How To Install Ring And Pinion Gears
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- On this episode I go over how to install ring and pinion gears in a ford 8.8 rear end. Hope you dig it.
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Man, I have watched a bunch of videos and read plenty of articles on installing R & Ps and I truly believe that after watching yours, I have a very good understanding of how to do it (finally). Thanks man!!
lol...glad I could help
Growing up over sixty years ago around a family of mechanics I'd say your video was excellent. You went over every aspect of setting up a ring and pinion, one thing was missing though, showing the contact pattern. Thanks for knowing what you are talking about and not misleading people with BS, that maybe why you have so many subs, here's one more for you.
I cant tell you how many videos I have watched and NONE up until your video showed me how to PROPERLY set up pinion depth. I knew there was a tool but did not know how to use and do calculations. I did not know what that number meant on the pinion but now I understand. I had a gear whine and could not figure it out. Took it to a GEAR SHOP and still did not fix it. I will now make sure to set pinion depth to the specs. Thanks a lot for this video it is much appreciated
I have done industrial machine repair for 40 years in the automotive industry. This is one of the best videos i have seen on setting up a ring and pinion. I love the use of gages and indicators. There are some things he did not show but that was ok. I always watch about 10 videos and throw half of the info out...lol. I also teach gearboxes, bearings, seals and shaft alignment for the local college. Very impressed when i go into a garage and they use precision equipment.
The notes I took down were ''This a job for a professional not me" great in depth video!
NOW I get it! Thanks for taking all the 'rigging' out of setting up a Ring and Pinion! GREAT JOB!!
Just found your video on ring and pinion installation.
Wanted to thank you for the outstanding and easily understandable way you explained everything!
The reason I was searching for a video on the subject is because I bought a new 2019 Ran 1500 Laramie Longhorn truck that is in the shop for a ring and pinion replacement. I've had trouble with it clunking since day one. Obviously it wasn't installed correctly at the factory and it destroyed itself in the first 2,000 miles.
I wanted to educate myself on what exactly the dealer was replacing. From what I understand, gear swapping is somewhat of an art.
You video was so well done and everything explained so easy to understand.
My Ram is a total piece of junk, so I'm expecting the worst with all of its many factory defects.
Thanks again for the awesome video!
Finally a video on rear differentials using a pinion depth gauge! A pattern could look good yet the depth still be off a few thousandths, and that little bit makes all the difference on how long the gear lasts. Too many folks pay no attention to the depth measurement stamped on the face of the pinion. Thanks for the proper instruction! 👍🏼
The depth gauge gets you the right depth the first time. You can do it without the gauge, you just have to use trial and error to get the pattern marking on the ring gear not to close to the flank or face of each gear.
First video of yours I've seen. Well done Brother! You're up one subscriber!
sweeet...thanks Dale
I have literally been taking notes worded for me this entire video. I laughed when you brought up taking notes! I will be studying this info and I hope I can get the job done myself!
I have been watching your videos religiously for awhile now, and I really love how you do everything right but still get really artsy shots. Can tell you really like doing it. Keep it up man!
lol...thanks man
Appreciate the video, I have to do this soon and your video cleared up loads of questions!
Many thanks.
No problem...thanks for watching
I need to watch this vid 10 more times. I want to be a pro at installing ring and pinion, it’s such a scary process because of how precise you have to be and details and precision are not one of my strong points. Thank you for taking your time to make this vid.
Video was very detailed and took the fear away from actually doing this type of job. One of the best videos I've seen so far
Thanks a lot. Stay blessed
Been looking for someone who can explain without getting too technical, I knew of "back lash/pinion depth" but did not how to do them, this guy made it so easy to understand. Have subscribed and looking forward to more of the same. Thank you
Absolutely fantastic video! Thank you for going through all of it and explaining it clearly! I've been stuck with my Lexus diff sitting in pieces cause there's way too much binding when I put it all together. Nothing made sense for a while till I watched this. Much appreciated!
awesome....glad I could help
I'll have to pull the back end off my old GMC van to replace the bearings, and this video gave me some confidence to do it myself. Thank you!
this is my favorite episode. amazing information. best video I've seen on a rear gear replacement/rebuild. at first i was kind of lost. never seen the gauge before then at the end it all made sense. awesome video! I am much more confident in replacing the gears in my sn95! I wanted to run different gears as my build gets closer and closer to finish and now I'm not afraid to do this. thank you!
