I main YapYap so I think he should definitely be higher. He has some if my favorite leader powers in the game, such as the beam, gruntdome, and surprise party. Heavy grunts work wonders when countering air. His grunt mechs have the strongest heal in the game by far, and you get three of them. He has the strongest locust in the game when you used methane wagons and methane party. Cannon fodder can be used as the front lines of an early rush to cover your grunt riders and heavy grunts. He is by far my favorite leader in the game.
I was just thinking to that heavy grunts are better for capturing and what not over cannon fodder but you can stack multiple fodders on a single resource so its not an issue. I think where Yap shines the most is early game and late game because if he has all his upgrades and drops he's annoying and near unstoppable, early game he's got massive heals and ability to push armies back with ease with just a cannon fodder heavy grunt combo alone (I've done it many times) and the brute riders are just so nice for stunning and blowing up buildings, better than jump pack brutes at times. Methane buff is also insane too, so methane wagons are definitely not a waste if you're trading out your mine for it early game, just gotta micro them efficiently and not let them get targeted.
yeah yap yap is my main, an amazing character works so well with colony. I have my GF rush Goliaths while i rush cannon fodder and heavy grunts by 3-4 minutes into the game you have an 80 cap army with 6-7 Goliath at your base
The amount of times I have used the temporary invulnerability from the Bulwark to counter vultures nuking my base or a teammates base makes Atriox one of my faves to run.
This is going to be a hot take, but i think yap yap is bottom of A, top of B. I think he is super overrated. I’m a jerome main so it sucks seeing him low, but I totally understand. Late game I do think he is a top 5 leader, but those are just my bias thoughts. Same with Serina. In a turtle her powers are numbers crushing. Those cryo/pulse strikes are deadly. The list feels very tech 1 orientated, but i get it. A lot of games are decided tech 1. Overall i’d say its accurate. Great video! Would love to see more like these. Discussion based.
What stops serina being higher is the powers cost two points, but I think when the game becomes a long one, being able to combine a freeze with your teammates nuke, then freeze again is really OP
Yap Yap is godly in 1s. You can't play with more than one yap yap in 2s or 3s because of his AVERAGE T1! He does not have a weak T1. You can have 5 cannon fodder at all your opponent's minis and main while working towards T2 and building choppers/heavy grunts to counter rushes. Yap Yap is S tier. Especially in 1s.
I am kinda confused. The last time I checked everybody put Voridus and Colony in S without question. The game doesn't change anymore. How is it so different? I mean I get Shipmaster. He was called shit until people started using him properly
Voridus is S tier Arbiter and Shippy are A tier Colony, Atriox, Decimus, Forge, Cutter, and Yap Yap are B tier in that order Johnson, Isabel, Anders, Serena, Pavium, and Jerome are C tier also in that order Kinsano sucks but she's cheddarful and also weirdly allright against Cutter and Yap Yap. In teams switch Johnson and Cutter. That's the tier list. Moving on.
I dont even really play this game anymore but unless something changed in the last like 1,5-2 years arbiter B tier might be the most ridiculous take ive ever heard and the best example of a skill issue 😂
yap yap i think is strong but a very match up leader if your going against vordius, serina, atriox, cutter 1v1 your done for their tier 1s are way better and he has to play extremely defensive to not just die
The problem is that you haven't defined any objective measures for defining what constitutes a strong commander. You need to set criteria. There are 3 tiers of gameplay. There are heroes. There are special units. There are Hero Powers. No criteria means this is all subjective and you will spend too long (1hr 20 mins) arguing on who goes where. Do it again but set some criteria. For example. Tier 1. Tier 2. Tier 3. Hero Powers in each Tier of the game. Hero Power's as they evolve through the tiers. Etc.
Kinsano in F tier is crazy man. She’s easily one of the best UNSC leaders. Her unit drops, turret drop, hellcharge, and inferno are all insane. She’s basically cutter with more damage. Only thing that puts her slightly below Cutter is that Cutter’s passive infantry speed boost is just SO powerful. Inferno plus her hero flame wall stripping bases is one of the most annoying strats in the game to try to counter
She absolutely is not Cutter with more damage. She lacks raid, a spartan, mines, and hogs. Her infantry loses VS Cutter, therefore you have a weaker T1, you'll lose T2 cause of flame hogs, and you'd end up losing the vet 2 tank to Jerome, and Cutter has ODST and big drop.
