@@schmausa795 then everyone tells you suck on Dbd fourms followed by making a reddit post about "This is why DBD is dying!" even though the player base remains pretty consistent on all platforms.
What is this, the DBD Japan Championship? The real strat is to facecamp the basement chest and get a 4k because the survivors kill themselves trying to get it.
I played against Scott ONE time. It was my first game on the PH ptb on Midwich. I didn't really look into PH's power or the map beforehand. It was a disaster. I was so disappointed.
Yeah I'm right there with you. Everytime I play just one game I've had enough and put it down for months. But I watch every one of these that scott releases.
I watch Scott regardless of whether or not I actually play the game. I think he is one of the most neutral opinions in the community, and I appreciate it.
I swear this game would not be near as popular if not for people like Scott and Otz. Watching these discussion videos made me want to start playing DBD again.
@@Rofel_Wodring The fact people even have _slight_ faith in this "identifying skill" system is baffling to me. This is something made by BHVR, you guys really expect it to work correctly for even half a second? I'm just surprised it hasn't entirely broken and reversed everything, putting rank 20s only against rank 1s and vice verca or something like that.
Survivor: Effectively loops me around shack instead of mindlessly running away from me Me: Runs mindlessly away from the survivor because I’m more afraid of them than they are of me
@@mindcontrol1973 I’m confused why ? It’s not hard to counter the killers but spirit and slinger give me the creep witch is good 😌 make the chase harder is more fun even if I get outplayed or outplay him both are fine
How to identify good survivors: they're the ones getting facecamped, nodded at, and hit on hook repeatedly because the killer finally downed them while the other 3 randoms escape through the doors.
I’m glad you recognised the fact rank 20s can run you for a while because I feel stupid but then I remember my chases have been one Meg dropping every pallet on the map
I will let that Meg clear an area of pallets til I find the next person. Not 100% effective but I like knowing an entire half or more of map is useless right off
I knew the footage was gonna be the Lisa from the other day. Was kinda funny to see you constantly compliment her the entire game on stream. Very stark contrast to most killer players who would just complain the entire chase about the game being bad or survivors being op or something.
the thing i hear most frequently from killers chasing good survivors is "yeah, she's just gonna abuse everything she has, of course" and then starts complaining about the killer they're playing not being able to counter anything, then proceeds to shit talk the survivor for NOT dropping pallets as they repeatedly swing through them early. it blows my mind sometimes how killers think everything else is the problem other than their own impatience and constant mistakes.
Some people who play this game are just so damn insecure, I feel. Rewatched a VOD on Twitch of my friends playing against a streamer (he was playing Trapper). He made fun of one of them when he stepped into trap, then he got looped by the other and complained about how he was just a "hold W gamer" and was "only a dumb pallet waster". Took him quite some time to get him, and of course he made fun of him when he downed him, saying "wow you're a big brain player kappa". How people can watch that kinda stuff is beyond me lol
6:48 I love how after a good chase there's 4 gens left, and then he skips forward a bit and there's a DC and someone dead with 3 gens left lol. Yep. That's the stuff.
Good loopers want you to chase them, they often find you at the start of the match just so they can start wasting your time as quickly as possible. Another point is they will pretty frequently know what gens are actively being worked on and steer you away from that area if possible. It's usually too late to realize you screwed up if a couple gens have popped and they can run you in the area where the gens are done safely. Scott benefitted from a DC or a strong run like that would have cost him way more than 2 gens, more like 4.
I'm sick of this big Scott talking, I want to hear what little Scott thinks! Hey lil fella! Come on out from the right side of the screen and say hello!
But if they are toxic it takes away all fun or when survovrs are not that great (they are good you know what i mean) but they do gens so effectively that you lose without feeling like they outplayed you on loops
My bad habit with nurse, is when I do find someone that knows interesting or very strong counterplay I will overcommit just to learn and for the challenge. This is usually how I lose my nurse games lol.
As survivor I got the basics of the 'high' skill level and how to use them, but its often that my mind doesnt see the linking things together, which make chases extremely fun for survivor since you just keep on going
“You know what sucks, when you go to press stop recording and it says start recording.” Yeah, Scott, I know that pain. I lost a lot of good game recording thanks to this. :(
5:47 this is not projecting or whatever, she has to hug the wall on her left in order to get a fast vault on that specific window. It's just knowing how to get the fast vault.
