Timestamps: 0:00 Introduction 3:20 How long does a CS:GO map take? 8:40 Argument against long matches by Rejin 12:00 Viability of BO1s in early stages 16:45 What do casual CS:GO viewers want? 19:12 Fixing the double freezetime mechanic 25:00 How long should a map last? 30:00 Rejin's idea for OT only on map 3 39:00 The effects of the new economy 47:30 Why are we talking about MR12? 55:10 MR12 kills the "Blue Shell" mechanic 58:00 Tweaking the old economy for MR12 1:02:00 "Pistol rounds are a coin-flip" argument 1:07:10 Potential changes to pistol rounds 1:15:30 SPUNJ: "Maps should be CT sided" 1:18:20 MR12 won't shrink the playbook 1:22:00 Drawing conclusions from first half of the show 1:31:00 What's the best overtime format? 1:38:00 Tennis-style overtime in CS:GO 1:44:50 How many tournaments should a team play? 1:54:00 Hunting rankings and burnout 2:00:00 "Make the tournament 2-3 weeks, but give players time off" - Rejin
I absolutely love the tennis overtime. I already was fkin screaming g2-faze and nip-faze but with tennis overtime this would be so insanely tense. Would love to see it play out
When I first started watching this is what I thought it was, but it's actually like sets of 3 right? Just make it deuce, advantage and then a win. Nothing complicated, makes games more tense and short.
Yeah Striker has no idea what he's talking about lmfao >Make point >Get proven wrong >Still stick to point So many "Yeah buts" Your mind can be changed bro, just be more open jesus christ
lets me sum up all of strikers point. I dont really think it matter that much but i dont know. *gets facts that prove it does matter* I dont really think it matters that much but i dont know.
T side economy is way to powerful, can buy almost every round win or lose. I feel terrorists almost never have to save. If they lose rounds they can buy Bc of max loss in addition to maybe bomb plants on failed post plant situations. If they win, they’re winning rounds and still getting decent money. Bomb plants + kills and unless you only had one t alive for like 2 winning rounds on no loss bonus then you don’t have to save. AK needs up in price perhaps as a change or max loss for Ts need to be reduced
I think the T-side's strong economy works well to balance out the positional/defensive advantages that CTs have on maps. Maps could become a bit too one-sided if you made the T's weapons cost more, as it would be at the expense of the T's utility, which are important to execute at bombsites. Also, I think rounds would move a lot slower, as more expensive gear would make the T's less susceptible to take risks.
ask valve to allow to customize the economy system, and with the comunity tweak it. You can do a small turnament every sunday with 4 teams to see the effects.
SpunJ OT rules are great and i had the exact same thoughts about 2 days ago. Change OT to win by 2. Make it more simple to understand for the viewer. It also makes OT a pressure cooker.
Mostly agree with you on that one, except for the 950 starting money, seems a bit too high. I might say give $850 instead, lets you buy armour + flash or four nades (a decoy for fake flash). I don’t think giving 950 is smart because then meta might become more about superbuffing aimstars with pistol (dropped by teammate) armour or even buying armour + p250/smoke which seems too overpowered... but I still agree a small increase might be nice. Great thoughts!
Change can be scary but also be really good. Im a Global/ mid level faceit pleb so I dont know what im talking about but I think MR 12 and having a fixed amount of money for every OT round would be cool to see in MM
If you want to fix the game Don’t fuck with the rounds. Lower the bomb plant bonus by -50$. , the bombtime by -5secs, bombdefuse with no kit time to 8secs, the freezetime by -5secs. Take from overall roundtime -10 secs off... And also add the AK price to 2850$... enough to make it more balanced and also much faster
This striker dude was kinda annoying ngl. "Going 9-6 or 8-7 is a massive difference" - "Sure it's a difference but I don't think it is a massive one". Bruh what are you talking about??
i believe its a massive difference tbh, cuz if its 9-6 half and you have 9 rounds and win next pistol you basically win the game but if you are 8-7 its basically balanced whoever wins pistol doesnt matter as much, where as if you have 6 in a half and lose pistol you basically lost the game unless you win anti ecos or on your full buy you need to win literally everysingle round without dropping 1 or 2
Out of all suggested things i really like this one: Coach calls timeout via own button, after unfreeze you have 5 seconds countdown and game is on (other team HAS TO BE aware of everything, it is not like they leave the room to go to toilet anyway). Also bald suggestion. Shorten the round. The slow pace of CS lately (let's call it navi style) is really way too much even for HC CS fan. You will cut round time by 10 or 15 seconds and you have whole new meta without touching guns or "money game".
