They introduce a perk like NOED but instead of a Totem that makes the Survivors Exposed, the Killer just pulls out a shotgun with buckshot. Yes, every Killer can do so, even Chucky. And yes, when Sadako uses it, it floats like everything else. Got to keep the consistency.
@@jeffprime4495 Maybe not a full rework, his base design is pretty engaging, I think they just need to tweak a lot of things and give him actual add-ons that do their job. (And they need to let my pointy boy nod he's the only killer in the entire game that can't nod at all. Please BHVR give the lad a neck even if it's only a subtle and tiny nod the fans would eat it up)
I think you underrated nemesis a LOT. All zombie speed addons would make them 2.1 m/s, with them going to 3.6 m/s with stars badge active which is GAMEBREAKING. If one of them locks onto a survivor, the survivor is essentially creating only 0.4 m/s of distance from the zombie, which remember have a huge detection radius of 20m, meaning survivors could theoretically need to run in a straight line for up to 50s (!!!) to create enough distance to shrug off 1 (one) zombie. Sure they could be using pallets, flashlights and windows to delay them, but the amount of time and resources survivors would need to dedicate to keep BOTH zombies under control whenever a gen is done is CRAZY. Pair it with monitor and abuse, tinkerer and/or discordance and survivors literally cannot play. If that's not enought for you, there's only 3 vaccines on the match that take 9 extra seconds to apply that reveal and get you exposed, against a killer that can at any moment go undetectable and ramps up to level 3 ridiculously fast. In summary, the only weakness of nemesis - map control - would be completely solved and made into a literal hell for survivors by the hands of greg and susan. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
Yeah honestly that's a very good point, I still think that on average large maps the speedy zombies would still fail to find Survivors often but you make a great point!!
Don't forget the fact that the respawn add-ons make Killing Zombies pretty much a non-option, they HAVE to blind them or get them in a softlock, or dedicate one person to coralling zombies until they're hunted down and now there's 2 zombies heading around where a hook occured
@@saudf5921 It is supposed to represent the "Teenage Angst", which is what makes it appealing. Some people don't like it, they see it as 'cringe', and that's completely fair.
YESSSS one hour of you rambling about the repercussions of add-on combos that literally cannot exist in the game and will never affect me in any match, ever. HOW is this so exciting I don't KNOW, but it IS, bless your chat.
16:10 Nurse would be in a much worse position: the Matchbox on nurse does not reduce the blinks BY one, but TO one. That means that she would only have one blink
Nurse's blinks make me motion sick so in order to play her I use this add on along with machine learning, batteries included, play with ur food, and fire up or tinkerer. I've made it my goal to see if no blink nurse can b made into a decent play style
You’re insane, but that’s a weird amount of genius. After all, who is going to loop against a nurse? Then the survivor runs out into no mans land and gets stabbed.
@CrabbChips Lore accurate Wesker would just be him running around the entire map and three seconds, shooting people, and having the ability to dodge pallets stuns lol.
Pig finally A-Tier! An active trap with four boxes left to search leaves you with around 60 seconds to traverse, that might be actually not enough time. One missed skill check that puts you in mend and it's definitely over.
@ Doubling gens would barely do anything, but extend the game by 25%. Doubling hooks would make it impossible to play. Edit: Taking it back since slugging would be incredibly viable and make great use of the extra gen time.
This makes me really curious what a potential "best possible add-on build" would look like in a tier list. Like what if you COULD pick-and-choose? Which killers would be the best, which ones would still suck?
Really fun video 😊 it's made me think about how Iris work though. I love the ones that have cool synergy and can almost 'enable' the other. I think it's a shame when add-ons can't be used together, especially the Iris. But then it would also be a shame to lose some unique add-ons if that were the case, like Hag's Iris. Happy new year soon! My partner and I have enjoyed watching lots of your tier lists this year ❤
You probably won't believe me, but I was the one who asked that is your chat Otz. I'm equally as intersted in this topic and am very glad you made this video! ❤
"Killers have 20 add-on slots now which means that finally, FINALLY, Pyramid Head mains can add some variety to their build: They can add in a third add-on and leave the other 17 slots blank."
@@notOtzdarva If Torment had more severe *immediate* consequences, maybe duration might be remotely worth considering. But most of Torment's benefits come from downing a Survivor with it, and having your trails last for another 3-5 business days doesn't exactly help with that.
