How to Set Up SuperRack Performer: Run Waves Plugins LIVE with a Laptop
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SuperRack Performer lets you add Waves plugins to live-sound setups of any size, any budget - using a mac or PC. Learn how to set up SuperRack Performer with any digital console rig to get the EXACT live sound you want.
SuperRack Performer supports any Core Audio (Mac) or ASIO (PC) audio device. The X32 console is used in this video to demonstrate workflow and routing, but these principles are applicable to virtually any console. Refer to your console's user guide for exact workflow. If you require additional assistance, you can contact Waves Tech Support here: www.waves.com/contact-us
0:00 Intro
0:45 Setup Basics
2:02 Audio Routing
8:11 Adding Plugins to SuperRack Performer
9:18 Saving Sessions & Snapshots
greetings as at one point we complained about the malfunction for Windows and thank God everything is fine... without a doubt they must have the best support in the industry thank you for solving the Buffer size problem for Windows.
Your lighting and color is on point for this video Jake!! 🙌
Great Vid, thanks for sharing! I just wanted to add an alternative routing option to accommodate 32 Inserts: Card Out 1-32 can be set to the local/stagebox inputs you are using (So the preamps go direct to waves). Inputs (Local - desk layer) 1-32 can be set to Card 1-32 (to return the waves. Caveats: 1. Head amp control would have to be done in Setup->Preamps. 2. Aux sends of channels using plugins would be affected 3. if you don't require fx, don't use plugins - it just has to be routed like the other channels. 4. This wouldn't accommodate send/return effects like reverb with an aux. However... I use a mix of this and your configuration with great results. i.e. 1-24 as above, 25-30 as inserts and sends fx. USB has latency and could be acceptable. Made and sound grid reduces this and also allows tap of for recording.
Wow your videos look so much more cinematic these days. love the video also
OMG our X32 is back alive!!!!!!! man this just extended the years of our X32 no need to upgrade until we outgrow our inputs!!!
Yessss this just made x32 made live performance even more EPIC
this has been out for years. it was called superrack native. they just renamed the software and sell it as new... i actually feel bad for people falling for this marketing trap but glad to hear it still helps you but you could have used it all the tine before...
@@iM3rLiNi and before that superrack, and way before that was multirack.
Dude, That lighting!
Excellent lesson 👏
Thank you for sharing your knowledge, very good class!
Thank You Soo Much brother for sharing ❤️ love from India 🧿
Really a useful video. Thanks.
thank you so much bro , its a wonderful to learn from you
Was super helpfull overview, i actually didnt understand the user routing but thats because i dont work with behringers a lot
Will you do a similar walkthrough helping people use Live Professor? Not locked into using Waves plugins so you open up to a lot of industry wide plugins. Such as Trigger2 for live drum replacement. I use a few plugins from Native Instruments. And there are thousands of free plugins available out there. You can even use Kontakt and play instruments thru the configuration. With card routing and returns thru unused channels, you could process 16 or more channels versus six via Aud 1-6.
this is awesome!!
I use live professor and a dongle with my MacBook Pro . We send multi tracks and process audio to the x32 with the Dante card . Super simple works well !
any latency?
we do this also, it works great, though I have had Live Professor crash a couple times while doing a change to a plugin during service. Latency on our M1 Mac Mini is about 8-10ms
Thanks so much for this. I'm looking to add this into my workflow for our Christmas Services. Wondering about setting in Waves Tune- I've heard its better to leave in Chromatic mode for better correction if singers aren't 100% in choice and relativity of correction
Yes, don’t ever use major or minor scale live.
This looks awesome Jake!! Do you know if we can do this same thing on the Behringer Wing?
There is an even better solution, if you need more than 6 channels or might like to use the Aux Out ports for external analogue gear or something else. The best solution would be to just leave the insert unassigned, go to the routing menu, go to P16 tab and select Direct Out of the desired channels or any Main/MTX/Bus you like, pre fader. Then go to the card tab and select the P16 channels to be sent to the PC. Now you have done the Output to card thing completely independent from any physical ports or Aux channels on the X32. Of course this is only possible if you're not using P16s, but nobody uses them at the FOH mixer... for monitoring mixers you don't need to have a PC plugins insert chain anyway. Last but not least, make sure to unassign the channels from the mains that are played back from the PC to the console. If you don't run any monitors at all with the console, you can skip the whole process, just send all physical inputs directly to the PC, make your optimization, send it out back to the mixer and assign the channel-inputs to card 1-32, done.
can you share your .scn scene to take it as an example please?
