My minimum before spending any money on something for music is to find at least 3 pieces of review type content from completely different types of creators (different genres different personalities different workflows whatever, you be the judge here) and make a decision based off that. The more the better but if something is out there and you can't find at least that much content covering it you shouldn't spend any money on it imo. The biggest red flag is when a creator comes out with a product they're sponsoring and has it available right now (not a prototype or something) and you cant find a single piece of media on it outside of that. At that point you have to wonder if anyone has even tested it yet or has it only ever existed a bubble of yes men.
Basic stuff is good enough to get you through tbh. If you really want analog color, its worth experimenting with bouncing out to simple gear and recording back in to digital. I like VCRs. Hell people had a washboard and made it work, we have a lot more tools now. Google is your friend also
I've been saying that for a while you cant have an affiliate link paired with a review video. It's as bad as a paid review if not worse. There's too much to be gained from a lazy or poor review.
@@Weaverbeats Honestly, affiliate programs are nothing more than a blindfold over the creators. "Affiliate program" is just a fancy label that companies put on their scam, that is they are getting *free* advertising from all the creators. But creators feel its good for their brand, and think it's a revenue opportunity with the 5 or 10% kick back for purchases through their link (that's even if anyone uses the link vs just looking the plugin up). The most devs are missing out on is 5 or 10% discount on a probably already over priced product that has zero manufacturing costs. Accepting "affiliate program" deals is just being bait for them. I would think ideally, saying no to affiliate link royalties or whatever and instead taking a flat fee would be more ideal.
You know what's funny? Peel is an incredibly useful, stable, and snappy plugin that everyone (Zplane included) markets as some sort of stem separation magic trick, when in reality, it's just a super easy-to-use band isolator. For example. you have a drum loop and want to sidechain the kick, send the loop to another muted track, select the kick in the animated graphic, send the output signal to your sidechain bus. No fumbling around with ParaEQ faders. Or as you mentioned, adding reverb to only a snare or something when you don't have stems. If that is of use to you, it's a good deal. But Zplane is a company that makes 90% of their earnings from licensing their pitch and timestretch code/algos to Ableton, FLStudio, Bitwig, etc. They're trying to breakout as a VST company and IMO going about it a bit deceptively, which when coupled with an affiliate program makes it shill bait.
Nice you’re trying to think of the positives, but just isolating the kick region with a parametric isn’t difficult as is, and trying to put a snare reverb on that garbled mess would sound bad anyway.
You know what's funny? Ben being in the same class as other TH-cam product reviewers who, unfortunately and even unintentionally, cause people to buy unnecessary things due to their (at best) partially biased reviews. They are partially biased because they have received the product for free and do not have a monetary attachment to it the same way an actual consumer would. Subconsciously you are not going to be as critical of something.
Amen brother. I had to stop following a bunch of channels recently because it's just gotten ridiculous. And anyway the engineers worth listening to certainly aren't spending their time making TH-cam videos.
@@groovylou8611Facts. I make music as a hobby and I never saw myself apart of a community. I just see myself as someone who happens to make beats as a hobby
It's crazy because the producers that aren't disclosing that they are affiliated with the company are literally breaking the law. You HAVE to disclose your sponsors.
You get 2 types of content creators in the music sphere, those who educate and those who promote. If a channel has very few useful tutorials, I don't take their promo seriously. It works.
Opinion: Buying and using 3rd party vsts will lengthen your years learning music production. Easy solutions rarely provide you the final answer. Overriding your instincts by using a vst on your tracks that causes a myriad of effects you don't truly understand is gonna hurt you in the long run.
Btw, White Sea's link sends to Plugin Boutique, which he mentioned he is an affiliate for. All his reviews he does on the demo, and doesn't receive money upfront. White Sea is one of the very very few who are not shills, unless I'm wrong. Yes he has featured some useless plugin, but he's just giving his opinion, the rest is on you - my 2c.
This plugin exist in Cubase, iZotope,ect. and it's a different way to separate sounds without using Technique with two indetical signals hitting each other ( Colliding to same signals will cancel each other) Negative Correlation and EQ to extract sounds but it's working in Specially produced Music where Bass is mono , Drums are mono and basically Audio have to be Mono compatible for better results. You can do it in every DAW , just reverse phase on one Audio and leave other in original and then with EQ you can do something i was using it for TV commercials and that's the way how we cleaned Audios . I know that Weaver Beats talked about week ago when he analyze Tracks, that's the way you are separating frequencies or you can buy plugin for simple way without needing to understand what is happening.
There's a huge uproar going on atm between professional producers and professional TH-cam content creators about the new MPC X SE, its perceived sound quality, but also about these content creators/influencers really being honest and not some tool of the industry. I think you should check it. Main producer involved here, E-A-Ski.
