, and I had frequent marathons
those movies were the shit when I was a kid
Ive still got the Land before time collection on VHS at my grandma's house. Used to watch them alot from age 4-7.
@@Jennie-qy5ps I'd still watch them too if I had them
my VCR broke, and my youngest sibling pulled out some of the tape in them
if I ever see the full collection on DVD, I'll probably get it
@@grimmoflunalis1440 Wal*Mart has had the 14-film collection for awhile now, I think it's like $30 or $40. I think Target had it too, but I'm not sure.
@@Jennie-qy5ps I'll take a look, thanks
Honestly I really wish I had gotten to see Ice Age in Don Bluth's traditonal animation style, or at least a 3D animation version of it.
Imagine the incredible expressions and proportions he could have given the characters, especially Sid who already looks a bit like a Don Bluth character.
You comment a lot
It’s kinda depressing that Titan A.E. bombed so hard. I love that movie.
Even as a guy who didn’t see the movie myself, I enjoy the idea that movie has potential for and feel so bad that it failed so miserably
GojiraTX
So do I. Titan A.E. is actually pretty interesting and amazing. But I hate how "unsuccessful" movies like this get thrown under by most people just because they weren't financially successful. Which, goes to show that not all movies that don't make money are bad.
Titan A.E. and Treasure Planet are weird, estranged siblings, when you look at it.
I thought the movie was pretty good. Not one of my favorites but a good watch.
agreed
Funny you didn't mention his depression/nervous breakdown following the murder of Judith Barsi.
I can understand why. What happened to that poor girl was horrible. Not that it was Bluth's fault whatsoever.
What? No way
Okay???... what!? Can someone tell me what happened??? 😱😰
Krista Bautzmann Judith was killed by her father at home and he committed suicide after that. Was really heartbreaking
@@KayleeCee Yeah, it wasn't his fault but when you are so close to an event like that, it must be impossible not to be affected by it.
It’s sad. Just seeing Disney’s ACTUAL competitor take a huge fall.
Its like the Pewds and Tseries fight. One man Vs a huge company.
But he didnt have the supposed Pewds did..
It was like Nintendo vs SEGA.
Remember when Disney were real a**holes to the creator of Kimba. They're a bunch of bullies.
Disney motivate this guy to make his legacy
In the 80’s bluth kinda motivated Disney to get back up again
Bluth is a legend
Me: "Lol who names an animation company after themself, imagine if Walt Dis... oh"
Grim funny enough when he wanted to not be credited as a director so badly for pebble and the penguin he realized, he was screwed, the company was named after him. Gary Goldman laughed at his face and was spared
420th like bros
This made me laugh my ass off
Technically its started out as Disney Brothers but Roy wanted to be behind the scenes (basically a Jobs and Watts situation) so they renamed it Walt Disney but know we mostly refer to it as Disney so it has the whole family
Omygod
It hit rock bottom, just like the time SpongeBob and Patrick got on the wrong bus
I *raspberry* couldn't agree *raspberry* more *raspberry*
ProfesserUniverse nice lol, the raspberry was on point haha.
Don Bluth is Spongebob and Steven Spielberg is Patrick.
@@tonymata8070 thanks 😆😆
I cant **pbfff** understand **pbfff** your accent **pbfff**
“Should’ve stayed with Spielberg” is one of the most Duh sentences I’ve ever heard
Nathan C I suspect there were creative differences
Yeah, because Spielbergs further animated Movies performed so much better. Don Bluth even managed to make 5 more movies, while Spielberg was only able to make 3 before his Animation Company went bankrupt and at least Bluth had a comeback hit, so no, he shouldnt have stayed with Spielberg actually.
I think the reason Don Bluth didn't "stayed" with Steven Spielberg and why Spielberg was not involved in the later Don Bluth films, was due to the fact that Spielberg and his company Amblin had more control and put guidelines during the production of An American Tail and The Land Before Time.
In fact, it was the latter film that caused Don Bluth to cut ties with Spielberg because Spielberg and George Lucas had to remove 10-15 minutes of the film (hence the 69 minute runtime) because they were deemed frightening to small children.
@@nanotek1416 I think the reason Don Bluth didn't want to be involved with Steven Spielberg in his later movies, was due to the fact that Spielberg and his company Amblin had more control in his previous films, An American Tail and The Land Before Time which Bluth found disagreeable.
In fact, it was the latter film that caused Don Bluth to not be involved with Steven Spielberg afterwards because Spielberg and George Lucas had to remove 10-15 minutes of The Land Before Time (hence the 69 minute runtime) because they were deemed frightening to small children.
