Hydronic Radiant Floor Heating in a VAN - GHOST II Build
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- When I decided to build a second van I wanted to have some of the best systems I could think of. Heated floors while also heating the air and having on demand hot water is a system that is a luxury but also a needed thing if you're living full time like I am.
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I'd love to share prices with everyone but I have to respect Van Life Tech and if you'd like pricing you can contact one of the upfitters or the admin at Van Life Tech. I apologize for the inconvenience. For a list of upfitters near you please email Van Life Tech at info@vanlifetech.com
You said you would post links to the upfitters. Please do so when you get a chance. I'm in Atlanta here. Thanks!
@@Monomorphic I definitely will. I just posted this video and I'm waiting on the list to come my way. I know of one person on the east coast that is probably going to comment back to you as well that can do a install
is the secretive pricing because it will vary amongst the upfitters? trying to decide if it's worth the wait...since it has to be done first and there is really no information about it - pricing or otherwise. i'm willing to drive to an upfitter so i'm waiting on that list :)
@@daratatum6111 pricing isn't secretive, it's uncertain. There are many, many variables to consider and this is how it works in the world of goods and services beyond storefront consumerism.
@@sp10sn i agree. but they did mention a DIY kit (thus the storefront consumerism you mention) for the system so i thought perhaps a set $ amount for that could be discovered. sounds like things aren't quite ready for prime-time just yet.
Any competent DIYer does not need this "secret" system, but hey not everybody is a competent DIYer so more power to him.
Yeah, super-secret lol. Fing, please.
2:11 under 70 Watt radiant floor heating system. That’s insane.
For the circulating shower he says 1.5 Gallons 20 minutes (which is a huge win for van life). Interesting.
I love the specs shared in this video.
I have a high tech mostly electric Smart school bus tiny home I am going to build… I think I’m going to use Van Life Tech’s assistance.
Thank you Jarrod Tocci for your inspirational video 💪🏽
Only one inch thick for the floor heating system is a feat. Humble Roads TH-camr also just installed a radiant floor system - he is worth following too, and I would like him to know what you all are doing too.
Calm down mate it isn't a nuclear fusion reactor your installing 😂
Exploding floor? Not for me.
Right? It’s hot water being circulated around. The only thing close to nuclear fusion reactor is the engine 🙄
I am happy for Troy's success, but a two year installation waiting period, no DIY product, and all the secrecy is very frustrating. Great video!
Sorry for the misunderstanding but it's not a 2 year wait. He personally is booked for 2 years. His upfitters can install them
Jarrod Tocci - GHOST I want Troy to do same thing for me like he did for you. How can we youtubers use his services like you did?
@@JarrodTocci In Canada too ?? sure not ! Some also dont have the money but they might have the skills to learn though its every ones right to protect their secret but only the fortunate geographically and financially will be the winners
Let's hear it for wisconsin, whoop, whoop!
roughly how much do these systems cost? and the hot water is on-demand, correct? The tank is just to store the 4 gallon and anything after 4 would be instant?
Hot water is on demand. The 4 gallon is to get it instant is all but after that it remains hot. It's best to email them on price vanlifetech.com but roughly $13k
Thanks for the info looks like the way to go All I need now is a sprinter 😂
2 times I have emailed Troy's company to see if I could have the infloor heating and the recirculating shower kits sent to Canada and if so what the cost would be with no response. Its been about 3 wks to a month ago now.
I understand your concern. I know someone will get back to you. Not sure about Canada yet but next time I talk with him I'll mention it
Hi Debbie - the only inquiry we have for you was on 5/8 and we responded to you on 5/13 - check your junk mail as responses do come from an actual person - not the “info@“ we use as the inbound address. We will ship to Canada. You are on our radar.
@@soggyshorts2003 Thank You Troy I still don't see it in my spam either, but I believe you!! Happy to know you will ship to Canada.. Will let you know after I have purchased my van. Thank You again..
Just keep in mind gas fired equipment in Canada requires Canadian approvals.
This is awesome. I have always wondered if that could be done. Can’t wait to hear your assessment of your new van heating system.
Thank you. This video is a few years old but this heating was the BEST heating I’ve had, not just in a van but life. I took this van to Canada is late fall and slept very comfortably in 0 degrees outside and toasty 70 inside. I liked this heating so much I decided to build a tiny home and be the only person to put the same system in my tiny home too. My opinion is 2 things you should invest in a van/tiny build and that’s power and heating
That video is exactly what I wanted to see, when you told me that you couldn't do any details on it. And I asked you to show us as much as you CAN show, and this is great. THANKS!!! Jayman...