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Great Video man, Im ASE Certified but its been a few years since I built a rear end this was an awesome refresher course. All the info came flooding back watching it. Thank you for the awesome content.
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Dude, thank you for making this video! Currently working on a Ford 7.5, my first ever rear end assembly. You helped me understand it much better
Howd it go
Vid right now is 4 1/2 years old, just found your channel and will go hunting more... Biggest kudo I got to give ya (other than an excellently made vid with the simplicity you explained everything) is that you don't have overbearing crappy music blasting all over the place! Def makes me want to find more of your vids... hope the rest are of the same quality .... Good work!!!
Thanks. Great Video. I have been turning wrenches for years but never tackled the ring and pinion. I am about to do my 97 chevy Z-71. Im pushing 400,000 miles on the original rear end and engine. I think its about time for the new pinion gears.
The way you explained this was great. Makes me feel confident in doing my gears and more terrified at the same time. Thanks for the video!
one of the better videos on regear thank you
+joe smith thanks
Yeah man definitely simplified it a lot and made it less stressful to regear an axle haha good shit man 👍
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The Fab Forums what’s the background track!? I know that from somewhere
Great overall description and explanation of the distinction between pinion depth and backlash relationship between ring and pinion.
Most detailed video I've seen on ring & pinion installation. You explained everything perfect. Thank you for this video. This is what I needed to know that no one else would/could explain.
awesome. glad I could help
Thanks man , you cleared up a few gray areas that I had on this procedure . Nice work .
no problem. glad I could help
Brother, thank you for the video that covers opinion depth like I needed. Your instructions were easy to follow and easily understandable like I needed! Keep up the good work and pet your faithful 4 legged friend for me!
I've watched tons of videos on setups you're by far the best.
20 minutes ago I had so many questions. It's unbelievable how many of them were answered in this video. Thanks!
no problem...glad I could help
First bang on simple description of measuring pinion depth I've seen. Thank you for that.
no problem
This video was very well put together and very informative. The information that you gave is just as detailed as some of my automotive classes that I am taking. Thank you and you earned a new subscriber
awesome...thanks
Good show and cool dog!
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Tim here, Sheri's husband. You could be a teacher, spot on details of what to do. Easy to follow. Thank you.
Lovin your videos man you go into alot of detail and cover all aspects of equipment/fabwork. Keep em comin, from Australia 🤘
thanks...glad you dig it
Awesome. Pinion installs arent as scaring once you've done a few but that first one can be for sure. I used the bedliner spray on a few things like the tops of my strut towers and under the floor pans. This last time around I used POR15 on the housing. 100% glad I did. Never used it before but it turned out great and strong as hell for a coating.
for sure
Awesome job man, explained perfectly. ive done several and still learn because all ive done have not been perfect.
Extremely helpful 👌🏻 seriously one of the best videos explaining everything
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Thank you for your video, I would have been lost without it. This is my first time ever I had to rebuild a rear but now I feel like an expert.
your welcome
This is the best teaching video that I have ever seen regarding rear end set up. Well done young man!!!
+dadams19111 thanks
OUT-FREAKING-STANDING video! Fixing to go from 3.73 to 4.11 on my Wrangler and this was just what I needed to know!
awesome. glad I could help
Very , very good explanation of ring and pinion gear setup. And I will always remember "loose is fast". How true.
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One of the best you tube videos I've seen!! It was easy to understand.
thanks Nathan
Only video of yours ive seen. Very well executed. Really well taught and informative. Didnt screw around and get off topic. Keep up these videos you did a really good job on this.
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Best video I’ve seen yet describing everything about setting up rearend ....thanks for your time..
+Daniel McGraw Thanks
Believe it or not, there's more to selecting a ring and pinion for your 12-bolt than choosing the gear ratio. For example, Richmond Gear offers "street gears" and "pro gears". Here’s some comparative info: Rockwell hardness tests of OE production line gears reveal a typical minimum Rockwell "C" specification of approximately 59-63. The Richmond 8620 material "street" gears register approximately 60-64 on the Rockwell scale. Richmond "Pro gears" (9310 material) will register approximately 52-56 on the Rockwell "C" scale. Why incorporate a "soft" construction for high performance gears? The reason is impact loading. When a relatively high amount of shock loading is introduced into a conventional "hard" ring and pinion, the gears can shatter. Softer construction allows for a certain amount of tooth "bending", but this is certainly preferred over shattered teeth. Because of the differences in Rockwell hardness, gears destined for drag race use only ("Pro" series) are not appropriate for street or street-strip use. The gears wear rapidly because of the softness. Due to this fact, all cars destined to see some amount of street use should make use of street gears.
