A little about ww2 re-enactment in the UK, the first large group in the UK were the WW2 Battle Reenactment Association formed in about 1978. They had British infantry and airborne, German infantry and a PG unit, American infantry and airborne units. The VAST majority of uniforms, equipment and weapons were original. Weapons were often bored out to smooth bore to comply with law. I joined in 1982 as a 19 year old and have had a love of military history to this day.
those are not all garands, but m1903 bolt action rifles, which along with the trench gun i guess is for early Pacific campaigns, where the marines weren't yet issued Garands.
The Sd.Kfz 251 is the C version, used from 1941 to 1944 approx. The A version (ausf. A) was pretty much only used during the Poland invasion. The B was mainly used in 1940 in the invasion of France and the low countries, although it was used in greece and north africa as well, and some specimens survived until later in the war.
German uniforms actually did noticeably change over the years. The M1936 coat had a dark green collar which the later uniforms didn't, the M1942 did away with the pleating (That little fold of cloth on their pockets) and the M1943 replaced the scalloped pocket flaps with a straight cut. The Germans in the "Later war" kits are really more early-mid war. But they could be used for anything past Barbarossa really. Germans didn't turn in their uniforms as soon as the new ones came out. You'd find guys with grey pants, M1936 jackets and jackboots. Rarely on the same guy, though.
just a little addendum: Grenadiers were not Panzer support troops, those were the Panzergrenadiers. Grenadier was just a title awarded to all Heer Infantry in 42/43 to make the veterans feel special =) The structure didn't really change though they were still equipped the same way as before, 1 MG34/42 per squad.
This is a different Dday fistfight to the one i had I had one with out the halftrack and it was a hard cover rule book and u had to glue the hubs into hands
IIRC the big reason they all had gas masks for D-Day was because the British made so much that it would be able to wipe out any invasion army after the fall of france in secret, so thought "if we were going to do it..."
Quick Reference sheet, the Demo Gamers on the Bolt Action Australia New Zealand, have an awesome one, with page references and everything. They constantly update it when FAQs are released as well.
I absolutely love this video, but on the American Weapons Sprue, half of the rifles are actually 1917 Enfields (or maybe 1903 Springfields, they look very similar). That's probably my favorite detail about the weapon sprue, meaning it can be used to equip even very early American units that hadn't received the M1 Garand yet- think Marines in the Pacific early on. Sorry, that was really the only thing that stuck out, otherwise I loved the video.
The Springfield 1903 was just being replaced in the American military at the start of ww2. Even in 1942 there was still a smattering of 1903's in American forces, and perhaps more in the USMC units (as the U.S. Army tended to get equipment faster and earlier).
The only real problem I have with both this set, and the Assault on Normandy set, is the fact that you're limited to either Americans or Germans. Where I appreciate that the biggest market for the game is going to be Stateside, after having Americans & Germans in the AoN set, it would've been nice to have some other forces in this one (ok, so you're kinda limited to Germans as one of the forces, but it would've been nice to see British or Russians as the opposing force) - just for those who have no real interest in playing Amercans or Germans ... I know it's a piece of complete tongue in cheek fiction (but it is a classic), in Kelly's Heroes, Oddball's sidearm is a captured Luger ...
TheTESbros I'd love some early war stuff or some Japanese/Italian equipment. Zvesda and Plastic Soldier Company do a few 28mm miniatures for Poland and 1 Italian plane.
you can also make your own wargaming game rules by using models form modelkits n stuff and reenact battles(but that means you will have to do a lot of research in history books or other soorts of books) i love to see some early ww2 Dutch armys & battleship cruisers like you can play the indo/dutch war with the famed ships like the american and dutch agains the japanese battleships
+joe nardo The .30 cal. is a 110 grain bullet(a .223 is only 40 grain) at 2000fps, a bit more than puny it's actually similar to a .357 magnum except its a lighter bullet at a higher speed, but the ballistic co-efficient is there to make such a comparison. Honestly for me (an American) to hear Europeans talking about weaponry that I fire on a regular basis and yet I know they have never probably fired in their lifetime is a bit humorous. Basically what made the .30 cal. great is that the average soldier could carry three times the ammo that they could for the Garand(30-06), and yet the .30 cal was more than sufficient to kill or seriously wound an enemy soldier, quite frankly the 30-06 was a bit of overkill especially with open sights. This new idea of smaller rounds with less recoil had a major influence on the decision to go with the modern cartridges for combat rifles(7.62x39, 223, 5.56)....As far as the effective distance of a shotgun goes. I can take an 18" barrel defense style shotgun with #2 goose shot and destroy pumpkins at 30 yards, obviously not a long range weapon, but a bit more than these guys are thinking....All that said these guys do an amazing job at presenting the material and obviously have extensive knowledge about WW2 weaponry, vehicles, and uniforms.
