Really interesting analysis. Feels like next year is the year Rassie will really start to transition to prioritising what he views as the squad for the next Rugby World Cup.
I used to have the mindset that when a player hits 32-34, move on from them. I thought this especially about Sexton and O'Mahoney. I was wrong. Unless there is someone better than them, and as long as they are performing to their usual standards, then age is just a number. Sometimes, a 35 year old like Eben is the better option than a 25 year old who will never be at that level. Some countries will have cycles of good/average players, like Wales is having. South Africa has a conveyor belt of talent, and even at schoolboy level, it is fierce competition to even make it to a pro club, so they look set for the long term. Yes, some players like Kolbe are extra special, but Arendse is no slouch! Honestly, it went from "Who will replace Habana, to who will replace Mapimpi, to who will replace Kolbe, etc". They always have someone, and now that the politics seem to have died down a lot, and players are picked on merit, everyone who comes through is a top player. They genuinely look set to dominate for years to come.
Yeah man I still vividly remember listening to sports radio in NZ before the 2015 RWC and hearing all the callers saying McCaw and Carter were too old....
just to clarify, Eben has only just turned 33 (those 2 years makes a big difference for the next WC 😅), but your point is absolutely spot on. Sometimes you have a special talent coming through that you just have to give some experience to...but unless they're knocking on that door, the stalwarts should still be trusted to do the job
What an analysis, thank you once again bud for all the time and effort. It’s unreal 🙏🙏🙏 Any chance you can put the initials of the players next to the colours 😬😇 Jesse Kriel most game time in the Boks for 2024, what a legend, this is a great stat!
The interesting one is the emergence of Fassi. What he did was actually to extend Willie's career (and maybe end it). Willie was having some serious concussion issues and with Willemse still injured, posed an issue for Rassie. Fassi got the chance and has made 15 his own for now. By doing that, you can protect Willie (whose contribution in the team is still phenomenal as one of the best readers of the game) by giving him limited time on the field, yet keep him in the group. With his concussion risk, it is perfect and thus extending his career, BUT if Willemse returns to full form, it will become a Fassi/Willemse fight for the 15 jumper and no longer a Fassi/Le Roux fight, by implication ending Willie's test career. I am sure Rassie will still guide him through to 100 test caps, but after that, I am afraid is it going to be very difficult to find a actual rugby-merit spot for him. Rassie may keep him around, like a Schalk Brits in the past, just to let players learn from Willie vision and experience.
@@francismyers4556 Why? He has had a couple of chances for the Boks and was a disaster every time. Just like he is with the Stormers. He can have a great game one week and then five horrible ones. Extremely risky player
a good watch thanks!! I would always keep the bar chart colours the same for any player if they are across multiple positions on the same graphic, and probably try to label each :):)
I am not worried about the future of our midfield Moodie will most likely play there in the future and David Kriel ,Ethan Hooker and Henco van Wyk are all waiting for their chance Jerenzo Julius looks good and guys like Ethan Adams at high school are exciting
The most important one is at tighthead. Malherbe and Koch and the third option Nyakane are absolute legends and a lot of the Boks domination has been on their massive shoulders. But Malherbe is 32, Koch is 34 and Nyakane is 35. This makes Malherbe hopeful for 2027, Koch doubtful and Nyakane almost certainly ruled out. I would go with Louw and Du Toit as rotating starters and then the mighty Malherbe and Koch to come off the bench. This should see Malherbe through to 2027 and will make Koch a lot more hopeful for the World Cup. Another position to look at, is outside centre - Kriel is the man, but Inthink now that Am is fit, he'll take a chunk of the game time.
Very interesting and informative analysis. You don't realise how the Boks have shared the load until you see this. I also thought that the Boks had used the most number of players in one season but was obviously incorrect. Thanks, keep up the great work. 🏉👍
Enjoyed the chat thanks mate. 1. Ox/Steen/Tank 2: Bong/MMX 3: Mal/Wilco Sub Vinny/Tank. Eben and PSD need to come off the bench more, with RG filling in for Eben. PSD esp. needs bomb s. promo for BJD. Loosies Boks have too many to choose from. I do expect Rassie to want Eden Park and will send out the boys for the big occasion, we rugga purists fondly remember the card on Bismark/Carter costing Boks any chance on that occasion. At full-back there is a big change Fassi is close to what is required but needs to work on his kicking for exits and pressure if he gets that's right he will be lethal and hard to drop.