Nano Tek they both didn’t do well in animated movies after that, but they did extremely well on what they did together
Don Bluth sounds like he would be bad at monopoly with all his studios that went bankrupt and all
So true! Bluth go back Disney. Oh well
He definitely wouldn't be able to pulls Disney and buy all his competition so he can force his company to stay above the water.
"Bad" Don Bluth movies are still impressive from a technical standpoint, and I've never seen one I genuinely didn't like. In fact, I grew up loving Rock-A-Doodle. The story was flawed, but the voice talent involved was excellent, the music was catchy and I still get laughs from the Duke's nephew.
Justin Oakes CHANTICLEER!!!
... i remember really liking the pebble and the penguin, haven't seen in ages now though
Exactly!!!! Rock-A-Doodle is one of my favorite movies ever! I still watch it to this day! I know very line and song by heart.
Me too! It was definitely one of my absolute favorites when I was a kid. Some of those scenes like the storm were just the right amount of scary for little me! I was surprised to learn as an adult that it was considered a failure! That vhs ran through my vcr enough times to make up for the failure elsewhere in my mind!
Poor Judith Barsi. She voiced many of Don's characters and died tragically.
She only voiced 2 still it is sad
It's all because of her stupid abusive dad!
She only voiced 2 characters, but she wanted to keep working for Don Bluth for years to come. Sadly, her life was taken too soon. :(
Judith's dad was so evil! Killing his own daughter and wife! F*cking horrible!
😭😭😭😭 She would be *42* now
Now I' wondering what Ice Age would look as a Don Bluth film
Mannie would have died
It would've been more interesting, very more mature, than we have right now.
Titan AE was incredible and insanely underrated.
PLANET BOB!!
Right!
is a fond part of my childhood, that's for sure
And also it was have a really spacey look8ng animation .
Wait
Wait wait wait wait
THAT'S A DON BLUTH MOVIE?!
when you realize Secret of NIMH is 37 years old._.
Don Bluth doing the animation
Jerry Goldsmith doing the music.
'nough said!
When you realize it's only 7 years older than you ;~;
@@rachael1090 HAHA! I won't tell you how old I am and I loved this movie. Hint: I'm older... much older... than the movie.
You what
I loved that movie. It's a pretty dark book too, I highly recommend reading it.
>His bad films
>Names movies that were still fun and entertaining
UUHHHH, excuse you. Rockadoodle was great...
SOMEONE AGREES!!!! AHHHH!!
We missed out on so much by Don's failure. His animation was gorgeous.
In the words of Arin Hanson: "Burbank California! Where dreams are crushed. Come on down!"
Netizpossible arin crushed his own dreams and now he’s a hollow shell of a once great animator.
Burbank California were you can find a gun store- there's a couple
@@zerotodona1495
Hollow shell maybe, but I still think he's genuinely funny.
I'm not always gonna yern for "the old days" cause it makes me less open to the new days imo. But I get where you're coming from.
I watch their live stuff like 10-minute power hour as opposed to regular GG cause I find it more interesting and entertaining.
10:20 I had "All dogs go to heaven" on a VHS 😁
I also had "The pebble and the penguin", "Thumbalina", "The land before time", "The sword in the stone", "Anastasia" and "Bartok". I kinda miss watching movies like that.
Same! It sucks that movies are judged on how well the do in the box office.
Saberspark mentioned how All Dog Go To Heaven sold well on VHS. I had a copy of it as well and so many other people I know had it on VHS.
Kinda?
@@MrJavaman5 still have a copy.
Fun fact: I have the entire Land Before Time collection
"Maybe because kids think dinosaurs are cooler than Billy Joel.." XDDDDD
With Jurassic Park I wouldn’t be surprised
Funny enough, I loved that movie as a kid. Both of them.
Tricky. Both are pretty close in competition
Saber it's funny that you mention Don needed a good business manager because I'm a computer animation/game development major, and we NEVER prioritized business in ANY way, shape, or form. We prioritized animation and technique....but we never learned HOW to PROPERLY get into the industry....let alone how to properly START our own business. Don Bluth is a symbol of the shit show that goes down in animation business. You'd be surprised at how many people in the animation industry have a lack of business common sense......
Wholeheartedly agree! Artists learn HOW to create, but not quite WHAT to do with the creation. Maybe this is why everyone says you can't do shit with an art degree....
More art schools _definitely_ need to teach the business side of the graphic art industry.
I went to Ringling for illustration back in 2003-2007 and it was an anomaly that they actually required a business of illustration class for all the seniors that taught us about branding for ourselves, marketing, job hunting, interviews, leave-behind books, clamshell portfolios, agents, taxes, contracts, and pricing. It's ridiculously important and not many schools cover it!