@@perfectharbinger1398 Torment is fine as is, the trails are generally fine as is too. Because if they last significantly longer, survivors are forced to crouch everywhere. If torment did more than it does now, survivors would be punished for not crouching. The main issue with the trail is that addons affecting survivors surrounding the trail are always going to be terrible, because you cant buff the trail too much. But you can rework them all to benefit PH. Like, give him 5% haste when walking on the trail. Give him aura reading within 5 meters or smth (not more because then he can camp cages without issue). Stuff like that.
@@notOtzdarva nurse would be worse then all killers except myer's. you get 1 blink at 4.4 with half distance, half blink lunge while having a power that makes 4.4 m/s for 60 SECONDS. i'd put nurse at the bottom.
Wraith would be very good imo. His aura still being a thing could actually be useful or negated by aura perks or undetectable perks. Incredibly fast, best info, uncloaks after breaking a pallet in a nanosecond and completely silent. Would be very hard to go up against.
Definitely. The terror radius is barely an issue since what do survivors do? Wraith vaults windows faster than survivors and can’t even use pallets if they don’t make a mistake. Pre-drop is an instant break, greed will be a bodyblock, and don’t even try to stun them…
@ plus, beast and serpent with dissolution is an actually fun build that catches survivors off guard. Imagine that, but with insane movement and info built in
I think a mild version of this concept would be a really cool experimental game mode with killers getting 3 or maybe 4 add-on slots and survivors get an extra perk slot or two or could bring 2 different items
Trapper places a trap, you come across it Your options: 1. Disarm it (takes forever and be injured) 2. Walk into it while healthy (padded jaws will proc and you'll be fine but could risk geing caught 3. Walk into it while injured (you're fucked) 4. Walk around it / vault over it
God forbid ur on a small map and while ur constantly getting these 5 hits ur destroying all the pallets and gens are regressing AND the remaining survivors would have a 16 second mend. Overall legion is vastly underrated here
Otz didn't realize but hag has an add-on that makes phantasm traps not spawn the illusionary hag when triggered, which directly counteracts the bodyblock add-on, so all that's left is just a faster killer that slows you when you go in certain places...
The thing about Myers too, is that he'd have the speed debuff from the Tombstone as well on top of being locked at T1, which moves slower than normal already. And the thing with Doctor is, the main effect of the addons stack (I use double shock delay a lot) so he'd get -0.45 seconds on his shock therapy, which is insane. On top of the fact that Calm would make him completely undetectable by reducing his terror radius to nothing while Static Blast was on cooldown, and then making it basically map wide when it IS ready, which is on a much shorter cooldown due to the Order notes, and because it raises their Madness level by 1, they'd have their auras revealed for six seconds due to the Restraint notes. Paragraph andy but tldr Doctor would be broken.
I’ve always wanted each killer to have an add-on that completely changes their power/moveset. Hell. It could be a way for the devs to test new reworks.
I think Otzdarva might be sleeping on 20 add-on Legion here. If you give Legion Julie's Mixtape and the Iridescent Button, then run Spirit Fury/Enduring and Hubris, you force survivors into a no-win scenario where healing does nothing and you cannot stop the Legion except by bodyblocking. Ordinarily, the downside to this is you're locked into a hyper-specific build and can't gain any of the benefits of the other Legion add-ons. BUT in 20 add-on mode, you get all the extra stuff Otz talks about! If you take the survivors to The Game, you become a pallet mulching machine, rapidly turning the entire map into a giant dead zone, and destroying survivors as they panic because they've run out of pallets _on The Game._
Been thinking about a similar custom gamemode for quite some time, this topic reminds me of it. The Gamemode would go something like this: Normal 1-Killer vs 4-Survivor setup with 5 Gens and the Door to open. However both Killer and Suvivor can have up to 8 Perks in their kit and 4 Addons on their items or power. There is a Catch however: A point system exists with a maximum of 100 Points. This Point system is for balance reason. If your points go into the negative your Character will be hit with debuffs like reduced action-speed or movespeed, increasing the higher your negative points are (-100 Points is the max it can reach, below that number you aren’t able to join a lobby). Equipping Perks and/or Items with Addons decreases the amount of points depending on their rarity while leaving slots empty doesn’t decrease the points. At or above 0 Point your character will have small buffs like increase action-speed or moves. For examle: A Trapper equips 6 Perks (-15 Points per perk) and the addons: Honing Stone , Trapperbag (-10 points per Very rare Addon) and Iridescent Stone (-20 points cause Ultra rare addon). He would have a point score of -30 and would be affected with 3 Debuffs (1 Debuff per -10 points) to balance this that trapper has to pick a choice of 3 debuffs. He chooses 3 times -10% Trap setting speed and now he can search for a lobby.