AK47 - From Wiki The AK-47 is best described as a hybrid of previous rifle technology innovations:[25] the trigger mechanism,[26] double locking lugs and unlocking raceway[citation needed] of the M1 Garand/M1 carbine, the safety mechanism of the John Browning designed Remington Model 8 rifle,[citation needed] and the gas system of the Sturmgewehr 44.[citation needed] Kalashnikov borrowed the long stroke piston design from the M1 Garand, with the op rod and piston mounted on the top instead of the bottom of the rifle.[27] Kalashnikov's team had access to all of these weapons and had no need to "reinvent the wheel",[25] though he denied that his design was based on the German Sturmgewehr 44 assault rifle.[28] Kalashnikov himself observed: "A lot of Russian Army soldiers ask me how one can become a constructor, and how new weaponry is designed. These are very difficult questions. Each designer seems to have his own paths, his own successes and failures. But one thing is clear: before attempting to create something new, it is vital to have a good appreciation of everything that already exists in this field. I myself have had many experiences confirming this to be so."[13] There are claims about Kalashnikov copying other designs, like Bulkin's TKB-415[2] or Simonov's AVS-31. Also the gewer 43 has a detachable 10 round magazine although it was reloaded with stripper clips like the K98
Yes, it is. it's official classification was StG44, furthermore it fired a rifle round, not a pistol round like normal sub-machine guns. It's name Sturm Gewehr translates to 'storm rifle', although when associated with military hardware it can be translated as 'assault' instead, so it's name is literally Assault Rifle-1944.
I was disappointed by the poor quality pin markers. I was expecting at least pre cut cardboard not the thin cut it out yourself thin card. It is cool they are there but expected a bit better quality.
***** Bit of practice you'll be fine. Its not got to be perfect, as long as people see your passion for the game. Look at FOW FTW I love watching Dave and Warren forget and miss play rules.
I wish there was some sort of guide as to how to put them together for someone like me that's never played before. I looked on Warlords web site but no ins on how to put them together :(
Tollmart Greybeard If I remember correctly there are instructions on the side of the box for this. :) In fact if you look at the side of the box on this video you can see the side of a sprue?? That's the instructions. :)
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what is the best type of glue for this. because i got some warhammer 40k models and citadel glue and the glue didn't work. they stuck for like a day the the glue just became brittle as fuck. so if someone can enplane this or suggest a better glue or a tip that would be great cus i really want this tks great vid
i enjoy these videos, but i cant help to notice that you guys talk about a few things as though you are experts(weapons etc), and just fails at it ;) but nice videos and i like you anyways... PS Saving private ryan came out 1998 not 1994-95. =)
Shotguns were not banned by the Geneva convention, rather the Germans pushed for them to be banned and the allied powers laughed them off. They were not a common piece of gear in Europe during ww2 though.
17:48 Actualy (sorry someone else may have done this already) Sturmgewer LITTERALY translates as Storm-Rifle, thusly being the only REAL assault rifle in existance, assault is a rough translation which is interchangable but still tecnicaly improper. Sorry I'm just a stitch counter of grammer, and in general.
Ok Sturm Gewehr translates to Storm Rifle. Assault rifle is derived from it but The correct translation is Storm as in to storm a position and the Gewher 43 fires 10 rounds of 7.92x57 otherwise known as 8mm mauser. Literally right after grinding people over calling the k98 a kar98 you make an amateur mistake like these. You look no better. This is the first corrective comment I've made on things like this in over a year. That's how much I have been lets say disgruntled. That being said you actually do a good job of showing off the kit. I'm not unhappy that you made the mistakes I'm unhappy at the fact that you talked about others making those mistakes and then you did it yourself. I haven't even watched the full video yet. I had to stop and wright this comment before continuing.