You're probably right. It was kind of a cop out on our part because he struggles in 1v1 and pros consider him to be bad. But in team games he can be quite OP
anders is an f, if she's on the other team she's a free win, if she's on my team we usually lose. That might be more of an inditement on the people who play her vs her actual rank.
You guys are great at letting eachother finish their sentences and making their points xD nice tier list though
I main YapYap so I think he should definitely be higher. He has some if my favorite leader powers in the game, such as the beam, gruntdome, and surprise party. Heavy grunts work wonders when countering air. His grunt mechs have the strongest heal in the game by far, and you get three of them. He has the strongest locust in the game when you used methane wagons and methane party. Cannon fodder can be used as the front lines of an early rush to cover your grunt riders and heavy grunts. He is by far my favorite leader in the game.
I was just thinking to that heavy grunts are better for capturing and what not over cannon fodder but you can stack multiple fodders on a single resource so its not an issue. I think where Yap shines the most is early game and late game because if he has all his upgrades and drops he's annoying and near unstoppable, early game he's got massive heals and ability to push armies back with ease with just a cannon fodder heavy grunt combo alone (I've done it many times) and the brute riders are just so nice for stunning and blowing up buildings, better than jump pack brutes at times. Methane buff is also insane too, so methane wagons are definitely not a waste if you're trading out your mine for it early game, just gotta micro them efficiently and not let them get targeted.
yeah yap yap is my main, an amazing character works so well with colony. I have my GF rush Goliaths while i rush cannon fodder and heavy grunts by 3-4 minutes into the game you have an 80 cap army with 6-7 Goliath at your base
@@hunteradams5323 yeap. Having someone that has a strong mid game makes up for yap yaps weak mid game
I don't even play Halo Wars 2 enough to make this relevant but man, this tier debate was Aristotle worthy
Sean and Alex as UNSC vs Skynard and Bonkai as Yapp Yap
Yes make the happen double cutter bs double yap
Now this is a tier list. Thk u Ed
What about my thanks
@@seanisgoneThanks Sean you give good helpful advice that nobody ever listens to
This is my favorite tier list video of all time, random. Good work boys
Oh Ed, i thought you left Team Respawn
I had help, the guys showed me the way.
make a tierlist of units please
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The amount of times I have used the temporary invulnerability from the Bulwark to counter vultures nuking my base or a teammates base makes Atriox one of my faves to run.
Oh yeah, that makes Trox one of the best turtle leaders
There are no bad leaders, only bad players. Every leader has strengths and weaknesses, if you know them you can adopt.
Wrong there are leaders with better leader powers and leaders to spawn
@@oidotsuc5165 that is your incorrect opinion.
@@davidcarter6659 how?
Only my opinions are correct, this is my channel and I make the rules.
Call me crazy but I’m a Pavi guy
This is going to be a hot take, but i think yap yap is bottom of A, top of B. I think he is super overrated.
I’m a jerome main so it sucks seeing him low, but I totally understand. Late game I do think he is a top 5 leader, but those are just my bias thoughts.
Same with Serina. In a turtle her powers are numbers crushing. Those cryo/pulse strikes are deadly.
The list feels very tech 1 orientated, but i get it. A lot of games are decided tech 1. Overall i’d say its accurate. Great video! Would love to see more like these. Discussion based.
What stops serina being higher is the powers cost two points, but I think when the game becomes a long one, being able to combine a freeze with your teammates nuke, then freeze again is really OP
I think the point of yap is to force opponents to waste resources T1
Give kinsano special cyclops units with a left arm flamethrower makes sense lore wise and would be a good unit for her
nah she's good enough, I feel like the leaders are pretty balance at this point.
Yap Yap is godly in 1s. You can't play with more than one yap yap in 2s or 3s because of his AVERAGE T1! He does not have a weak T1. You can have 5 cannon fodder at all your opponent's minis and main while working towards T2 and building choppers/heavy grunts to counter rushes. Yap Yap is S tier. Especially in 1s.
What does Pavi’s Y ability actually do?