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Given all the camps that Rassie has, I think he has a plan to transition the squad before 2025 but the older guys are playing at their peak currently and that can only help set the level for guys coming in. The negative would be if he was not giving guys a chance, most of the players that got the chance to represent their nation got that chance against good opposition. We're seeing guys taking over certain positions or showing they can handle it at this level, the likes of Louw, Fassie, Nortje, Sacha and the guys waiting on the sidelines with something to prove like Hanekom, Hooker(camp), Grobler, Van den Berg, BJ Dickson etc.. I would see it as a positive that they have top quality waiting to get the chance and for some reason it seems with Rassie it's always at the right time, no desperation caps.
Yeah there's definitely a process between getting guys in camp to become part of the squad, getting time from the bench, becoming a starter. It can only be good to have the young fellas learning from the veterans. Hopefully we see the youngsters start to push through in the next year or two
Whereas I understand the necessity of blooding new players etcetera, I do have a problem with the Boks mixing up squads so much. The Boks always look unsettled because of that and I honestly do not believe it's in the best interest of the squad. In the end (in the World Cup final for instance) you can ONLY play 23 players, regardless of your depth. Those 23 players should be played together consistently for at least the Boks' four last tests before a RWC final (should it happen again) in order to solidify their "unity". Changes should only be made in the event of injury, or one, perhaps two at a time per match to rest players in the top 23. It's one thing to have massive depth, but something else to have a solid, settled 23. Great video as always Mark! Cheers from Safferland! 🇿🇦
Good vid, some very valid points made some are certainly aging but my guess is Erasmus is unlikely to be hijacked with this issue and god Knows there are enough brilliant youngsters coming up too. His rotation recently is almost unprecedented .
Great analysis - Rassie said that he wanted to give the '23 world cup winners a chance to play for the Boks in '24, especially in SA in front of the home fans. No rugby was played post the '19 world cup in 2020, and very little in 2021 which contributed massively to this. He still managed to blood quite a few youngsters this year. Expect more changes to come through from next year with a firm eye on '27
Yeah man I think rather than chuck all the youngsters in the deep end, it's about getting them in the squad, around the veterans, and then slowing building up how much time they're given
@ so much of it is about getting it right, when to add new players and how much time to give and how many newbies at once. It’s a massive part of it and Rassie seems to have a good method. NZ I think has had issues at several positions with that. I think you mentioned it too, that they don’t have a supportive fan base that allows losses while you’re creating that balance and adding new guys.
@ yeah I think players like Reado, Kaino, Whitelock, all got played too many minutes and there was never a clear front runner to replace. Whereas they were much more careful about McCaws minutes and blooding a replacement slowly over his last 4 years… to the extent they couldn’t accept that player wasn’t the best 7 but that’s another story 😂
I'd like to see your graphs in relation to other teams when you have completed this. Also the comparison with other Springbok graphs over the next few years leading up to the world cup
Thanks 2 cents. How about adding weighted average age per position? If you do this across the other teams will show the age average position allowing for a good comparison video.
Interesting to know where your subscribers are from Mark. Maybe do an end-of-year cheeky stacked chart of which countries have the most subscribers and which buy you the most coffees..
I would love to see the Boks go for a seriously experienced team for the Eden Park test as that would probably be their most important game of the 2025 season and then start phasing out some of the veterans with an eye on the World Cup. If that test was being played on Saturday and injuries/form were not an issue I would have a 23 consisting of Ox,Bongi,Frans,Eben,Lood,Siya,PsdT,Wiese,Faf,Pollard,Arendse,DDA,Kriel,Kolbe,Le Roux with a bench of Kitshoff,Marx,Koch,Mostert,Snyman,Kwagga,Williams and Damian Willemse. How would your team differ? and perhaps 2cents can tell us who he would pick for the AB's
I just wonder what the starting lineup would look like if you had to remove the older players who might not make it to 2027, and what the average age would then be. Very interesting video which I was waiting for, thank you.
Very informative thank you. Expect RG, and Am to play more minutes next year. I hope Dixon is the real deal as he was a bit overwhelmed against the All Blacks.
I think the one aspect of the age in the forwards will probably not hamper South Africa as much as other sides due to the ability to run a 7-1 bench or 6-2 bench. Bit easier for the older guys to play 45 mins and then get replaced. I do wonder if next year will see a lot more even splits with younger guys filling in slots in the forwards than we did this year. The center position will be interesting as there are a few class players in the wings waiting to play.