I will tell you with carpet, I never got cold feet. I used to have a travel trailer, propane heat, it would get way too hot. This is a cool idea, but it would not be a priority for me. 'Course, I'm in Cali, where if it gets in the 40s, we are ready to pack it in.
There are many industries that you can look to and see examples of designs being made open and available to everybody while the company who developed them remains quite profitable. I don't see any reason why it can't be the case here.
I think it would be cool if You guys (Jarrod and Troy) could release or let us know the system requirements of your hydronic heating (spelling?). For example I believe it requires a webesto or some kind of diesel heater, right? Another idea is to lock away the DIY build behind a paywall and then only send paper instructions or write a DIY ebook to sell explaining the details so we can at least get a ballpark idea, and lets be honest, a lot of people would buy the book and probably not even read it fully or decide it "looks too hard", only a true DIY person would attempt something like this anyways. Just some thoughts, enjoy. Again I think if people understood the system requirements or had a ballpark number, you would save yourself a lot of time and hassle, with people emailing you, etc.
We are working together in the future.
That is going to be an amazing system I hope you get the shower system as well. #gamechanger
Troy's a genius building a rocket to Mars. It's a fucking combi boiler. Where do we buy one that's the right dimensions to fit in a van. You ain't the only fitter and gas guy on the planet. You certainly can't do all the installations yourself.
Probably don’t want to show us because all it is is pex tubing run on the floor? Good luck with that patent.
Do you have a link for this heating system? The links in the description are too confusing.
This not a "DIY build series." This is a well-done infomercial for an OUTRAGEOUSLY expensive heating system
And you're judging that off 1 video of said series 🤔 and yes I believe in a product enough that I want to share it. Also don't knock it until you try it. Yes it's expensive, but for example if you drive a Honda it gets the job done that you need with 4 wheels, engine, etc. So why do people go out and buy cars like Mercedes and Audi? It's because it's luxury and better engineering and that's what this heating system is. Is it for everyone? No, but it's the best of the best in regards to heating
@@JarrodTocci No, I've watched as many videos as I can on this 'proprietary' technology. I've gone as far as building my own system based on my research and text books I've hunted down. This system is terribly overpriced plane and simple. My feet are toasty and my van is warm at a fraction of the price. It's a status symbol for all the new #vanlife tourists. But it's not a system that us long time van dwellers would ever consider buying
@@derekcraig3617 I'm not doubting you made a system yourself. I've watched many attempt, a few have failed, a few have made it but in my opinion no where close to what this system does. To each their own and I hope you have a good system yourself. I don't feel I need to justify the price but I do know a lot is labor and that's obvious. Of course you didn't charge labor on yourself. Lastly I'll say there are products and companies out there today claiming a hydronic radiant floor system but I also know he didn't use any of those products. His, again my opinion, is just far superior to the others on the market. Stay warm
@@JarrodTocci My labor for installation labor was not $5-6k worth of time. Even at $100/hr shop charge... That's my point. I am prett sure this system is better than mine but I will never truly know because y'all are so damn secretive about it and ain't nobody in their right mind gonna throw down thst kind of coin to try it out. Unless they're rich...
@@derekcraig3617 the only secret is how they lay the pipe in the floor and the motherboard to tie it all together. Everything else there's no secret and I think they even show a lot on their website now. There's also a 3 year warranty too which so many like and pay for. Again their target audience isn't someone doing a 15k build and they don't shy away from that. You'd be shocked if I told you how many of these systems go out monthly so obviously they are doing something right
Say hydro ionic one more time. Say it one more time.
So, an average draw of 30 watts. At 12v, that is 2.5 amps or 60 amps in 24 hours. That is an amazingly small draw to keep a van warm.
30 watts is not enough to heat a van. The heat comes from diesel consumption. This is an epic solution if you either live somewhere gas is cheap, or you got cash (which probably is true if you bought this in the first place).
@@bistrovogna The hydronic system is heated by electricity, no diesel involved
@@johnsexton3841 In that case this is a revolution. I thought it was 30 watts average (24-50 watts) for water/ coolant pump and keeping the Espar Hydronic S3 equivalent running, of course with shore power it would be no diesel consumption since you could heat coolant and water that way.
John Sexton that is false. It is heated by the diesel in the tank and the 30 watts is from the control system, pumps and whatnot
@@tkennedy I only heard said that it was electric for both the hot water used for the sinks and the hydronic floor. No mention of diesel.
Sounds to expensive....
