Gil's Arena Describes The STRUGGLE Of Life After The NBA
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- Gil's Arena Describes The STRUGGLE Of Life After The NBA as Gilbert Arenas and The Gil's Arena Crew react to Nick Young's message to current hoopers to cherish the moment and detail their life experiences after retirement from the association.
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As a lifelong normal guy, it's not so bad. I imagine it does suck after being treated like a demigod for 10+ years.
Yeah I thought I was hot shit until I went to prison while I was at a juco school. After chance after chance. It took me a while to realize....I gotta learn HVAC 😂😂 naw frfr 💪🏿💪🏿💯💯
Every professional sports players go through this. NFL, NHL, MLB, even NASCAR.
Pleasing the crowd doing your best becomes addictive.
😂😂😂
Respect ✊ 💯 agree
“Former Mexican”
lol shard acting like he a retired megastar 😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Facts 😂😂😂😂
In his mind he is. No one living in reality would unironically walk around wearing a crown 😂😂😂
😂😂😂 seriously
Yeah McCants is living fantasy in his head, dude didn't even make the money Kenyon and Gilbert made although he's still rich, but he's not accepting it's over.
K Mart low key laughing at Shad is beyond funny dab 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Dominique Wilkins once said that he prepared for retirement 5 years before he retired. He setup his businesses, investments, work, family, etc so he could easily transition. Other players need to listen to that so they can do the same thing.
Not even 30 seconds in and McCants is getting roasted LMAO
This shit crazy , Mayneee!!!
Love to see it
and he dwelled on it the whole segment lmao
🤣
his ass be hurt fr
RUSTY CROWN 👑🤴🏾🤣
And he had the rusty crown on in the episode 😂
Clown on clown crime
He needs to take that dumb shit off anyway 🤣🤣🤣🤣
rusty the clown
That crown was bought not given fo sho 😅
What Gil is talking about happened to me as a highschool baseball player.. sadly.. not professional level but all i knew was baseball and all I wanted to be was a baseball player.. then one day I realized I wasnt going to make it to be big leagues and had to ask myself the big question“who are you?” .. thank God i didnt turn out bad 🙏🏼
Same here. I can't ev n watch baseball anymore. It's depressing and I absolutely love the game.
@@fortunateson2 give it a couple years and it will get better.
Shit that was me too bro, all my life i just thought i was going to play college football at worst , NFL was the goal. 3 year varsity starter, captain of the team my senior year, colleges sending letters, coaching coming to visit. Tore my ACL and damaged my cartilage in 7th game, never played a football game again. Was depressed and got fat until like 25-26 bro. I’m about to be 28. I was lost for so long
@@crosstudio well it's been quite some time considering I'm 40. I don't feel right doing anything else. If I would have known that no job or activity would ever give me the same peace, joy, and purpose as baseball once did I'd of never stopped playing. I should have listened to all of my coaches and uncles who told me "you're a natural, never stop playing." Perhaps I need therapy.
@@fortunateson2 have you tried coaching? That’s what got me going and now my son is playing college baseball. He’s been playing since Tee ball. His day is coming too. It comes for us all.
"It's rough though, you wake up and you used to having that routine, and it all changes, so now you gotta find a different routine." - Kenyon Martin
McCants makes me go back and check his NBA career stats every time he talks just to make sure I’m not missing something. But hey, I love the confidence.
I had just looked right before I got to your comment 😂😂😂
But he was like that college regardless can’t forget in the nba it’s literally the best people in the world..
Where can we check your stats when you say some dumb sh*t? Oh wait, we don’t know who tf you clowns are.
😅😅 facts you'd think 25 and 10
@chrispina9266 exactly people forgot these dudes was pampered like Gil said since probably 10 years old. Even McCants had a time where he was the man and he was Hella good in school and ego was sooo big in college messed up his pro career
Yo I watched this clip while eating and K Mart made me put my food in the fridge. 😂😂😂 “eat till you full not till it’s gone” 😂😂😂
Bro I was doing the same thing , but I finished my food.