U know it's FL Gang fam! 😂 Yeah, this one got me awhile ago. They sold me on the "isolate individual elements", never got a usable sample and what I did get I ended up running through a couple EQs and gate to remove the leftover noise and freq. Not trying to "bash" it and I'll keep an eye on Zplane. Side note, pretty decent job cleaning up dialogue but I honestly still think I was faster and more accurate with EQs and gates. Right on brotha! I always appreciated you being willing to take the shots to keep it real. I easily have closer to a thou-wow $$ in plugins not even installed on my system, and damn near 90% that I do use often, you've given good reviews to. Sorry so long, just want to appreciate and say thanks man. 🤘🏾👍🏾
It really sucks when people go about this stuff in a deceptive way. I mean I appreciate the “negativity” because it prevents people from buying useless plugins. Instead of spending $40 on a low grade plugin producers could use that for marketing themselves to help grow. Most of us do this as a hobby, so anytime we end up spending money on useless things that influencers say are great, it sets us back further from promoting ourselves
If you're a full-time music producer, you got to be careful of falling into the trap of buying too many plugins (especially if you don't really need it). Not just is it wasting your money, but it's destracting you from finishing any music at all, and that's the problem I have with TH-cam influencers. They sell you crap and say "this plugin is a must-have and game changer" and make you feel that what you're already have, is not good enough.
This is why when I demo a plugin I have bought it with my own money and I have to really like as well as think it is useful for other people. I also will shoot it out with similar plugins that do the same sorts of things.
Same. Some plugins I own, my friends love-- but they are stupid expensive. So I try others to see if I can make similar results with free or cheaper alternatives so they can get the same-ish results for much less.
❤ yeah I feel it man. Also having just recently making digital music, I understand the shilling that happens in the music industry. I basically have a few extra instruments outside of my DAW's stock stuff. I also have a somewhat poor man's laptop, so I have to take it easy on my processor anyway. I mostly rake TH-cam for ways to do the thing I'm trying to do, as opposed to shopping for gear.
Dude I've been so pissed with this exact same issue with creators. The incentives are too hard to turn down for most. We'd probably make an additional 6 figures/year if we did sponsorships regularly - but we don't. We MAYBE do 3-5 sponsored videos per year and it's never with a brand I don't have a close relationship in terms of me actually loving the products personally. But think about that - if you have an audience you can legit bring in 6 figures just from sponsors if you're good with just making tons of sponsored content... most are not gonna say no to that. I'm not against sponsors but it's GOT to be ethical and GOT to be something you genuinely love and use.. too many are making videos and then never using it again. It's horrible
Benn Jordan's video opened my eyes to just how much money can be made via the affiliate system and I can understand why so many channels get sucked into churning out paid content, but those videos leave me feeling empty. I love your video tutorials that AREN'T just shilling. Please don't ever turn into a shopping channel!
Man, I 100% agree - Thx for pointing this out in your video! Many YT creators actually don't do music BUT they are the ones who tell us what's hip? ^^ twisted, good-running business unfortunately on the cost of many young producers and a lot of confusion which is the opposite of education
I stumbled upon your channel randomly a while back, never missed a video since I think. I like the fact that you're honest and try to debunk a lot of sh*t like this while being funny at the same time. Keep it up!
Yup, man. Regarding to the very beginning of the video, you're the first one to accurately articulate what's been on my mind for a long time. Keep doing it. You may be the first channel I will support with real money. Of course, that's after I stop starving myself XD
Mad respect for calling this out. You just saved me $40 because I saw it and thought it looked bad ass. Turns out it's just ass. I completely missed the deceptive marketing and was on track to buy it. I saw it on white sea too, and hes normally a trustworthy source. Weaver beats is the man....just waiting for the day you take a shill deal to pay the bills, like everyone else does eventually lol. We will forgive you 😅
White Sea Studios has long since sold out. The fact that he has to say that the makers of the plug-in have "no say" in his review, and then goes on to give it a good review every time, with one minor criticism, says it all.
I always had doubts about many plugin and Plugin Companies, U r confirming that. finally someone has guts. Keep up exposing bad companies and keep Supporting Good Companies as well
This is even worse with guitar TH-camrs. Nearly every single "review" you can find on TH-cam is a paid promotion that's either barely mentioned, if at all. There are nearly ZERO negative "reviews" (or even anything less than absolute praise) for guitar gear....ANY guitar gear...anywhere on TH-cam. A good example is Positive Grid. Nearly every single guitarist on TH-cam has praised this thing. But, coincidentally, you will never...ever...under any circumstance...see any of them use it again in a non-sponsored video.
It's not negative to be more in depth and honest and give different insight more examples at the end of the day people should do their own research even after watching any TH-camrs videos about products they give good or not so good opinions about that my prospective 👍🏾🙌🏽👍🏾🙏🏾
I just recently unsubscribe from many of those channels like White Sea studio when I realized they start with “ the problem with the industry is” and at the end of the video “and here is a plug in that fix it” The worst one is the recent one titled “I need to tell you something” Starts with “no snake oil” then there’s a snake oil at the end of the video
yeah I heard about this plugin a while ago and got excited, turned out to be mostly unusable because its very imprecise for almost everything. A good seperation is almost impossible because nothing is going to be so seperately placed in the spectral field for that box to make any sense. Maybe if you could paint out the areas to EQ that would make sense, even that would not be very precise.