It slows / debuffs / damaged the target
i think it slightly differs in 1v1 oppose to 2v2 n 3v3 right
100% I'm not a 1s player but its definitely different without a team to pull you out of the shit
Sirena is literally the only leader that can 1v3 idk wtf you guys was on! She's literally the most op leader
You can 1v3 with any leader if you're going against people who allow a 1v3 to happen
I am kinda confused. The last time I checked everybody put Voridus and Colony in S without question. The game doesn't change anymore. How is it so different? I mean I get Shipmaster. He was called shit until people started using him properly
The meta changes more than you'd imagine, people come up with different ideas and builds then the consensus shifts
Colony surprisingly is not as OP as people originally though. Vori has his pros and cons but not many people play him anymore.
@@seanisgone I am surprised Cutter made such a comeback
@@jonathans.955 cutter is pretty much #1
@@seanisgone I have no idea how to play him tho😂
i miss profet of regret from halo wars 1.
Me too 😥
Cutter: A
Atriox: S
Everyone else: B
Arbiter: D
Arby always gets the D when Sean plays him
One on one I agree with this. Team based probably makes it a little harder to judge
Shippy is basically minato
Anders is a beast for firefight mode. You need a AA player tho
Yeah, can't beat a load of siege for FF! 🫡
Voridus is S tier
Arbiter and Shippy are A tier
Colony, Atriox, Decimus, Forge, Cutter, and Yap Yap are B tier in that order
Johnson, Isabel, Anders, Serena, Pavium, and Jerome are C tier also in that order
Kinsano sucks but she's cheddarful and also weirdly allright against Cutter and Yap Yap.
In teams switch Johnson and Cutter. That's the tier list. Moving on.
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Sean has spoken
@@EdGreenallGames Since when do you agree with Seanagone infinity?
I dont even really play this game anymore but unless something changed in the last like 1,5-2 years arbiter B tier might be the most ridiculous take ive ever heard and the best example of a skill issue 😂
yap yap i think is strong but a very match up leader if your going against vordius, serina, atriox, cutter 1v1 your done for their tier 1s are way better and he has to play extremely defensive to not just die
The problem is that you haven't defined any objective measures for defining what constitutes a strong commander. You need to set criteria. There are 3 tiers of gameplay. There are heroes. There are special units. There are Hero Powers. No criteria means this is all subjective and you will spend too long (1hr 20 mins) arguing on who goes where. Do it again but set some criteria. For example. Tier 1. Tier 2. Tier 3. Hero Powers in each Tier of the game. Hero Power's as they evolve through the tiers. Etc.
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You got a meme reply but you're 100% correct
Kinsano in F tier is crazy man. She’s easily one of the best UNSC leaders. Her unit drops, turret drop, hellcharge, and inferno are all insane. She’s basically cutter with more damage. Only thing that puts her slightly below Cutter is that Cutter’s passive infantry speed boost is just SO powerful. Inferno plus her hero flame wall stripping bases is one of the most annoying strats in the game to try to counter
She absolutely is not Cutter with more damage. She lacks raid, a spartan, mines, and hogs. Her infantry loses VS Cutter, therefore you have a weaker T1, you'll lose T2 cause of flame hogs, and you'd end up losing the vet 2 tank to Jerome, and Cutter has ODST and big drop.
Kinsano had potential now shes just a rush or bust character
Is there any leader that fails to finish games based on the strength of other characters
After all of the uploaded Jerome videos, he's in C tier? I stopped watching after this, completely inadequate rank.
Oh no! 😥
You're probably right. It was kind of a cop out on our part because he struggles in 1v1 and pros consider him to be bad. But in team games he can be quite OP
@@seanisgone Yeah I mean once he gets those mastodons going he is very strong.
idk Ed I feel like Anders deserves B. I understand her leader wheel isn't the greatest but her t1 is really nice with her R&D
R&D doesn't do that much that leader is carried by the big sentishnizzle, Douglas, and siege.
anders is an f, if she's on the other team she's a free win, if she's on my team we usually lose. That might be more of an inditement on the people who play her vs her actual rank.
Man I didn't realize how much i sucked at Halo Wars 2 after hearing this.
Yeah, me too 😂
Forge is S tere. Accelerated Assembly and the economy and salvage. Full pop of vultures or hornets in no time. Noobs build grizzlies
Anders should be f tier not kisano.
Kisano is A- B+ just because she is weak against beams and can be an expensive. Leader wheel can be played many ways to counter or on offense.
Papaya Mr.Ed
Pavium shouldn't be B tier. C at most
This game is pay to win
The Blitz mode is, the more packs you have the more your cards level up
you all talk over each other too much