Thank you for this! This was really fun. But also, super informative. I havent gotten into the weeds on the addons for a number of the Killers and this has helped inform me about some cool addons that I I believe will help me find certain killers more enjoyable to play.
using the addon and getting a 4k an amount of times, getting adepts with it, using only it in 4ks, and in exchange it should be infinite and erase it from the blood web. A fully prestiged killer should only have BP and map offerings and event ones. At max level you should be able to increase the BP cap by some amount and get two BP offering slots.
@@CounterGoose53Variety of add-ons is pretty much what people choose to bring anyway.If killer is going for a win,he probably Will bring 2 strongest add-ons,as it's not always a case that strong add-on has to be rare
Super fun video idea, I’d love to see another one where killers have access to all their addons but can choose to exclude certain ones to see how it changes the tier list!
Honestly, the far more interesting (and less unrealistic) question would be: Which killers would profit the most from having a third addon slot? I am not asking who would be the strongest killer, it would obviously still be someone like nurse or blight. But who would simply elevate themselves the best through one additional addon. It obviously wouldn't be Freddy or Pyramid Head since their addons generally suck.
I've been watching for a while lot longer and it really sounds like otz is in a teleshopping commercial "you get this AND you get this AND you get this AND you get this...."
I appreciate how much effort you put into everything you put into everything you do on DbD. My fiancé and I were talking about a lot of these as soon as we saw the title, and this was really fun to watch. I also love that you are honest with everything you do and don't sugar coat things on behavior's behalf. So thank you for all that you do in the community.
I'm a huge fan of hypothetical questions like this, me and my friends have discussed multiple times how if we all even had 5 perks instead of 4 how crazy different the game would be, and this is right up that alley
Otz, I love your dedication to the game and how much time and thought you put into these videos. Keep up the good work because DbD wouldn't be the same without you ❤
17:24 there is a big mistake he made with nurse: matchbox limits the charges to 1 and this cant be changed with torn bookmark so you just have more movement speed, less blinks, slower charging blinks, less range with blinks, less lunge and 50% of her add ons don’t work with 1 blink anyways, she would be one of the worst killers in the game i think, M1-Killer with no power
Because of the overly oppressive strength she would have if she had all 20 addons equipped, we have decided to nerf The Pig by removing all her addons.
This is a really funny idea, I'd love to see more like this too. Do we think the tierlist would change dramatically if you got to pick and choose the add-ons and could leave some of the 20 slots empty? (By which I mean, the ordering of killers - obviously none of them would "get worse.") I'm not sure much would aside from the killers at the very bottom. To balance this out, do survivors also get every item add-on for whatever item they choose? Like just imagine a Commodius toolbox with BNP *and* all other add-ons. Or a medkit with like 50 extra charges. I can't think of any down-side add-ons for any items, even syringe you can just choose not to use until last minute.
To be honest, I feel like you *could* move Dracula down to the bottom of Great, just because the extra hellfire charge time gets cancelled out by the Sylph Feather after breaking 5 pallets, leaving you with a -10% cooldown thanks to the Ruby Circlet, as well as Ring of Vlad and sunglasses combining together to make the Hellfire Spell just as long as it normally is WITH the minor tracking of the Ring of Vlad. Not to mention the wolf form would basically be able to pounce every couple seconds as long as you at least stay on the trail of the survivors. And with the Bat Form’s teleportation giving nearby survivors hindered, blocking off the teleported to window, and being faster and longer range; Dracula truly becomes a monster of the night.
I want this to be a game mode, badly. Maybe a perkless gamemode with how strong some killers would be. Survivors could join in to although, I think the freedom of picking any item with all the add-ons into a trial would be a bit....busted. So in exchange, just spawn some extra chests into a trial.