I had a plate of rice and peas, corn on the COB , Mash Potatoes and Brownstew chicken. I had to finish 😂
@@cleonrogers9011can’t waste that
Bro, I was just eating chicken alfredo and some Hawaiian rolls. Bro I'm not even hungry😂. Just bored. As soon as he said that shit I started laughing 😂
😂😂😂
😂😂
"Depression is part of the progression" For real this is one of the greatest quote I just heard much respect for you all my brothas
Shad talks like a 🤡 one minute and a genius the next
“I retired after college. I saw the vision.” This made my day. This level of self awareness is rare but I respect it.
The whole cast trying to keep a straight face after the clip like Rashad didnt just get flame-grilled😂😂😂
The rusty crown 😂
swaggy p demoted that rusty crown to the back of milk cartons
It's no way anyone listens to mccants without laughing lol ....bro is a character 🤣😂😭😭
More 🤡 than character!
Bro talking about he ain’t no citizen! Yo SS# says you’re a citizen for sure! 😂🤡
@@WAHollier54that’s a little too literal. You’re born with an SSN. But he’s definitely a goofy wit this crown
K-Mart trying not to laugh. That was the longest drink ever😅😅
K-Mart was one of my favorite players to watch. As a Nets fan, he and his team were all I saw. I think he earned a good life post playing
McCants waited until the end to give a real answer 😂. Make him go last in topics, he try too hard to be cool and need somebody else to be vulnerable before he say what he really feel. Man is 40 acting 14.
I swear he’s such a loser. And I actually mean that in the most respectful way possible
Nah mccants is the best
We all either know people like him or have matured enough ourselves to portray the real version ourselves without ego attached
If u don’t understand black culture and how we joke around then stay out of the discussion
@@MrAaronchicago its nothing about culture, you just insecure like mccants and feel attacked... and if him going on a nervous sounding ego trip is a joke thats some lame anti-charismatic humor. Whatever culture you in sucks then
Rashad ego is so high he talks like he’s had the status and career of Kobe or MJ
He never said that . He speaking on himself as a man not basketball . He knows his career average at best.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂I mean you gotta believe in yourself first lol haha he funny AF & be so serious haha
He can’t help it lol. I don’t even listen to people that speak like him. They’re disingenuous at best and there’s likely no honesty in them. He said a bunch of nothing and didn’t add to the conversation lol
@@Dayxh8wasn’t even average
@@ThurstMETVhe’s a optimist so what
Gil is the only one that said the truth
Going from having a whole stadium cheer for you cuz you just hit a 3 or a dunk or a block etc to never experiencing that ever again is tough. Most ppl never hear a small crowd cheer for them let alone a whole stadium of thousands.
I had a small crown and that felt great
@@rasulsamad5860 exactly! 💯👍🏾
McCants came down to Earth a bit, after Gil gave a very humble, introspective answer. What he ended the clip with was more realistic and not all that ego and bravado.
Exactly
Word!! I peeped that too! This video wuz just so real & dope overall.. Nothin but 💯 shit #BigSalute
That's usually how it is. Someone has to be vulnerable and humble first to create a space for others to do the same.
Gill landed that softly too..
The look on K-Mart's face listening to McCants say all that nonsense. Priceless 😂
😂😂😂😂😂
He didn't even say anything wild lol I think its just cool/funny to laugh at McCants at this point bc he do be wild af sometimes.
@@_saucegod nah his whole statement was nonsense
🤴🏿🥊
Yea nonsense, “I’m a creative, I like to be creative” hahahahahha
Millionaires talking about there life sucks while I’m eating a lunchable
K-Mart laughing at McCants 😂
Made my Sunday 😂😂
K mart laughing at Gil....
You can lowkey tell they don’t really like each other fr 😂
You make sure and tell Sheryl swoopes to suck a d
He's always goin' at McCants. It's disrespectful. Shit ain't funny
Gil’s take is 100% spot on. Since I got out the army I haven’t had a competitive space to unleash
Try teaching in NYC, DC, or LA! That will give you all of the excitement - challenge - and opportunity to really impact the country.
It takes a lot of time.
Was an infantryman for 3 years until I passed out and was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes. It took 4-5 years after discharge to feel myself again.
The only way to get past the old memories is to make new ones, but they never really go away. Don't dwell on it, just accept it and find what makes you happy.
