Are Coney Island Dogs in Oklahoma Better Than Detroit?
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- Who knew that the Coney Island Dog was steeped in the history of Greek immigrants? I didn't! In this video, I'll be cooking up a copycat of the famous Coney from American Coney Island in Detroit as well as the Coney dog from Robert's in El Reno, Oklahoma. Enjoy! wildfireoutdoorliving.com/the...
American Coney Island Chili Recipe:
1 pound 80/20 ground beef (20% fat)3 tablespoons beef tallow (rendered beef fat - see Tidbits)1/4 cup all-purpose flour3 cups water1 cup beef bouillon
1/4 cup cracker meal (or crushed soda crackers)4 teaspoons chili powder1 teaspoon paprika1/2 teaspoon garlic power1/2 teaspoon onion powder1/2 teaspoon granulated sugar1/4 teaspoon salt1/4 teaspoon crushed red pepper flakes
1. Brown the ground beef in a large sauté pan over medium heat. There’s no need to crumble the beef too much as it cooks because you’ll mince it later. When the beef has browned, and no more pink is visible, strain the fat out of the beef, but don’t throw it away! Mince the ground beef into small bits on a cutting board using a large knife.
2. Combine the fat that just came from the ground beef and the beef tallow in a large saucepan over medium/low heat. Stir in the flour and cook for 5 minutes or until the flour begins to turn a tan color.
3. Whisk in the water and beef bouillon. Stir until there are no visible lumps, then whisk in the cracker meal or crushed crackers.
4. Add the remaining chili ingredients, including the ground beef. Raise the heat to medium and cook until the chili begins to bubble, then reduce the heat and simmer the chili slowly, uncovered, for 4 hours or until thick.
Makes 8 chili dogs.
Tulsa Coney Island Dog Slaw Recipe:
292 grams (10 oz) Cabbage
120 grams (4 1/4 oz) yellow mustard
178 grams (6 1/4 oz) white sugar
22 grams (1/2 oz) white vinegar
Salt and pepper to taste
Whisk the mustard, sugar, and vinegar together, then toss with the cabbage. Salt and pepper to taste, then again, toss.
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I used to never put mustard on my chili dogs until I saw the Coney with the line of it and now I love it. The vinegar really cuts the richness. Now to try some coleslaw lol. They look soo good!
Always nice getting to know the history behind the food! Thank you Greg, and wishing you and your loved ones very happy holidays.
Merry Christmas Brother-Don!
I've lived in Tulsa my whole life and the only coneys we ever ate were from Coney-I-Lander. Ive been eating there since the mid 60s. They grill on a flat top and do not offer slaw. I've never heard of roberts. That said no one I know has ever heard of the onion burger until the last couple of years on TH-cam.
I used to travel to Tulsa monthly in the 90's, Totally agree about the Coney-I-Lander! Miss it much 😁
Yup, been to Tulsa and tried Coney I Lander. It's very good. That chili sauce is good. The stuff this guy is using on the Oklahoma dog was not from Coney I Lander. Their chili sauce is darker which means Cloves and allspice are 2 of the ingredients, and they balance that out with nutmeg and brown sugar, 2 more ingredients used in that Oklahoma chili sauce. I don't have the recipe but I'm pretty sure what the ingredients are used.
I just made the same comment.
Love Coney-I-Lander!
Never seen any cole slaw thankfully.
Love that griddle. Great lookn hotdogs. Merry Christmas
Dag nab it, this guy can wolf down 4 Comey’s. You don’t want to mess with him. I love Coney Dogs. I miss James Coney Island hotdogs in Houston. They’ve closed the business down, soooo sad. No place to go now.
You did a great job on this vid, keep up the good work. You made everything look so delicious. Koodos.
I used to travel around the US a lot, and if I ever found a good hot dog, I'd try it. For me personally, nothing beats a char-grilled Hofmann German frank on a New England hot dog roll with mustard, chili (with or without beans), and a little sauerkraut. It's what we eat in central NY during the summer while cooking out. Throw in a side of salt potatoes and baked beans, and that's a meal.
This is some master storytelling through food! I love how you highlight local, family run restaurants.
So cool story....i was born in Tulsa OK and would go to Coney Island...never knew the history...my parents would often compare the hotdogs here to the ones back where they grew up......Detroit MI.....insane coincidence
I prefer Coney Islander myself. Gotta have a few every few months.
Thank you for sharing!