From your summary of world teams ... the backs are not doing too much change. They come off as if they are but... in actual terms, they have not done extensive change or player rotation to truly solidify the depth build they have professed. Insightful stats here bud.
You can tell everyone is working to rebuild..is it just me or does it seem like even more focus is put on depth. I'm curious If there was any rule change to subs because the tournament might be longer with more teams in the next world cup. Or at least team sizes you can take to the world cup. S.A Is definitely making sure we have more kickers for the next world cup anyone can see that.
At age 33, his inclusion is doubtful. Whether or not he ever plays again, he will go down as one of the greatest loosehead props in history. Absolute giant of the game.
The best Boks Team that SA can fill who are 30yrs and over in 2025. Thomas du Toit (30yrs) is an extra prop and also Lood de Jager an extra lock (33yrs) for this team. A complete team with a 6-2 splits as Rassie mostly do. 1.Kitshoff (33yrs) 2.Bongi (34yrs) 3.Melherbe (34yrs) 4.Eben (34yrs) 5.Mostert (34yrs) 6.Kolisi (34yrs) 7.PSDT (33yrs) 8.Wiese (30yrs) 9.Faf (34yrs) 10.Pollard (31yrs) 11.Mpaimpi (35yrs) 12.Damian (34yrs) 13.Kriel (31yrs) 14.Kolbr (32yrs) 15.Willie (36yrs) 16.Malcolm Marx (31yrs) 17.Ox Nche (30yrs) 18.Vincent Koch (35yrs) 19.Jean Kleyn (32yrs) 20.RG Snyman (30yrs) 21.Kwagga (32yrs) 22.Cobus Reinach (35yrs) 23.Lukhanyo Am (32yrs)
Boks Team under 30yrs in 2025: 1. Gerhard (28yrs) 2. Johan (27yrs) 3. Wessels (24yrs) 4. Moerat (27yrs) 5. Nortje (27yrs) 6. Elrigh (26yrs) 7. Dixon (27yrs) 8. Hanekom (23yrs) 9. Jaden (25yrs) 10. Sacha (23yrs) 11. Arendse (29yrs) 12. Damien (27yrs) 13. Moodie (23yrs) 14. Grant (29yrs) 15. Fassi (27yrs) All these players have atleast played a game for the Boks. There are also players such as Roos (25yrs), Libbok (28yrs), Jordan (24yrs) and few more who already played atleast a match for boks.
Players that I'd like to see next year 1.more of thomas dt 2.andre hugo venter 3.wilco louw 4.ruben van heerden 5.ruan venter 6.pepsi buthelezi 7.emmanuel tshituka 9.sanele nohamba 11.edwill van der merwe 12.ethan hooker 13.henco van wyk 14.suleiman hartzenberg 15.quan horn
Springboks seem to have a conveyer belt of young talent coming through. I think the Irish are in trouble in my opinion.. This as a neutral to both teams.
2025 will be make or break with 2027 in mind. Need to blood some next gen players against Italy and Georgia. Who will be the Boks’ Sititi? Plenty of young guns waiting for the call from Rassie. Guys like Hanekom, Van Wyk and Hooker have looked the goods in the URC.
Best young centre past 3 years, not only past 1 or 2 years like the others, is David Kriel. And he covers more positions than all your centre options, and he can kick also. He is first in the line, then the others.
Like your vida 2 Cents. Please do some work on your charts to improve the impact of your videos. I think it will take your videos to the next level. Love your work though
@GBH001 . I know it's a terrifying thought that the Boks could get even better upfront . Maybe you should just hug your teddy 🧸 bear. In the last World Cup Deon Fourie played in the World Cup Final in the front row at the age of 37 and delivered close to a man of the match performance. Os du Randt was 36 when the Boks won the WC in 2007. No better loose head prop in the history of the game. Frans Malherbe will be at his destructive best come the next world cup. South Africans are built different buddy.
The amount of games and minutes that centre pairing played is unnecessary imo. Especially Jessie Kriel considering the guy behind him is just as good. Poor Am had to even play 12 just so he couldn't get that opportunity to outshine kriel at 13.😔
The boks short rein will be over soon and NZ All Blacks will go back to big number 1 again like they have been for the most part of the last 100 years.