And as an aside, that class produced one of my favorite quotes from the two profs who jointly taught the class: "We're here to tell all of you how _we_ got fucked over so you can avoid them and find _new_ ways to get fucked over. Because all of you _will_ get fucked over at least once in your careers."
@@TheGoldenDunsparce Honestly a lot of people who say that don't actually know what all you can do with one, because it's a _lot._ The graphic art industry is really diverse in what all you can do and just how many different companies and sub industries you can work within. Basically anyplace that needs imagery for any reason at all, all the way down to the CIA. (One of the illustration grads a few years ahead of me at Ringling was hired by the CIA to illustrate their training manuals.)
Makes me wish that there was a way to add some art business classes as a part of attaining an AA or certificate in college. I've been in (and I'm still in) some classes for making art and I've heard of classes for businesses, but I've never heard of a class that combines them together...🤨🧐🤔
See while i’m not in the industry, that is a MASSIVE industry hole. Because honestly, there are some top tier artist who wind up staying amateur because they don’t have the where with-all to angle themselves in the industry. Hell, I know just plain artist that would benefit from that.
So yea, either find a business assistant or someone who knows a lot about managing funds so you don’t over do it. Although, I gotta say, there isn’t much by means of training for us either (historian here).
Ironic being that _The Great Mouse Detective_ is allegedly the film that saved Disney from bankruptcy.
I'd love to see him do an adaptation of one of the _Redwall_ books or a Mouseguard module.
The great mouse detective is my favourite Disney movie 🐀
Aleksandra Abrahamowicz ME TOO. A THOUSAND TIMES ME TOO.
Omg you're right!!! I'd love for Don to put more darker themes on Redwall
Does Don Bluth Productions still exist?
I want someone to make a video titled, 'The history behind The Velveteen Rabbit. Don Bluth's unfinished masterpiece for New Line Cinema.'
In my opinion, enough time has passed that Classics such and Don Bluth's style and the stop motion that brought us Nightmare Before Christmas need to come back and remind us that they are still here. Despite what some companies think, there is a definite market that is larger than perceived for these types of products. Bluth...we miss you.
Don Bluth basically needed a Roy Disney. Walt was very involved and wanted a great deal of control of his projects, took a lot of big risks and ran out of money A LOT in his early days (several of his early studios went bankrupt as well), but his brother Roy was always ALWAYS there to figure out the financial situation. I think most successful creative minds, like Walt, had a Roy behind them as well: a trusted person in charge of finances who earnestly wants to see the "Ideas guy's" ideas succeed, but is there to tell them what is and isn't feasible (and they'll listen, since they trust each other). A Roy would have told Don it made more sense to NOT release on the same day.
Edit: Oh, and even Walt had many trusted animators on his team that basically led the way after his death. There's was definitely a bit of a struggle right after his death, since he was such a large influence on the company obviously, but an entire generation of Disney films were made without him (by the same animators who worked with him) and the "9 Old Men" essentially raised a generation of animators who eventually worked on the Renaissance films.
A money guy might have helped, but in Bluth's case he also needed someone to help with the narrative. His animation was beautiful, but as time went on the scripts for his film became worse and worse. Including the Fox films... I find both Anastasia & Titan very unwatchable and it has nothing to do with the animation quality.
Roy could often be to conservative though. He initially protested adding color to the cartoons, the idea of an animated feature film, and Disneyland. He probably did keep Disney from going totally bankrupt though.
@@58jharris Yeah, it was definitely a balance. Roy protested to some things but in the end they had a balance where Roy would help Walt out even with his "bad" ideas (like feature animated films, that will never work! *cough*), but Walt wouldn't go completely off the rails. I don't know for sure, but they probably had many many discussions and arguments, but in the end they were great partners.
Well, while Walt's name is shown, it surely was DISNEY company.
@@kgoblin5084 He never wrote any of the scripts. So that's not his fault. I base all of his works on the animation quality.
All Dogs Go to Heaven one and two (along with a lot of animal-based films like Balto and Cats Don't Dance) are one of the major reasons I got into drawing when I was younger. I'll never forget them
Can’t believe it’s been ten years since Dom DeLuise passed away.
@@angelcastaneda529 Right? His voice was iconic for good ol' Itchy. R.I.P Dom Deluise
And also Tiger from An American Tail. That’s my personal favorite.
Well think of this.
There is a parallel universe where Burt Reynolds reprised his roll as charlie
@Juan Cortez Muro Jesus Christ, how many of these comments did you put out here, you annoying shank?
All of Bluth's movies even the "bad" ones were so important to me and my aesthetics.. I simply love his work ❤️
"What ruined Don Bluth?"
Don Bluth.
The guy was a counter puncher when his strengths lay elsewhere. Had the man A. Not directly went after Disney, and B. Took on smaller projects to help fund bigger projects, he would still be doing movies.