Definitely think two best of threes should be good. But only if you get more analysation with coaches, skyboxes etc. Also best of ones in early stages should definitely be an option.
I think when you’re talking about a casual viewer shorter games will always be more palatable. Think of how much more popular the 20/20 cricket was. And there are still one dayers and test matches... I really think there should be a tournament where the best of 3 takes about an hour - 80 mins max. You’re also going to get the players to really turn up and focus in such short intensive matches
csgo on psychedelics would honestly be interesting, the plays that would be made would be so creative. But then the time loops people would get stuck in could be crazy
Ok, around 30 minutes in they discuss about not having OT on maps 1 & 2, which would make map 2 absolutely obsolete, imagine 15:15 on map 1, instantly play map 3 because map 2 doesn't even matter anymore lol? That doesn't make sence...
Old economy, mr15, OT mr3 around 12k or some shit, nerf smgs and pistols accuracy while moving so we dont need to watch this zoomer strike, rest is cool. As an OG player id also like to see old moving speed while zoomed with awp (kennyS nerf) but that will never happen. For me this would give us great cs experience without this jumping mac-10 bullshit. Great show guys peace
Nah I think the game is almost perfect as it is. Change economy a bit so you can't force with AK every round, leave SMGs as they are. Maybe reduce movement inaccuracy with AWP, I know high movement speed will be enjoyable for every AWPer but what will it be like facing one? The peaking atm is fine, they miss a shot they're pretty much fucked or can get away with it once or twice. With high movement speed you can jiggle like fuck while scoped and it's just too op.
@@rust1cc SMGs are usually hard to deal with on lower ranks. Other than that, they're only good close quarters, and making them any worse will render them useless. There will always be people unhappy with some things, what should they do? Only thing I can partially agree with is a minor speed nerf, like very minor just so they can't surprise you as much around corners, but then you'll have the dualies and tec9 to replace them. The game is fine, 1 tap SMG players because 99% of them aim body.
@@RealityClubX all i want to say is cs is not a run n gun game, it all came out with battle royales people jump around and kill you midair with mp9 even on lvl 10, i can easily deal with them lol just when it happens its annoying af
@@rust1cc Mid air shots are mainly luck though, I'm level 8 and have no complaints, I don't know why you're complaining as a level 10. If you get jump headshot by P250s often you'll say the same thing about them, it's just the way people use the guns you don't like, which unfortunately can only be changed through huge changes that really are not needed.
Really enjoyed the broadcast , but I feel like striker is here with the right mindset but hes just not a cs player he seems to not feel the game at a higher lvl
Why the fuck are they arguing for a WORSE group stage? We’ve been fighting for years to remedy the AWFUL BO1 upsets that have plagued majors since the beginning.
so here is the thing back in 1.6 we also gambaled, just like weapon and pistol rounds. becuse its not 100% gamble for instance nuke. 3 ramp one goes vents one rafter one main. thats a gamle and that tactic was commonly used in weapon rounds aswell. Gamble happens just if not even more than pistol rounds. its called tactics its never 100% gamble that dont happen on high level. Its a gamble that is thought thru by alot. increase cost of helmet by 200 also makes it so most weapons that are underused becomes used more. Mollies did not exist in 1.6 mind that smokes where weaker than they are now. still ct was favorable and better on getting rounds. Only maps that where stronger for T:s was dust2 inferno and train where more even. note there where no mollies back then yet cts held almost same result as today. the whole point about that mr 12 is bad have been beaten to death back in 1.6 we went from mr 12 to mr 15. Reason was never randomness of pistolrounds the reason was the impact it had on rounds and economy. Becuse there where no loss bonus now u have lossbonus, ontop of that weapons are good that are cheap and has its place compared to 1.6 so the whole point about mr 12 is out the window becuse u can half as weaponbuy and take rounds still by a large margin compared to 1.6 it was a severe disadvantage.