Rassie is a great coach but he’s very poor when it comes to bringing youngsters through. Not good enough like where are the young locks ? Like he hasn’t even looked at JF van heerden who is a phenomenal young lock
One of few un-Bias Channels. Always informative and just plain good, get to the point, reporting!!! Thank you!
Appreciate it mate - all about the rugby!
I love the way it took 2 graphs to show PSDT game time. He is a legend. From an Irishman
What a fantastic in depth analysis. You never dissapoint. Love the content.
Thanks for watching, appreciate the kind words!
3:50 I mean, if all else fails, we can throw Cheslin in there 😂
Cheslin can indeed seemingly do a bit of everything 😅
Jeez Mark cheers for these videos.. I love your stats and graphs
Really interesting analysis. Feels like next year is the year Rassie will really start to transition to prioritising what he views as the squad for the next Rugby World Cup.
Yeah man it'll be an interesting one to follow over the RWC cycle
I used to have the mindset that when a player hits 32-34, move on from them. I thought this especially about Sexton and O'Mahoney. I was wrong. Unless there is someone better than them, and as long as they are performing to their usual standards, then age is just a number. Sometimes, a 35 year old like Eben is the better option than a 25 year old who will never be at that level.
Some countries will have cycles of good/average players, like Wales is having. South Africa has a conveyor belt of talent, and even at schoolboy level, it is fierce competition to even make it to a pro club, so they look set for the long term. Yes, some players like Kolbe are extra special, but Arendse is no slouch! Honestly, it went from "Who will replace Habana, to who will replace Mapimpi, to who will replace Kolbe, etc". They always have someone, and now that the politics seem to have died down a lot, and players are picked on merit, everyone who comes through is a top player. They genuinely look set to dominate for years to come.
Yeah man I still vividly remember listening to sports radio in NZ before the 2015 RWC and hearing all the callers saying McCaw and Carter were too old....
@@TwoCentsRugby i think Carter can still do the job!!!
It's frightening for the rest of us 😂 and fair play to SA in the same breath.
just to clarify, Eben has only just turned 33 (those 2 years makes a big difference for the next WC 😅), but your point is absolutely spot on. Sometimes you have a special talent coming through that you just have to give some experience to...but unless they're knocking on that door, the stalwarts should still be trusted to do the job
What an analysis, thank you once again bud for all the time and effort. It’s unreal 🙏🙏🙏 Any chance you can put the initials of the players next to the colours 😬😇 Jesse Kriel most game time in the Boks for 2024, what a legend, this is a great stat!
I enjoy the content, informative, fun, interesting and unbiased. Also balanced and you know what you talk about
Love this depth chart!
That reflected team is very strong.
You should also show the most picked bench!
It's a 23 player game nowadays with the Bokke
Ah cheers man yeah bench is definitely a key!
Your channel is ageing like a fine wine brother💪🇿🇦
Cheers mate!
Excellent video. Thanks Mark.
Very welcome!
The interesting one is the emergence of Fassi. What he did was actually to extend Willie's career (and maybe end it). Willie was having some serious concussion issues and with Willemse still injured, posed an issue for Rassie. Fassi got the chance and has made 15 his own for now. By doing that, you can protect Willie (whose contribution in the team is still phenomenal as one of the best readers of the game) by giving him limited time on the field, yet keep him in the group. With his concussion risk, it is perfect and thus extending his career, BUT if Willemse returns to full form, it will become a Fassi/Willemse fight for the 15 jumper and no longer a Fassi/Le Roux fight, by implication ending Willie's test career. I am sure Rassie will still guide him through to 100 test caps, but after that, I am afraid is it going to be very difficult to find a actual rugby-merit spot for him. Rassie may keep him around, like a Schalk Brits in the past, just to let players learn from Willie vision and experience.
That's an interesting bit of context mate! I didn't even mention Willemse with his long lay off. It'd be cracking to see Willie make 100 caps
Never underestimate "die ou ballie" 😅
And I can only feel sorry for Gelant
@@francismyers4556 Why? He has had a couple of chances for the Boks and was a disaster every time. Just like he is with the Stormers. He can have a great game one week and then five horrible ones. Extremely risky player
Siyakuthanda my friend, thank you for your content!
From south africa, great show well done 🎉🎉
Love it thanks Mark
Great analysis. Thank you.