Let the comments roll in haha! I still get comments on a Coney Island dog I did about 10 years ago. Good seeing you attack some of these famous dogs Greg. My next video is going to be a chili dog, but nothing famous, just my own signature chili dog that I done years ago with a little twist. Cheers and a Merry Christmas to you and your family!
I remember that hotdog series you shot Rus. You killed it as usual! Merry Christmas to you and the fam as well, brother!
There are 2 kinds of coneys in Oklahoma. Coney Island and Coney I-slander and they are very different. I-slander is way more popular and only found in tulsa area. You should do a comparison of those. The hot dog and cheese type and grind are unique to I-slander
Another fantastic hotdog video! Do a Sluggo's dog.
As a New Yorker who loves his Nathan’s dogs, I appreciate the depth of your research regarding how these regional variations got established. Great video!
Greg always enjoy the Contant brother I’ve been following you forever. I learned how to make some of the best burgers from your channel speaking of your channel. It’s also very educational me being a native from Oklahoma didn’t even know the history of the Coney dog in Tulsa . Thanjs again brother!
Man.... My mouth is WATERING! I need one of these today. Thanks for sharing!
Outstanding cook Greg! Merry Christmas to you and your family and continued success in 2024! Lastly being Polish and growing up in Cleveland, Ohio as a young boy I have fond memories of the street cart vendors offering those epic Polish dogs with sour kraut. Something for you to consider. Cheers! 🥂
Merry Christmas to you and yours as well, KD! Yeah, I dig on a good Polish Dog!
I need both of those in my belly! Merry Christmas!
Hanks for the great video. I always learn so much from them.
Merry Christmas Paul!
I'm trying both of those recipes! Thank you!
Nice to see the contrast between a Detroit dog and an OK dog--the slaw really caught my eye! We had a Coney dog place in the town where I grew up and it wasn't unusual for me to pound 6 in a meal. When you are doing your dog series, Greg, you gotta go deep and devote at least one episode to show how the hotdogs are made. The lessons I've learned from you that have really stuck out are grinding your own blend for burgers, and making your own version of "American" (not invented in America) cheese. Once you know the science, everything changes. We love you and your work!
We call them little pillows of happiness here in Tulsa my friend! On a night where you're not super hungry, a few little Coneys hit the spot perfectly!
However, here in Tulsa, the dogs are roughly 1/2 sized (as are the buns) so you can eat a few. I've not actually seen any with slaw on them and Ive been to most coney places here. They also have both hot sauce and cayenne on the tables.
He is describing the OKC dog, Tulsa doesn't put slaw on the on the century old recipe. The Greek Tulsa Dog is nothing like he is describing. The "hot wieners" are grilled. Chili, cheese and onions in a compact size bun. Kozmo is a great guy from the OKC area that knows nothing of Tulsa history. The Tulsa story is correct, but the recipe is not Tulsa.
I’d knock out either of those! Love the history and the finished product for both. Great work as usual, brother!!
dang dude, ur a youtube OG!! i remember back in 2011 after watching Hamburger Paradise on the travel channel, i would look up the restaurants featured on youtue. and i saw ur video remaking the olde homestead kobe beef burger. i still watch that video whenever im eating a really high quality burger lol
I’m a Detroit boy. American Coney Island has gotten very commercial, in my opinion. Lafayette Coney Island next door to American is way better. They split up a long time ago. There’s a whole back story. National Coney Island in the metro Detroit area is my favorite. I would definitely give the slaw a try though
National coney is my favorite.
National!!!
Flint style Coney are really good also. Chili is a little dryer
I've eaten many many coneys in Tulsa at a place called "Coney-I-lander" and I never ate one with cole slaw.
The ones I had meat sauce (not that spicy), spicy mustard, onions, cheese, celery salt, and a little cayenne pepper on top.
Very delicious!
Way better than the coney he made with the cole slaw.
Great dogs Greg! - My personal favorite dog is a blend of the two, using sauerkraut in place of the coleslaw, with my own mild chili, raw onion, green relish, and yellow mustard.
I grew up in Montreal, so there were plenty of Greek-inspired food outlets to be had. - Cheers!
Both of these looked good. Too much sugar in the cole slaw for my taste. I like my slaw to be heavier on the vinegar. Hands down the best hot dogs I have ever had were at Ted's Hot Dog in Buffalo, NY. They are a local chain started by Greeks. They char grill the dogs. They have every topping you can imagine.
I agree, I used to live in Kenmore, Ted’s was my favorite. I now live live in Houston, so sad ,nothing like Ted’s isnt here.
I think the Ted's I visited was in Tonawanda, NY back in the 80's. I see they are still in business.