But when you consistently see some of the best player mechanically constantly whiff on pistol rounds so consistently it starts to show there is a fundamental issue with the guns.
Stephen Whitemore i dont really see device simple zywoo niko choking with that gun, those 4 team has high pistol win percentage for a reason. Mous lost pistol round i think its due to high sensity of woxic and frozen crosshair, woxic is an awper with really high senstivity so i dont think playing pistol specially with a p2k is suitable for him at all and frozen always got for second shot hs
Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction
3:20 How long does a CS:GO map take?
8:40 Argument against long matches by Rejin
12:00 Viability of BO1s in early stages
16:45 What do casual CS:GO viewers want?
19:12 Fixing the double freezetime mechanic
25:00 How long should a map last?
30:00 Rejin's idea for OT only on map 3
39:00 The effects of the new economy
47:30 Why are we talking about MR12?
55:10 MR12 kills the "Blue Shell" mechanic
58:00 Tweaking the old economy for MR12
1:02:00 "Pistol rounds are a coin-flip" argument
1:07:10 Potential changes to pistol rounds
1:15:30 SPUNJ: "Maps should be CT sided"
1:18:20 MR12 won't shrink the playbook
1:22:00 Drawing conclusions from first half of the show
1:31:00 What's the best overtime format?
1:38:00 Tennis-style overtime in CS:GO
1:44:50 How many tournaments should a team play?
1:54:00 Hunting rankings and burnout
2:00:00 "Make the tournament 2-3 weeks, but give players time off" - Rejin
First time listeing to the podcast btw, really great content, so keep it up
I absolutely love the tennis overtime. I already was fkin screaming g2-faze and nip-faze but with tennis overtime this would be so insanely tense. Would love to see it play out
When I first started watching this is what I thought it was, but it's actually like sets of 3 right? Just make it deuce, advantage and then a win. Nothing complicated, makes games more tense and short.
Yup I love mr1 ot
NIce work with the time divisions, I love it. Makes me really wanna listen the full episodes I miss after.
The mom part went from wholesome to not so wholesome!!! 2:04:18
Yeah Striker has no idea what he's talking about lmfao
>Make point
>Get proven wrong
>Still stick to point
So many "Yeah buts"
Your mind can be changed bro, just be more open jesus christ
Totally agree. Have some respect for other peoples point of views. Completely seemed to be an egotistical jerk at times.
lets me sum up all of strikers point.
I dont really think it matter that much but i dont know.
*gets facts that prove it does matter*
I dont really think it matters that much but i dont know.
The flames below SPUNJ are priceless, always make me crackle 😂 keep it up guys
Dope podcasts very interesting subjects covered. Reijin starting to be a regular here :D
T side economy is way to powerful, can buy almost every round win or lose. I feel terrorists almost never have to save. If they lose rounds they can buy Bc of max loss in addition to maybe bomb plants on failed post plant situations. If they win, they’re winning rounds and still getting decent money. Bomb plants + kills and unless you only had one t alive for like 2 winning rounds on no loss bonus then you don’t have to save. AK needs up in price perhaps as a change or max loss for Ts need to be reduced
I think the T-side's strong economy works well to balance out the positional/defensive advantages that CTs have on maps. Maps could become a bit too one-sided if you made the T's weapons cost more, as it would be at the expense of the T's utility, which are important to execute at bombsites. Also, I think rounds would move a lot slower, as more expensive gear would make the T's less susceptible to take risks.
Could just reduce the plant money to 600 or smth
Daddy chad speaking the truth.
Super content as always! There could definitely be a follow up or two to this one :)
ask valve to allow to customize the economy system, and with the comunity tweak it. You can do a small turnament every sunday with 4 teams to see the effects.
tbh i wouldnt mind watching 2 BO3's with more desk segments and intervals being like interviews and analytics of the matches etc
Also the AWP is still Op maybe change the magazine capacity from 10 to 5 bullets something like that.
SpunJ OT rules are great and i had the exact same thoughts about 2 days ago.
Change OT to win by 2. Make it more simple to understand for the viewer. It also makes OT a pressure cooker.
Yo SPUNJ you da man
If valve would listen to SPUNJ cs would be at his peek
Tennis is a great idea! I love beeing a part og the hardcore cs comunity :D
My dream CS is 950 starting money, MR12, one round of MR3 OT and then MR1 from then on.