If he did Ice Age, Fox Animation Studios could have easily gone another 10 years.
He make ice age with dinosaurs
@@montajedelespectador yeah but no snow until episode 8
"Bartok? Bardock? Bardock the Magnificent?"
Would be funny to see that one Saiyan as a magician in Otherworld, now that I think about it...
FRIEZAAAA!!!!
Ki blasts are sparkles and super saiyan glows like the sun.
It's a shame we will never have another animator like him. We will never have another "Land Before Time" or "An American Tale" again.
And now we have "Let It Go" as the number one highest grossing animated film. Let's face it! As bad as Don's films went at least they were more Original and they had more imagination than Frozen!
Not only that, but the influence of his animation is very evident in the Disney films he worked on.
I bet Don never saw dime one of the revenue of those LBT sequels
VeronicasTouch I think there’s probably THOUSANDS of better animators, they’re probably just indie and we never heard of them
I sometimes feel that animation as a whole has been entered another dark age with no end in sight. Most of the time CG just look uncanny and plastic-like and most mainstream stuff are kids stuff with a billion pop-culture references. It doesn't help that computing unlike with music didn't really made animation easy, at least if you want to do Don Bluth or Disney renaissance stuff, but on the other hand, the medium could be cheapened, if everybody could crank that visual quality in their basements...
Don: joins fox animation
10 years later
Disney buys fox
Ironic isn’t it?
Now Disney is gonna ruined Don Bluth movies like he ruined Star Wars, and everything.
oh god that made me cackle
@@ryliehunter5082 Something ironic in it.
Please though. The language.
Gregg Everman Welcome to youtube
And here I am with my favorite Don Bluth's
Rock a Doodle: The songs are absolutely amazing and I always adored Chanticleer and Uncle Dukey
American Tail: Lovely movie, gorgeous water effects
Land Before time: So terrifying but so sweet and funny
Titan: Coolest, damn space animation
Thumbelina: Such a beautiful movie with sweet, sweet songs
Anastasia: Gorgeous, absolutely gorgeous
So a part of me is upset some of my favorites were considered such failures - but then again one of disneys failures is one of my favorites of theirs "Treasure Planet"
"No one could touch DIsney"
I mean I know what you mean, but Disney actually almost DIED about 60 billion times from between the 50s-80s. It wasn't until the Renaissance that they became as massive and unbeatable as they are now.
I dont think anyone has hurt my nostalgia heart harder than hearing "a Troll in central park and Rock-a-doodle" and "bad movies" in the same sentence
I know right! I love Rock-a-doodle, I still watch it to this day. I also remember how much my sister and I would watch a Troll in Central Park
Let me issue you a challenge if you're down to ruin your childhood, because whole a troll in central park wasn't good it wasn't that bad, rock a doodle was pretty damn bad. The idea of those films are good.
The problem with rockadoodle doesn't fall under story, it's all the characters, songs, and pacing. The songs are frequent and, well I can't say any of them are really good enough to put on a playlist that even has yodel adle eedle adle oo on it. I'm not picky about my songs. When the movie is interrupting the songs (when patoo cuts in with an "I think we lost them") something is very wrong. The morale of the film was very confused. The kid didn't seem too hurt by being called a fraidy cat until that interesting inner turmoil scene at the end. There wasn't a lot to show for the fox boss trying to keep chanticleer from leaving in all honesty, no real manipulation, it was so quick at the end. We spent more time with patoo's shoes. Why? The bunions thing was a one time gag that doesn't come into play later at all. What can you say about peepers as a character? Or the magpie? Peepers has a lisp and the magpie never shuts up? That's not character. The hell made Goldie actually fall for chanticleer? It never says even in that stupid monologue. The songs sound like something a kindergarten teacher came up with for her class to sing to on the piano. The characters don't exist. The plot is bizarrely rushed with no time to breathe and too much thrown in with so little to tell. The morale is forced and underdeveloped. It's less about the rooster and more about the cat.
This is unfortunately what education on how to create good characters and storytelling does to you. It messes up your perspective on things you once loved as a child and makes you sit back and go "huh. Maybe that wasn't actually that good at all." It happened with fox and the hound for me, my all time favorite as a child, one tape I had that was in perfect condition because I never rewound any of the scenes to watch nor skipped scenes. I went back and yeah bluth was kind of stubbornly right to remove his name from the movie. It's good but it's not great. There's just a lot of nothing going on, that's the problem with a troll in central park. There's a lot of nothing. I can forgive how stupid gnorga is. I can't forgive the dancing flowers, real crying toddler, how much of a brat Gus is, the morale, Rosie in general, and how off-putting Stanley is toward these kids. He's fine with Gus but creepy with Rosie. You don't apologise to a toddler about the place being a mess nor fly around the room when kissed by said toddler. That's just gross. I loved the idea of Gus thinking he's too grown up to dream and Stanley giving him the chance to dream. Hell the end I interpreted as Gus letting himself dream like a child and have hope. I do kinda like the songs in it but I don't find myself humming queen of mean at work. It was better than rockadoodle but not that much better. I could probably cut out a good chunk of a troll in central park to make it work better, like the dog chase, the flowers dancing, probably a little bit of welcome to my world, part of the fight between Stanley and Gus, there's something good in the movie about imagination that I just enjoy but the rest has to go.