I saw this some time back…but seriously my spidey sense said no , this ain’t gonna work, I still don’t get all the results from IRIS 2 Sampler but it’s zillion time better even though it’s not live input. The spectral ANALyser graphics got some of us hoodwinked and bamboozled 😂
Well the new version of Peel finally lives up to it's original promise but you gotta pay for an upgrade if you had the original. It now has stem separation in addition to the visual bandpass filter. It's finally useful now.
Social Media 'influencers' are just marketers under a different name... which is why marketing dept LOVE them. Unless we can move to social media sites that aren't advertising platforms primarly that priorotize profits above all else it will never get better.
Thanks for doing this...I'm trying to fight the good fight on the actual testing of audio claims, but DAMN it is a fine line trying to navigate the shill thing
As an indie game developer, I've been immersing myself in the world of music for a little over a month now. While my focus lies primarily on creating sound effects and other smaller elements, transitioning from the game development community to the music community has been quite a culture shock for me. I've found myself constantly pondering: Is the music community accepting of such practices? It seems like scams are lurking around every corner, and their claims are as nonsensical as those exaggerated TV-shop commercials from the 90s.
because most music producers are not as knowledgable about sound and it isn't that concrete, they wont be able to know the difference between products based on actual evidence. most of the time we pick stuff to use because "it sounds good" which is subject to change by time and also influenced easily by UI and marketing.
Back in the day, I use to go to the music store and play with synths and gear for hours. I'd ultimately make up my own mind. Nowadays there are too many people just buying gear because someone on the net said it was good. It's ok to check out new gear through influences, but always try before you buy. If they don't give you enough time to evaluate a new plugin, then just keep walking.
I am at the point where I try to avoid YT videos where plugins are being demonstrated or reviewed. It's not even about whether they're good or not - you end up feeling like you need to buy the plugin. Unless it's free stuff, I just avoid. I haven't watched a Sanjay C video in about a year. Clearly a channel like Sanjay C is pretty much all about products - every week you are faced with new hardware and software and it's incessant. Then he tells you there's a discount right now. Honestly, we don't need most of the stuff these kind of channels "advertise". I'm just using Sanjay C as an example because his is well known - but his channel is just one of hundreds if not thousands.
I stepped away from from producing for a couple of years as I had a baby. When I came back into it December last year I was pretty disgusted with the state of the scene. Nearly every production video has become a shill for samples and vsts. It's like the love and energy has dissapeared.
I agree negativity and calling out frauds shouldn't be looked down upon in the audio community. I really use to like Paul Third but he let the negativity get to him and he no longer reviews plugins to the depth that he use to he was really good at analyzing and using plugin doctor to call out fraudulent plugin companies but now he'd rather just let it be then get involved and I hate that so much so I'm glad Weaver doesn't give a shit and will say what needs to be said.
Yeah he was one of the very few that would actually call these companies on their snake oil. I don't follow his channel anymore as the lane he's trying to fill is already full.
Hot take: plugin companies can't really make anything really groundbreaking. Almost all that can be done, has been done. That's why they need to resort to paying creators to push a basic filter eq with a "cool" UI for 4 times the price.
Good man, im so done with shills who act like THEY ARE THE HONEST ONES GUYS. They would only show things they love. Music TH-cam might be as bad as tech TH-cam shills. We need more bitter prickss who will call out and keep others honest
Finally someone calling this shit out, if it’s an ad or you get a commission from a link below you can’t take em seriously, They prey on upcoming producers that don’t know any better
Totally agree with this! This is exactly why I don't do any reviews on plugins that I don't personally use and love... To review plugins you don't ACTUALLY use, is pretty much just selling plugins. BTW, The "affiliate links" don't pay shit, just so everyone isn't misled by that part of this video. And I think it's important that if you are going to start "policing" these creators, you should also let everyone know that you get a paycheck from TH-cam every month for the adsense revenue that you bring in as well. If you're going to be "fair"... Be 100% fair or turn off the ads on your channel so you're not benefiting from making controversial content that could generate more income for yourself? I enjoy your channel and what you're doing, keep it up!
This video is a great service. For most at home producers with enough cash to spare for whatever plugins are out there, it would be helpful to understand what the best plugins are for certain common tasks (e.g., compression, EQ, distortion, etc,), as well as choices where you may want different plugins, depending upon the track (e.g., reverb). Yes, these lists somewhat overlap. After you have the best of these in your arsenal, realize that most of the gimmick plugins (like the one in this video) either: a) make certain standard operations easier in some situations, or b) allow you to manipulate your sound in different (usually unnatural) ways. Most of us would be best served to start with the stock plugins in your DAW of choice, and look for plugins when the stock ones are not great, or when a truly breakthrough plugin happens (e.g., Fab Filter’s Pro-Q 3). Thanks for exposing the grift. Many of these TH-cam content creators have built a niche (I have watched a lot of both Whitesea and Sanjay C videos), and bought many of the recommended plugins. I can second that, unless you are already looking for a certain type of plugin, most of these sit gathering virtual dust. Thanks again.
..and btw phew, thanks for this reveal! tend to have a loose trigger finger and was on the fence of getting Peel myself for that seemingly affordable price.