11:10 Speed Limiter, my beloved. If I could have an infinite amount of any one add-on it'd be Scratched Mirror but Speed Limiter on The Cannibal is my second pick. I like the use of the chainsaw around pallets and as a movement aid but I don't really care for the instant down aspect of it so the Speed Limiter is my go-to preferred way to play Bubba. I actually would like this mode if only to make other Survivors learn about Killers and their add-ons. So many games I've played on both sides where two or more Survivors had no idea how to play around the basic facts of the Killer let alone their add-ons. 33:39 The Houndmaster being a broken image is pretty funny. 45:27 I've seen people die to the reverse beartrap even without this add-on. And considering that people wouldn't be able to see the boxes until the first gen is done anyways I can see a handful of head pops from this.
Ya was gonna say, did he forget about mural sketch or something? All you need is mural sketch with pills and after 2 frenzy hits you’re already moving significantly faster than normal legion. That with Susie’s allowing you to see killer instinct across the whole map and you have a near unavoidable 5 hit frenzy.
never sleep pills with the iri tape is actually a pretty oppressive combo, since the entire time you're in power all unworked gens are being regressed, whilst the other addons make up for the shortfalls that addon combo usually has
I think your underestimating the speed of the zombies for Nemi. They'd be running around at around Billy chainsaw dash or blight rush speeds so they'd scare people off gens way too much, or you'd need to have someone tank a zombie to blind it. That or they drop so many pallets and as such a lot of pallets would just be off the map.
Otz, I have an idea for potential video - Which Survivor perk works MOST effective again certain Killer? Let's say Calm Spirit against The Doctor, hence the screams. Do you think that it's interesting enough? Much love
Funny thing about the hags addons: with the waterlogged shoe and rusty shackle combo, you’d have a bunch of silent, invisible hags body blocking for you
This is a good idea for a game mode maybe it can be with a randomized killer and survivor with a randomized item that also has every single add on with no perks
Having a DBD mode where killers get all their add ons, and maybe survivors get like 8 perk slots would be pretty freaking gnarly. A mode where both sides can get OP elements
never sleep pills are actualy pretty good. they make you go normal speed, aka 4.6m/s, but your power duration makes your power last 20 second, and with the yellow sketch you gain speed faster. so in my opinion, legion would be pretty good.
What if killers had a perk called, "The Button" and when they use it a nuke just drops onto the trial?
Sounds like a solid B Tier perk.
Behaviour should sell this for $999 as DLC.
Just dead hard it!
quite op, should be a hex perk
They introduce a perk like NOED but instead of a Totem that makes the Survivors Exposed, the Killer just pulls out a shotgun with buckshot. Yes, every Killer can do so, even Chucky.
And yes, when Sadako uses it, it floats like everything else. Got to keep the consistency.
pyramid head remaining basically the same killer is about what I expected
He really needs an addon rework, the last we got was 9 months ago(Mangled book)
@@hoonhur5681 He needs a full reworkm his power is too slow and punishes using it fullstop. I have 1.3k on him and p100, so i know my stuff.
@@jeffprime4495 Maybe not a full rework, his base design is pretty engaging, I think they just need to tweak a lot of things and give him actual add-ons that do their job.
(And they need to let my pointy boy nod he's the only killer in the entire game that can't nod at all. Please BHVR give the lad a neck even if it's only a subtle and tiny nod the fans would eat it up)
@@jeffprime4495 He doesn't need a full rework. He is actually rather strong, just tricky to get used to. Besides, he's very unique as well.
@@jeffprime4495 as do I, but I don’t believe the same. He just needs an addon rework
20:07 "With the egg we gain one egg" hmm, seems about right I guess
egg
That egg was worth 20 eggs???
🥚
"With the feather, we lose one egg." Yup, understandable.
"You will give me an egg!"
20:45 "having baby shoes AND severed hands at once is amazing!"
I never thought I'd ever hear this
Baby Shoes for sale, never worn
I think you underrated nemesis a LOT.
All zombie speed addons would make them 2.1 m/s, with them going to 3.6 m/s with stars badge active which is GAMEBREAKING. If one of them locks onto a survivor, the survivor is essentially creating only 0.4 m/s of distance from the zombie, which remember have a huge detection radius of 20m, meaning survivors could theoretically need to run in a straight line for up to 50s (!!!) to create enough distance to shrug off 1 (one) zombie. Sure they could be using pallets, flashlights and windows to delay them, but the amount of time and resources survivors would need to dedicate to keep BOTH zombies under control whenever a gen is done is CRAZY. Pair it with monitor and abuse, tinkerer and/or discordance and survivors literally cannot play.