Probably like 10-20k installed. More than my entire build
I thought about this recirculating shower. Just use dual shower heads, extra gray water tank and dual close off drains going through a water heater and associated filters/uv light. Easy and redundancy. So he’s booked for 18 months so I wonder how long to get something fixed. Sounds a bit too complicated. More about a/c though as I live in the south. :)
He has upfitters that can do any maintenance or installs. The recirculating isn't that simple, sorry.
Jarrod Tocci thanks for the reply, yeah I over simplified it but the concept makes sense. Did I miss the list of installers?
@@clintroberts1 haven't put them up yet sorry. I'll pin the comment and put in description. Waiting on list is all. I know one on the east coast if you are there
I feel like zero people in the van life community are actually honest about what this stuff actually cost. I wonder why that is?
Good question. Me personally i don't like talking about things i've bought and what they cost. People tend to naturally be jealous and say things that can be hurtful. It's almost like human nature idk.
Seriously, just contact the company that did the install. Prices are subject to change
Because there are too many variables. Plus a few van dwellers do share prices.
This seems like the way to go for heat & hot water on board. Best wishes in your various business ventures!
Somebody needs to come up with a van that is longer than the extended version w/ tandems 2 single rear wheels or 1 dual w/ single load wheel, so instead of 292 length 312 length or better it's a ideal similar to the Hennessy trucks pickup truck except it will be for the better
What is the physical size of the heater unit he's working on? Wondering for purposes of planning the layout to see if it fits.
The mechanical parts take up about a under the sink cabinet worth of space
Good video Jarrod i've been waiting to see a video with Troy. Tell him to patent that recirculating shower system to install in homes and he'll never have to work again. Later
Great. Now I gotta go to wherever Troy is and bribe him to put me at the front of the line...
ExyleCage depending on where you're located, I could do an install of this system. I'm Troy's East coast based installer.
@@aslids are you located near new hampshire?
I'm loving this build. From the looks it's a lot of ideas that I have going into one van!
i know of something that you could incorporate into your van builds or for other peoples builds for an off-grid water supply. search for NRG atmospheric water generator. it apparently can make 10 litres of water in 24 hours. but i would expect less than that, especially in less humid areas. it runs at 40w and comes with a little solar panel. it costs $200 us.
that water tank over the wheel well - where can I get it and what does it cost? thanks
Northwest conversions is the company that makes them. I don't get any kickback but let them know you saw it in my van. When I bought mine it was $225 plus shipping which can range depending on location. One of my best buys!
Innovative! I want this in my tiny house!
cool, looking at External ESPAR system piped inside to floor/tanks and hot water heat exchanger. Boot Dryer Pipes as well.
@Jarrod, I thank God ur going with a Murphy bed, that sprinter is waaaay to narrow!!
Catherine DiPrima Jarrod - Put your shower in the very back “under the bed” and use shower curtains coupled with a bed that raises (electric zero gravity bed with head tilt too). Have a TV come from the side wall to center or do pop up TV from the foot of the bed. Gonna work on getting the cash to build my van idea hopefully soon. If you do a front shower they take up a lot of room. If I did so upfront I would have my clothes on a slide out to the center area and slide back in after I dried the shower off.
The equipment looks rather large so I'm assuming the radiant heating is not available for smaller scale vans like Ford Transit Connects, Nissan NV200's, or similar size vehicles, correct? Hope you develop a smaller scale system some day!
I think currently it’s in larger vans but they have put it in smaller rigs. Just not to the public. So it’s possible they could
I'm not out there yet. I saw a water recycling system in a van. Had an idea in a class C could you recirculate gray water somehow to use in toilet then have larger black tank? It would be even better if you could recirculate through shower again then toilet. You may need to increase black tank and you still need to dump black tank. Just wondering not asking for you to design just do you think it would be possible/good idea?
Definitely interesting idea. Not sure how many would be ok with recirculating a black tank but if it's possible then why not.
That seems like a lot of plumbing. Not a criticism, just an observation. Looks fantastic. 👍
Is there a life expectancy of the hose network and how easy is under floor repair/replacement if needed?
Unless I have a unknown Rich great-uncle that died somewhere and leave me a bundle, I would probably have to forego the floor.
Really looking forward to the video on the recirculating shower. That is something that might be extremely useful for me.
Michael RS you might find it just as easy to put a carpet down honestly...
@@AaronGeller yeah, I have no clue, that's why I was curious. I mean I have a clue about putting carpet down, but not so much about this. 😄
I was just kind of wondering, after the van is completely built, how access would be to the floor plumbing if needed.