Love this every year
a good watch thanks!! I would always keep the bar chart colours the same for any player if they are across multiple positions on the same graphic, and probably try to label each :):)
Yeah I've tried it with labels but when there are loads of guys in one position it becomes a bit of a cluster 😅
Great presentation... It helps understanding game better....
Thanks mate - that's the goal!
I am not worried about the future of our midfield Moodie will most likely play there in the future and David Kriel ,Ethan Hooker and Henco van Wyk are all waiting for their chance Jerenzo Julius looks good and guys like Ethan Adams at high school are exciting
The most important one is at tighthead. Malherbe and Koch and the third option Nyakane are absolute legends and a lot of the Boks domination has been on their massive shoulders.
But Malherbe is 32, Koch is 34 and Nyakane is 35. This makes Malherbe hopeful for 2027, Koch doubtful and Nyakane almost certainly ruled out.
I would go with Louw and Du Toit as rotating starters and then the mighty Malherbe and Koch to come off the bench. This should see Malherbe through to 2027 and will make Koch a lot more hopeful for the World Cup.
Another position to look at, is outside centre - Kriel is the man, but Inthink now that Am is fit, he'll take a chunk of the game time.
I think Rassie is missing out on Neetling Fouche, Nthlabakanye at lions for tight head.
Agreed on all points. Here's a Bells 🥃
Excellent analysis!
Cheers mate!
Very interesting and informative analysis. You don't realise how the Boks have shared the load until you see this. I also thought that the Boks had used the most number of players in one season but was obviously incorrect. Thanks, keep up the great work. 🏉👍
Thanks for the effort!
My pleasure!
Very interesting analysis, would love to see a comparison with the top countries. Nice one 👏👏👏
Yeah man definitely more on the way
Enjoyed the chat thanks mate. 1. Ox/Steen/Tank 2: Bong/MMX 3: Mal/Wilco Sub Vinny/Tank. Eben and PSD need to come off the bench more, with RG filling in for Eben. PSD esp. needs bomb s. promo for BJD. Loosies Boks have too many to choose from. I do expect Rassie to want Eden Park and will send out the boys for the big occasion, we rugga purists fondly remember the card on Bismark/Carter costing Boks any chance on that occasion. At full-back there is a big change Fassi is close to what is required but needs to work on his kicking for exits and pressure if he gets that's right he will be lethal and hard to drop.
Love your content bru 😁👍 best rugby content and most unbiased on TH-cam by far. Hope you can one day visit our country and enjoy a rugby match between Springboks and All Blacks with brannas and Coke 😁
From Mossel Bay, Southern Cape 🏖🌊🇿🇦
Thank you my brother! It's definitely on the list of things to do - now that summer is here I need to bust out some ice for the klippies 😅
@TwoCentsRugby enjoy lekker!! 🍻😁
Odd...Canan Moodie is off the radar.
I think ages should feature in graph too
Thank you for the info and for your contribution to promoting rugby❤
wonderful stuff
Such a great analysis. Really appreciate this and will be following closely for all the other teams.
I reckon Sacha's gonna make his mark in 2025
Many thanks mate - and yeah one of the interesting aspects I think is to see how different teams are doing things
I reckon SA could field a team with 7 to 10 centurions at one time at RWC27! Crazy thought!
Agree about 10 -12 guys now have already massed 80 or more caps
Given all the camps that Rassie has, I think he has a plan to transition the squad before 2025 but the older guys are playing at their peak currently and that can only help set the level for guys coming in.
The negative would be if he was not giving guys a chance, most of the players that got the chance to represent their nation got that chance against good opposition.
We're seeing guys taking over certain positions or showing they can handle it at this level, the likes of Louw, Fassie, Nortje, Sacha and the guys waiting on the sidelines with something to prove like Hanekom, Hooker(camp), Grobler, Van den Berg, BJ Dickson etc.. I would see it as a positive that they have top quality waiting to get the chance and for some reason it seems with Rassie it's always at the right time, no desperation caps.