For mastering, I Love Blue Cat MB-7 7 separate bands of processing. And it can separate mid/side too. The only thing it cannot do is process a single point in the stereo field. I wish that Peel would give you the ability to mirror processing on the other side of the stereo field- like process 30% left and right the same. At any rate, I think it does have a certain use case even with its limitations.
I find it hilarious that I never even heard of that plugin. Most people just promote me the most well known stuff like pro q and serum. Other than that I just use the free trial and put off purchasing until I really need it. Honestly free trials on vsts are super handy, considering everything else is buy in first try it later
The only advice I can suggest for the future is try the demo before. I’ve fallen foul of scams like this with virtual instruments which have looked amazing in TH-cam videos but when I’ve gone to use them have been a pile of you know what!
You are not being negative. You are trying to show how this software actually functions in a real-world situation. Oddly enough, I saw White Sea's video on this just 2 days ago and went on to some other video because I didn't think too much of it. All you are doing is pointing out its weaknesses and the fact that it is not "ground breaking". Keep doing what you are doing as I am sure many of us appreciate an honest review without compensation...
It's cool that you sampled Blade Runner Blues in your one of your songs :D Also "FL Gang", since i got last fall after not using it since 2008, but i use Ableton mostly.
keep keeping it real. you're one of the top tier "producer" TH-camrs. Don't let that green screen console behind him fool you people! Weaver is out there spending his money on lame plug-ins so you don't have to.
Roland released an almost identical standalone program a decade ago called "R-Mix". It was cool at the time, but had all the same problems including heavy artifacts and limited uses.
The only plug-in I care about right now is the Lalalai vst coming out at some point. The plug industry devolved into a hellish e commerce platform for clout chasing demons to rip off newbies.
This plugin is just an EQ and imager with a fancy UI, why would any producer expect this combo of effects to allow vocal isolation? You could never do stem separation with an EQ and imager so why would you expect this plugin to?
I am so glad that you have made this video. The plugin, unfortunately, is not what is seen to do what they claim it does, I'm not worried about TH-cam influencers, I will not buy a plugin if I can't try it as a demo first. My number one rule is: Don't buy a plugin without trying a demo first.
As someone who only started taking music seriously about a year ago, it's so hard to tell who's legit and who's just a shill.
Most of them are shills and just want their audience to make them rich
My minimum before spending any money on something for music is to find at least 3 pieces of review type content from completely different types of creators (different genres different personalities different workflows whatever, you be the judge here) and make a decision based off that. The more the better but if something is out there and you can't find at least that much content covering it you shouldn't spend any money on it imo.
The biggest red flag is when a creator comes out with a product they're sponsoring and has it available right now (not a prototype or something) and you cant find a single piece of media on it outside of that. At that point you have to wonder if anyone has even tested it yet or has it only ever existed a bubble of yes men.
you know what else only started being taking seriously within this last year, but in any industry?
...ChatGTP 😬
Basic stuff is good enough to get you through tbh. If you really want analog color, its worth experimenting with bouncing out to simple gear and recording back in to digital. I like VCRs. Hell people had a washboard and made it work, we have a lot more tools now. Google is your friend also
could just stick with the bread and butter like Waves plugins
I do agree. Seems like a conflict of interest when creators 'review' things while also being incentivized to get people to buy it
Salute to you Navie D, you are a real one ☝️
I've been saying that for a while you cant have an affiliate link paired with a review video. It's as bad as a paid review if not worse. There's too much to be gained from a lazy or poor review.
Exactly, bogus “reviews” that are really just commercials in disguise. It’s deceitful, plain and simple.
@@Weaverbeats Honestly, affiliate programs are nothing more than a blindfold over the creators. "Affiliate program" is just a fancy label that companies put on their scam, that is they are getting *free* advertising from all the creators. But creators feel its good for their brand, and think it's a revenue opportunity with the 5 or 10% kick back for purchases through their link (that's even if anyone uses the link vs just looking the plugin up). The most devs are missing out on is 5 or 10% discount on a probably already over priced product that has zero manufacturing costs.
Accepting "affiliate program" deals is just being bait for them. I would think ideally, saying no to affiliate link royalties or whatever and instead taking a flat fee would be more ideal.
Navie (Big) D, we meet again
You know what's funny? Peel is an incredibly useful, stable, and snappy plugin that everyone (Zplane included) markets as some sort of stem separation magic trick, when in reality, it's just a super easy-to-use band isolator.
For example. you have a drum loop and want to sidechain the kick, send the loop to another muted track, select the kick in the animated graphic, send the output signal to your sidechain bus. No fumbling around with ParaEQ faders. Or as you mentioned, adding reverb to only a snare or something when you don't have stems. If that is of use to you, it's a good deal.
But Zplane is a company that makes 90% of their earnings from licensing their pitch and timestretch code/algos to Ableton, FLStudio, Bitwig, etc. They're trying to breakout as a VST company and IMO going about it a bit deceptively, which when coupled with an affiliate program makes it shill bait.
You know you've made it when Benn Jordan comments on one of your videos.
Extremely well stated…
Nice you’re trying to think of the positives, but just isolating the kick region with a parametric isn’t difficult as is, and trying to put a snare reverb on that garbled mess would sound bad anyway.