If that's not enought for you, there's only 3 vaccines on the match that take 9 extra seconds to apply that reveal and get you exposed, against a killer that can at any moment go undetectable and ramps up to level 3 ridiculously fast.
In summary, the only weakness of nemesis - map control - would be completely solved and made into a literal hell for survivors by the hands of greg and susan.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
Yeah honestly that's a very good point, I still think that on average large maps the speedy zombies would still fail to find Survivors often but you make a great point!!
Don't forget the fact that the respawn add-ons make Killing Zombies pretty much a non-option, they HAVE to blind them or get them in a softlock, or dedicate one person to coralling zombies until they're hunted down and now there's 2 zombies heading around where a hook occured
More importantly for anything for Legion: that chase music would be fire using every mixtape at once and thats the important thing. :) haha
It'd either be the greatest mix you'll ever hear or essentially a musical equivalent to TV static
Legion chase music is overrated and annoying
@@saudf5921 It is supposed to represent the "Teenage Angst", which is what makes it appealing. Some people don't like it, they see it as 'cringe', and that's completely fair.
there is a video where someone does that and its 4 minuets but trust me it sounds amazing
Is it really that angsty? Just seems like regular rock music @@jackk.4670
Then Trapper would finally be viable.
B- tier
@@coldspice5873 xD
Let’s not be crazy now….
@coldspice5873 better than he's been for the entire games lifetime
@ real
YESSSS one hour of you rambling about the repercussions of add-on combos that literally cannot exist in the game and will never affect me in any match, ever. HOW is this so exciting I don't KNOW, but it IS, bless your chat.
Best one was Pig, or "Lore Accurate Saw game"
Seriously mad we never gonna experience Saw movie in DBD 😢
16:10 Nurse would be in a much worse position: the Matchbox on nurse does not reduce the blinks BY one, but TO one. That means that she would only have one blink
Wait really?? 😭
@@notOtzdarva yup
@@notOtzdarva Yh on the matchbox addon it says it sets the maximum number of blink charges to 1 instead of saying it removes 1 blink charge.
Nurse's blinks make me motion sick so in order to play her I use this add on along with machine learning, batteries included, play with ur food, and fire up or tinkerer. I've made it my goal to see if no blink nurse can b made into a decent play style
You’re insane, but that’s a weird amount of genius. After all, who is going to loop against a nurse? Then the survivor runs out into no mans land and gets stabbed.
39:05 "Almost everything gets really, really nice. Your ball would be bigger"
And would make them exhausted 😭
@@FogoVik💀
I love how so many killers would be much better without their rarest add-ons
My first and only thought was if doctor shocks you, you would be getting so many different things effecting you lmao. I need this as a game mode now
Maybe, but you're already getting that from Iri King alone.
Getting Madness irl
Next, I want a Killer Tier List, except Nemesis has a rocket launcher
Lore accurate tierlist
@CrabbChips that sounds like fun
@CrabbChips Lore accurate Wesker would just be him running around the entire map and three seconds, shooting people, and having the ability to dodge pallets stuns lol.
@@revenge3265 id take my chances with him over a lore accurate nemesis
who would be the strongest killer if ALL of them were lore accurate?
Pig finally A-Tier!
An active trap with four boxes left to search leaves you with around 60 seconds to traverse, that might be actually not enough time. One missed skill check that puts you in mend and it's definitely over.
A full on death sentence
Sounds pretty lore accurate tbh
I was gonna say i wouldn't be surprised if atleast one headpop happens
Make a double game mode, with 4 addons and 8 perks.
And watch the chaos
That would be incredibly survivor sided to the point it isn’t fun
and 10 gens and 6 hooks per survivor
@ They balanced 2v8 well enough, weren’t perfect but they did it. I think they can do the same with this
@ lol maybe,
@ Doubling gens would barely do anything, but extend the game by 25%. Doubling hooks would make it impossible to play.
Edit: Taking it back since slugging would be incredibly viable and make great use of the extra gen time.
This makes me really curious what a potential "best possible add-on build" would look like in a tier list. Like what if you COULD pick-and-choose? Which killers would be the best, which ones would still suck?
That's his next video don't worry ❤
BHVR team: " We have watched hypothetical tierlist and decided to nerf Pig"
They saw that all 20 Add-ons on her would be to strong so they nerfed her crouch back to release Pig.
Only the real Otz could have 20 add-ons equipped
Me 1/4 vodka bottle in: I'm not that drunk...