Pretty much the qualities great survivors is knowing the tiles, maximizing a pallet, and finally linking tiles. the third one is the difference between great and good survivors imo, Linking tiles. After the short-long wall loop 98% of survivors would looped the unsafe tile instead of going to LT. As a side note knowing how to play LT is pretty godlike not only you waste killers time but you're doing it without wasting resources.
Nice that you said something to the console player, doubt he knew it tho (except if he was in a vc with a pc player) because we for some reason still don't have aftergame chat on console
the way that i test how good survivors are mainly - how they run a loop or tile, an experienced survivor will know how not to get trapped after pulling a pallet or vaulting and lets them chain the loops together/. - more competent survivors will also try to mind game me or perform fake vaults.
I love it when survivors outplay me as killer since the game will actually be a challenge. Also if they play so well I’ll sometimes let them escape since they gave me fun chases.
Dude I just found your channel and I recently started getting into DbD. I feel like your channel could also double as a podcast! I would love to see you upload onto apple podcasts
Just putting it out for those who haven’t tried. But If I identify it’s a really skilled killer I’m up against who is ending chases fast, I’ll hide the fact I have dead hard for as long as I can or until my last hook state and yeet them with it during the most crucial moments. It’s only smart idea depending on who the killer is and the map/resources, but it works more than you think if their overzealous bc you’ve lulled them into thinking u weren’t using an exhaustion.
Nowadays I get caught really off guard when I face a genuinly good survivor, and I don't really play top tiers anymore just Doc and Micheal. When I get a survivor that uses their on-hit speed boost to bolt across the map and not pointlessly circle or run back to the pallet I know I'm usually in for a fun, if challenging match.
Honestly same, it's that rare now. I'll get caught out by something dumb like a successful window fake because everyone else is terrible at it or doesn't bother, for example. :') And then I have to switch my brain on and actually pay attention lol.
How too identify a good survivor crash course: Step one start a chase. Step 2 get a hit in after 2 pallets Step 3 realize he played halthy and you needed too waist about 30 seconds for one hit Step 4 go on reddit and cry about the game being Survivor sided. Step 5 SWEET VICTORY! Edit: Fucked up and switched out a word,
@@luci5205 I only dodge when it's multiple blendettes. they go down quickly, but are usually boring stealth gamers that drag out the match for 30+ minutes. I value my free time too much to put up with that lol
Many survivors, who try to loop the killer without using so many resources aren't that great, but just very cocky and greedy. These plays are very risky and so they end up dead rather soon, if the killer manages to make use out of their greed. So in my opinion very good survivors are identified as follows: - playing it safe (rather dropping a pallet than risking to go down) - chaining multiple loops together (using a weak unsafe pallet to gain distance after vaulting shack windows 3 times) - good at calculating timing and distances (when to start running towards a vault so that the killer barely can't reach you) - unique pathing to confuse and lose the killer (instead of running the same path 3 times like a robot) - body blocking for their teammates in crucial moments - understanding the killers weaknesses (e.g. clown can't hit while holding a bottle, hag's super low pov in corn field, POV lock while veaulting)
"Unique pathing to confuse and lose the killer" This can't be emphasised enough, it's incredible how often this works. Like you've broken line of sight around the loop and the killer just expects you to keep looping it but instead you've veered off and watch them continue to loop solo. See also: why Iron Will has been a staple in my build forever. Sad about it going from underrated to meta, means they're probably gonna destroy one of the best tools survivors have for actually "winning" a chase.
And ofc, you'd probably say this just means the killer was bad for not noticing the scratch marks, but even that second of confusion figuring out which direction they lead (because I admit it happens to me also) is enough to make distance.
@@makkie_3321 True. Although I just realized that I haven't had many of these "unique pathing" survivors lately. You only get a little glimpse of them at the corner and chase 90% without line of sight just by guessing. I guess you need thousands of hours to master that. Nowadays I mostly get Iron Will gamers, who sometimes lose me "on accident", or Blendettes who crouch in a corner as soon as I break a pallet. As survivor Iron Will was definitely one of my favourite perks too, because it's really fun to use and you can actually see it work. But I have to say, that it's too strong imo, similar to the other ~5 survivor meta perks. So it would be fine for me, if they actually nerf it. In general the devs are nerfing very quickly if there are op killer perks coming up (like it happened to Undying lately), but they are very generous with leaving op survivor perks as they are. And this also applies when the perks are consistently abused in an unintended unhealthy way, which happens with BT and DS every match. Now they even buff Borrowed Time, which is even more rediculous.