@@spinningpeanut what the actual fuck? The original commenter and I like or love these movies. I dont care if you dont like them...but honestly you felt you needed to make a lengthy comment that has 3 paragraphs that no one is going to read...why? I dont care you dont like the songs or the characters. We do. Go do something productive with your life. Seriously.
@@spinningpeanut yea seriously. no ones gives a fuck about all that you typed. didnt even realize you had all that until i read little boo's comment. whether or not you or they liked it...its on you guys. I personally forgot all about the movie. but I'm sure it hold a special place in some folk's childhood
@@boomdos4265 now that's just mean. I'm giving you tools to understand why people wouldn't like the movie you do. People will say "I don't like a troll in central park" and when you ask why they just say "because" as they didn't actually watch it, loved it as a child, and then because some cartoon critic said so is the real reason. I get it, I do, I have a soft spot for the Rio movies and roadside Romeo. Yeah I like the movie saber trashed harshly. Does that mean I'm gonna tell him to shut the fuck up like you two did? Grow up.
Disney animation is like the finely constructed model airplane in the display case. Don Bluth animation is the toy airplane you actually get to play with.
My little brother had just turned 7 when "Land Before Time" was released. He became obsessed with the movie. I really think it helped prepare him for two years later when our mom was suddenly diagnosed with cancer and died shortly thereafter.
What's sad, Thumbelina, Pebble and the Penguin, and Troll in Central Park were some of my favorite movies when I was a kid
lunattg same here.
Same
lunattg thumbelina was my fav.
The troll in Central Park scared me as a kid. The baby would cry that made me cry.
I also liked Thumbelina as a kid, but that's because it was the only Don Bluth movie I actually owned. I got it from my grandparents. I never saw Pebble and the Penguin or Troll in Central Park, though.
My parents still own all 3 on VHS. I liked all 3 as a child. When I grew up and re wached them, WOW they were not all that great. Not god awful terrible, but not the best... Pebble and Penguin had Tim Curry voice the villain lol. Loved his voice. Troll in Central Park had Dom De Louis voicing the Troll. Loved his song, "Absolutely Green."? Thumbelina I thought was all right. Loved the main song, "Let me Be Your Wings." I can't remember my reasoning, but Thumbelina lacked something... still good in my eyes. :]
Don Bluth is one of the best animators in the world. I think the industry and the rise of CG animated films ruined him. But at least we still have the upcoming Dragon's Lair movie.
Oh that's still happening? Good for him i'd definetly check it out
@@frankjournal340 As far as I know, it's still in production. There's no news on when it's going to be released yet, but hey, knock on wood.
@@michaelstrong5383 hopefully
@Juan Cortez Muro You are so unbearably irritating. Seriously, how many times did you post that comment?!
Don Bluth inspired so many independent artists and studios to dream big and work hard for their chance to shine (SPA studios is a modern successor I can think of).
Disney isn't even doing much 2D anymore, if any. My favorite films were actually the ones the company never talks about, like Atlantis or Treasure Planet, which were so out there and imaginative and funny. Either way, it shouldn't have a monopoly on movie magic. It shouldn't be a black hole swallowing up any competition.
I remember in my childhood, even though Disney movies were of course great to watch, DreamWorks (back when they did 2D) and Don Bluth movies were just as special if not more sometimes. I was really spoiled for choice, and that wouldn't have been as amazing if Disney was the only one that had been allowed to exist.
My favorite movie of all time is An American Tail.
I agree, when I was a kid in the 90s, my favorite animated movies were "The Lion King" and "The Land Before Time", As time passed in the late 90s and early 2000s it was a diverse market where there were animated films to choose from, it wasn't just Disney and I started to get to know Aardman and Studios Ghibli, which were also important films for me.
Disney's magic ended because of its monopoly 😢
Yes it's unfortunate that disney no longer does 2D animation just because "it's not profitable" but they defently could with the kind of money they have.
Exactly they are just lazy and shitting out unoriginal cash grabs
I wonder why anime is doing well then? They need to maybe take a lesson from Japan about story telling and quality art because their's was starting to slip.