I totally agree after the army its like what do i do all i know is being a soldier
Facts, I’m transitioning out soon & the thoughts of what to do with my life are hitting hard
Gotta hit the gym n play a spot fr
Appreciate Gil for being so honest and open. This platform is great.
Gil's take was the best and he elaborated in the simplest way for ppl to understand
McCants felt that rusty crown line😂
Dude needs to dump that stupid princess crown for real lol
McCants?
@@misterg2201 yea did I stutter, read my comment and shut your mouth you jabroni
Depression is part of the progression , so beautiful I’m going through tough time now
Keep pushing
Keep your head up, get back in the gym, do things you used to love when you were younger. Find the joy in life. Stay blessed
It is beautiful, nothing grows without a little dirt, baby.
🔥❤
Purple drank I'ma grip and sip anything illegal you know I flip
People think because they retire with millions it still isn’t a struggle. Most will do “depression spending” before they figure out what’s wrong. I’ve seen retired NBA players barrow money from their AAU coaches several times. And they only been out the league 5 years. The money isn’t shit when your mental is still underdeveloped due to coddling from teen years to your 30s. Or 20s if you had a short career.
This is deep & sad 😢😢😢. This really hits homes
They need to talk more about the struggles of retired sports player's life
If you don’t know the right people or another skill, it’s gotta be hard mentally, forget financially, nobody talks about the mental
People don't like to talk about the negatives
Why? Only players would care. Tf I care about some rich athletes second stint of life?
@@Oldasianguyexactly
@@Oldasianguy75% of nba players go broke after the nba
“You aint got no games today, watch these kids”🤣🤣😭
This conversation is bigger than just Basketball. Thank you for the conversation and for everyone who shared. As somone moving on from plan A .... It makes me feel normal for once having to readjust and move onto other plans. Finding another purpose than the last 10 years. Reinventing and creating.
This was the best and most vulnerable and honest episode that I've ever seen . Wow , the Crown King has spoken , And I think he needs to get his own podcast cause he's definitely a star ⭐😊
Nick young got me crying lmao 😂
Nigga did McCants dirty for no reason😂😂
This is a real and intelligent conversation. Young athletes need this type of education.
Anyone that's good at something going through this. There will be a time where your skill is phased out or you become more trouble then you're worth. That point in life shows who you are as a person. Most star athletes grown up slower then normal people. So this hits them later in life.
As a person who grew up in the streets now tryna turn my life around nd leave that alone this really resonated with me I never had no structure or discipline growing up now being a father tryna be a productive citizen in society I completely understood the reality of yall situation leaving the game tryna be a father being depressed cuz your routine ain’t the same tryna fill that void in your life change bad habits or not let your bad habits ruin your now life thank you for this segment nd letting me know there’s still plenty of life to live this is why I watch Gil’s arena
You told on fam nem
Rusty Crown 😂😂😂 McCants be flustered a whole episode off one comment
Thank you Gil because McCants is still in imagination land
You watching him, clearly he not. He doing his thing
@@shyne1308 I guess everybody has at least one fan lol
Nah mccants is the man. Bro takes care of his health, is outrageously self confident, but can keep it real like u hear at the end. Now he’s in what will soon b the biggest basketball media platform. He’s killing it. How one could hate mccants is beyond me. If u stack up ur achievements against his, how do u really compare?
@@ibrahimtall6209 you want me to compare my life to an ex NBA player who’s on a huge platform. Again, you fans are sometimes delusional.
@ibrahimtall6209 dudes a attention seeker I seen plenty of his kind he wears, do and say things to appear he's not the average person
I appreciate the realness of this conversation. So many people struggle with everyday life & at times we forget that athletes are humans too & deal with real world struggles even with all the fame & money
This may be the realist segment they’ve had......this is REAL for these dudes!!
McCants “I always kept myself busy… just finished my 4th book” 😂😂
😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂
Thought it was just me.
Like nigga that actually sounds the opposite of busy lol
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣
Gil is the LAST person you want saying "I told you so" 😂
He had his problems but don't we all....
@@robertdaniels3029 for sure, we are all imperfect. My point is that Gil is an elite shit talker.