Uh, nobody? We use them and send from the FOH mixer. Most churches don’t have the luxury of having a second board just for the monitor mix. The p16s allow the band to mix it themselves
Just included your recommendation in my configuration notes. Just got the MIDAS 32 stage box and the M32C single space, and plan to use plugins with the system. Currently doing a configuration write up so that the set up is as trouble free as possible. I like your thinking, and was worried that I would be using up many of the features, and not managing output configurations as best as possible. I’ve known about the ultranet option, but thought you needed to purchase the hardware to take advantage of P16. Thanks for your knowledge.
@@TimKaseyMythHealer Do you think you could share your configuration writeup with me? I understand using the P16 channels to get the audio out to the PC, but how do I get the audio back on the board? In this video Jake still had to route from the card back to the AUX ins. I'd like to run 16 channels of processing, mostly for vocals, drums, and the stereo livestream bus.
@@sethwengermusic I have the system, but I've never set it up with a band. This project has never gotten off the ground to be configured. I really need a band, or a house sound guy gig to get everything up and running. I have nothing at this point.
Hi, Thanks for the demo. I remember setting up something like this just using my DAW with a low buffer setting and x32. Do you think there is any real advantage using Super Rack? Also, since I may be using my DAW for audio playback, then I would have to have my DAW and Super Rack running. Thanks!
100% thanks to you, bless
That dongle just hanging from your laptop's USB port unsupported is killing me!
Been using this for ages...
How do you bypass the latency
Mass fuego🔥wanted to know how you would route smaart m32 or x32 and rta mic if you don’t have an interface?
Thank you for your teaching. I have a question: Does this method only work with six channels? What if I want to use more channels?
Yes and Yes!
Can you please tell what type of laptop stand is it?) It handles the mac from both sides just perfectly)
thanks for the video is it possible to record with all this effects in real time back to the computer
It's a very basic question, but if I mount the card on the m32, can I use it in conjunction with the macbook pro without purchasing a superrack? And is there a plug-in included in superrack? It's hard to find a detailed explanation
Jake, we're using the setup in your previous video with reaper. But that requires two channels for each vocalist. Does this setup still require two, or just one?
How would you setup the vocal chain? I use SuperRack Native and have all plug/ins filled.
Mostly abbey road and cla compressions. I have the autotune too.
What sequence is the best sequence for the chain?
Is there a way to get more plugins on the rack for voice?
Hey Jake, how will that work if I'm already using the USB on mixer to run logics?
Maybe I got this wrong but the way he sets the routing in the X32 with the user outs makes him lose 6 of the 16 outputs. There is a better way to do this. In the Input Routing page, you change the Aux In block for Card 1 - 6. Then, you go to the Card tab (Expansion card outputs) and for the first 1 - 8 block, you select Aux 1-6/Mon. Voilà. No need to sacrifice outputs. You’ll be able to select any of the 6 aux insert on any channel/bus/matrix. That’s the way I’ve been using Live Professor for years now. This way, I still have the 16 outputs available for other usage (monitor/iem mixes, seperate subs from tops, front fills, delays, etc)
You got this wrong with the outputs, because you have 16 Outputs PLUS 6 Aux Out physically on the X32 and if you're using stageboxes it won't be an issue anyway to block the Aux Out ports. BUT there is an even better way, that I will post in a separate comment.
@@christianschneidawind5620 Yes you are right, I was still asleep when I first watched the video haha. Nonetheless, he doesn't need to make a custom user out with the aux out 1-6 because assigning Card's output to Aux 1-6/Mon does the same exact thing and saves you a step. Using a user out would allow you to use other outputs for 7-8.
very nice video. I would like to know. possible to connect waves superrack performer to Berhinger flow8? if so, we would also be impatiently waiting for the video 😊👌
That’s awesome! Congratulations making it on the Waves website.
My next question is… Is it USB connected only? Potentially, could I patch an insert via Dante?