Me 3/4 vodka bottle in:
You know its getting bad out here when even Otz is getting into What-If's
Having 560 seconds (nine minutes and 20 seconds) of power with The Plague without any survivor cleansing in the whole mach it's crazy.
What’s funny is that you can pretty much do the same with just the iri and the purple amulet rn in game
@lolohnah With that it's six minutes, but yeah, it's insane.
Really fun video 😊 it's made me think about how Iris work though. I love the ones that have cool synergy and can almost 'enable' the other. I think it's a shame when add-ons can't be used together, especially the Iris. But then it would also be a shame to lose some unique add-ons if that were the case, like Hag's Iris.
Happy new year soon! My partner and I have enjoyed watching lots of your tier lists this year ❤
Love your videos m8
You probably won't believe me, but I was the one who asked that is your chat Otz. I'm equally as intersted in this topic and am very glad you made this video! ❤
Thanks for the question David!
Bro… I asked this in chat. Idk why you trying to get clout 😂
Idk who to believe @Joel-rp3eg
@@Sunkem1Not6Hacks great minds think alike.
@@Sunkem1Not6Hacks Yh that’s fair. Idrc about getting credit, just didn’t want somebody lying to y’all
"Killers have 20 add-on slots now which means that finally, FINALLY, Pyramid Head mains can add some variety to their build:
They can add in a third add-on and leave the other 17 slots blank."
Honestly, PH would actually be quite nuts if he can use all addons at once. He basically gains permanent info while survivors lose most of their info.
ONE thing I didn't mention is that his trails would last a lot longer on the ground but that's still so mild.
@@notOtzdarva If Torment had more severe *immediate* consequences, maybe duration might be remotely worth considering. But most of Torment's benefits come from downing a Survivor with it, and having your trails last for another 3-5 business days doesn't exactly help with that.
@@perfectharbinger1398 Torment is fine as is, the trails are generally fine as is too. Because if they last significantly longer, survivors are forced to crouch everywhere. If torment did more than it does now, survivors would be punished for not crouching.
The main issue with the trail is that addons affecting survivors surrounding the trail are always going to be terrible, because you cant buff the trail too much. But you can rework them all to benefit PH. Like, give him 5% haste when walking on the trail. Give him aura reading within 5 meters or smth (not more because then he can camp cages without issue). Stuff like that.
@@notOtzdarva nurse would be worse then all killers except myer's. you get 1 blink at 4.4 with half distance, half blink lunge while having a power that makes 4.4 m/s for 60 SECONDS. i'd put nurse at the bottom.
I love hypothetical videos like this, it feels like such a thought experiment thinking about the possibilities
I've been asking the community their thoughts on this for so long so glad you made a video on it
Wraith would be very good imo. His aura still being a thing could actually be useful or negated by aura perks or undetectable perks.
Incredibly fast, best info, uncloaks after breaking a pallet in a nanosecond and completely silent. Would be very hard to go up against.
I thought the same thing when I saw the title. Wraith has no negative or wasteful addons. Wraith would suddenly be an S+ tier killer.
Definitely. The terror radius is barely an issue since what do survivors do? Wraith vaults windows faster than survivors and can’t even use pallets if they don’t make a mistake. Pre-drop is an instant break, greed will be a bodyblock, and don’t even try to stun them…
@ not to forget that breaking pallets will decloak you, so you are instantly able to swing
@ plus, beast and serpent with dissolution is an actually fun build that catches survivors off guard. Imagine that, but with insane movement and info built in
Skull Merchant: "A mediocre stealth M1 killer with almost nothing else going for them."
Yeah but what about AFTER you include the 20 add-ons? 🙃
Still a mediocre stalth M1 killer with almost nothing else going for them
Game mode idea: Killers get 4 Add ons and survivors get two items they can switch between.
Now survivors can gen rush AND annoy me with flashlights, at the same time!
Technically they can get 3 items,if we count killer power ones
Give the Survivors a 5th perk instead honestly. Having 4 add-ons as killer would essentially be an extra perk.
so everyone would just run what they normaly do AND a flashlight.. great
We got hypothetical DBD Tierlists before GTA 6
Shut up bot
😭😭
maybe we'll get a funny variation of this joke before gta 6
There’s optimism then there’s stupidity.