Every one of those hot dogs looks really good. Hope you have a Merry Christmas. Cheers, Greg! 👍🏻👍🏻✌️
Thank you! Merry Christmas!
What brand hot dogs did you use?
I've been following you since you had like 20k followers Greg. It's crazy how your channel has exploded
Thank you so much! I really appreciate your sticking with me John!
Great video, a hot dog video series? Oh hell to the yes I can't wait for that. My two favorite foods for the weekends a good hot dog and a good hamburger.
Both looked good! Personally, I like the idea of homemade chili.
Really enjoyed the video, thank you very much!
I do love the history and getting to know how these dishes arrived in the USA and how they changed up the ingredients based on where at in the USA the dish was being prepared. Both looked great, but I'd go with the OK dog IMO. Merry Christmas brother!!! Cheers!!!
Thank you for watching, brother-Troy! Cheers and Merry Christmas!
Great one Greg, man I'm surprised you preferred the Oklahoma dog considering the amount of sugar in that coleslaw, I almost thought you were joking before you dumped that in the bowl; however I am a huge fan of spicy food and I can see how that spice might cut the sugar in the slaw. very interesting history and definitely great to see you branching out, that is why you have a burger specific channel and a BBQ channel! Cheers!
All that sugar added looked crazy to me.
I will make the slaw that sounds so good!
I do not eat mayo, so usually do a vinegar based cole slaw. But, i love mustard and will definitely try this! Thanks!
Looks good Greg!! Best hot dogs EVER are the 1/4lb Chicago dogs from Skyway Doghouse in South Chicago, IL...Hands down!!! Cheers!! 🍻
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Watching from down under, thank you for the video.
I love this. In North Carolina we do bbq slaw Lexington style (nc) and or a cole slaw on our hotdog typically with chili mustard and onion
Hi mate I am loving your hotdog videos at the moment as I am looking a5 setting up my own hotdog stall in the UK so all your knowledge is welcome 👍🏻
Thank you for watching! I've just started this hotdog series, so there will be plenty more recipes to come!
🔥🔥🔥 episode Brother, yes please do more variations in the “Dog Series”. You gotta do a LA and a Sonora dog comparison.
Merry Christmas to you and yours Sir, Cheers 🍻👊🏼😎🤙🏼
I remember being an early subscriber, one of the reason i know is your voice. So I watched Guga's video collab and to my surprise i wasn't subscribed anymore.
That seems to be happening to a lot of my subscribers. Thanks for watching, Alex!
Nice to see another version of the coney dog! Always like to see the variations. Here in Michigan (and Indiana and Ohio). there are quite a few. Detroit, Flint, Jackson, Kalamazoo, Fort Wayne and Cincinnati. And now Oklahoma! I'm a Lafayette fan, myself. :) But American is really good! Thanks for the video!
I have been a Lafayette lifer, never touched foot in American. I also grew up in Flint and prefer the Detroit Style. I wanted to reply to this video that the chili looked to watery, but being I have not been in American, which he based this chili on, I felt it would not be right.
@Wakko92 Lafayette for the win!
Greek beef sauce on a dog is the origin of Cincinnati Chili as well. The US owes a lot to our Greek brothers and sisters for bringing us diner culture, too. One day, the Holy Grail of a gyro with Cincinnati chili on it shall be realized!
Excellent video!!!
Yes please to a hot dog series , cheers Alister in Australia.
I live in Oklahoma, and live about a mile from a Coney Island restaurant. Ashamed to say I’ve never been there. That will change this week.
Love this content! I’ll add to the cry for more hot dog vids (or any meat in tube form)!
Those looked Awesome! I’d eat 3-4 of both but those Oklahoma Dogs definitely would be my preference as well.
Good stuff Greg.
Thanks for the ideas. You made me hungry.
Honestly, I like soggy bread about as much as I like wet socks. Steamed buns? Never.
Detroit: Major plus for grilling the dogs, which taste much better than boiled. Major minus for sloppy loose chili that makes the bun soggy.
Oklahoma: Major plus for tightening up the chili. Minus for using boiled dogs, which boils out flavor and turns the bun into a swamp unless thoroughly drained. Jury is still out on the slaw. The recipe looks good, but I’m sure it will get watery over time as the vinegar and sugar pull water out of the cabbage.
I’ll try this in the near future with a toasted bun, grilled dogs, tight chili, and I’ll do something to the slaw to get the water out, perhaps making it ahead and draining it after the cabbage has pickled. Again, thanks for the ideas.