Facts! 😂
Love & respect Gilbert take on this one . Everything he said was factual he went deep in his bag & not jus give a surface answer to get the question over with or shield himself from understanding that regardless of his celebrity status , he is still a civilian with a few extra zeros in the bank account 🤝🏾🙏🏾
Very well said by Rashad. It applies to many other situations in life. Sometimes you’ve got to embrace the pain / disappointment and rebuild yourself from there.
I was super depressed the first few years out of the military. There’s nothing to replace the feeling of camaraderie between the people you work closely with. It took me a couple of years to find myself. It was hard to adjust to the civilian world. Totally understand the conversation.
Agreed
Military fools think retiring from the service is comparable to STARS retiring from the craft. Thanks for your service, but you’re no star.
@@uncleb7821 I get that you’re trolling but you obviously don’t know me homie. I could care less about being a “star”. Just expressing my opinion like you.
@@uncleb7821only difference between him and a "star" is the paycheck and artificial fame. unless you're a star😊 most nba players are forgotten when the stop playing.
Time comes for us all. But if you can hold fast and hold on, you can learn to use that time to have a second or even a third life.
Gil. You keep it more real than any other athlete podcast I've seen with relevant topics. You really give us insight into a world that we have no access to. Thank you for that!
When mcants finally took off his shades and let go of his ego because of what nick young said, he said some REAL SPILL at the end 💯
Only weak men use the word ego
shhittt only weak as men tell other men how great they think they are @@shyne1308 lmao
He was tight nick came at him he threw shots at the end 😂 it’s okay.
@@shyne1308 There's a difference between having pride and having an ego. Pride is having confidence in yourself while ego is being delusional about yourself so you're basically ppromoting people having no self awareness and living with delusionals of grandeur.
@@shyne1308what is a ego Nga?
Damn, his honesty at the end got me thinking honesty, best episode so far... damn
"Depression is the way to progression. Can't have progression without depression." Deep
Life after the NBA is great for the elite of the elite, Kobe, Lebron, Jordan, Magic. You have to be iconic and your star power never dies. But for guys like Gil you have to actually do something after you retire
"Don't Cheat Now"
Gil: Say what now 😮
When Gil said "what was the question?" What he was saying was McCants said all that cap.
You can tell that Kenyon Martin caught that immediately and started choking on his drink 😂😂😂
bro was geeking
I really do wonder if McCants is playing the role of a clown to be entertaining, or if he’s just totally unaware.
@@indiefilmmillennial8338 I don't think so. I watched him on the Kardashians and I saw a little of that.
@@indiefilmmillennial8338He’s Definitely Not Playing A Role… That’s The Real Him
Amazing, this is a video that speaks beyond basketball. What happens when anything is taken away in a world centered on attaining. RESPECT. Good segment.
Good input from everyone on the seat. Life is life. All apart of the journey
"Look at Gil whole couch, they miserable" yo that broke me up and they didnt like that Lol😂😅😂
0:26 😂 McCants catching strays
Fam🤣🤣 the rusty crown
😂😂😂😂
He took that shot personally 😂
Yoooo😂 that had me dying
😂😂😂😂
the guy with the crown was frontin. Gil's explanation was real and honest and made him take those shades off.
awesome topic fellas! this relates to many corporate professionals as well. thank you for this!
We need more of these discussions from NBA guys. We hear it pretty consistent from NFL players. Much needed conversation that is often not had in detail or glossed over on all the Former Athlete Podcast.
Why? I don’t care if these dudes have been sad. I been sad too lol
That Must’ve HURT , but A MAN has to have a PURPOSE , KEEP MOVING 💪🏾🙏🏾
Very valuable & useful ^ timely subject, thanks for being open, honest & straight-forward....
really good episode. Gil is one of my fav podcasters now.
This podcast over the past year has completely transformed everything I ever knew or assumed about Gil, which is a big statement about myself and my own biases, but it is also a testimony to the power of podcasting. I always knew Kenyon was an intellectual but I never knew Gil was.
Gil is one of the most hardest working athlete. All he did was drill
The NBA should create an age 35+ NBA league for players who aren’t in the NBA anymore. 32 game season. 16 teams. 8 man roster. 8 minute quarters. Similar to the Senior PGA in Golf.