Thanks for the video you gave me the confidence I can do it. I'm deep into a Dana 44 and a GM 12 bolt on a 72 Blazer build.
Great video. I never thought of messing with the rear before. I would consider it for sure now, it didn't look too difficult at all
thanks...its not crazy complicated
Great teaching style on your video! Do you torque down the pinion with bearing and shim to check the pinion depth? If so what torque value do you torque to pinion preload torque spec before checking the depth? I am about to tackle regears on my 2017 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon...
Thanks for the info and step by step instructions. I need to do this on my ram 2500 in the very near future since put a set of 40/15.5s on it. I'll look at your links and see what I can find for tools.
thank you so much for this video. I have a 99 Yukon that has 4.56 gears in and i wanna rebuild a 14 bolt for it next year. I was terrified to attempt this on my own but this video really showed me how this works. thanks again man.
no problem
Another solid video. I'll be doing this in the coming weeks for my '86 build.
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That's the video! That's what I'm talking about! Very informative and fun to watch! Masterpiece!
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Thanks for giving us average 9 to 5 grinders a method we all can accomplish in our garage without investing in special knowledge & tools only big garages have. Big thanks for the links cause I'm going to rebuild my Chevy 12bolt 1/2 ton truck Rearend. It's taken me years to get a press, garage, & tools for the job. All I need is a depth guage, dial indicator, & inch lbs torque wrench to measure preload. Great Job man👍. I did take notes.🤔
Probably the best diff setup video out there. Well done
thanks man
So much knowledge.
Thank you for sharing your incredible knowledge as always be
Blessed you and your Family
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thanks for the video really helpful I am putting 4.56 gears in my 96 ram and this video really helped me figure out the backlash thank bro.
no problem
Great vid bro very instructive, wish I had this video about 10 years ago. I see this vid having a lot of views by garage techs doing their own builds.
thanks....
I was worried I wouldn't make much sense to some folks
I too appreciate your video, very helpful for what tools I need. 2002 Ford F150 5.4L for my job!
Your video is great. I wish they were all this way. Some people go way too far in depth with useless info. Great job you taught me something ;)
+Allan Bancroft thanks
One of the best videos I've found, helped me to better understand. Thanks!
glad I could help
Bro, you're awesome...Thx man...RG 1999 Jeep Cherokee xj d30 front aussie locker 8.25 chry rear 456 gear ratio 33 inch procomp
A very good presentation on how to set up a rear end. Well done!
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straight forward, informative, and appreciated! Good work on the video!! Thanks!
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Dude...that was a great video! I think I may be able to do this now...thank you!!!!
Awesome video brother! Even the belt commercial was funny.
hey mate{ozzie} loved the video, presentation of job and exactly how its done, well done, best i have seen ,only seen one of yours so far subscribed
Never knew about a crush sleeve eliminator. Getting ready to swap down my gears for my Ranger. Have a 4.10 gear, engine is now a 5.0 V8 and the trans is a M5OD-R2. 1st gear is useless so I'm considering a 3.27. One of the things that's been holding me up from doing the swap is all the pickiness of everything, but with the eliminator kit that's something I can definitely deal with. Remove the old crush sleeve, measure it and that should get me my starting point for sleeve/shims! Easy peasy.
This video was extremely helpful! Thank you!
Nice summary for the basics of setting up a rear end... And just to be ANOTHER one who says it; setup bearing is your friend! I keep ones around for the common axles I've done that adjust that way (10 & 10 bolt GMs, and 8.8 Fords like yours); the extra $10 for the bearing is cheap, and it adds to the tool-box, and makes pinion setup a ton easier. Also, good advice on the solid-spacers, the crush sleeves are ok for a basic rebuild, but for performance nothing better.