Yeah there's definitely a process between getting guys in camp to become part of the squad, getting time from the bench, becoming a starter. It can only be good to have the young fellas learning from the veterans. Hopefully we see the youngsters start to push through in the next year or two
I don't want any stormers being called up until they perform in urc and cc
Also making sure borderline candidates are not snatched up by other countries, like Scotland with their SA mercenaries 😂😂😂
Whereas I understand the necessity of blooding new players etcetera, I do have a problem with the Boks mixing up squads so much. The Boks always look unsettled because of that and I honestly do not believe it's in the best interest of the squad. In the end (in the World Cup final for instance) you can ONLY play 23 players, regardless of your depth. Those 23 players should be played together consistently for at least the Boks' four last tests before a RWC final (should it happen again) in order to solidify their "unity". Changes should only be made in the event of injury, or one, perhaps two at a time per match to rest players in the top 23. It's one thing to have massive depth, but something else to have a solid, settled 23. Great video as always Mark! Cheers from Safferland! 🇿🇦
Good vid, some very valid points made some are certainly aging but my guess is Erasmus is unlikely to be hijacked with this issue and god Knows there are enough brilliant youngsters coming up too. His rotation recently is almost unprecedented .
Great analysis - Rassie said that he wanted to give the '23 world cup winners a chance to play for the Boks in '24, especially in SA in front of the home fans. No rugby was played post the '19 world cup in 2020, and very little in 2021 which contributed massively to this. He still managed to blood quite a few youngsters this year. Expect more changes to come through from next year with a firm eye on '27
Yeah man I think rather than chuck all the youngsters in the deep end, it's about getting them in the squad, around the veterans, and then slowing building up how much time they're given
Very interesting 2c's. Like a bit of a report card on the state of the nation. I'll be watching your whole series with interest.
Cheers man yeah hopefully it'll make for an interesting series
And for those of us who are checking, the 51st player was Nico Janse van Rensberg but he didn’t make his debute unfortunately.
Cameron was the 51st player,
@@manyanolanga6525 - but 50th to actually get a cap.
The top two teams have older players? Seems about right at this stage of the WC cycle. Cheers for all the videos 👍🏾
Yep I think it makes sense aye - it's good when there's a "handover" too instead of blooding all the rookies at once
@ so much of it is about getting it right, when to add new players and how much time to give and how many newbies at once. It’s a massive part of it and Rassie seems to have a good method. NZ I think has had issues at several positions with that. I think you mentioned it too, that they don’t have a supportive fan base that allows losses while you’re creating that balance and adding new guys.
Yeah we kind of expect a rejig of the NZ squad when all the guys leave NZ after the RWC aye - new coach is forced to fill the gaps
@ yeah I think players like Reado, Kaino, Whitelock, all got played too many minutes and there was never a clear front runner to replace. Whereas they were much more careful about McCaws minutes and blooding a replacement slowly over his last 4 years… to the extent they couldn’t accept that player wasn’t the best 7 but that’s another story 😂
For me, I feel like 2025 and 2026 is time for the new or lower capped players to shine through...which sets the Springboks up perfectly for 2027.
I'd like to see your graphs in relation to other teams when you have completed this. Also the comparison with other Springbok graphs over the next few years leading up to the world cup
Thanks 2 cents. How about adding weighted average age per position? If you do this across the other teams will show the age average position allowing for a good comparison video.
Ah yeah that could well be interesting!
Interesting to know where your subscribers are from Mark. Maybe do an end-of-year cheeky stacked chart of which countries have the most subscribers and which buy you the most coffees..
Haha I think biggest views come from SA, most coffees from Ireland, top couple patrons are Scots - a real mix 😅
I would love to see you do a collab or just a chat with eggchasers
I would love to see the Boks go for a seriously experienced team for the Eden Park test as that would probably be their most important game of the 2025 season and then start phasing out some of the veterans with an eye on the World Cup. If that test was being played on Saturday and injuries/form were not an issue I would have a 23 consisting of Ox,Bongi,Frans,Eben,Lood,Siya,PsdT,Wiese,Faf,Pollard,Arendse,DDA,Kriel,Kolbe,Le Roux with a bench of Kitshoff,Marx,Koch,Mostert,Snyman,Kwagga,Williams and Damian Willemse. How would your team differ? and perhaps 2cents can tell us who he would pick for the AB's
You look good in a bokke jersey
I just wonder what the starting lineup would look like if you had to remove the older players who might not make it to 2027, and what the average age would then be. Very interesting video which I was waiting for, thank you.
Very informative thank you. Expect RG, and Am to play more minutes next year. I hope Dixon is the real deal as he was a bit overwhelmed against the All Blacks.