Mostly agree with you on that one, except for the 950 starting money, seems a bit too high. I might say give $850 instead, lets you buy armour + flash or four nades (a decoy for fake flash). I don’t think giving 950 is smart because then meta might become more about superbuffing aimstars with pistol (dropped by teammate) armour or even buying armour + p250/smoke which seems too overpowered... but I still agree a small increase might be nice. Great thoughts!
Change can be scary but also be really good. Im a Global/ mid level faceit pleb so I dont know what im talking about but I think MR 12 and having a fixed amount of money for every OT round would be cool to see in MM
If you want to fix the game Don’t fuck with the rounds. Lower the bomb plant bonus by -50$. , the bombtime by -5secs, bombdefuse with no kit time to 8secs, the freezetime by -5secs. Take from overall roundtime -10 secs off... And also add the AK price to 2850$... enough to make it more balanced and also much faster
This striker dude was kinda annoying ngl. "Going 9-6 or 8-7 is a massive difference" - "Sure it's a difference but I don't think it is a massive one". Bruh what are you talking about??
i believe its a massive difference tbh, cuz if its 9-6 half and you have 9 rounds and win next pistol you basically win the game but if you are 8-7 its basically balanced whoever wins pistol doesnt matter as much, where as if you have 6 in a half and lose pistol you basically lost the game unless you win anti ecos or on your full buy you need to win literally everysingle round without dropping 1 or 2
I think MR12 would benefit cs, because every round has more impact and therefore an innovative play would make a greater impact
Out of all suggested things i really like this one:
Coach calls timeout via own button, after unfreeze you have 5 seconds countdown and game is on (other team HAS TO BE aware of everything, it is not like they leave the room to go to toilet anyway).
Also bald suggestion. Shorten the round. The slow pace of CS lately (let's call it navi style) is really way too much even for HC CS fan. You will cut round time by 10 or 15 seconds and you have whole new meta without touching guns or "money game".
OT MR3 Scouts knives let's go.
Definitely think two best of threes should be good. But only if you get more analysation with coaches, skyboxes etc. Also best of ones in early stages should definitely be an option.
Regarding the overtime, in the case of a 15-15 tie in the first two maps, the team that picked the map will lose it.
loved the tennis style OT but wouldnt it take lots of time when u changed side after each rounds
Chad is a legend! xd
mr1 overtime is a great idea
I think when you’re talking about a casual viewer shorter games will always be more palatable. Think of how much more popular the 20/20 cricket was. And there are still one dayers and test matches... I really think there should be a tournament where the best of 3 takes about an hour - 80 mins max. You’re also going to get the players to really turn up and focus in such short intensive matches
csgo on psychedelics would honestly be interesting, the plays that would be made would be so creative. But then the time loops people would get stuck in could be crazy
Big brain spunj always on point. Striker not enough IQ to hang.
Ok, around 30 minutes in they discuss about not having OT on maps 1 & 2, which would make map 2 absolutely obsolete, imagine 15:15 on map 1, instantly play map 3 because map 2 doesn't even matter anymore lol? That doesn't make sence...
Old economy, mr15, OT mr3 around 12k or some shit, nerf smgs and pistols accuracy while moving so we dont need to watch this zoomer strike, rest is cool. As an OG player id also like to see old moving speed while zoomed with awp (kennyS nerf) but that will never happen. For me this would give us great cs experience without this jumping mac-10 bullshit. Great show guys peace
Nah I think the game is almost perfect as it is. Change economy a bit so you can't force with AK every round, leave SMGs as they are. Maybe reduce movement inaccuracy with AWP, I know high movement speed will be enjoyable for every AWPer but what will it be like facing one? The peaking atm is fine, they miss a shot they're pretty much fucked or can get away with it once or twice. With high movement speed you can jiggle like fuck while scoped and it's just too op.
@@RealityClubX about awp running i was kidding but smgs etc fucks up this game hard, its no longer counter strike its fuckin fortnite 5v5 edition
@@rust1cc SMGs are usually hard to deal with on lower ranks. Other than that, they're only good close quarters, and making them any worse will render them useless. There will always be people unhappy with some things, what should they do? Only thing I can partially agree with is a minor speed nerf, like very minor just so they can't surprise you as much around corners, but then you'll have the dualies and tec9 to replace them. The game is fine, 1 tap SMG players because 99% of them aim body.