@@makkie_3321 If survivors master this skill, they walk for a second to not leave scratch marks in crucial spots. Fungoose has some educational content specifically on the topic "unique pathing". This guy is just very good, I guess he can loop an average killer 1 vs. 1 for about 10 mins at least.
@@maxmustermann3876 - looks at my 3k hours - Might have a point there. Thing about perks is that it's hard to nerf the strong survivor ones. DS got reworked like 3 times. (And it's "fine" now, it's not strong.) BT also got hit multiple times. How do you even nerf Iron Will without making it useless? I haven't even seen anyone try to think of a way. Meanwhile Undying was blatantly overtuned to hell and back and needed dialed back a bit. The changes to it were good. Also incredibly easy. We all basically knew what to change about it ourselves. Other than that though... perks don't really get nerfed much in general? Only the true problem perks. There's a bunch of nerfs I'm personally waiting on but I doubt they'll come. On BT though... it was dumb that it didn't work against stealth killers and then particularly Freddy post-changes. That needed fixing. The problem though imo is that their fix is stupid. They should've simply made it proximity based, idk why tf they made it an always activated thing instead.
Insta-dropping every pallet from tile to tile often wastes enough of the killer's time for the rest of the survivors to get 5 gens done. At least that is what I experiance when not playing very mobile killers like Ghostface
Typically that probably depends on the map. If it's something like The Game with 14 safe pallets? Yep, doesn't matter that I have EndFury Brutal on my Wraith, chances are I'm holding W through practically all of those if the survivors aren't bad. For other maps structures are taken into account. There's a couple of maps like that but a lot of them, once the safe pallets are gone (of which there are far fewer), there's not much for the survivors to work with.
I mean, it's not like the days of old Autohaven, where survivors could just run dropping every pallet on the map (and like none of them were unsafe) and there'd still be some left by the end. BHVR have for the most part worked to change that. (Now you gotta break some breakable walls instead Kappa)
Also wait, "Very mobile", "Ghost Face". Huh? He's base move speed, fancy explaining your thinking behind that? Wraith is more mobile than he is and I still wouldn't class him as a mobile killer like say Nurse or Hillbilly.
@@piotrziemniak7496 Yep, this is a good point. Another part of knowing when to break chase is being able to identify that you A) Get no value from creating dead zones in that area (no gens) and B) Are actively losing pressure by chasing nowhere near gens being worked on. (Generally speaking, obviously there's specific circumstances and nuance.)
Lmao, I did this yesterday. I was playing Plague and got this Claude who fast vaulted multiple times, and I just puked on her and left her. She legit threw trying to get me to chase her lmaoooo.
@iiYonko Oh hey you're that famous dude who tunneled Tru3 as Doctor for attention lol, nice to see you being helpful and giving out advice about dbd though
My super power as survivor is fucking up my first chase, making the killer think I’m bad and then when they tunnel to get me out of the game fast - running them for a long time
Having a killer drop chase against you is a huge compliment, unfortunately, you often see killers BM really good survivors when they do finally catch them. The head nod when getting downed after running a killer for 3 or more gens is as frustrating as it is funny.
Damn dude, id really like to go against scott. I Feel like hes a good killer and my 1550h of dbd are almost exclusive to survivor, it would be a good match up
This is actually so annoying from survivor perspective. When im playing with friends around half of killers just leave chase with me after few seconds and I borderline don't care about other aspects of them game like holding m1.
Sometimes I feel like I'll never be good at the game because I play on console. I know that skill matters more than the platform, but it's still hard not to get discouraged by all of the PC players that talk bad about us. It's so refreshing to see a console player do well.
@@blueflare3848 seeing pc players talk bad about console players is just upsetting, but it just means it's more fun to destroy them as a console player
Yeah keep your heads high, im on console (rank 1 even though its not hard to get to) and i survive about 80% of my games, its not platform its just something pc wants to say to try and feel superior, maybe in a shooter they have an advantage but not dbd.
You don't even need to do any of this good survivor stuff as long as your team does gens. You can camp and insta throw every pallet and there are so many on the maps that your team can easily get the gens done
Disagree, you can definitely chase and down good survivors around an unused map as every killer. There is, on every possible gen spawn on every map a way to get a good version of every chase on every tile (usually a few!) and with good routing, zoning and time management every killer can win. No reason to avoid good survivors, just get better until it doesn't matter how good they are.