The ONLY critique might have been to warn people, setting these up is a process and takes time and patience! I rebuilt the Strange 12-Bolt in my Formula earlier this year (All new bearings, seals, Posi Discs/Clutches/Springs, gears, yoke, etc; Only things that weren't replaced were the housing, axles, Posi Carrier and Spider Gears). The Gear setup took about 5ish hours, with a lot of in-&-out for setup and measurements. (With a few short breaks for a beer and swearing).
Otherwise, keep up the good work on these videos!
yeah time and patience is a must
This video was exactly what i have been looking for.
awesome. glad I could help
Thank you! By far the simplest explanation-show-and-tell I've viewed yet! And I've watched too many to count. But I'm an old dog so, if I never done it before and I wanna get it right the first time outa' the box, I gotta go over it until I can see it in my head. You have a great, energetic-laid-back screen presence. You're really good at this, and it shows...but your side-kick is the best!...just sayin'...Timmay!
lol....thanks. Glad I could help
I’ve done several and you explained it very well.
Omg! Thank you so much for putting this together. I get it 100%
Great video would be awesome if you could revisit this and explain more on preload and backlash adjustment
As far as backlash adjustment, if you watch when he's putting the ring gear assy back into the housing, you'll see him with a shim in his right hand on the end of the bearing race. You shim one end or the other (or both) to move the ring gear side to side... I know your comment is a year old, but in case you never got an answer somewhere or someone else has the same ? ... that's how ....
As for Preload, the crush washer he mentions keeps tension on the bearings when not moving, process is similar to when you tighten an axle bearing down to a certain torque, then back off X amount. You put that crush washer in, and torque to spec, and the pressure remains constant on the bearings so you don't wind up too loose or too tight... IMO that is...
Awesome post, the process allways spooked me off but now i think i would tackle it where i have 2 truck axls, 1 is original open 10 bolt in my truck with tall 3.08 gears and a 12 bolt with decent 3.73 gears hooked to a lowish mileage eaton HD LSD that had really low oil when i cracked the cover then i found a siezed pin....im kinda lost what ill do there or even how to remove that pin without trashing everything, i mean its siezed it does not even budge (and yes the retaining bolts removed) and looking online its $250 for just an eaton replacement spider gear set! Thats getting within couple hundred of a compleat unit! ..id much rather use my 12 bolt but the old 10 is good working order with no roached components, any suggestions? Anyway if setting up a diff was a scary dark closet u just flicked the light switch on... Thanks bud!
You are one of the few I have seen actually put the bearing splitter in the press correctly and not bend the threads!
great job like the way you done the video helpful working on a 1968 Camaro RS / SS with a 10 bolt rear end
love how chill it is, and informative!
lol....thanks
I love your videos man. Im an 18 year old and am building my first race car: a 1985 mercury capri. Goals as of right now are a stroked 460, or twin turbo sbf(if i can ever afford a billet block), efi, haltech, wilwoods, a built 8.8, cage, and a suspension designed/crafted by me (Im starting my mechanical engineering classes at texas A&M as of august 29th). You are a great inspiration and I love your videos. Have a fantastic day and Gig em!
sweet! I had a 79 capri when I was in High School... Mustang with bigger fenders. I think I will be in Kyle when Clemson plays A&M in 2018
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Thank you for the quality video. My understanding of this job is now complete🖒
no problem...glad you dig it
Great video. I had never seen the pinion gauge used before. That was informative. Thank you!
I do however have one suggestion on improving your solution.
It is regarding bearing pre-load:
The crush collar is actually used to do exactly what it states.. To "Pre-Load" or put tension on the bearings. This can be a real pain in the ass process but I have found it to greatly improve the life of the bearings and as a HEAVY off-road guy, it has saved me from repeatedly blowing my diff (I had problems with this before I understood what pre-load was.) My pinion gear would get sloppy due to the lack of pre-load and when I put a heavy load on it, it would bind into the ring gear and cause parts to fail. Even had a carrier, ring gear and some other parts blow out of my rear diff. once. It looked like my truck had the Jack Daniels black tar shits...
The manufacturer specification will vary but generally it is between 15-30 in lbs.
After tightening, incrementally check your bearing pre-load by putting an in. lbs tq wrench on the pinion nut, setting it to the prescribed pre-load and then it should have the proper amount of resistance before calling it good.