@@RealityClubX all i want to say is cs is not a run n gun game, it all came out with battle royales people jump around and kill you midair with mp9 even on lvl 10, i can easily deal with them lol just when it happens its annoying af
@@rust1cc Mid air shots are mainly luck though, I'm level 8 and have no complaints, I don't know why you're complaining as a level 10. If you get jump headshot by P250s often you'll say the same thing about them, it's just the way people use the guns you don't like, which unfortunately can only be changed through huge changes that really are not needed.
Helo hltv
just give players more money on pistol rounds like 1000 so that we have more elaborate pistol rounds with more utility being use etc.. !!
SPUNJ tilting so hard lmak
chad "sports mode" burchill
how u can you make those timestamps so easily? help me meeeeeens)
Really enjoyed the broadcast , but I feel like striker is here with the right mindset but hes just not a cs player he seems to not feel the game at a higher lvl
Wait, did they spend time advocating for the BLAST format of yesteryear? ;)
You know it's easier to say last year? :)
@@RealityClubX no, yesteryear is perfect. When u say that word u get many women.
@@RealityClubX stfu yesteryear is the best year
Why the fuck are they arguing for a WORSE group stage? We’ve been fighting for years to remedy the AWFUL BO1 upsets that have plagued majors since the beginning.
so here is the thing back in 1.6 we also gambaled, just like weapon and pistol rounds. becuse its not 100% gamble for instance nuke.
3 ramp one goes vents one rafter one main.
thats a gamle and that tactic was commonly used in weapon rounds aswell.
Gamble happens just if not even more than pistol rounds.
its called tactics its never 100% gamble that dont happen on high level.
Its a gamble that is thought thru by alot.
increase cost of helmet by 200 also makes it so most weapons that are underused becomes used more.
Mollies did not exist in 1.6 mind that smokes where weaker than they are now.
still ct was favorable and better on getting rounds.
Only maps that where stronger for T:s was dust2 inferno and train where more even.
note there where no mollies back then yet cts held almost same result as today.
the whole point about that mr 12 is bad have been beaten to death back in 1.6 we went from mr 12 to mr 15.
Reason was never randomness of pistolrounds the reason was the impact it had on rounds and economy.
Becuse there where no loss bonus now u have lossbonus, ontop of that weapons are good that are cheap and has its place compared to 1.6
so the whole point about mr 12 is out the window becuse u can half as weaponbuy and take rounds still by a large margin compared to 1.6 it was a severe disadvantage.
Would be cool if you could add subtitles, non english people would be interested too
Is anyone else hoping valve listen to them?
Please put my favourite guns in the game valve:
1) Colt 45 M1911
2) CZ Skorpion Evo 3
3) Heckler & Koch XM8
4) Knight’s Armanent SR25
5) Olympic Arms K23B
6) Barrett M82A1/M107
7) Walther PPK S/E
8) Winchester 1892 Saddle Ring
9) Atchisson Assault 12
10) Remington R5 RGP
Not with those Barretts, this is CT vs T, not warfare :)
How valve is going to fix the cs economy is to have more skins and cases lol XD
Buff aug and Krieg
K scrap 2 rounds from all tournaments except the majors hows that
"mousesport players are crap with pistols so pistol rounds must be a coin toss" is what I hear the coach saying.
But when you consistently see some of the best player mechanically constantly whiff on pistol rounds so consistently it starts to show there is a fundamental issue with the guns.
Stephen Whitemore i dont really see device simple zywoo niko choking with that gun, those 4 team has high pistol win percentage for a reason. Mous lost pistol round i think its due to high sensity of woxic and frozen crosshair, woxic is an awper with really high senstivity so i dont think playing pistol specially with a p2k is suitable for him at all and frozen always got for second shot hs
what is mr12? mister 12?
Max Rounds
Striker can play devils advocate but my lord is he shutdown this podcast
nice gums striker bro tell them to say hi to your teeth for me
I love mens))
This is treason
MR15 is better
bo1 bad no bo1 pls