I think the one aspect of the age in the forwards will probably not hamper South Africa as much as other sides due to the ability to run a 7-1 bench or 6-2 bench. Bit easier for the older guys to play 45 mins and then get replaced. I do wonder if next year will see a lot more even splits with younger guys filling in slots in the forwards than we did this year. The center position will be interesting as there are a few class players in the wings waiting to play.
Yeah man management of those minutes - especially the forwards - has been a key part of Rassie's success aye
You can't fool age. If SA does not bring younger guys in 2025 they will probably fall off a cliff by next WC.
From your summary of world teams ... the backs are not doing too much change. They come off as if they are but... in actual terms, they have not done extensive change or player rotation to truly solidify the depth build they have professed. Insightful stats here bud.
The average age of the 2003 England RWC winning squad was 27/28 with ages from 24-36. How does the Boks compare?
You can tell everyone is working to rebuild..is it just me or does it seem like even more focus is put on depth. I'm curious If there was any rule change to subs because the tournament might be longer with more teams in the next world cup. Or at least team sizes you can take to the world cup. S.A Is definitely making sure we have more kickers for the next world cup anyone can see that.
It's Two Cents Depth Charts time again!
What happened to Damian Willemse?
Ah yeah not fit this year sadly! But it's more experience waiting to be used
Cant wait to see willemse back
In Rassie we trust, I guess. He hasn't been wrong so far.
Still we got youth in south Africa that we still never see yet
Yeah I'm sure they'll come though
Kitsie probably wont play rugby again 😢
His health has to be number one... surgery looked awful... fingers crossed for him
At age 33, his inclusion is doubtful. Whether or not he ever plays again, he will go down as one of the greatest loosehead props in history. Absolute giant of the game.
The best Boks Team that SA can fill who are 30yrs and over in 2025. Thomas du Toit (30yrs) is an extra prop and also Lood de Jager an extra lock (33yrs) for this team. A complete team with a 6-2 splits as Rassie mostly do.
1.Kitshoff (33yrs)
2.Bongi (34yrs)
3.Melherbe (34yrs)
4.Eben (34yrs)
5.Mostert (34yrs)
6.Kolisi (34yrs)
7.PSDT (33yrs)
8.Wiese (30yrs)
9.Faf (34yrs)
10.Pollard (31yrs)
11.Mpaimpi (35yrs)
12.Damian (34yrs)
13.Kriel (31yrs)
14.Kolbr (32yrs)
15.Willie (36yrs)
16.Malcolm Marx (31yrs)
17.Ox Nche (30yrs)
18.Vincent Koch (35yrs)
19.Jean Kleyn (32yrs)
20.RG Snyman (30yrs)
21.Kwagga (32yrs)
22.Cobus Reinach (35yrs)
23.Lukhanyo Am (32yrs)
Boks Team under 30yrs in 2025:
1. Gerhard (28yrs)
2. Johan (27yrs)
3. Wessels (24yrs)
4. Moerat (27yrs)
5. Nortje (27yrs)
6. Elrigh (26yrs)
7. Dixon (27yrs)
8. Hanekom (23yrs)
9. Jaden (25yrs)
10. Sacha (23yrs)
11. Arendse (29yrs)
12. Damien (27yrs)
13. Moodie (23yrs)
14. Grant (29yrs)
15. Fassi (27yrs)
All these players have atleast played a game for the Boks. There are also players such as Roos (25yrs), Libbok (28yrs), Jordan (24yrs) and few more who already played atleast a match for boks.
Players that I'd like to see next year
1.more of thomas dt
2.andre hugo venter
3.wilco louw
4.ruben van heerden
5.ruan venter
6.pepsi buthelezi
7.emmanuel tshituka
9.sanele nohamba
11.edwill van der merwe
12.ethan hooker
13.henco van wyk
14.suleiman hartzenberg
15.quan horn
I'm sure some will get a crack man
Springboks seem to have a conveyer belt of young talent coming through. I think the Irish are in trouble in my opinion..
This as a neutral to both teams.
Yeah man it's bloody competitive getting in that squad
2025 will be make or break with 2027 in mind. Need to blood some next gen players against Italy and Georgia. Who will be the Boks’ Sititi? Plenty of young guns waiting for the call from Rassie. Guys like Hanekom, Van Wyk and Hooker have looked the goods in the URC.
Is the game time shared in minutes?
What are your excitement levels revving at with the news that the Eden Park record has been put on the line?
Gonna be massive!