“You just need someone is slightly not as good.”
That’s right, that’s me baby.
Ash reference
@@qoughitup What now?
Whos shitting in the tall grass
*What now?*
@@qoughitup what now
Buddy time stamps
Buddy walks into frame 0:33
Buddy jumps on window stool 1:00
Buddy jumps off window stool onto carpet 3:38
Buddy walks away 3:40
EDIT: I initially mistook Buddy for Phillip. Sorry!
thats buddy you uncultured swine
A noble effort thwarted by your lack of cat knowledge. Shameful display!!!!!
XD
I expect this in future videos,
Nice try, Scott. We all know that the best play is to chase 1 survivor until you eventually get them down, then facecamp into noed at endgame.
then you bitch about SWF even though you chased one person
@@ScottJund then makes a post on dbd forums titled “should swf be removed?”
@@schmausa795 then everyone tells you suck on Dbd fourms followed by making a reddit post about "This is why DBD is dying!" even though the player base remains pretty consistent on all platforms.
What is this, the DBD Japan Championship? The real strat is to facecamp the basement chest and get a 4k because the survivors kill themselves trying to get it.
@@schmausa795 then talk about how you should get some of a streamers revenue because they need you in the game to make that money
imagine getting featured on a video about good survivors... but you're the ace
I played against Scott ONE time. It was my first game on the PH ptb on Midwich. I didn't really look into PH's power or the map beforehand. It was a disaster. I was so disappointed.
They had us in the first half not gonna lie
@@playa08fly I unknowingly played with him like 4 months ago. My friend sent me the link, totally caught me by surprise
Imagine getting featured a video about good survivors but you're The Quentin.
@@TheRealSinful hiding in a corner (hope someone get s the joke)
Rule of thumb: If there's a default meg, get 'em.
HEY >:(
Lol please do I can't get better if you don't
Or claud
Jokes on you, I go default Meg to fool killers into thinking I am a baby.
@@xxxzeroxxx8406 actually a viable strategy, makes the killer/survivor underestimate you, subconsciously or not!
Is it me or watching Scott talk about dbd more entertaining then actually playing it. I haven’t played in like a year and still enjoy these.
Yeah I'm right there with you. Everytime I play just one game I've had enough and put it down for months. But I watch every one of these that scott releases.
I watch Scott regardless of whether or not I actually play the game. I think he is one of the most neutral opinions in the community, and I appreciate it.
I swear this game would not be near as popular if not for people like Scott and Otz. Watching these discussion videos made me want to start playing DBD again.
Ikr everytime I get that urge to play it I remembered why I stopped lol.
same
*Checks for good survivors* : all are good survivors *QUITS MATCH*
me: rank 7
all the survivors: crazy good without bming
after match: 4 red ranks
@@alexadams4017 Maybe you're just not good enough to have that identifying skill. Nah it's always everyone is a god gaymer and you're always right
@@Rofel_Wodring The fact people even have _slight_ faith in this "identifying skill" system is baffling to me. This is something made by BHVR, you guys really expect it to work correctly for even half a second?
I'm just surprised it hasn't entirely broken and reversed everything, putting rank 20s only against rank 1s and vice verca or something like that.
Yeah if I'm just blowing the game and stand no chance I start meme-ing
@@fusrosandvich3738 i mean scott himself said it seems to work.. and scott is pretty critical so... would i trust a whiny gaymer or a chad scott?
Survivor: Effectively loops me around shack instead of mindlessly running away from me
Me: Runs mindlessly away from the survivor because I’m more afraid of them than they are of me
"But I'm stupid, I like chasing the good Survivors."
felt that.
Saaaaame
@@mindcontrol1973 I’m confused why ? It’s not hard to counter the killers but spirit and slinger give me the creep witch is good 😌 make the chase harder is more fun even if I get outplayed or outplay him both are fine
"minimizing player skill, aka the spirit tech"
made me spit out my antifreeze
How to identify good survivors: they're the ones getting facecamped, nodded at, and hit on hook repeatedly because the killer finally downed them while the other 3 randoms escape through the doors.