Is that chilli a bit runnier than it should be? Or am I just used to the cheaper stuff on a coney dog?
Growing up in Detroit…. Chili,onion, and mustard coney is what I crave! I am sure that someone who grew up in Tulsa would swear by their coney as best.
Of course! That's always the way it works! There is only one type of BBQ rib as well.
Love hot dogs! Would be happy to see more on here! Also gotta say your backyard is looking fantastic, love the glass floats and the little tiki guys
Thank you, Wesley!
Brooklyn born here and prefer boiled dogs with onion/mustard on a steamed bun with a potato kinish on the side. Wife is from Chicago and likes a good "Chicago style hot dog". Now in Phoenix, it's tough to find a good hot dog here. That's why we're foodies and cook so much at home. Of the two styles in this video, I'd lean towards a Detroit dog... that chili and mustard topping looked perfect. The OK slaw had way too much sugar in it for me... go with mustard and a real good sauerkraut (Franks Quality Kraut), and I might put that ahead of the Detroit dog. Video suggestion for Southwest hot dogs... make some pork chorizo, put it on a fire charred hot dog and top with shredded Mexican cheese blend and jalapeño slices. Then, add guacamole and red salsa as sides and serve with refried beans and Spanish rice. Cheers! Pete in Arizona - KI7LIL
Both dogs looked really good Greg, I would love to see your take on the "Texas Hot Weiner" that's all over the north east. Dallas Hot Weiners in Kingson NY is my all time favorite.
I still get regular comments on my take of your version Tom. That became a very popular video over time.
I think I could do that, Tom!
this is “a pinch” of awesome. i think you should go berserk with the hotdogs as long as they are gonna look as good as these did!
Thank you, Justin! Pretty cool history attached to some of these old-school hotdog joints! Merry Christmas!
Hmm.. in Tulsa, OK, all the coney joints I’ve been to in the last 50 years cook on flattops. Everything on it is mustard, chili, onion, & cheese.
usually a shaker with Cheyenne pepper on the tables.
You sure are churning out the goods!! I just watched your other video
Born and raised with Detroit coneys…..that said I love hot doggage in almost any form. I even own a commercial hot dog roller. I’m just happy that the Greeks came here and opened so many great little joints!!! My p.b. For American coneys is six. Not close to the heavy hitters I know…..but still
I know of a few Greek owned burger places in San Diego. Which did you like that closed?
Someone that is in born and raised in Oklahoma City, we don’t do the mustard coleslaw other than Roberts in el Reno. All our coney islanders are just all beef dogs simmered in water like you did but, topped with just a good all beef chili, fresh thick graded cheddar cheese and sweet onion. That mustard cole slaw is used more on pulled pork but again just in el Reno. Also a cheap easy hack for the mustard slaw is just buy the original Slawsa. Love your videos though.
I've only had the El Reno version. I go to Tulsa often, so next time I'm there I will sample the other types of Coneys.
What are you using for buns?
Thanks Greg. I wanna a chilli dog in NYC one day. Kojak chilly dog😁👍
Born and raised in Tulsa. Grew up eating these. Never ordered just one…… Have to get a minimum of two, usually three at a time. Never did the coleslaw on mine.
You should also try Chili John’s in Burbank, California.
Those dogs looked so good.
My idea of a dog is the old Polish dog from Costco... I need to expanded my thinking.
Think I need to cook up a big pot of chili and make some. The slaw sounds awesome.
Please feel free to go a little berserk with the hot dog content. I love a good dog. It's 9:30 am here in California, and I'd happily scarf either one of these for breakfast. Also, I think people sometimes forget the appeal of a good quality dog cooked in water. It often winds up on a grill or a flat top, but water cooked dogs are really nice too.
Great job here. My only criticism is, detroit sauce is typically less soupy than this. Curious to know which brand of dog was used in each rendition of the recipe
Greg that XLNT chili should come with a warning. “Seek Bathroom Immediately After Consumption “ 🤣🤣. In the early 90’s I worked at a grocery store as a stockboy and I remember never having to restock that stuff. Brick o chili
I've walked by that stuff in the frozen isle for years and have never considered buying it. It was actually pretty darn good though.
What all beef hot dog were these Greg?
I think you and I have very different definitions of "a pinch of sugar" 😂 great video, though.
I sure we have the same definitions, of "a pinch" and of course, a joke. Cheers!
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FUN! Thanks! I love a great chili dog.
Thank you!
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I always welcome a good hotdog recipe.