They clearly have the technology as we have seen a brief return of 2D animation in the Mary Poppins Returns movie, I demand Disney make a separate studio just for 2D animation.
@@redconvoy anime is doing well because its hand drawn has talented and passionate people working behind it and has good unquie and fresh stories suitible for a wide range of audiences not just kids
Plus the art styles look better than the pure lazy unoriginal uninspiring modern tumblr cal artstyle we have now...
@@Dragonk116 yeah I know but apparently they hired the old disney animators to make that scene up I think most people who work at Disney now are out of touch and don't know how to make 2D as they are so used to working on constant cgi and computer animation.
Plus disney cares more about buying out the competition pushing its agenda and politics down our throats instead of making anything good
The Secret of NIMH is such a classic and one of my favourite movie’s as a kid. Still good as adult as well!
An American Tail is also a really amazing film as well.
Not training newer directors is becoming a pixar problem as well. Instead of cycling through the same few guys.
I NEVER got that Samurai Jack joke till I saw this video. My mind is blown!
I was just thinking about Disney having those lackluster years before their Renaissance. Don Bluth filled the void.
I wish Don was still making movies. He could’ve been the Western Hayao Miyazaki and given Disney their just desserts.
Same here...........who else wanted don to work on studio Ghibli?
Don Bluth also suffered from not knowing what cats looked like. I love this man, Secret of Nihm is one of my favorite movies ever. But damn, his cats look so weird
just ignore that his dinosaurs have eyelashes?
begone blatherskite
I agree. I LOVE Don Bluth, but his cats are so dog like. It's bizarre.
I saw your profile, you have good tastes my friend 👌
An American Tail is Don Bluth's best work. An American Tail is my favorite my favorite movie of all time.
I saw his last film in cinema, Titan AE, and to be honest I loved it, for me is one of my favorites of him. I really am a nostalgic guy, and every time I remember Don Bluth and his films brings me a tear or two. For me and for the rest of the people that saw the magic of is animation, holds a special place in our hearts.
The land before time and an American Tale were my favorites
Mine too! As a 2nd generation American, both movies (but mostly Fievel) both strike home.
Diana Setterby I loved Land before time but American Tale I just wanted feed Fievel to the cats. In fact he's the reason I feed live mice and rats to cats
@lan fortuna Why? Fievel is awesome, and An American Tail in general is a really great film.
David Herrera he's an annoying rat and he beat out Disneys own mouse themed movie the great mouse detective he's just so annoying
David Herrera th-cam.com/video/1HG9igUxx5o/w-d-xo.html
This makes me a little sad. I remember this studio being just as much a part of my childhood as Disney movies. I didn't know the difference. To me, it was just magic. I'll definitely be purchasing these movies for my children some day.
ROCKADOODLE WAS A GEM AND YOU CAN'T CHANGE MY MIND EVER
I'm glad someone agrees with me on this!
Seriously. I couldn't believe he described that as a "bad" film
Rockadoodle was... strange
I rewatched Rock-a-Doodle and I just wish the movie was about Chanticleer and Goldie, not the kid and his sidekicks.
I to like rockadoodle
Land Before Time and All Dogs Go to Heaven are my favorite films, I wish more like them we're made instead of Disney making constant cgi remakes.
Firewolfcaves same !
Yeah right? Movies dealing with heaven and hell, death, and just being kinda frightening... kids movies don't have any balls these days.
@@rachael1090 Some parents don't like it but I think they're good. I watched those when I was 6 and 8 and still watch them as a 14 year old. Either way that comment is hilarious and I personally love it.
Disney is a soulless money grubbing monster at this point. If they ever weren’t.
@@anydaynow True that
So who made "Secret of Nim 2" or did i just imagine the rat concentration camps
Hitler
Wait w h a t
I wanna see that :0
That's a thing??
Dunno who made it but it appeared on the Disney channel many years ago. It is terrible, and I wish it didn't exist.
That was a stand-alone effort from MGM's relatively short-lived second animation department- it was helmed by eventual direct-to-DVD mainstays Paul Sabella and Johnathan Dern (seriously, most of their post-MGM work involved the Bratz dolls). It did a few TV shows (including one for All Dogs Go to Heaven- they also did the theatrical 1996 sequel, with no Bluth involvement- and one called The Lionhearts, where William H. Macy was one of the leads), but ultimately tapered off production before shutting down in 2000. Afterwards, they've done some involvement in animation, with "Igor", "Sherlock Gnomes", and "The Addams Family", all CGI.