I’m glad you recognised the fact rank 20s can run you for a while because I feel stupid but then I remember my chases have been one Meg dropping every pallet on the map
I will let that Meg clear an area of pallets til I find the next person. Not 100% effective but I like knowing an entire half or more of map is useless right off
@@dillydoor that’s true! I do feel bad for the next person I chase because I’m like damn you really have no chance here
@Arcadia yeah you’re right! Just feels bad man when you’re chasing a bad survivor for so long because they’ve thrown every single pallet haha
I knew the footage was gonna be the Lisa from the other day. Was kinda funny to see you constantly compliment her the entire game on stream. Very stark contrast to most killer players who would just complain the entire chase about the game being bad or survivors being op or something.
the thing i hear most frequently from killers chasing good survivors is "yeah, she's just gonna abuse everything she has, of course" and then starts complaining about the killer they're playing not being able to counter anything, then proceeds to shit talk the survivor for NOT dropping pallets as they repeatedly swing through them early. it blows my mind sometimes how killers think everything else is the problem other than their own impatience and constant mistakes.
Some people who play this game are just so damn insecure, I feel. Rewatched a VOD on Twitch of my friends playing against a streamer (he was playing Trapper). He made fun of one of them when he stepped into trap, then he got looped by the other and complained about how he was just a "hold W gamer" and was "only a dumb pallet waster". Took him quite some time to get him, and of course he made fun of him when he downed him, saying "wow you're a big brain player kappa". How people can watch that kinda stuff is beyond me lol
@@desadia Watch Tru3, he's the epitome of that shit. Dude is a cringe factory.
I honestly feel like I didn’t do great but I appreciate the compliments thanks Scott :D
Wait you were the Cheryl?
@@voidburger2989 yea
@@TheTrollzor74 you are a true legend
Can I ask what build?
@@ihatethisaccount1049 WGLF, we’ll make it, auto, desperate measures
6:48 I love how after a good chase there's 4 gens left, and then he skips forward a bit and there's a DC and someone dead with 3 gens left lol. Yep. That's the stuff.
2 gens done after like 2 minutes chase. Wow. I know it's a big map but still
“Not letting the survivors skill matter, AKA the spirit strat” love it haha
Whenever I identify the least good survivor on the team in my head I think "YOU ARE THE WEAKEST LINK"
"The best player in the world can't do much if they have no pallets"
Laughs in Haddonfield and Lery's
You can still work the killer with good loops. Pallet or not.
@@Phantom-kc9ly windows + huge structures back to back to hide behind, yeah, but you still need pallet factor to last more than 1 min
Good loopers want you to chase them, they often find you at the start of the match just so they can start wasting your time as quickly as possible. Another point is they will pretty frequently know what gens are actively being worked on and steer you away from that area if possible. It's usually too late to realize you screwed up if a couple gens have popped and they can run you in the area where the gens are done safely. Scott benefitted from a DC or a strong run like that would have cost him way more than 2 gens, more like 4.
Thanks Scott now I know I will constantly get chased
I'm sick of this big Scott talking, I want to hear what little Scott thinks! Hey lil fella! Come on out from the right side of the screen and say hello!
Main lesson I got from this video, it takes a good survivor to know a good survivor
I love how you're able to do these in one take.
i mean
technically it's his second take
Then you have Otz who will do 6 hours in one take lmao
@@Liam-mv9zi He doesnt talk about like a specific topic, but a tier list or a guide yes, that could take a long time but is doable.
livestreaming makes you get better at doing something without edits
A Scott Jund video
damn scott, imagine ur 10 min vid u forgot to record was one of otz’s 5 hour long analysis’
5 hour analysis of a game with 2 buttons
A match full of good survivors that play for fun is some of the most fun to have as a killer IMO
But if they are toxic it takes away all fun or when survovrs are not that great (they are good you know what i mean) but they do gens so effectively that you lose without feeling like they outplayed you on loops
*Looks at the hud* : See's a DC and only 3 gens done.
Welcome to survivor where it doesn't matter how good you are if matchmaking decides you lose.
Raycu2 and some killers whine about swf I swear to god solo q is worse than facing a swf
“Survivors are not always in amazing areas”
Laughs in Springwood
My bad habit with nurse, is when I do find someone that knows interesting or very strong counterplay I will overcommit just to learn and for the challenge. This is usually how I lose my nurse games lol.
This was legitimately the most helpful thing i learned when i started playing killer.
"aka the spirit tech" - I laughed so hard I had to pause the video.