I as well! Cheers!
love the idea of a hot dog series, can't wait for more. Tony Packo's maybe
I was thinking Toledo hot dogs are better than Detroit hot dogs, oklahoma has to be better too
I like the hot dog idea please do more videos on them :)
I'm 66 years old and have lived in the Detroit area most of my life, I can't imagine eating any other kind of dog other than the Detroit style chili dog! 😂
All American!!!!!! The Greek Coney has been here in Michigan longer than 1917, Coney Island here in Kalamazoo has been open since 1915 and he came here from the Detroit area where he brought the Coney from
Detroit Coneys use heated mustard on the hot dog FIRST, THEN THE Coney BEEF THEN THE ONION
So not nyc
This was a copycat of American Coney Island and I based the order on several videos as you will see during the first 10 seconds of this video th-cam.com/video/E956y8TtfVY/w-d-xo.html
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That Detroit coney looks ONO! I love me some mustard on a chili dog! Looks delicious
XLNT chili is amazing, it’s the closest thing I’ve found to Tommy’s chili. It’s not as good but I can go buy it at any store around here
Greg, since you are doing coneys, especially "Greek" style coneys. You should look at doing a Cincinnati Coney if you haven't yet. I am from Cincinnati and would be interested to know how they compare to Detroit dogs
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Try the chili dog in Rockford Michigan, the Corner Bar aka the hotdog hall of fame
One of the "Michigan" hot dogs I've had with chili used not "normal" ground beef, but finely ground beef heart. You'd never know it. I will be heretical here and say I prefer the chili with beans with some mustard (prefer brown, will accept yellow) and some onions finely chopped on top.
That’s the Flint style you must be talking about
What brand of dogs did you use????
They came from my butcher shop, "Harvest Ranch."
Gotta use Koegel dogs for the detroit coney.
A Kowalski or Winters natural casing dog works great too!
From Detroit, lived there 30 plus years , and I can tell you 100% the “Detroit coney dog” is not all it’s made out to be, I’ve never had an “Oklahoma “ coney dog so I have no reference but the Detroit won’t be hard to beat
The secret to Detroit style coney sauce is to mix all the ingredients in a cold pan with the water. Make the beef like a paste, that's how you get the super small pieces of meat that makes it a "sauce" and not a chili. You will never get the silky smooth texture browning the meat first. The chunks of meat will be to big
Im liking the looks of the coleslaw
It's good stuff Michael!
jackson Michigan is the oldest on the books for 1st coney hot dog, it's considered the birth place. There is much debate on who was first, with Jackson Coney Island going back to 1914. It's a drier sauce using Beef Heart and Greek spices. Original toppings are mustard and onion, ketchup is frowned upon by the purists.
A good chili dog is one of my not so guilty pleasures. As a Cincinnati native I'm a bit biased when it comes to my coney seeing as how we have our own style chili. But to be completely honest, one of my favorite chili dogs is made with the cheap ass hot dog sauce that comes in a can. Maybe because I grew up poor. But I still find myself enjoying it even though I can afford better now.
New channel? Ballistic Bangers?
You should try to emulate the Portillo‘s original Chicago dog. It is the best hotdog I’ve ever had!
My buddy Justin, from Baby Back Maniac made that same request. Thanks!
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Great video! If you do produce a hot dog video series, you’ve got to try NEW YORK SYSTEM WIENERS. The real ones are only served in Rhode Island - there are some videos on TH-cam to review. I’ve tried various recipes but have never been able to exactly duplicate the original. There is a source to buy wieners and sauce (delivered frozen) and the owner claims he supplies this to the wiener shops but it doesn’t live up to my childhood memory of the flavor. Keep the videos coming, cheers!
By 1940, ‘New York System’ described a distinct style of preparation that evolved in Providence’s Greek community.
Great suggestion! I'll be checking them out.
Greg, try the Tulsa Coney I lander coney's. Would not be disappointed.
The New York dawg is almost the same everywhere in the city. Mustard, Sauerkraut and onions......you can have all three or just two, but mustard always on them. And NO KETCHUP.......
You need a sport pickel and poppey seeded buns
Salt your cabbage first. Let it sit in a strainer to remove excess water, preventing your slaw from getting watery after it’s dressed and waiting to be used.
As a Swede (so I obviously have a lot of skin in the game here 😅), my only input is that whenever I'm visiting my relatives in Detroit, a plethora Coney dogs is must have for me for the celestial goodness it fills me with. That Oklahoma one looked very good. But for very un-objective reasons it can't be as good.
Those dogs looked delicious