Michael RS I don’t imagine it would be very easy but it depends on how you build it. Most people don’t even have heated floors in their homes (Holland, MI actually has heated sidewalks during the winter) so it is a luxury. I used foam tiles and my feet didn’t feel cold at all
Great question. The pipes should be good for the lifetime of the van. The system itself I'm told needs to be flushed every 5 years which is easy to do. Yes it's definitely a luxury item but living in a van for 2 years without I felt it's one of the best buys I could of done. Cold months (depending on area) can be tough on someone and waking up with a near frozen floor is not fun at all. I read someone suggested a rug which is fine but I felt this was worth the money. Always this is just my opinion :)
@@JarrodTocci Hey Jarrod! Can you do a video on modular design vs more permanent installations like this here? In other words the risks and benefits of turning your van into a small castle while it is still a relatively small vehicle that can be crashed or stolen? If let' say on the opposite extreme, you have a small Mr. Buddy heater and your van is crashed into, you can just pick it up and throw it into another vehicle. This complex system in this video, however, is a big investment that is more permanently tied to that particular vehicle. In your case, where you do urban stealth, it's an even higher risk because of the craziness of the city traffic. A school bus parked in BLM most of the time wouldn't be so much of a worry because it's sturdy and away from other traffic. So, can you make a video about the trends that you see in this aspect of van building, any solutions to this problem, custom insurance, etc?
Is that an over the wheel well water tank?
Is there a way to drastically reduce the height of the floor?
Yes that's a over the wheel well tank, it's 22 gallons and bought from Northwest conversions. About the floor height you could go with a thinner insulation but they recommend using what I did or a little smaller. In reality you're only raising the floor 2" or 1.5"
Water is 8 pounds per gallon.
Jarrod Tocci I’m 6’3” raising the floor 3” and lowering the ceiling 3” and all of a sudden I can’t stand up in the van
Scott Slotterbeck what does that have to do with anything? Actually the weight of water is directly proportional to the solutes dissolved in it and 8lbs is only a rough estimate but I don’t see what that has anything to do with what we are talking about
Point of interest, Daryl, for weight distribution. I'm sure it is of no interest you, but weight distribution is critical to handling. It can actually be a matter of life or death, but I'm sure you know everything there is to know.
Jarrod thank you for sharing this with us. I saw Tiny Watt Solar interview on another channel along with their shower and had so many questions about how this worked. Jarrod, when you do your shower can you do it without having a full height shower closet? I’d love to use a kitchen faucet with the head extension and create a pan space without a dedicated shower closet.
Recirculating showers are being done elsewhere as well - showerloop.org - and we really need it in every house in the world. The billions of gallons of nearly drinking quality water we just flush out of our houses on an on-going basis is incredibly wasteful. Same thing with toilets, composting or incinerating units in every house would save countless gallons of fresh water use that's completely unnecessary. And many areas of the world are already feeling the pinch with water, in some areas it's already disaster time. Replacing our showers and toilets with water use friendly options would help a lot in curbing water waste.
Agree with everything you're saying. The shower loop is a good product but meant more for homes. I hope anyone designing a new home or redoing a bathroom would consider this. The one I'm putting into my van is run off 12v so a little different but also same thinking
Personally after reading the comments I think something like an Eberspacher diesel night heater which is in my van, is much more efficient plus toasty warm in no time.
This underfloor heating system I found out from the comments uses diesel as well.
Your heater puts out either 4000-6000btu. This one puts out 18,000. It's a 2 stage system
@@JarrodTocci 2900 up to 7500btu but I get what your saying.
I guess it's all relevant.
A well insulated van I would have thought would only need around 7500btu at most.
Mines poorly insulated, drafty and set to
High in dead of winter I need to turn it down or it's overpoweringly too hot, UK though.
I guess if you need the extra btu's then better to have them.
What's the price difference between an Eberspacher and your setup though as this could be the sting in the tail.
Is it moderately cheap and simple enough to service yourself?
Your vans a really nice home Jarrod, the bed is ace by the way! Sometimes sacrifices have to be made though as I think I remember in one of your videos saying you had a Murphy bed in a bachelor flat/pad and didn't like the hassle of it.
I have to make my bed up, it's a pain, yours is easier!
Seating area is important to me too though.
Greetings from the UK 🙂🙃🚐👍
Excellent!
I am actually in the process of installing a similar DIY system. I was curious as to it going beyond theory lol. Apparently it works amen. Thanks!
Think it’s possible to set this hot water and radiant floor system on a pro master? Like under mount a 5 gallon diesel tank and glycol Rez?