“it’s pretty rare for anyone to go against a pretty good survivor” me, a terrible killer: every survivor is a good survivor :,)
The intro is too true, especially for campaign games when you’re trying to get your genuine first play through reaction 🥲
Salty rank one killer fan
Average both side equal enjoyer
As survivor I got the basics of the 'high' skill level and how to use them, but its often that my mind doesnt see the linking things together, which make chases extremely fun for survivor since you just keep on going
“You know what sucks, when you go to press stop recording and it says start recording.”
Yeah, Scott, I know that pain. I lost a lot of good game recording thanks to this. :(
5:47 this is not projecting or whatever, she has to hug the wall on her left in order to get a fast vault on that specific window. It's just knowing how to get the fast vault.
5 gend an oni, he then proceeded to curse at me... like damn what i do
@@justmonika2345 i guess they feel like they will eventually get you and laugh at how bad you are cuz they hooked you
Pretty much the qualities great survivors is knowing the tiles, maximizing a pallet, and finally linking tiles. the third one is the difference between great and good survivors imo, Linking tiles. After the short-long wall loop 98% of survivors would looped the unsafe tile instead of going to LT. As a side note knowing how to play LT is pretty godlike not only you waste killers time but you're doing it without wasting resources.
Scott; "If you wanna be a good killer, don't be me"
5:30 She wasnt projecting herself she was going for the fast vault because you have to hug the short wall then do the sharp turn to get the fast vault
Nice that you said something to the console player, doubt he knew it tho (except if he was in a vc with a pc player) because we for some reason still don't have aftergame chat on console
As soon as someone gets clicky clicky with a flashlight I just turn and find someone else lol
Scott “Can’t record a video in one take” Jund
the way that i test how good survivors are mainly
- how they run a loop or tile, an experienced survivor will know how not to get trapped after pulling a pallet or vaulting and lets them chain the loops together/.
- more competent survivors will also try to mind game me or perform fake vaults.
5:45 I think she went to the direction to lineup the fast vault and not faking the direction.
I wonder who's gonna join Tapp and Nea in the top right and top left corners
Imagine how smug youd feel watching this video as the guy scott was talking about
I like chasing the good ones to Scott, youre not alone
I love it when survivors outplay me as killer since the game will actually be a challenge. Also if they play so well I’ll sometimes let them escape since they gave me fun chases.
Literally when I see a David or a Bill, it's a killer's goldmine for me. Never refuse a match full of Davids and Bills.
Im a fairly good killer and understand the mindsets of good swfs, but when i get chased by a killer i panic and mess up everything
Dude I just found your channel and I recently started getting into DbD. I feel like your channel could also double as a podcast! I would love to see you upload onto apple podcasts
Just putting it out for those who haven’t tried. But If I identify it’s a really skilled killer I’m up against who is ending chases fast, I’ll hide the fact I have dead hard for as long as I can or until my last hook state and yeet them with it during the most crucial moments. It’s only smart idea depending on who the killer is and the map/resources, but it works more than you think if their overzealous bc you’ve lulled them into thinking u weren’t using an exhaustion.
lmfao this is like the 3rd time in the last year that Scott accidentally forgot to hit record
Nowadays I get caught really off guard when I face a genuinly good survivor, and I don't really play top tiers anymore just Doc and Micheal. When I get a survivor that uses their on-hit speed boost to bolt across the map and not pointlessly circle or run back to the pallet I know I'm usually in for a fun, if challenging match.
Honestly same, it's that rare now. I'll get caught out by something dumb like a successful window fake because everyone else is terrible at it or doesn't bother, for example. :') And then I have to switch my brain on and actually pay attention lol.
@@makkie_3321 Thats my "oh shit ok time to focus" moment.
A good survivor is one who has seen both sides
How too identify a good survivor crash course:
Step one start a chase.
Step 2 get a hit in after 2 pallets
Step 3 realize he played halthy and you needed too waist about 30 seconds for one hit
Step 4 go on reddit and cry about the game being Survivor sided.
Step 5 SWEET VICTORY!
Edit: Fucked up and switched out a word,
Its okay to say im a Noob
Identifying Good Survivors: A Quentin.
a p3 quentin to be specific, if i seen one in a lobby as killer i dodge because i know im about to get run
@@luci5205 why run if you lose you still learned something
@@WFOnaga it was a joke i don't actually dodge but they DO strike fear into my hearts every time
@@luci5205 I only dodge when it's multiple blendettes. they go down quickly, but are usually boring stealth gamers that drag out the match for 30+ minutes. I value my free time too much to put up with that lol
It's fun to find where the cat is in your videos 😌
Many survivors, who try to loop the killer without using so many resources aren't that great, but just very cocky and greedy. These plays are very risky and so they end up dead rather soon, if the killer manages to make use out of their greed.