That's funny. I just have seen your video about YT Influencers a few days ago and thought about it right now.
You know what's funny? Ben being in the same class as other TH-cam product reviewers who, unfortunately and even unintentionally, cause people to buy unnecessary things due to their (at best) partially biased reviews.
They are partially biased because they have received the product for free and do not have a monetary attachment to it the same way an actual consumer would. Subconsciously you are not going to be as critical of something.
“Its only a 5 minute trial because they don’t want you to catch on to that this thing sucks” well said bro
Amen brother. I had to stop following a bunch of channels recently because it's just gotten ridiculous. And anyway the engineers worth listening to certainly aren't spending their time making TH-cam videos.
The most exciting thing happening right now for content creators is that the community is starting to turn on each other.
@@groovylou8611 Like Led Zeppelin big :0
@@Linguae_Music not that big. If you Led Zeppelin big, you can afford a couple million worth of watches. Look up John Mayer watch collection.
@@groovylou8611Facts. I make music as a hobby and I never saw myself apart of a community. I just see myself as someone who happens to make beats as a hobby
It's crazy because the producers that aren't disclosing that they are affiliated with the company are literally breaking the law. You HAVE to disclose your sponsors.
"No song is mixed like this"
The Beatles Mix engineer: *hold my beer*
"No song is mixed like this" ... In the past 50 years then.
Or at least, not enough, to justify using this plugin.
@@Music-tg5isExactly.
Sold us bandpass filter for £40 😂😂
You get 2 types of content creators in the music sphere, those who educate and those who promote. If a channel has very few useful tutorials, I don't take their promo seriously. It works.
simply said, the real educators who care about the community and then the promoters disguising as educators
There are three. The two you mentioned, and people who actually play music.
Opinion: Buying and using 3rd party vsts will lengthen your years learning music production.
Easy solutions rarely provide you the final answer. Overriding your instincts by using a vst on your tracks that causes a myriad of effects you don't truly understand is gonna hurt you in the long run.
Btw, White Sea's link sends to Plugin Boutique, which he mentioned he is an affiliate for. All his reviews he does on the demo, and doesn't receive money upfront. White Sea is one of the very very few who are not shills, unless I'm wrong. Yes he has featured some useless plugin, but he's just giving his opinion, the rest is on you - my 2c.
Ultimate vocal remover five. It’s free and splits everything out.
In The Mix recently released his own plugin, it’s called Reviver. Would love to hear your thoughts on it.
i think he reacted to it on his second channel
@dksd this is his reaction to the announcement and promo vid th-cam.com/video/7cueVW7Zang/w-d-xo.html
He did and called it a useless gimmick.
I think there’s an old plug in too called reviver and apparently it was incredible.
@@Genital.Wartzenegger perhaps you're thinking of Slate Digital Revival?
This plugin exist in Cubase, iZotope,ect. and it's a different way to separate sounds without using Technique with two indetical signals hitting each other ( Colliding to same signals will cancel each other) Negative Correlation and EQ to extract sounds but it's working in Specially produced Music where Bass is mono , Drums are mono and basically Audio have to be Mono compatible for better results. You can do it in every DAW , just reverse phase on one Audio and leave other in original and then with EQ you can do something i was using it for TV commercials and that's the way how we cleaned Audios . I know that Weaver Beats talked about week ago when he analyze Tracks, that's the way you are separating frequencies or you can buy plugin for simple way without needing to understand what is happening.
FL gang! Thanks for the info you share
There's a huge uproar going on atm between professional producers and professional TH-cam content creators about the new MPC X SE, its perceived sound quality, but also about these content creators/influencers really being honest and not some tool of the industry. I think you should check it. Main producer involved here, E-A-Ski.
U know it's FL Gang fam! 😂 Yeah, this one got me awhile ago. They sold me on the "isolate individual elements", never got a usable sample and what I did get I ended up running through a couple EQs and gate to remove the leftover noise and freq. Not trying to "bash" it and I'll keep an eye on Zplane. Side note, pretty decent job cleaning up dialogue but I honestly still think I was faster and more accurate with EQs and gates. Right on brotha! I always appreciated you being willing to take the shots to keep it real. I easily have closer to a thou-wow $$ in plugins not even installed on my system, and damn near 90% that I do use often, you've given good reviews to. Sorry so long, just want to appreciate and say thanks man. 🤘🏾👍🏾
the shills have lies
You are quickly becoming one of my favorite YT content creators.
Yeah this is honestly how I fell out of love with waves. This exact same trickery.
It really sucks when people go about this stuff in a deceptive way. I mean I appreciate the “negativity” because it prevents people from buying useless plugins. Instead of spending $40 on a low grade plugin producers could use that for marketing themselves to help grow. Most of us do this as a hobby, so anytime we end up spending money on useless things that influencers say are great, it sets us back further from promoting ourselves
If you're a full-time music producer, you got to be careful of falling into the trap of buying too many plugins (especially if you don't really need it). Not just is it wasting your money, but it's destracting you from finishing any music at all, and that's the problem I have with TH-cam influencers.