I’m located in Portland and I want this in my van.
I’m getting a a/c system for my van that runs off batteries.
Where are they located in Portland Oregon?
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good luck with that. Hope that are big batteris and you have a great solar/shore charging solution
Jesus. Why does every youtuber think they're a comedian. I just want to see what your title lead me to believe was in your video.
Just curious, besides using diesel instead of propane, how is this system so different from the Alde?
11:25 confused: why heat the whole floor when 1/2 the floor is covered by storage? He did not explain why not heat only the space you walk on?
This system also radiates heat into the air, therefore the floor is actually heating your whole van. So if you have more fluid in the piping in the floor then more gets heated and can heat your van easier. If you have truck space, like under a bed off the back doors, then you definitely want that heated because if you're somewhere cold then you don't want anything in that space to freeze like power system or water tanks, etc.
I want to know more about that shower! Is there a video showing any prototypes?
Not yet. Unfortunately my shower will probably be the last part I do on my build. It's going to be the most complicated and I also have to be in Portland to do it so I need to travel for that section.
You can search for it. These seem to all be prototypes. Except, of course, on the ISS. Contact NASA. They can probably build you one for $40 million...
Hey Jarrod - Stewing on the idea of recirculating hot water from a Bosch water heater through a short run of pex lines under the floor in the galley kitchen area - do you think that would be effective at all in providing some warmth to vinyl flooring if you were up skiing in the mountains? My planned build is for a weekender (battery drain not a worry) so this would be simply a comfort addition to knock the cold edge of the floor in addition to a Espar/Webasto fuel heater. Cheers and keep up the good work on the videos!
I don't think so because those heaters are designed to keep water warm inside of them. You'd have to use some sort of heat exchanger and then also regulate the temperature. To be honest I'm not that trained in floor heating and that's why I had Troy on this video. There are many others attempting this method but run into a lot of problems when it comes to certain aspects
I saw -42F during the polar vortex in central MN during the polar vortex.
I just came across this video. I don’t see where any upfitters were listed. And there’s none on their website. Are they still working with affiliates?
will this system work with a recirculating shower?
With the one that VanLife tech designs yes it will. I'm planning on getting that as well
So can you tell about the venture tape on the floor and why the boards are in pieces?
has anyone use the radiant system in the walls too?
What do you have to do to prep the floor before they install radiant floor heat? so you insulate it first or do they just go with bare metal floor?
There's a insulation process but because there's a proprietary system done I can't say the step by step method of it
@@JarrodTocci ok so all of that is part of the install. Cool just making sure I have everything set up or not as the case may be. Thanks
For sure. I've been told that the floors have to be one of the first things installed because you can't really install after other certain things are in place
Is the "hose" rubber or stainless steel? Does it have a lifespan? Can it ever leak?
its just pex under the alumunim tape. lots of vids show how 2 do it. or patented rocket science...
Great video. Needs an update
what stops the unfloor heater from freezing ?
It's filled with a type of antifreeze
Pretty much all radiant systems use stuff like ethylene glycol. Antifreeze. No freeze worries.
No list of affiliates, except east coast one?
It is a system designed by him...there are other van builders that design thier own water systems...if it is not diy im out .study plumbing systems then design one thats all he did.
Lmao. There is nothing specIal about this system. If you know what your doing you can build your own the same or better. Lmao. As long as you have quality parts it’s easy especially for someone like me been building for 30 years with hydronics .
Be my guest and give it a try then. I'm not saying it can't be done by someone else, of course it can. But someone that has worked with hydronics for 30 years should know that most don't know. Just because I know how to change my oil doesn't mean I'm going to do it myself. You should also know there's much more to this system then hydronics and laying the pipe in the floor is definitely not as easy as everyone thinks. But like I said give it a whirl if it makes you happy
To build a well integrated well tested reliable system isn't easy.
There are so many stupid things about this comment i'm not even sure where to start.
yes yes yes game changer right here! cheers from French Alps
Awesome. Glad you watched it. I know Van Life Tech is starting to do international orders now too if you're interested!
I am not a competent person and cannot and do not want to DIY but I know they’re allowing people to diy it now but like no warranty
Hey. Say hi to Troy. This is Pablo from Big Sky. We used to teach skiing together.
Sure will. Thanks
Is this a 12 volt system or 24 volt system
minnie jolliff 12v - it’s a heater made by Espar
What's the power consumption for this? How taxing is it on the battery? Thanks.