So in my opinion very good survivors are identified as follows:
- playing it safe (rather dropping a pallet than risking to go down)
- chaining multiple loops together (using a weak unsafe pallet to gain distance after vaulting shack windows 3 times)
- good at calculating timing and distances (when to start running towards a vault so that the killer barely can't reach you)
- unique pathing to confuse and lose the killer (instead of running the same path 3 times like a robot)
- body blocking for their teammates in crucial moments
- understanding the killers weaknesses (e.g. clown can't hit while holding a bottle, hag's super low pov in corn field, POV lock while veaulting)
"Unique pathing to confuse and lose the killer"
This can't be emphasised enough, it's incredible how often this works. Like you've broken line of sight around the loop and the killer just expects you to keep looping it but instead you've veered off and watch them continue to loop solo.
See also: why Iron Will has been a staple in my build forever. Sad about it going from underrated to meta, means they're probably gonna destroy one of the best tools survivors have for actually "winning" a chase.
And ofc, you'd probably say this just means the killer was bad for not noticing the scratch marks, but even that second of confusion figuring out which direction they lead (because I admit it happens to me also) is enough to make distance.
@@makkie_3321
True.
Although I just realized that I haven't had many of these "unique pathing" survivors lately. You only get a little glimpse of them at the corner and chase 90% without line of sight just by guessing. I guess you need thousands of hours to master that.
Nowadays I mostly get Iron Will gamers, who sometimes lose me "on accident", or Blendettes who crouch in a corner as soon as I break a pallet.
As survivor Iron Will was definitely one of my favourite perks too, because it's really fun to use and you can actually see it work.
But I have to say, that it's too strong imo, similar to the other ~5 survivor meta perks.
So it would be fine for me, if they actually nerf it.
In general the devs are nerfing very quickly if there are op killer perks coming up (like it happened to Undying lately), but they are very generous with leaving op survivor perks as they are. And this also applies when the perks are consistently abused in an unintended unhealthy way, which happens with BT and DS every match. Now they even buff Borrowed Time, which is even more rediculous.
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If survivors master this skill, they walk for a second to not leave scratch marks in crucial spots.
Fungoose has some educational content specifically on the topic "unique pathing". This guy is just very good, I guess he can loop an average killer 1 vs. 1 for about 10 mins at least.
@@maxmustermann3876 - looks at my 3k hours - Might have a point there.
Thing about perks is that it's hard to nerf the strong survivor ones. DS got reworked like 3 times. (And it's "fine" now, it's not strong.) BT also got hit multiple times. How do you even nerf Iron Will without making it useless? I haven't even seen anyone try to think of a way.
Meanwhile Undying was blatantly overtuned to hell and back and needed dialed back a bit. The changes to it were good. Also incredibly easy. We all basically knew what to change about it ourselves.
Other than that though... perks don't really get nerfed much in general? Only the true problem perks. There's a bunch of nerfs I'm personally waiting on but I doubt they'll come.
On BT though... it was dumb that it didn't work against stealth killers and then particularly Freddy post-changes. That needed fixing. The problem though imo is that their fix is stupid. They should've simply made it proximity based, idk why tf they made it an always activated thing instead.
Insta-dropping every pallet from tile to tile often wastes enough of the killer's time for the rest of the survivors to get 5 gens done. At least that is what I experiance when not playing very mobile killers like Ghostface
Typically that probably depends on the map. If it's something like The Game with 14 safe pallets? Yep, doesn't matter that I have EndFury Brutal on my Wraith, chances are I'm holding W through practically all of those if the survivors aren't bad. For other maps structures are taken into account.
There's a couple of maps like that but a lot of them, once the safe pallets are gone (of which there are far fewer), there's not much for the survivors to work with.
I mean, it's not like the days of old Autohaven, where survivors could just run dropping every pallet on the map (and like none of them were unsafe) and there'd still be some left by the end. BHVR have for the most part worked to change that.
(Now you gotta break some breakable walls instead Kappa)
You dont have to chase them if they are away from everyone else and they have good pallets
Also wait, "Very mobile", "Ghost Face".