A pinion shim does that exact same thing as a crush sleeve as far as bearing preload. The shims are just way more reliable though. The crush sleeves are just a quick and easy way for the manufacture to mass produce the rear ends.
I usually go cross eyed when I think about gears 🤪 Your video really cleared some things up 👍🏼👍🏼
Very reassuring, thank you for the moral support. Yes! I can do this! Also great video.
+sethers 775 thanks
Best job of installation ever heard!!!!
I used Rustoleum spray in bedliner on the 8.8 in my 93 GT, also sprayed the engine bay with it as well. Pretty durable stuff and cheap!
I am a fan for sure
Fantastic video my man! Remarkably helpful
thanks...glad I could help
tech tip..on my rears i hit the pinions with emery cloth so the pinion bearings can be slid on by hand and off using 2 screw drivers..this eliminates having to press them on and off or to use a mock bearing that is the same as your races..once you tighten the pinion nut it keeps it all together with no issue..this makes life easy if you ever want to swap gears at a track or just setting up the rears..both my 8.8 and 7.5 are setup like this..for solid pinion spacers ill use a crush sleeve first if brand new rear to tell me what thickness i need..old one ill use it to get a starter number to use
I could see that as a set up bearing but I would use it like that. They are meant to be press fit to combat pinion defection. I do the same thing with the crush sleeves
+The Fab Forums you're taking the material off the pinion its self not the bearing like u do for a check bearing..once its all bolted together its no issue..ive done it for yrs now along with a bunch of other racers i know..i actually learned it from a old timer..you barely take material off the pinion where the bearing will ride..when bolted together your good..if its going to deflect with the pinion depth shim behind it she will deflect if its a light press on deal or a heavy press on deal seeing its all bolted together and the space between the bearings where the shim and its support dont change..i know people who do the same type deal on 2500hp cars with ford 9"s..i would only do it if using a solid pinion spacer because in that app when sandwiched together by the pinion nut it has nothing that can change besides the bearing and races wearing into one another which u take into account when doing the rear anyways
+ghost727 i new if i looked on yellowbullet i would find a thread talking about it here you go www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1637698#/enter
Ever seen any evidence of the bearing race slipping on the Pinion after doing this? That's my only concern on doing something like this. (On both race or street driven applications?)
+97FormulaWS-6 nope,think about how much force it takes to crush a crush sleeve.. you got like 225+#s of tq pulling the bearings together and locking them in place on the inner cages like normal..so the path of least resistance is still the bearing assembly so it will spin normal..the whole bearing its self would have to lock up before it would probably spin..just as you pull material off make sure to do a little then check,then a tad more till you get it right..you dont want it to just fall on.
First thing you should do with that rear end bro is throw it away, get a 9", or a Sterling 10.5 or 10.25, maybe a Dana. But, it's your build, and you did an awesome job setting up that gearing! And, I thought you did a fantastic job explaining everything... This is the best video on TH-cam on how to setup the gears in a rear end, great, great job!! New Subscriber!
this rear will hadle 1000+ hp and its lighter than all those you mensioned
Good educational video i just got a 96 gmc jimmy was told ring n pinion are bad has very loud metallic clapping noise in rear.. u joints replaced still making noise I'll open cover and investigate im just learning about diffs like completely new to me i know about engines , brakes , suspension but i figure knows as good a time to learn as any , im just confused with spider gears, maybe those are for limited slip ?? I'll watch more videos before i attempt a ring and pinion replacement...thanks again very inspiring video😎
Nice video! Very detailed.
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Finally someone who knows what they are talking about!Thank you !
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I want to change the stock ring and pinion out of my 89 Firebird Formula and put in a 373 and of course the matching gear for the transmission. After watching this you want to know what I learned, I learned I need to pay a professional to do it 😁. Great video!
That axle looks as clean as the day I made it! 30yr vet to Sterling Axle brotha, build looks awesome
thanks man
thanks! good tips for someone that's never done it. fixing to try a dana 60 rebuild
Thank you! I feel a little bit better about attempting this job in my garage. Great explanation!
Outstanding walk through!
awesome video man! alot of info in 20 min. thanks
+black85chevy thanks man
Great Video man.. feeling much better about tackling Thanks!
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Thank you. Now I just got to do this to a 2011 silverado. .