On the highest it probably pulling about 6 amps. But it's rarely on the highest so roughly 3-4 amps. You're probably thinking that's low. It is! That's because it pulls off the gas/diesel tank as a heat source and really the only thing that takes power is the pumps and fans
you never did give the pricing lol...how about a general $ range? also...are you going to add the list of upfitters who can install?
Replied to your other comment also. This is a reasonable request. We have variables to consider on the purchase side as well. Imo, this company isn't ready to meet broad demand. I'm going to study the idea and then continue with my own build.
I got an email from an up fitter about 6 months ago and the price for a lwb Transit installed was $12,500.
@@dattran6372 if accurate, that is total insanity.
@@daratatum6111 Pretty sure that's accurate, email was direct from the trained upfitter in Portland area.
@@dattran6372 when you consider the depreciation of the vehicle (and its inherent lifespan) it makes no sense to put a system like this in.
Isnt that a Bosch water heater???? When the smallest size (2.7 gallon') draws 1400 watts, no way this system draws less than 100 watts to do all the heating. Add to that the diesel it consumes which they dont talk about, why would anybody want this?? Get yourself a $500 instant water heater and call it a day.
That tank is just used as a insulated tank. A lot cheaper then building a custom one. We do tap the diesel too. Instant water heater would need propane. Once my shower is installed I'll show it takes very little power plus hot water. My floor heat takes only 50 watts. The other things you might be seeing is made for the hot water system too
@@JarrodTocci Since the Bosch is just a tank, are you saying that you never turn it on and rely on the diesel only? If so then it would alleviate a huge concern. When I saw the Bosch which I've seen in other van builds as the main water heater, it didnt make sense.
@@jamesstevos6059 I can't say for other van builds but for mine it's used as just a tank and there's a heat exchanger to heat the system which is the floor as well as heating the water that passes through for hot water.
I regret buying this kit. It was very expensive & has been very stressful. I can’t wait until it’s over! I cannot recommend this.
Did you buy the DIY version or have a installer put it in? I highly recommend having an installer put it in. I’m not trying to defend the product but you’re judging it off the installation which is not easy, and even says that in this video among other videos too. How about leave a review or your opinion in a few months when it’s middle of winter and the system is running but you’re warm with hot water 🤷♂️ but I get it, you’re frustrated and that’s part of building a van
If need be send me a email and I’ll get you in touch with a installer close to you to maybe help. I don’t like seeing others upset over good things
@@JarrodTocci my son is certified HVAC or I wouldn’t have attempted it. That’s not the main problem(s). The first workshop was cancelled one week before it was suppose to happen in June. 3 months later it is scheduled for this weekend. Poor internet, where ever they are working, Late Start, Unorganized as well. There’s more. I’ve called Troy more than once & never got a call back. His salesman, is the only one that will talk to me. Troy told him he would call me. He never did. I’ve had it 6 months & have been waiting for 4 to get this done with my $ in their bank & a kit sitting in my shed collecting dust. And as you said, you can’t really do anything until this install is done. I could go on …. I’m not happy.
Yeah I would be frustrated too. I know it’s not me but I’m sorry you’re going through this. They just started rolling out there DIY kits so I’m sure they are working out kinks on how it all works for others to install. Again, if you need to email me I’ll try and assist the best I can. Hoping once you turn on the system you can forget about all this heartache
If you are dyi building a fan you can prolly follow instructions...and if not oh well buy another and try again.
As another option you can check out what Humble Road did and build your own radiant floor system. This guy has extremely informative videos about all kinds of stuff regarding van building. I strongly suggest you read all the comments and his responses. He answers every technical question. th-cam.com/video/dxlXywAu1Cg/w-d-xo.html
Glad you decided to still get the recirculating shower Jarrod.
I have to watch more of this video. Mine is done way different. I can't say too much about it but I've seen a lot of floor heating systems and I'm very fortunate that Troy comes from a floor heating/construction background. A system like floor heating I would rather pay a pro for a professional install then trying to do it myself (in my opinion). Could I, or anyone, figure out how to do this? Possibly but for the money and time "wasted" I'm not sure it's worth that. Kinda how I feel on electrical too which is why I hired someone to handle both the the "hard" parts of the build
You always have great informative comments. Thank you!
@@JarrodTocci That makes sense. My comment was more for people who have the aptitude and just need an alternative with instructions.
Hi floor system/ heating / shower ! Is this available in UK ?
If it's not yet it will be soon. Email info@vanlifetech.com for more info and find out when those products will be available there :) Let them know you saw a YT video about it
i saw your tinywatt install video as well. did you calculate the extra power you needed for radient heat when selecting the number of batteries you put in for that?