You can patch an insert with Dante if you have the Dante card installed in your mixer. He was using the USB card as an example in this video.
Best regards, I don't know if I'm doing something wrong, I downloaded the demo before I bought it but for some reason it won't let me change the buffer size, not if it's the demo version
Hi, I’m about to make a decision on the LV1 System, and as the double screen by Del seems a little too big I’d like to know what you think of the new LENOVO YOGA BOOK 9i dual screen?… It looks perfect for the lv1 setup
Pls share how to do it on wing also thanks in advance
does the superrack uses fewer cpu power than a daw with same vst's applied in ? then this would be a game changer to me
Please do a video with Yamaha TF5
YES"SIR!!!! 🎙🔈🔉🔊🎧
We use Ableton for our Stream Mix, could Super Rack be routed into Ableton as a input?
I have a question I already have plug-ins for when I record on ProTools, if I buy just the waves super rack host can I incorporate those plug-ins that I have bought previously or do I have to buy a separate bundle?
The real question is what laptop stand is that…asking for a friend 😂
Are you able to route all your channels or some channels plus the LR main speakers into the super rack performer and then route it back to the x32 if so how would you do that
Hello, I am having issues setting this up. The main issue being that the audio from any channel is not showing up in the aux out. I have an M32R. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
Hi there, can anyone help to do this setup with allen&heath SQ5. thank you.
Please Can we get a routing setup video for Behringer wing?
Can you run all 32 inputs on superack without server?
Also a lot of vocalists like hearing the tuning in their monitoring. Also maybe you get to it later, but with this and actual Auto-Tune (which is a big live standard) you might create custom scales via Midi.
We replaced the USB card in our X32 with a Dante card. I'm assuming we can still use this with Dante?
Cool video, I do have a question about routing out to a live stream? If I understand correctly, the USB port on an X32 would now be taken up by the computer running SR Performer, right? But, because I also need to route using Aux Out… I’d also be restricted in sending out a mix through the aux out to the live stream computer, right?
if you might like to use the Aux Out ports for external analogue gear or something else. The best solution would be to just leave the insert unassigned, go to the routing menu, go to P16 tab and select Direct Out of the desired channels or any Main/MTX/Bus you like, pre fader. Then go to the card tab and select the P16 channels to be sent to the PC. Now you have done the Output to card thing completely independent from any physical ports or Aux channels on the X32. Of course this is only possible if you're not using P16s, but nobody uses them at the FOH mixer... for monitoring mixers you don't need to have a PC plugins insert chain anyway. Last but not least, make sure to unassign the channels from the mains that are played back from the PC to the console.
There is a new button in the Waves Tune called „Send to all“. Makes it quicker to set the different keys for all vocals.
Tell me/us more? I’m curious about this.
Waves tune ?
I mean Waves Tune Real Time of course. Look at 8:40 in the bottom right. The Transmission Section is new and has 2 buttons. "Send to All" will send the scale settings to all instances of Waves Tune Real Time that have the "Receive" button enabled. This is the default state.
@8:11 Does it work with all x32 brand
Example X32 compact or is just the x32
Does these plugging already comes with the supper rack ?
If answer is no .. then which bundle has wave plugging ready to be use.. vocal rider and psm feedback eliminate
What about if you already use the USB output for a broadcast stream? Is there a way to connect multiple devices to one mixer so one connection is for broadcast and the other is for live Waves plugins?
I have the presonus 24R studio rack mixer. Would this work with that as well.
How is the latency compared to SoundGrid Server?
Do you need any network cards on your board? I want to do this with a Yamaha TF5 but I'm not sure if you need a network card
I understand how you routed the vocal to work but i dont really understand how you got the LR bus, it lets you select 32 inputs but no outputs from the board
Curious to see a comparison between this and Live Professor
We need a SQ set up please!
How taxes is this on a M1 Mac Mini 8GB? Could it handle PP7 (livestreaming from PP7) and Superrack/Autotune without issues? In my testing is seems like a light weight program. I have done this with StudioOne 5 from a separate Computer but it would be nice to only have one computer to not complicate our setup.
hey need help in setting up the waves live superrack with my a&h qu32
Great video, but please address the latency part of it and also the specs a computer/laptop must have to be able to handle running the plugins with the least amount of latency.
reply usssss do u need server to have 0 .8 latency
can the xr 16 or 18 do this?