They sell you crap and say "this plugin is a must-have and game changer" and make you feel that what you're already have, is not good enough.
This is why when I demo a plugin I have bought it with my own money and I have to really like as well as think it is useful for other people. I also will shoot it out with similar plugins that do the same sorts of things.
Same. Some plugins I own, my friends love-- but they are stupid expensive. So I try others to see if I can make similar results with free or cheaper alternatives so they can get the same-ish results for much less.
yes, so much yes. Thanks for speaking up about this.
Yes these videos are necessary!
Love your channel man!
❤ yeah I feel it man. Also having just recently making digital music, I understand the shilling that happens in the music industry. I basically have a few extra instruments outside of my DAW's stock stuff. I also have a somewhat poor man's laptop, so I have to take it easy on my processor anyway. I mostly rake TH-cam for ways to do the thing I'm trying to do, as opposed to shopping for gear.
Dude I've been so pissed with this exact same issue with creators. The incentives are too hard to turn down for most.
We'd probably make an additional 6 figures/year if we did sponsorships regularly - but we don't. We MAYBE do 3-5 sponsored videos per year and it's never with a brand I don't have a close relationship in terms of me actually loving the products personally.
But think about that - if you have an audience you can legit bring in 6 figures just from sponsors if you're good with just making tons of sponsored content... most are not gonna say no to that.
I'm not against sponsors but it's GOT to be ethical and GOT to be something you genuinely love and use.. too many are making videos and then never using it again. It's horrible
Benn Jordan's video opened my eyes to just how much money can be made via the affiliate system and I can understand why so many channels get sucked into churning out paid content, but those videos leave me feeling empty. I love your video tutorials that AREN'T just shilling. Please don't ever turn into a shopping channel!
Making art stopped being about art and more about how much money and fame you can get. I miss when people made art for the love of art, not status.
Man, I 100% agree - Thx for pointing this out in your video! Many YT creators actually don't do music BUT they are the ones who tell us what's hip? ^^ twisted, good-running business unfortunately on the cost of many young producers and a lot of confusion which is the opposite of education
I'm so glad you exist. You are the most honest person on YT so far. God bless you.
I stumbled upon your channel randomly a while back, never missed a video since I think. I like the fact that you're honest and try to debunk a lot of sh*t like this while being funny at the same time. Keep it up!
That “blade runner blues” sample!!!! Lovely!!!
Yup, man. Regarding to the very beginning of the video, you're the first one to accurately articulate what's been on my mind for a long time. Keep doing it. You may be the first channel I will support with real money. Of course, that's after I stop starving myself XD
Mad respect for calling this out. You just saved me $40 because I saw it and thought it looked bad ass. Turns out it's just ass. I completely missed the deceptive marketing and was on track to buy it. I saw it on white sea too, and hes normally a trustworthy source. Weaver beats is the man....just waiting for the day you take a shill deal to pay the bills, like everyone else does eventually lol.
We will forgive you 😅
White Sea Studios has long since sold out. The fact that he has to say that the makers of the plug-in have "no say" in his review, and then goes on to give it a good review every time, with one minor criticism, says it all.
And then says decapitator is snake oil.
@@Genital.Wartzenegger Isn't decapitator the #1 rated distortion unit of all time?
@@Arcessitor it has to be up there.
I always had doubts about many plugin and Plugin Companies, U r confirming that.
finally someone has guts. Keep up exposing bad companies and keep Supporting Good Companies as well
So we all panning our basses to the left now?
I also was surprised at white sea studio choosing the jazz track with easy to isolate guitar - and presumed BS. Same with Roland S-1 videos e.g. jorb
S1 is very nice.
@@tmw3489 I can't wait to see one in the flesh. It does look good especially for live use.
@@PorchBass it is awesome, i got one. It is stupid value for money if you care about synths.
This is even worse with guitar TH-camrs. Nearly every single "review" you can find on TH-cam is a paid promotion that's either barely mentioned, if at all. There are nearly ZERO negative "reviews" (or even anything less than absolute praise) for guitar gear....ANY guitar gear...anywhere on TH-cam. A good example is Positive Grid. Nearly every single guitarist on TH-cam has praised this thing. But, coincidentally, you will never...ever...under any circumstance...see any of them use it again in a non-sponsored video.
LOL... bass mixed to the left. That spectrograph looks very specifically made for this plugin right away.
12:35 - Healthy skepticism should always be welcomed.
It's not negative to be more in depth and honest and give different insight more examples at the end of the day people should do their own research even after watching any TH-camrs videos about products they give good or not so good opinions about that my prospective 👍🏾🙌🏽👍🏾🙏🏾
I just recently unsubscribe from many of those channels like White Sea studio when I realized they start with “ the problem with the industry is” and at the end of the video “and here is a plug in that fix it”
The worst one is the recent one titled “I need to tell you something”
Starts with “no snake oil” then there’s a snake oil at the end of the video
yeah I heard about this plugin a while ago and got excited, turned out to be mostly unusable because its very imprecise for almost everything. A good seperation is almost impossible because nothing is going to be so seperately placed in the spectral field for that box to make any sense. Maybe if you could paint out the areas to EQ that would make sense, even that would not be very precise.