Big3 exists
it could be fun. like if its The Next Chapter, Big 3
but it wont take off because nba fans want drama not basketball
Exactly@@dubzerolol
You basically just said the Big 3, Ice cube has said many times that the NBA holds the BIG3 back.
We ain't watching that or big 😁
Gil , assessment in life as a NBA player was excellent , raw and very informative!!
This was so quality...so raw...so deep..
Thank you for this....As a former college athlete, I really appreciated and identified with all that was said. Those years of practice and competing on the highest level and then to have it go away, never to return is a shock. what is normal after being pampered and living the " good " life. At least I can go to my old school see my name in the Hall of Fame and say, yes, you did accomplish something in your lifetime but this talk is so real...
What school and sport my dude? Keep it LITERALLY one step and day. And remember. Those coaches that showed you the skills and love, were once YOU. Become that for some young kid and make him dream and accomplish like you did. It may not fulfill you but, I promise you will understand the WHY.
I attended Texas A&I University in Kingsville, Texas. Same school that produced John Randle, gene Upshaw and Darrell Greene, all Hall of famers in football. I ran track and still have the school record in the 120 yd hh's today. I have gone on to teach on all levels of education, coach basketball and track and now have an international art company. Gi9ving back is important to me...@@walkerenterprise1764
Man I’m also a former college football player and when I was done, I stopped my routine and it has cost me later in life
K mart can't even pretend he don't like McCants lmaooooo I'm deady
Deady? Smh 🤦🏽♂️
@@uncleb7821 outta the whole comment that's all you got huh son name uncleb tho tragic 🤦🏾♂️
@@uncleb7821😂😂😂
kmart is the worst one
@@ItsGoodieilliterate moment
Thank you for the honesty fellas. ✊🏽🙏🏾
We all go thru it at a certain time in life.
Great segment! Really informative stuff.
As a former bodyguard of an NBA Hall of Fame player, I can say without question that the transition from a superstar athlete, to an average dude, is extremely hard for the majority of players. Especially for those who lacked the knowledge and/or discipline to secure the financial resources to sustain the lifestyle that they're accustomed to. Those are the players that suffer the most. Because the minute the money disappears, everything that came with the money disappears, e.g. fake ass women, fake ass friends, fake ass family members and fake ass business associates. And when that reality kicks in, it's extremely hard for them to process. And it's extremely hard to watch it unfold.
Facts
Mccants be killing me 😂😂
😭bro talking like he was jordan
@@6jackson650 bro yes like dude didnt even make it to all star game lol
McCants is Top 10
Best conversation y’all had
That’s real talk. Guys thanks for sharing.
Probably the realest show you guys have had… 💯 Any real hooper living that post-hoop life can relate…
After playing college ball and going into the real world of a “job” I went through severe depression. Not having your brothers around, working out as a team everyday, the days of looking the those lights above your head on game day… practically your entire life since 4 has been acknowledged as a successful basketball player. It’s your identity. I eventually played professionally basketball but man that was hard to get over
That’s real. People who make goofy comments they never played high level sports or sacrificed anything in life. Played ball forever and military over 10 years and still going. I will be dealing with it even more soon when I retire.
What school did you play for?
@@davidpark2509 Played for UofSC.
@@ajyearby2425 My dad did the same thing. Still talks about it until this day.
You worshipped a game and the status. College is early 20s. You're just like other college students
Most honest sequence so far ...Kudos!👍
Great episode, real talk 🔥💯👌🏾
Mccants lost in the sauce fr 🤦🏾♂️😂😂😂
Right bro took it a whole diffent route 🤣
This dude talk and act like he was 20 year HOFer or something. I honestly can’t even remember him in the NBA.
Talking about he ain't a civilian or a "normal nigga" but had a less than average career. If not for Gil's show, nobody would remember who he is, but he not normal? 😂
@@user-ir2xv3bk2lfacts his career at UNC is all I know after that it was a wrap
Might be their best episode. They went deep and all their takes were really good.
The Best Storyline So Far !!!!!!!!!🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉❤
The realest conversation this cast has ever had. Respect
Love both k martin and McCants answers....
Gil keep it 💯 real at the end 💯 👌..