Its a great box and what you get at an end result is awesome.but... for a starter set, do i really want to be fiddling about and building a man by arm and leg, mixing around with positions and weapons. no, i want to play the game. I think all the choices of weapons and arm selections will turn people away if they end up buying the kit starting to build it but not finishing it. It should be more standard, specific weapons to start with and a new handout which explains what else you can do with another set. The build time is what is turning me away from these kits. Many will disagree with what i am saying but im just giving my view.
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A little about ww2 re-enactment in the UK, the first large group in the UK were the WW2 Battle Reenactment Association formed in about 1978. They had British infantry and airborne, German infantry and a PG unit, American infantry and airborne units.
The VAST majority of uniforms, equipment and weapons were original. Weapons were often bored out to smooth bore to comply with law. I joined in 1982 as a 19 year old and have had a love of military history to this day.
I hope they will come out with an Eastern front starter set
Getting it right is so riddy important. The 'stitch counter' is the custodian of the past. I am glad they are around.
those are not all garands, but m1903 bolt action rifles, which along with the trench gun i guess is for early Pacific campaigns, where the marines weren't yet issued Garands.
The Sd.Kfz 251 is the C version, used from 1941 to 1944 approx. The A version (ausf. A) was pretty much only used during the Poland invasion. The B was mainly used in 1940 in the invasion of France and the low countries, although it was used in greece and north africa as well, and some specimens survived until later in the war.
its the same content thats in the band of brothers box for second edition, but it has plastic pin counters in it
*it literally translates to storm rifle, not assault gun....(basically the same thing, but still)
German uniforms actually did noticeably change over the years. The M1936 coat had a dark green collar which the later uniforms didn't, the M1942 did away with the pleating (That little fold of cloth on their pockets) and the M1943 replaced the scalloped pocket flaps with a straight cut. The Germans in the "Later war" kits are really more early-mid war.
But they could be used for anything past Barbarossa really. Germans didn't turn in their uniforms as soon as the new ones came out. You'd find guys with grey pants, M1936 jackets and jackboots. Rarely on the same guy, though.
Mikhail Kalashnikov has said the AK had "NOTHING" to do with the STG-44. But they are suspiciously similar.
just a little addendum:
Grenadiers were not Panzer support troops, those were the Panzergrenadiers.
Grenadier was just a title awarded to all Heer Infantry in 42/43 to make the veterans feel special =) The structure didn't really change though they were still equipped the same way as before, 1 MG34/42 per squad.
This is a different Dday fistfight to the one i had I had one with out the halftrack and it was a hard cover rule book and u had to glue the hubs into hands
29:53 next to the shotgun I are 3 Springfield rifles. Quite different from the M1 garand.
Great Job explaining!
Guys, you can get pin markers just like that already. I think the bloke goes by Historique on his blog.
Awesome box set for a great game ! Good video guys
IIRC the big reason they all had gas masks for D-Day was because the British made so much that it would be able to wipe out any invasion army after the fall of france in secret, so thought "if we were going to do it..."
Quick Reference sheet, the Demo Gamers on the Bolt Action Australia New Zealand, have an awesome one, with page references and everything. They constantly update it when FAQs are released as well.
Good vid
For some reason this game isn't played in America ive been trying to find people to play with in the bay area and there are none :(
I absolutely love this video, but on the American Weapons Sprue, half of the rifles are actually 1917 Enfields (or maybe 1903 Springfields, they look very similar). That's probably my favorite detail about the weapon sprue, meaning it can be used to equip even very early American units that hadn't received the M1 Garand yet- think Marines in the Pacific early on. Sorry, that was really the only thing that stuck out, otherwise I loved the video.
The Springfield 1903 was just being replaced in the American military at the start of ww2. Even in 1942 there was still a smattering of 1903's in American forces, and perhaps more in the USMC units (as the U.S. Army tended to get equipment faster and earlier).
shotgun were used in jungle warfare maybe its for that.
why bolt action not sell a ready to play d-day firefight
might have been mentioned before... Saving Private Ryan was in '99
Ah sorry lads - M1 Carbine used a .30 calibre (7.62mm) 'short' round - much less powerful than the M1 Garand Bullet not a 5.2mm round
the metric designation is 7.62×33mm (.30 Carbine) to the Garand's 7.62×63mm (.30-06). He's still right in that it is a pretty weakass cartridge.