Huh? He's base move speed, fancy explaining your thinking behind that? Wraith is more mobile than he is and I still wouldn't class him as a mobile killer like say Nurse or Hillbilly.
@@piotrziemniak7496 Yep, this is a good point. Another part of knowing when to break chase is being able to identify that you A) Get no value from creating dead zones in that area (no gens) and B) Are actively losing pressure by chasing nowhere near gens being worked on.
(Generally speaking, obviously there's specific circumstances and nuance.)
Why are you running strider on blight
love ur content scott
Lmao, I did this yesterday. I was playing Plague and got this Claude who fast vaulted multiple times, and I just puked on her and left her. She legit threw trying to get me to chase her lmaoooo.
I feel attacked by the accurate weaker link narrative 😭😭
SCOTT HELP what do I do when they run the second they hear my terror radius and just hold W?!?
if you're in a position where you cant cut them off, dont bother chasing
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@iiYonko Oh hey you're that famous dude who tunneled Tru3 as Doctor for attention lol, nice to see you being helpful and giving out advice about dbd though
My super power as survivor is fucking up my first chase, making the killer think I’m bad and then when they tunnel to get me out of the game fast - running them for a long time
Very good tips Scott thanks bro
Min 3:28 look at the handle, then at the weapon
It's curved or I'm crazy?
OhMyDog
The cat jumped!!
video starts at 10:02
Having a killer drop chase against you is a huge compliment, unfortunately, you often see killers BM really good survivors when they do finally catch them. The head nod when getting downed after running a killer for 3 or more gens is as frustrating as it is funny.
When I play survivor at the start of the chase I try to act bad to trick the killer
This is the cat content I like to see.
I wonder if Scott intended to make a "How to loop better" tutorial?
I'm trying to find aspects from my survivor gameplay in this video to see if I'm good... I'm trying
Lisa Garland Supremacy 👸🏼
Damn dude, id really like to go against scott. I Feel like hes a good killer and my 1550h of dbd are almost exclusive to survivor, it would be a good match up
6 days it has been 6 days since this video was released and I just got the notification for it good thing I already saw it
i dont think looking back with controller is harder
This is actually so annoying from survivor perspective. When im playing with friends around half of killers just leave chase with me after few seconds and I borderline don't care about other aspects of them game like holding m1.
Finally good representation of console players! (I know that wasn't the point of the video but at the end he mentioned how they were console)
Sometimes I feel like I'll never be good at the game because I play on console. I know that skill matters more than the platform, but it's still hard not to get discouraged by all of the PC players that talk bad about us. It's so refreshing to see a console player do well.
@@blueflare3848 seeing pc players talk bad about console players is just upsetting, but it just means it's more fun to destroy them as a console player
Yeah keep your heads high, im on console (rank 1 even though its not hard to get to) and i survive about 80% of my games, its not platform its just something pc wants to say to try and feel superior, maybe in a shooter they have an advantage but not dbd.
@@kylehampton4017 it might make spins easier, but I just play on 100 sens so it can't be that much harder
Honestly I am at red ranks and dont see many survivors who understand fast vault vs medium vault
That Cheryl was godly but her team couldn't even hold M1 on gens pretty much invalidating her looping skills.
9 seconds of intro? Im already asleep .......jk great video as usual Scott
So that's what I look like when I loop.
Thanks Scott this helped
You don't even need to do any of this good survivor stuff as long as your team does gens. You can camp and insta throw every pallet and there are so many on the maps that your team can easily get the gens done
so basically chase the bots because if they 4 are good unless you are blight nurse or spirit you are done
OMG the fat kitty again
I learned a lot from this video
6:55 STILL NOT FIXING PALLET STUN VERY GOOD JOB SO FAR
"i'm stupid, i like chasing good survivors" i felt that
Puts up Meat factory offering so all survivors are good
Mfw I use these tips to make myself look like a good survivor only to go down in a 10 second chase.
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Disagree, you can definitely chase and down good survivors around an unused map as every killer. There is, on every possible gen spawn on every map a way to get a good version of every chase on every tile (usually a few!) and with good routing, zoning and time management every killer can win. No reason to avoid good survivors, just get better until it doesn't matter how good they are.
Hello Scott, how are you doing?
10 sec and its already like this XD
It's so easy to find them. All I do is queue into a match as survivor and they'll be in the middle of the screen the entire game. :P