No one ever talks about Thumbelina and I feel like I'm a leper for being obsessed with it
Marly Blue my friend hates it. I only hate one part of it and we all know that song. -_-
@@Roadent1241 Im so sorry but I can't bring myself to hate the Charo song XD
@@xx2MuchTimeGURL11xx Is that the one the frogs sing? I'm talking about Marry The Mole.
@@Roadent1241 oh ok I was like pls I know it's problematic but it's a bop. And yeah that song is like... Garbage but I love the voice actress so it never bothered me too much 😂
If you are, you're in good company.
I must have been around 4 or 5 when I was obsessed with the Secret of N.I.M.H. and would always rent it when I was taken to the video store (yep, that old). I was always so moved by the show of love and power of Mrs. Brisby and would cry and cry. I remember one viewing in particular when I was crying at the end and my dad, who is now passed, just held me and asked me why I was crying. I don't think I understood at that age myself why it made me so emotional.
That movie remains near and dear to my heart!
The Land Before Time was a legendary film for my childhood.
Same here
Same here with a few of them. My favourite childhood films my mum said I was addicted Haha
@@conjonsilver_ I think 2-5 were decent. I only saw up to 8
Mine too.
Diana Ross blessed a children's movie w/ one of the greatest theme songs of all time!! Land Before Time was special!!
You mention what "actually happened in history" for Anastasia but you COMPLETELY FORGET that back in the 90s that was still a mystery! That wouldn't be solved until over a decade later! That was part of the appeal of Anastasia is MAYBE she did, we didn't know back then. Now obviously the romance is gone, but initially it was a beautiful thought and tribute in a way.
^This
I think what he meant is that her father and mother were just as evil as Rasputin.
Ya, but even from what we did know, it's very inaccurate. I saw Anastasia in theaters when it came out and even at 10 years old I knew that's not what happened. I mean, I still love the movie, I'm just saying, we did know more then you're elluding to. I actually hate that Disney rewrites so many old fairytale and mythology to make them happy. I was absolutely beside myself when in Hercules they said Hera was his mother. 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
@Matthew Shrubsole simply because some people complain about something does not mean I am not entitled to my own opinion.
@Matthew Shrubsole I never said anyone had to abide by my opinion. I was only stating my own opinion. I'm confused as to your point in this commentary?
I watched "Thumbelina" and "The Pebble and the Penguin" so many times as a child that I still remember the songs (same with "All Dogs Go to Heaven" and "Land Before Time," but the first two I watched waaay more). They were as much a part of my childhood as Disney.
Weird to hear the history behind those movies.
6:28 The main characters for East of the Sun and West of the Moon kinda look like Taran and Eilonwy from Disney's The Black Cauldron
Coincidence? I THINK NOT
I was thinking the exact same thing. I honestly thought saber was showing a still from the black cauldron and was about to say that it had beat don's movie for that year.
Fun facts about An American Tail: Fievel Goes West:
-Don Bluth was not involved with the film
-It was James Stuart's last acting role.
The backstory of the little girl from "all dogs go to heaven" is really really sad
What was it? It’s been literal decades since I’ve seen it 😂
One of the darkest movies I saw as a kid. I found the girl cute too. felt so bad for her.
I remember being very sad after watching that movie... Like being depressed all day. I was was only 8 years old. Kinda of a fucked up movie for kids.
Whats her back story??
Sooo the voice actress that played her was murdered.. I see.
Anastasia was good partially because Fox controled the creation process. Bluth apparently didn't like Anastasia's idea, but they rejected all his other ideas.
Holy Crap! The Secret of NIHM was their first film?? It is a phenomenol masterpiece! And it still holds up today...unlike it's...*ahem* ...sequel.
It's sequel gave me nightmares.
...We don't speak of that.
An American Tail is also a phenomenal masterpiece!
Don Bluth will be releasing a brand new movie next year, Dragons Lair: The Movie. Directing along with Gary Goldman they successfully crowd sourced to finance the film.
I’m not gonna lie, I look back to all of his movies very fondly. They were good and not just the nostalgia factor imo!
I remember being amused, charmed and terrified by The Little Mermaid, but An American Tail was the very first film I recall seeing in the cinema. It was Don Bluth, not Disney, who introduced me to a night at the movies.
"Rock-a-doodle"
YO AYE WHOA Hey there, dude. That's not a bad film.
Don Bluth: Yeah were really getting great
Disney: *Im about to end this mans hole career*
Don Bluth: "My dinosaur movie has a perfect story that doesn't need to go on."
Universal: "It's free real estate."
@@michaelstrong5383 Jajaja Good one
@Michael Strong Jesus
@Juan Cortez Muro I told you, *shut up, Juan! Don't change the topic!*
Hold up, Rock-A-Doodle is a classic and still one of my favorite childhood movies
Bryant Taylor you're the reason why parents shouldn't sniff paint while pregnant
Don't listen to The Four Eyes tuna fish here Rock-a-Doodle is very underrated. It and Pebble And The Penguin where 7.5/10 at worst.