EQ can never properly isolate an instrument / track and that someone would think that let alone promote that is plain stupid
TH-cam is literally suggesting that White Sea Studio video to me beside your video 🤣
"it's a little bit funny when I'm mad"
relatable lol
I saw this some time back…but seriously my spidey sense said no , this ain’t gonna work, I still don’t get all the results from IRIS 2 Sampler but it’s zillion time better even though it’s not live input. The spectral ANALyser graphics got some of us hoodwinked and bamboozled 😂
As someone who uses samples (allegedly). I kinda saw right through this plugin.
Well the new version of Peel finally lives up to it's original promise but you gotta pay for an upgrade if you had the original. It now has stem separation in addition to the visual bandpass filter. It's finally useful now.
All creators are selling something. No one is online purely from the goodness of their heart.
Ah shit, I didn’t realize that you also sampled that Vangelis track. Though I’m sure plenty have, now that I think on it. Sounds dope.
ya it was from a beat battle a couple years back
Right below this in my feed is Sanjay C’s “Arturia, Take My Money!” video 😂😂😂
Social Media 'influencers' are just marketers under a different name... which is why marketing dept LOVE them.
Unless we can move to social media sites that aren't advertising platforms primarly that priorotize profits above all else it will never get better.
Thanks for doing this...I'm trying to fight the good fight on the actual testing of audio claims, but DAMN it is a fine line trying to navigate the shill thing
As an indie game developer, I've been immersing myself in the world of music for a little over a month now. While my focus lies primarily on creating sound effects and other smaller elements, transitioning from the game development community to the music community has been quite a culture shock for me. I've found myself constantly pondering: Is the music community accepting of such practices? It seems like scams are lurking around every corner, and their claims are as nonsensical as those exaggerated TV-shop commercials from the 90s.
Join the open source crowd. A whole lot less grifters over here :-) surge, vital, airwindows, vcvrack, cardinal
because most music producers are not as knowledgable about sound and it isn't that concrete, they wont be able to know the difference between products based on actual evidence. most of the time we pick stuff to use because "it sounds good" which is subject to change by time and also influenced easily by UI and marketing.
Back in the day, I use to go to the music store and play with synths and gear for hours. I'd ultimately make up my own mind. Nowadays there are too many people just buying gear because someone on the net said it was good. It's ok to check out new gear through influences, but always try before you buy. If they don't give you enough time to evaluate a new plugin, then just keep walking.
I am at the point where I try to avoid YT videos where plugins are being demonstrated or reviewed. It's not even about whether they're good or not - you end up feeling like you need to buy the plugin. Unless it's free stuff, I just avoid. I haven't watched a Sanjay C video in about a year. Clearly a channel like Sanjay C is pretty much all about products - every week you are faced with new hardware and software and it's incessant. Then he tells you there's a discount right now. Honestly, we don't need most of the stuff these kind of channels "advertise". I'm just using Sanjay C as an example because his is well known - but his channel is just one of hundreds if not thousands.
I stepped away from from producing for a couple of years as I had a baby. When I came back into it December last year I was pretty disgusted with the state of the scene. Nearly every production video has become a shill for samples and vsts. It's like the love and energy has dissapeared.
He pretty much is the penguinz0 of production content.. much love
Yessss I now only bye on black Friday or Xmas sales lol...how many compressors do I need???.
deceptive marketing is marketing
I agree negativity and calling out frauds shouldn't be looked down upon in the audio community. I really use to like Paul Third but he let the negativity get to him and he no longer reviews plugins to the depth that he use to he was really good at analyzing and using plugin doctor to call out fraudulent plugin companies but now he'd rather just let it be then get involved and I hate that so much so I'm glad Weaver doesn't give a shit and will say what needs to be said.
Yeah he was one of the very few that would actually call these companies on their snake oil. I don't follow his channel anymore as the lane he's trying to fill is already full.
Hot take: plugin companies can't really make anything really groundbreaking. Almost all that can be done, has been done. That's why they need to resort to paying creators to push a basic filter eq with a "cool" UI for 4 times the price.
Idk, freakshow and izotope....
Tats a burning hot take
Good man, im so done with shills who act like THEY ARE THE HONEST ONES GUYS. They would only show things they love. Music TH-cam might be as bad as tech TH-cam shills. We need more bitter prickss who will call out and keep others honest
Bought this a few years ago thinking it would separate stems cuz Sanjay C told me it would separate stems… haven’t touched it since
agree with you bro 100%, your work is needed in the community
Finally someone calling this shit out, if it’s an ad or you get a commission from a link below you can’t take em seriously, They prey on upcoming producers that don’t know any better
What? A Corporation Doing Something Unethical To Protect Its Interests? This Is Shocking! Wait … influencers want to influence me to buy stuff … :(
funny, this video made me want to buy this plugin even more because it looks useful for my spesific needs
Totally agree with this! This is exactly why I don't do any reviews on plugins that I don't personally use and love... To review plugins you don't ACTUALLY use, is pretty much just selling plugins. BTW, The "affiliate links" don't pay shit, just so everyone isn't misled by that part of this video. And I think it's important that if you are going to start "policing" these creators, you should also let everyone know that you get a paycheck from TH-cam every month for the adsense revenue that you bring in as well. If you're going to be "fair"... Be 100% fair or turn off the ads on your channel so you're not benefiting from making controversial content that could generate more income for yourself? I enjoy your channel and what you're doing, keep it up!