Yes. It's suggested to have at least 4 batteries with the radiant heated floors. In my opinion 4 lithium batteries is plenty for running everything electric, but I'll find out. When it's winter and I'm running my heater for longer time and throughout the night I might have to be cautious of using my induction cooktop but with that much power I'm not all that worried. As you saw the most watts the floors will draw is 65 watts
@@JarrodTocci ok thanks for confirming.
Do you know if you can use the Radiant heat circuit to heat a shower as well?
I think if you can get the recycling shower working on it, that would save so much room.
@@KhanhNguyen-hz9yp with Troy's system it is on demand hot water and I'll be getting the recirculating shower. I hope to have that installed in August
@@JarrodTocci that's awesome. I'll look out for the video. I think ghost2 is really close to what I want in a van. Thanks for sharing.
Hey @VanRadiant, just to confirm, does it use fuel from the tank and batteries or just the fuel?
I don't get what is there to protect and i really doubt you can get a utility patent. what is the innovation?
The recirculating shower was designed ,built and shared on TH-cam years ago, just sayin……
Honestly the recirculating shower was designed much longer than that. It was put into vans a couple years ago and even shown on my channel about 3 years ago from someone else. BUT what you don't understand, among others, that the ones designed and shown are not like the one he's talking about in this video. A lot of them have been failing badly, just sayin....
@@JarrodTocci maybe you need to re-read my comment?
I said it was designed , built and shared YEARS AGO, not sure how you figure it was longer than that……
@@JarrodTocci love how you assume I don’t understand, people like you crack me up!
okay :-) before I even get through the whole video I want to start by saying how thankful I am that you are creating this product and technique that's needed for us to live sell sustainably and mobile. I have not found a bus or van but I know it has to be either ofthose. The first thing I wrote down on my list of things I wanted to put in it was of course radiant heat...and anything else I can do to convert Sunshine into power or something heated! I love anythingand everything MacGyver ish! Not inspector gadget is but MacGyver is LOL Alright! I'm going to watch the rest of this video and do my best to save all my comments until the end. But I have a a notepad to make jokes I mean notes LOL sorry that will happen a lot.
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Thank YOU!!!
Toastie!
This is very cool and I love it! Not hating at all. I am curious though (without revealing prices) How is the system cost justified over say an Espar heater that is relatively inexpensive that sips the fuel out of the vans fuel tank? Or is it because this doesn’t have to use any fuel and gets it power from the 12v batteries that is powered by solar? Hoping you could give a breakdown on why this system vs a webasto or Espar for your personal heating needs.
Well I almost didn't go with this system. I actually told Troy nope can't do it, and again we are friends! We talked a little and he asked me what heater I'd be going with. I said probably one of the high attitude Espar ones. Then he asked about hot water and I was thinking of the 12v 750w Isotherm. His told me I was going spend roughly $5k on those both, plus installing myself. I took a couple days on thinking about it and figured why not just spend a little more and get the best system out there for heat and hot water
Jarrod Tocci Okay that makes sense if you are getting hot water then. I just bought a new van 6 months ago and converted it (still a work in progress) but I didn’t do a shower in it. So I forget if you have a shower the need for hot water. I always shower at the gym in the morning so I forget about the need for hot water in the van. I’m excited for more videos and when you travel to Boston let me know if you wanna do a Van life meetup in Chicago. I would love to meet some other people and see some other vans when your passing thru. Maybe you can see some new stuff.
Jarrod can you give me an update on how the hydronic floor heat has been working since you've been running it for a few months now? Any issues?
Glad you asked! Zero issues!! It's on a thermostat and will kick on when needed. Taken it into 12° temps and now in socal where it's warm during the day but it seems that mostly everyone hangs in my van at night. I sleep comfortably every night and it truly feels amazing when I get up knowing that I don't need socks or slippers on to walk around in the morning
@@JarrodTocci thanks Jarrod, Troy is coming to Colorado to install mine next weekend. Out last van had infloor heat but it had so many issues. How loud is the heater? Can you hear it from your bed in the back? I suppose it friends in if you are just circulating fluid and or are running the air fan/ radiator?
@@VanGoNow it does cycle on and off but on steady state you can't really hear it or I'm also probably used to it. Not too loud but again I'm used to outside noice. Hear it from inside? Not really but in extreme quite areas then probably. I promise you won't be disappointed! Also I'll be at Colorado tiny fest in May
They need to add heating from the van engine, its just another heat exchanger.
If this system is expensive then why not buy an Aqua Hot?
They do Deisel, Electric and Engine Hydronic Heat + hot water and its all in a single box.