@@andym7333 yes, it can be done on both of those. The latency will be determined by the capabilities of the host computer.
Anyone find how to use this with a QU-32 mixer?
Hi!
Which version of firmware do you use? 4.06 or 4.09 ? Thank you!
Is there anything i can do when using this, that i have a "safety-motion" if my superrack performer crashes in the middle of a show? So i dont lose the vocal signal.
Hi, our x32 device is not showing on the setting in the soundgrid. Your shows “audio setup” but mines shows “inventory” which allows me to choose I/O devices through the port drop down. Can you please 🙏
The bus tap setting is not correct. Pre fader is AFTER the insert since it is set to Pre EQ. Correct setting should be IN/LC or if the insert is set to post it should be Post EQ
Jake, whats the spec of the MacBook you used?
What about using this for a Stream mix ?
what laptop do you have? do you think that it will work fine with a M2 macbook air?
Maybe i'm speaking out of ignorance since I haven't had the chance to try this out with the X32 but wouldn't this only give you 6 insert channels to work with?
Regards, for some reason I was working with native superrack with a Buffer size of 128, with more than 20 plugins calmly, now superrack performer at 256 I work... I thought the objective was a matter of customizing for laptop but it really doesn't have the same capacity as the previous one, 🥴🙃.
Great but can you please do same on studiolive 32s for us... Thanks
Wow, this is tremendous. Thank you for walking through this, Jake! Quick question: if we wanted to try this before committing, does Waves offer a refund within a certain window? Thanks!!!
They have a 30 day demo I think
Wonder will super rack work with cq18t
Bro can you tell me the solution why my superrack is not getting signal from input and output
Can you trigger those snapshots with MIDI? Would be helpful with bands that have limited hands.
They say you can on their website
@@rayok_zed Thanks, I had a look at the user guide, confirm that it does! Hopefully it doesn't have any spikes when changing for larger channels.
You can! We mapped the user buttons on our M32 to trigger each snapshot per song, but we do this with the full Waves Super Rack
We found a way to setup MIDI triggers via ProPresenter. We setup Snapshots with Waves Tune Real Time in the proper key and assign it to a User Key. Next open the MIDI settings under Setup, then click the User Key you want to control. The box will highlight which means it's in listen mode. From ProPresenter setup a MIDI cue and click to send the note over to SuperRack. Works like a charm.
Wouldn't you still get a decent amount of latency using a tuning plugin through a core Audio USB driver? even at 48Khz sample rate and 32ms buffer size that gonna be like 8-10 ms of latency round trip and then the plugin itself would add more latency. At least that's what happens if I run Waves Tune RT in Ableton. Or am I missing something here?
can two x air 18 mixers be connected into 1 for 32 channels?
Been doing the same using LiveProfessor and the Yamaha TF series for years. I used Waves Multirack a few years ago, but have been moving away from Waves. With their recent licensing issue, I've been dumping them as fast as I can find replacements for the ones I still use.
I wish you can upload a video with live professor -Yamaha tf5 configuration 🤞🤞🤞
my dude hazed an entire room to film this intro
So superrack and plug-ins do not need a server to work?
Helpful!! I'm guessing this concept still applies to other digital boards such as Studiolive 32
Yes!
Yes, i use studiolive 32s with waves multirack native since 2019, now i use with Super Rack native
@@dalee6738 I'm messing up my routing cos I still haven't figured out how to get the waves plugins in the daw to be sent back to the mixer and out into my front of house. Using Studiolive 32S. I wish there was a clear video on getting the audio from daw with plugins into FOH. Most vids are sending the output from daw into a livestream.
@@dalee6738 how to setup your mixer Aux ouputs and main outs? I figured out how to setup inputs but outputs is not working. I would like to add a plugin on my master out and Aux outs.. thanks in advance.,
@@alamakluke just select all your channels and route to Sub A B (linked) not to Main out( also disable the main out for SubAB so the signal wont go to main out but just to usb out ), than in digital patch set the usb out to sub A B to usb63 64, . Ion Superrack in stereo Rack set input to 63 64, and the output to 33 34 ( thats tha aux in 1), on the mixer set the aux in to Usb input and output to main out,
Will this work with Mackie pro FX 22?