I do worry we wont have that physical edge going into 2027…
AB's team getting younger and younger and Bok's most in there early 30's ,
My future fantasy bok team
1. Steenekamp/mchunu
2. Venter/grobelaar
3. Fouche/Louw
4. Van heerden
5. Nortje
6. Hanekom/pepsi/pretorius
7. Venter/louw
8. Louw/hanekom/roos/horn
9. Morne vdb
10. Sasha/willemse/Hendrickse
11. Arendse
12. Hooker/jurenzo/willemse
13. Van wyk
14. Moodie
15. Fassi/willemse/horn
Pretty attacking minded side!
At 4, there are JF van Heerden and Emile van Heerden but I assume Ruben, right?
@@kurtjetson1284 too many damn van heerdens lol, I meant JF, big fan of Ruben though 👌
@@Justin-gm2fi haha it doesn't help that they play the same position
Best young centre past 3 years, not only past 1 or 2 years like the others, is David Kriel. And he covers more positions than all your centre options, and he can kick also. He is first in the line, then the others.
Like your vida 2 Cents. Please do some work on your charts to improve the impact of your videos. I think it will take your videos to the next level. Love your work though
This golden generation might be around for another two years but can they complete another world cup cycle?
Props generally peak in their late thirties. So in that department of the game Boks will only get better
Wrong. Tell me which 38 year old prop was considered at his peak?
@GBH001 . I know it's a terrifying thought that the Boks could get even better upfront . Maybe you should just hug your teddy 🧸 bear. In the last World Cup Deon Fourie played in the World Cup Final in the front row at the age of 37 and delivered close to a man of the match performance. Os du Randt was 36 when the Boks won the WC in 2007. No better loose head prop in the history of the game. Frans Malherbe will be at his destructive best come the next world cup. South Africans are built different buddy.
Other than the Eden park game next year, I think Rassie needs to let lose with the youngsters 2025/2026
Ok here's the younger squad names
1 Ox
2 Johan Grobelaar
3 Wilco louw
4 locks is worrieng
6 Ben Jason Dixon
7 Cameron Hanekom
8 jasper wiese
9 Grant Williams
10 Sacha Fienberg
12 Andre esterhuizen
13 Ethan hooker
14 Canaan moodie
11 Aendse
15 Fassi
Can you put the names on the charts next time?
It gets kinda crowded, I have looked at it on my end but gets a bit messy
No depth in our local sides
The amount of games and minutes that centre pairing played is unnecessary imo. Especially Jessie Kriel considering the guy behind him is just as good. Poor Am had to even play 12 just so he couldn't get that opportunity to outshine kriel at 13.😔
Yeah the distribution was a touch on the conservative side, but man hard to argue with the results so far
@@TwoCentsRugby true. Even though after every match they felt like they could've done better.
The ABs " blooding" new guys on the trip to the States surely isn't as valuable as the Bok's 51 being blooded in tests against top tier nations.
A team matched in old age by the Irish team
Yeah we'll get to them next!
no, SA are quite a bit older.
Except we have a few trophies that count to show for it 😉 Webb Ellis sitting nice & snug back in SA
@@Mostlycars888well said to shut the qf chokers😂😂😂
@@Mostlycars888 what a humble group of fans!
The boks short rein will be over soon and NZ All Blacks will go back to big number 1 again like they have been for the most part of the last 100 years.
Rassie should give Neethling Fouché a go at tighthead. For me he is better than Thomas du Toit and Vincent Koch.
Buying referees makes you youger!
Wearing a Springbok jersey in New Zealand is like wearing a MAGA hat in California.
Both are winners!
You're only as old as the women you're currently holding. The Boks will be fine. The Irish and their penchant for farm animals on the other hand...
I thought it was us Kiwis who were busy with the sheep....
@TwoCentsRugby there are some very good looking sheep out there. Who doesn't like to marinade their lamb. But Ireland, they take it too far.
What a thread😂😂
Talking heads 😅
Rassie is a great coach but he’s very poor when it comes to bringing youngsters through. Not good enough like where are the young locks ? Like he hasn’t even looked at JF van heerden who is a phenomenal young lock
Are you high or something? What a ridiculous comment
The referees will always be there to bail them out like the good little servants they are
Who cares what they are
Old or young
They are cheats,end of
Why don’t you do a episode of the cheating ah
I could help 😂😂
Wouldn’t take much would it!