You can buy thy Hydronic COnvectors and radiant flooring from anywhere.
Looks like he must be using smaller 3/8th tubing in the floors? or maybe 1/2 in?
www.aquahot.com/Products/RV.aspx
Jarrod - first of all I appreciate what you do and have been watching for years! I am finally building my own van and would like this system or one similar. Is there any word yet on DIY kits or a list of upfitters? I have already tried to get ahold of VLT directly but unfortunately no response :( are they still in business? I wouldn't be so overly eager about heat and water but as we all know it has to be done first before proceeding with anything else... cheers! hope to hear back from someone (Jarrod or Troy) about all this soon!
Cost 1 mil
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Jose E 😜😂 love it - but take away at least 2 zeros
@@soggyshorts2003 😂😂😂
Jarrod makes a 5 minute video 20 minutes long.
Back then I definitely did 🙃 so I won’t even argue here haha. I’m getting better if that helps as this was filmed in 2019!
I need this floor!
Awesome!
with windchill the temp in my area was -60
Can you do this and have wool insulation
Yes. I did
Jarrod have you checked out Humble Road van builds!
Yes. I have upcoming videos going over a lot when it comes to building vans. I'm not going to rip anyone apart but I will go over a lot of unseen things. Not saying he's a bad builder because I think he has some great ideas! There are some things that need to be shown is all.
recirculating showers are very straightforward to add in..
Are they really? I'm not being sarcastic, but I know that my DYI skills are limited...
@@ImDBatty1 all you need to do is run the recirc water from the drain through an inline filter and UV light to kill the bacteria, and straight back through the shower head. That's essentially it conceptually. I would run mine by using a separate tank for showers, 3-4 gallons, complimented by my main larger tank. Wire a small 12v pump to fill the shower tank from the main tank prior to use, then switch the water heater to draw from the recirc/shower tank. Add a simple flush system to dump the shower tank after every shower or ever few if you'd like, Then switch back to main tank water for sink water. Keep the 2 systems separate with the exception of the pump, and the shower tank is wired to flush and fill from the flick of a switch.
@@TigardMikeR we should talk, as I understood most of what you said there...
Michael Roberts you forgot about reheating the water...
@@aslids "then switch the water heater to draw from the recirc/shower tank."
So that is only electric, right?
Still needs a fuel source to get heat, so that pulls the diesel for the Van fuel tank
I called it!
Excellent!🔥
Leaks?
The system doesn't leak if that's what you're asking
No, it won't leak. Ever. Unless you wreck your van.
what keeps all those BTU's from just heating the cold metal floor of the van?
There are certain types of insulation to prevent that. Like I talked about in the video he spent 3 years doing research and development of this particular floor heating system. But good question!
Whats with all this proprietary/secrecy/exclusive/oversell attitude? Best of luck with your new system.
Thank you. Reason for the proprietary is so no one knocks off the design of certain aspects. The system itself is nothing new as a few have done things sorta like this. Out of respect to Van Life Tech they spent a lot of money and 2 years developing this system to be as perfect as possible so that's why the exclusiveness. Just like most companies they protect their products as well
I suggest he should take some business classes.
Supply and demand.
His business is growing faster than he can provide his services.
He needs to out source more efficiently. And provide DIY kits.
Contact the local Small Business Administration they give classes about $90 bucks.
jeff m We are currently delivering complete kits in 3-5 days coast to coast. Our 1st kit to Denmark 🇩🇰 leaves Wednesday. We have an outlet in Canada and we are currently in talks with UK and Australian up-fitters. Our business plan is purposefully B2B - a single trained Affiliate can install 10-100+ Systems per year while providing info, pricing and service wheras supporting DIY completely throttles my limited bandwidth. Still, I’m a hacker and DIY’er at heart - despite being ‘stupid’ from a business standpoint, I fully support self sufficiency and the DIY movement. 20% of this weeks kits are DIY. If you’re interested - email me. I will get back to you.
@@soggyshorts2003 Good job! You have a Great Product with a potential of making you a millionaire if the business end is done correctly.
I didn't listen to business people in the past and cost me dearly.
Business nowadays talk about "branding" and you have a brand.
"I want one of them heating floors" is your best advertisement.
Sorry if I sounded a little course.
But I want you to do well👍
Peace
Cannot access website.
Any updates?
Awesome system.
info@vanlifetech.com
What kind of updates are you looking for?
@@JarrodTocci wanted to look at website. Wasn't loading. Looking to make my van more liveable. Thanks for info.
@@ALPACABOWLCOMPANY website might be under construction