My man had a shower thought and made a dead ass serious 1h video about it lmao
I think a mild version of this concept would be a really cool experimental game mode with killers getting 3 or maybe 4 add-on slots and survivors get an extra perk slot or two or could bring 2 different items
Trapper places a trap, you come across it Your options:
1. Disarm it (takes forever and be injured)
2. Walk into it while healthy (padded jaws will proc and you'll be fine but could risk geing caught
3. Walk into it while injured (you're fucked)
4. Walk around it / vault over it
I love how wraith has all this amazing combos and is still just "screwed but okay"
10:10 for legion mural sketch + never sleep pills are very good together maybe one of the best addon combo for legion
EXACTLY Having pills, the extra speed add on, and the extra duration add on all at once would guarantee 5 hits on most cases
God forbid ur on a small map and while ur constantly getting these 5 hits ur destroying all the pallets and gens are regressing AND the remaining survivors would have a 16 second mend. Overall legion is vastly underrated here
Otz didn't realize but hag has an add-on that makes phantasm traps not spawn the illusionary hag when triggered, which directly counteracts the bodyblock add-on, so all that's left is just a faster killer that slows you when you go in certain places...
The thing about Myers too, is that he'd have the speed debuff from the Tombstone as well on top of being locked at T1, which moves slower than normal already.
And the thing with Doctor is, the main effect of the addons stack (I use double shock delay a lot) so he'd get -0.45 seconds on his shock therapy, which is insane. On top of the fact that Calm would make him completely undetectable by reducing his terror radius to nothing while Static Blast was on cooldown, and then making it basically map wide when it IS ready, which is on a much shorter cooldown due to the Order notes, and because it raises their Madness level by 1, they'd have their auras revealed for six seconds due to the Restraint notes.
Paragraph andy but tldr Doctor would be broken.
The triumphant return of Burger King Myers
No he wouldn't have the speed debuff from iri tombstone because that speed nerf only takes effect when he's in t3
a video? at this time of year? localized within my recommendations? yes please.
I’ve always wanted each killer to have an add-on that completely changes their power/moveset. Hell. It could be a way for the devs to test new reworks.
Spectacular addon website 💕
I think Otzdarva might be sleeping on 20 add-on Legion here. If you give Legion Julie's Mixtape and the Iridescent Button, then run Spirit Fury/Enduring and Hubris, you force survivors into a no-win scenario where healing does nothing and you cannot stop the Legion except by bodyblocking.
Ordinarily, the downside to this is you're locked into a hyper-specific build and can't gain any of the benefits of the other Legion add-ons. BUT in 20 add-on mode, you get all the extra stuff Otz talks about! If you take the survivors to The Game, you become a pallet mulching machine, rapidly turning the entire map into a giant dead zone, and destroying survivors as they panic because they've run out of pallets _on The Game._
Interesting to do a sort of "Ultimate Killer" event thing, where killers get the effects of all addons at once and can only use their own perks
otz discussing alternate universes where bhvr isnt s### and tierlisting them
I love how Ghostface doesn't have any contradicting add-ons, he just gets better with every addon
otz discussing alternate universes where bhvr isnt s**t and tierlisting them
If you had an option to disable 1 or 2 addons from being used this list would look so different, that's so interesting
i could get behind this style of tier list... great video otz :)
Been thinking about a similar custom gamemode for quite some time, this topic reminds me of it. The Gamemode would go something like this: Normal 1-Killer vs 4-Survivor setup with 5 Gens and the Door to open. However both Killer and Suvivor can have up to 8 Perks in their kit and 4 Addons on their items or power. There is a Catch however: A point system exists with a maximum of 100 Points. This Point system is for balance reason. If your points go into the negative your Character will be hit with debuffs like reduced action-speed or movespeed, increasing the higher your negative points are (-100 Points is the max it can reach, below that number you aren’t able to join a lobby). Equipping Perks and/or Items with Addons decreases the amount of points depending on their rarity while leaving slots empty doesn’t decrease the points. At or above 0 Point your character will have small buffs like increase action-speed or moves. For examle: A Trapper equips 6 Perks (-15 Points per perk) and the addons: Honing Stone , Trapperbag (-10 points per Very rare Addon) and Iridescent Stone (-20 points cause Ultra rare addon). He would have a point score of -30 and would be affected with 3 Debuffs (1 Debuff per -10 points) to balance this that trapper has to pick a choice of 3 debuffs. He chooses 3 times -10% Trap setting speed and now he can search for a lobby.