Don't try to act like I don't see that heroscape box in the backround bae (;
Great starter box! well thought out.
Great vid guys, please do some Bolt Action BatReps.
Bolt Action or Flames of War ???
The only real problem I have with both this set, and the Assault on Normandy set, is the fact that you're limited to either Americans or Germans. Where I appreciate that the biggest market for the game is going to be Stateside, after having Americans & Germans in the AoN set, it would've been nice to have some other forces in this one (ok, so you're kinda limited to Germans as one of the forces, but it would've been nice to see British or Russians as the opposing force) - just for those who have no real interest in playing Amercans or Germans ...
I know it's a piece of complete tongue in cheek fiction (but it is a classic), in Kelly's Heroes, Oddball's sidearm is a captured Luger ...
Maybe some Italians would make a nice change, or an early war set with Poland and other easter-side countries.
TheTESbros maby some japanese and english and russians
TheTESbros I'd love some early war stuff or some Japanese/Italian equipment. Zvesda and Plastic Soldier Company do a few 28mm miniatures for Poland and 1 Italian plane.
you can also make your own wargaming game rules by using models form modelkits n stuff and reenact battles(but that means you will have to do a lot of research in history books or other soorts of books) i love to see some early ww2 Dutch armys & battleship cruisers like you can play the indo/dutch war with the famed ships like the american and dutch agains the japanese battleships
Fa l l
Was this filmed back in August?
the m1 carbine is 30 caliber!!!!!!!!
+joe nardo The .30 cal. is a 110 grain bullet(a .223 is only 40 grain) at 2000fps, a bit more than puny it's actually similar to a .357 magnum except its a lighter bullet at a higher speed, but the ballistic co-efficient is there to make such a comparison. Honestly for me (an American) to hear Europeans talking about weaponry that I fire on a regular basis and yet I know they have never probably fired in their lifetime is a bit humorous. Basically what made the .30 cal. great is that the average soldier could carry three times the ammo that they could for the Garand(30-06), and yet the .30 cal was more than sufficient to kill or seriously wound an enemy soldier, quite frankly the 30-06 was a bit of overkill especially with open sights. This new idea of smaller rounds with less recoil had a major influence on the decision to go with the modern cartridges for combat rifles(7.62x39, 223, 5.56)....As far as the effective distance of a shotgun goes. I can take an 18" barrel defense style shotgun with #2 goose shot and destroy pumpkins at 30 yards, obviously not a long range weapon, but a bit more than these guys are thinking....All that said these guys do an amazing job at presenting the material and obviously have extensive knowledge about WW2 weaponry, vehicles, and uniforms.
AK47 - From Wiki
The AK-47 is best described as a hybrid of previous rifle technology innovations:[25] the trigger mechanism,[26] double locking lugs and unlocking raceway[citation needed] of the M1 Garand/M1 carbine, the safety mechanism of the John Browning designed Remington Model 8 rifle,[citation needed] and the gas system of the Sturmgewehr 44.[citation needed]
Kalashnikov borrowed the long stroke piston design from the M1 Garand, with the op rod and piston mounted on the top instead of the bottom of the rifle.[27]
Kalashnikov's team had access to all of these weapons and had no need to "reinvent the wheel",[25] though he denied that his design was based on the German Sturmgewehr 44 assault rifle.[28] Kalashnikov himself observed: "A lot of Russian Army soldiers ask me how one can become a constructor, and how new weaponry is designed. These are very difficult questions. Each designer seems to have his own paths, his own successes and failures. But one thing is clear: before attempting to create something new, it is vital to have a good appreciation of everything that already exists in this field. I myself have had many experiences confirming this to be so."[13]
There are claims about Kalashnikov copying other designs, like Bulkin's TKB-415[2] or Simonov's AVS-31.
Also the gewer 43 has a detachable 10 round magazine although it was reloaded with stripper clips like the K98
Likto to the dials from 1 to 10, as you can only have a max of 10 pins :)
Isn't MP44 technically incorrect? MP means Maschinepistole while StG means Sturm Gewehr. Just wondering, I'm no history enthusiast.