Great tutorial.But you do not need a dongle to convert USB-A to USB-C for the newest both Windows Mac computers making the process much cheaper and simpler because there are USB-B to USB-C 6 to 10 feet cables available for $20 and up which can connect the mixer straight to the laptop. I have been using them for 4 months now to connect my Pioneer SX2 to my Macbook Pro 2016.
But… you neglect the latency added from the USB connection…., not including the processing latency of the plugins. USB driver is automatically adding about 7-10ms of latency on an X32 depending on buffer size, then your vocals are arriving much later than the unprocessed audio
Out of tune vocalists more often than not are also not on tempo vocalists and their text competency is about the one of Google's auto correction ;-)
😂😂😂😂 what you talking about?. The USB driver does not add 10ms to the X32. What settings are you using?
Just do a quick google search on the round trip latency of the USB card. USB 2.0 devices have a safety buffer which adds latency that cannot be avoided, in addition to any latency introduced by your computer potentially not being able to crunch the numbers fast enough. Actual Waves servers run at such low buffers they are able to process audio in less than 1ms, much like the processing in the X32 itself (round trip is something like .87ms). USB should only be used for recording or playback, but not for processing channels live. Simply too much latency
@@kehindea there is absolutely 7-10ms of latency, try measuring your thruput with smaart, A lot of people have no idea they are fighting phase issues they are causing by not aligning their input channels to the master buss..
I've done this for years for reverbs and delays. It goes without saying that you won't be able to use things like plugin compressors etc due to latency.
Is it possible to run effects like that and still have a separate live stream mix?
I use the P16 channels, Output channels, and a Mac with another interface to create a live stream mix that is sent to OBS by the other interface directly. This allows for volunteers to mix on the board and then set and forget livestream mix. As well as them having the ability to totally control muting of livestream elements from the board through direct outs.
X32 card outs (Via Direct Outs) -> Daw -> Behringer Uphoria -> OBS
That’s the signal flow.
But that sucks up our channels.
So I am not sure I would be able to return the audio back into the board to do effects like this.
If I can, someone let me know! We have in ears and floor speakers and mains. So it might just be impossible.
Anyone with ideas?
Anybody have trouble with waves tune not working? Mine says it is sending and receiving signal but the actual sound isn’t changing. I’m using other plug-ins that are working so I know it’s a waves tune issue.
Ok my question is, what if u need to use more then 6 channels. Example what if u using 20 channels on the x32 how do you route all 20?
X32 is able to do full 32 waves channels the aux routing is nonsense imo I use waves live on a m32 all the time
How is this different from Super Rack Native?
On CL5, using Direct Out on a channel to SuperRack via DVS then return to anther channel. Or using Insert on that said channel?
What's the use of commenting when there's no reply. Sigh!
Can you change the snapshots with midi?
A video on the same topic but with other mixer would be great , a&h , presonus ,yamaha etc.
Thx
a setup with the Presonus Studio Live 3 mixers would be great.... looking forward to it
This is pretty suweet.
Itsn work allen heath mixer qu32..??
The 6 aux limitation of X/M world is kind of a bummer but definitely a cheap ($130) route to tune a few vocals.
If you set all channel inputs to card, and use the preamps page to adjust input gain, you can mix with it as an insert without using the designated channel insert slot. This way you can do up to 32 channels on X/M 32
@@11d12man yes but musicians monitoring busses would be hearing themselves late.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing. For some reason I thought the x32 had independent 1:1 insert points per channel if you use the USB function, but apparently you only have 6 inserts total. Still good for yeah some lead vox or drum buss or something, or overall mix.
@@danielfmyers we have enough channels available that I send the unchanged vocals (2-9) to the monitor busses and send the card channels (10-17) to main and livestream busses. This is using an X32 and the User In / User Out vs block routing.
Does anyone know if i can use this with the TF5
We already have the SuperRack Native so which one is the Performer and what difference does it make? If we can't use third party plugins then I don't see the benefit. SuperRack Native already does this.
Super rack natives??
@@indi2174 Yep. Check it in the waves central
@@indi2174 There is an existing Soundgrid and a Native version already
Does this do anything that Live Professor can't?