This video is a great service. For most at home producers with enough cash to spare for whatever plugins are out there, it would be helpful to understand what the best plugins are for certain common tasks (e.g., compression, EQ, distortion, etc,), as well as choices where you may want different plugins, depending upon the track (e.g., reverb). Yes, these lists somewhat overlap.
After you have the best of these in your arsenal, realize that most of the gimmick plugins (like the one in this video) either: a) make certain standard operations easier in some situations, or b) allow you to manipulate your sound in different (usually unnatural) ways.
Most of us would be best served to start with the stock plugins in your DAW of choice, and look for plugins when the stock ones are not great, or when a truly breakthrough plugin happens (e.g., Fab Filter’s Pro-Q 3).
Thanks for exposing the grift. Many of these TH-cam content creators have built a niche (I have watched a lot of both Whitesea and Sanjay C videos), and bought many of the recommended plugins. I can second that, unless you are already looking for a certain type of plugin, most of these sit gathering virtual dust. Thanks again.
It’s Pee! The VST featuring the little yellow droplets EQ system. 😅
..and btw phew, thanks for this reveal! tend to have a loose trigger finger and was on the fence of getting Peel myself for that seemingly affordable price.
For mastering, I Love Blue Cat MB-7 7 separate bands of processing. And it can separate mid/side too. The only thing it cannot do is process a single point in the stereo field. I wish that Peel would give you the ability to mirror processing on the other side of the stereo field- like process 30% left and right the same. At any rate, I think it does have a certain use case even with its limitations.
11:32 Gotta love that piano panned hard left. Makes no sense
"But listen to how artifact'd it is."
Do samples from compressed MP3s of old Memphis rap really count as _typical mixed vocals_ though?
6:40
Tbh this is how I ended up buying most of my plugins. Did that and ended up liking them, so I bought them all.
I find it hilarious that I never even heard of that plugin. Most people just promote me the most well known stuff like pro q and serum. Other than that I just use the free trial and put off purchasing until I really need it. Honestly free trials on vsts are super handy, considering everything else is buy in first try it later
The only advice I can suggest for the future is try the demo before. I’ve fallen foul of scams like this with virtual instruments which have looked amazing in TH-cam videos but when I’ve gone to use them have been a pile of you know what!
U got the ANA synth didnt u? 😂
@@josephschmizzo1595 no lol! Never fell for that one!!! 😂
@@jasonwhitecomposer LMAOOO 😂 glad u didnt!
You are not being negative. You are trying to show how this software actually functions in a real-world situation. Oddly enough, I saw White Sea's video on this just 2 days ago and went on to some other video because I didn't think too much of it. All you are doing is pointing out its weaknesses and the fact that it is not "ground breaking". Keep doing what you are doing as I am sure many of us appreciate an honest review without compensation...
It's kind of crazy white seas is always talking about snake oil
I’m not fl gang. But I be staying watching you. I do appreciate this content.
It's been that way for many years now.
It's cool that you sampled Blade Runner Blues in your one of your songs :D
Also "FL Gang", since i got last fall after not using it since 2008, but i use Ableton mostly.
keep keeping it real. you're one of the top tier "producer" TH-camrs. Don't let that green screen console behind him fool you people! Weaver is out there spending his money on lame plug-ins so you don't have to.
repacked EQ
There’s nothing “hAtEfUL” about calling liars liars.
Although, I must admit I actually do hate liars. 😂
yeah anything that doesnt have a week i dont usually buy - i saw this plugin and saw the 5 min and immediately thought it was a red flag
I considered this plug, but 5 mins timeout for the demo ?
Your $40 sacrifice for the many of us is much appreciated ....
Sending a virtual cheers 🍻
Roland released an almost identical standalone program a decade ago called "R-Mix". It was cool at the time, but had all the same problems including heavy artifacts and limited uses.
The only plug-in I care about right now is the Lalalai vst coming out at some point. The plug industry devolved into a hellish e commerce platform for clout chasing demons to rip off newbies.
Older songs are mixed like that so I could see it being used to isolate parts when sampling old records.
Peel is a spectral filter is nifty on experimental music
Almost fell for it, appreciate the honesty!!
This plugin is just an EQ and imager with a fancy UI, why would any producer expect this combo of effects to allow vocal isolation? You could never do stem separation with an EQ and imager so why would you expect this plugin to?
That's why you don't watch these channels. The dishonesty coming from them you can just smell it in the air
I can see how this plugin can be useful for some creative applications but yeah definitely deceptive marketing
I am so glad that you have made this video. The plugin, unfortunately, is not what is seen to do what they claim it does, I'm not worried about TH-cam influencers, I will not buy a plugin if I can't try it as a demo first. My number one rule is: Don't buy a plugin without trying a demo first.