Yes, it is. it's official classification was StG44, furthermore it fired a rifle round, not a pistol round like normal sub-machine guns. It's name Sturm Gewehr translates to 'storm rifle', although when associated with military hardware it can be translated as 'assault' instead, so it's name is literally Assault Rifle-1944.
it was originally called the mp44 because Hitler was against the development of the assault rifle.
paul young Correct, although he was repeatedly pressured by several high-ranking officers who insisted on the weapons effectiveness.
Actually the original designation was MP43
not sure if it's been corrected by another post, but the German infantry lmg and mmg get the extra shot.
not just the mg42.
Cool
I cant believe im seeing this... this late. I would defenitely like one of those starter packs!!!
I was disappointed by the poor quality pin markers. I was expecting at least pre cut cardboard not the thin cut it out yourself thin card. It is cool they are there but expected a bit better quality.
Are we going to see a battle report for you pair?
I would love to do that. But we may fluff up so many rules it might be un-watchable ;)
*****
Bit of practice you'll be fine. Its not got to be perfect, as long as people see your passion for the game. Look at FOW FTW I love watching Dave and Warren forget and miss play rules.
I wish there was some sort of guide as to how to put them together for someone like me that's never played before. I looked on Warlords web site but no ins on how to put them together :(
Tollmart Greybeard If I remember correctly there are instructions on the side of the box for this. :) In fact if you look at the side of the box on this video you can see the side of a sprue?? That's the instructions. :)
Yes I saw them after i posted. ( red face )
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What do I do if I bought this kit and it didn't come with the farmhouse?
what is the best type of glue for this. because i got some warhammer 40k models and citadel glue and the glue didn't work. they stuck for like a day the the glue just became brittle as fuck. so if someone can enplane this or suggest a better glue or a tip that would be great cus i really want this tks great vid
I use the revell plastic cement in the blue bottle with metal tube applicator.
Revell
i enjoy these videos, but i cant help to notice that you guys talk about a few things as though you are experts(weapons etc), and just fails at it ;) but nice videos and i like you anyways... PS Saving private ryan came out 1998 not 1994-95. =)
One of you Guys is very informative and interesting.
The other is a bit of a spare part and adds very little.
Guess which is which ? Sorry.
SPR was 1998 ... apparently ... :-)
The shotgun is really meant for usmc squads. No one in Europe uses shotguns because they were banned by the Geneva convention.
Yeah, same I was thinking. The weapon sprues are the same in both infantry boxes.
Shotguns were not banned by the Geneva convention, rather the Germans pushed for them to be banned and the allied powers laughed them off. They were not a common piece of gear in Europe during ww2 though.
i hope to god that if you purchase this. you don't have to glue all of this together.
You do. Its not as hard as you think.
17:48 Actualy (sorry someone else may have done this already) Sturmgewer LITTERALY translates as Storm-Rifle, thusly being the only REAL assault rifle in existance, assault is a rough translation which is interchangable but still tecnicaly improper. Sorry I'm just a stitch counter of grammer, and in general.
Grammar*
Literally...lol you should use a calculator to count those stitches.
Lonejedi100 Nah, it history and important, so thanks ☺
Ok Sturm Gewehr translates to Storm Rifle. Assault rifle is derived from it but The correct translation is Storm as in to storm a position and the Gewher 43 fires 10 rounds of 7.92x57 otherwise known as 8mm mauser. Literally right after grinding people over calling the k98 a kar98 you make an amateur mistake like these. You look no better. This is the first corrective comment I've made on things like this in over a year. That's how much I have been lets say disgruntled. That being said you actually do a good job of showing off the kit. I'm not unhappy that you made the mistakes I'm unhappy at the fact that you talked about others making those mistakes and then you did it yourself. I haven't even watched the full video yet. I had to stop and wright this comment before continuing.
Yeah watching theseguys they make alot of mistakes with weapons and kit, but they do a great job unboxing
:)
Im german and I actually just dont care. They're just having fun and showing us a cool kit! I dont expect them to translate german.
Its a great box and what you get at an end result is awesome.but... for a starter set, do i really want to be fiddling about and building a man by arm and leg, mixing around with positions and weapons. no, i want to play the game. I think all the choices of weapons and arm selections will turn people away if they end up buying the kit starting to build it but not finishing it. It should be more standard, specific weapons to start with and a new handout which explains what else you can do with another set. The build time is what is turning me away from these kits.
Many will disagree with what i am saying but im just giving my view.
Completely agree