RadicalSonicOtaku are you finished?
@@ianfortuna9385 Your opinion is not more important or better than Bryant Taylor's. Plus you are a trashy person for what you said to him.
K.L. Where you from mr K.L which state?
"So what's Don doing nowadays?" He was in a Nostalgia Critic review :p
Did this man just call rock a doodle a bad film
I said the same thing, wtf. That movie is fantastic!
Rock-a-Doodle is a very very strange movie, but it’s not “bad”.
Yes he did. Its not great, but its not bad
I honestly loved the movie as a kid and still do as an adult. Its not one of don's best films but it was still awesome
I recently rewatched it and I'm still trying to process what the hell was going on lol.
It still looks nice though (well the animation parts), I'll give it that.
What’s funny is that Disney played thumbelina and a troll in Central Park on the Disney channel so I grew up thinking Disney made them.
8teph 8anchez I remember seeing A troll in Central Park on the Disney Channel back around 2001ish, same with “All dogs go to heaven 2”
Troll in Central Park is just the worst
A lot of people think all animation is Disney...smh! :\
@@BadWebDiver Well they own a lot of the animation now lol.
Disney now owns those films
Getting back to his love of Snow White, I always thought the little girl in “All Dogs Go to Heaven” Looks like a child version of Snow White in her rags dress.
The land before time was literally my childhood show. Also I love Secret of NIMH and American Tail!
Maybe with his animated project, he might end up filling a niche that Disney seems to have vacated. With his tendency towards darker films, he might end up getting the fandom of an older audience.
Like primal tartakovski on the oscars
Disney's lost its edge. They won't take risks anymore because they have no real competitors. I remember how raw Disney films were before the 90s. And there used to be many studious which made interesting animated films experimenting with darker themes.
I’m kinda glad he left Thumbelina alone because that was one of my favorite movies as a kid
I feel like Don Blueth is an inspiration and a cautionary tale to anyone who wants to tackle on such professions in the world.
Best of luck to all you fellow writers, animator, artist and everything else under the sun
7:15 That cut harder than Samurai Jack's sword.
Don Bluth films gave me nightmares when I was a kid, but I couldn't stop myself from watching them, they were so amazing.
Not nightmares but some of that shit in his films I'd say fucked me up and exacerbated whatever was already fucked up in me as a child lol 😂
I was exposed to Don Bluth by the demonic, quarter devouring arcade machine known as: Dragon's Lair.
Been in love ever since.
Don's a legend... his art style had a big impact on my own work.
Don Bluth is absolutely incredible, and when you have a legacy of such beautiful things, even downfalls will be overlooked. Even with his films that weren't very good, the animation still held up, and that can make one see even *those* ones as incredible, because with Disney cutting corners and the stupid decisions they make today, Don Bluth fought with his dream till the end: the animation.
He'll never be forgotten and never *really* fall for that, and Disney's continuation into money-hunger is far more of a downfall than the closing of Bluth's dauntless legacy.
(PS, I do still love Disney films, even many of their newer ones and some of the live-action remakes too - I actually quite liked the new Beauty and the Beast even though maaaany others did not - I just don't like their thought process behind it all)
What corners have Disney Animation been cutting? In the current era, they are extremely well funded. Back in the 1960s and 1970s they had to cut corners because feature animation wasn't nearly as big at the box office as it once was or was going to become, and it was mainly Disney that ushered in the new era of popularity and prosperity.
Don Bluth's career: a Inspirational and Cautionary Tale.
The Dragon's Lair Indiegogo was a pitch reel that was then going to be pitched around to studios to get further funding. He released it to his backers a few years ago. Maybe it's floating around online, but rough animation was made for some action scenes, and clean animation was made for the more casual walking and standing scenes. Being able to see a bit of completed animation from Don Bluth's team honestly made it all worth it. It's one thing for a person to have a distinct design style, but to also have a distinct animation style is unforgettable. I hope his pitch, or any other pitch, is successful one day.
I watched NIHM after reading the book. Not too bad for an adaptation honestly. Anastasia is my favorite of his movies btw.
I loved Anastasia but at the same time I also had nightmares about it...
NIMH gave me nightmares as a kid
Rest in peace, Judith Barsi.
Rumors say that dragons lair movie might be out in 2020
Jake Ladislaus nah... the Indiegogo thing was most likely a ploy to sell merchandise...
Ive been wondering about that & the whole fundraiser thing. Someone needs to investigate it.
The Nostalgia Critic went out of his way to help advertise it.
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