Fire 🔥 Kings 🤴 🔥 🙌....
Military prison and athletes all can relate 2 that Depression Gil.
When reality kicks in, u find out who u really are..
It makes sense. Imagine working towards the NBA everyday. Like everyone can play a sport but practicing, chances are, every day. Shooting, dribbling, working on your skills. Before school, during and after. And then you do the same thing in college. And assuming you make it to the league now you have to work to stay in the league. And then one day, it's all over. You don't have to wake up early anymore. Don't get to practice, don't get to play games. You know have to figure out what to do with the rest of your life after a good chunk of it at that moment was basketball. And what sucks is that some of these guys probably haven't thought about what they like besides basketball. Never took the time to discover themselves. It's just basketball to them.
That was good stuff, very insightful.
Thanks, Gil. I understand you so clearly. Before, I didn't like you but I love you, Man❤
Nick Young had me DYING!!!!! 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
People see the money and think life great
But a lot of guys lose their purpose. You been age 13, for some younger, committed to one thing. Then there’s the aches and pains of the injuries from when you played.
Losing your sense of purpose is one of the most harmful things athletes face post career. Especially mentally.
Facts, they’re rich, but it is a little sad. They should make a movie or soemthing about it
@@RandomShowerThoughts It's like you making millions playing a sport, but now you can't wake up without pain, on medications, some of your joints don't look correct, and you can't even play the sport you spent years trying to improve your craft in.
And not having a purpose is the rest of the 99% problem
@@RainbowBandana yeah. There's a very good chance even with money you're still going to have to deal with some issues
Except your purpose can change… like regular ass people lol
This is INSIGHTFUL! Thanks gents!
Love it. They keep it really. Life after the game initially can be very tough.
McCant is my guy but regardless of all he said , you’re still a civilian bro lol
Lol facts, bro said a whole lot of nothing
Gil Smoked this segment.. very well said
i love this convo
I'm literally going thru that depression/ figuring shit out & growin into my ultimate self part.... 😵😵 Sheeeesh!
On God that shit hit home so so crazy it's wild... 😵 #SuperReal conversation right here!
Nick look like he was in ross
😂😂
LOL, he was in Target. You could make out the Target brand socks in the background.
This was arguably one of Gilbert Arenas best shows, educating the audience on real life. This was nice because it had nothing to do with propping up favorite NBA players, talking about the money being made, comparing eras etc. It's simple real homely talk. I could see it in their eyes how they missed the limelight, the cameras, the money, the attention etc. This platform is like gracefully detoxing from the game, because they know this is as close at it gets to where they came from. It's like a sad ending to a good story.
And what people don't understand, is that playing professional sports allows them to live a fairytale lifestyle, living out all the fantasies they ever wanted in life. Traveling around the world, meeting celebrities from all walks of life, government officials, the women, wild sex parties, etc. Suddenly everything comes to a crashing end and it's all over. I see former players like Patrick Ewing, Gary Payton, Michael Jordan, Anfernee Penny Hardaway, George iceman Gervin as they've gained weight over the years as they've aged.
Then you see people like Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Oscar Robertson, Jerry West, and you see father time has engulfed them so they stay away from the cameras as much as possible. Some end up going to jail in trying to keep that money flowing with fake insurance policies, Eddie Johnson went to prison after turning to a life of crime, he's now deceased. Once prolific scorer John Drew went homeless, as did Ray Williams and Delonte West. Heck I wouldn't be surprised if Shaquill Oneal suddenly died of a heart attack from gaining so much weight since his retirement, Kendrick Perkins as well, along with Antoine Walker. All of those guys are well over 350 to 400 lbs easily. Life after sports is gruesome. I didn't play professional sports but I played in college and recreational until around 36 before I stopped altogether, and I played at 175lbs at 6'4. I ended up gaining weight and ballooned all the way up to 335lbs before I decided to get it together and lose the weight, I got it all the way down to 198lbs at age 49, jogging, doing pushups, crunches and yoga. Plus I had to stop the eating and push away from the table at Kenyon Martin said. I know I'm being long winded but this was good stuff, thanks guys.
Great conversation and insight
Gil was the only one who spoke with reality his angle was well spoken and heart felt