Charcoal stick once again spoiling everyone's (my) fun
Thank you for this! This was really fun. But also, super informative. I havent gotten into the weeds on the addons for a number of the Killers and this has helped inform me about some cool addons that I I believe will help me find certain killers more enjoyable to play.
I feel like addons should be infinite, like a way to prestige them.
Then whats stopping tombstones myers in every game
Maybe being P100 with a character should unlock that for their bloodweb, so you never have to spend points on them again afterwards.
using the addon and getting a 4k an amount of times, getting adepts with it, using only it in 4ks, and in exchange it should be infinite and erase it from the blood web. A fully prestiged killer should only have BP and map offerings and event ones. At max level you should be able to increase the BP cap by some amount and get two BP offering slots.
That sounds like a great way to kill variety and go against a killers 2 strongest add-ons every single match.
@@CounterGoose53Variety of add-ons is pretty much what people choose to bring anyway.If killer is going for a win,he probably Will bring 2 strongest add-ons,as it's not always a case that strong add-on has to be rare
What a fun, and perfect idea. Thank you for the hour of entertainment! Love you otz
Super fun video idea, I’d love to see another one where killers have access to all their addons but can choose to exclude certain ones to see how it changes the tier list!
Counter argument for legion… The chase music would be very interesting
Honestly, the far more interesting (and less unrealistic) question would be: Which killers would profit the most from having a third addon slot? I am not asking who would be the strongest killer, it would obviously still be someone like nurse or blight. But who would simply elevate themselves the best through one additional addon.
It obviously wouldn't be Freddy or Pyramid Head since their addons generally suck.
I love seeing Pig this high on a tierlist. It may never come to pass but it fills me with joy anyway.
I've been watching for a while lot longer and it really sounds like otz is in a teleshopping commercial "you get this AND you get this AND you get this AND you get this...."
this is the most ovethinking-like Otz's video I have ever seen and I fricking love it
Eating everything at the buffet will always lead you to feeling bloated and uncomfortable
Love this concept, love to see something original in the dbd community, very fun to think about things that weren't inteded, great vid
I appreciate how much effort you put into everything you put into everything you do on DbD. My fiancé and I were talking about a lot of these as soon as we saw the title, and this was really fun to watch. I also love that you are honest with everything you do and don't sugar coat things on behavior's behalf. So thank you for all that you do in the community.
I would say "Otz has officially lost it," but I don't know the last time that Otz had it...
I'm a huge fan of hypothetical questions like this, me and my friends have discussed multiple times how if we all even had 5 perks instead of 4 how crazy different the game would be, and this is right up that alley
This is exactly the content we like to see
Otz,
I love your dedication to the game and how much time and thought you put into these videos.
Keep up the good work because DbD wouldn't be the same without you ❤
I thought of this idea a while ago. Imagine a game mode where both killers and survivors get double add ons and perks
Yay, another hour long video to binge. Though this is short for you otz.
17:24 there is a big mistake he made with nurse: matchbox limits the charges to 1 and this cant be changed with torn bookmark so you just have more movement speed, less blinks, slower charging blinks, less range with blinks, less lunge and 50% of her add ons don’t work with 1 blink anyways, she would be one of the worst killers in the game i think, M1-Killer with no power
Killer should honestly get an additional add on and perk slot
I love this type of video. Just positively reinforcing you so you make one again!!!. The exclamation points means its a command
Because of the overly oppressive strength she would have if she had all 20 addons equipped, we have decided to nerf The Pig by removing all her addons.
This is a really funny idea, I'd love to see more like this too.
Do we think the tierlist would change dramatically if you got to pick and choose the add-ons and could leave some of the 20 slots empty? (By which I mean, the ordering of killers - obviously none of them would "get worse.") I'm not sure much would aside from the killers at the very bottom.
To balance this out, do survivors also get every item add-on for whatever item they choose?
Like just imagine a Commodius toolbox with BNP *and* all other add-ons. Or a medkit with like 50 extra charges. I can't think of any down-side add-ons for any items, even syringe you can just choose not to use until last minute.
To be honest, I feel like you *could* move Dracula down to the bottom of Great, just because the extra hellfire charge time gets cancelled out by the Sylph Feather after breaking 5 pallets, leaving you with a -10% cooldown thanks to the Ruby Circlet, as well as Ring of Vlad and sunglasses combining together to make the Hellfire Spell just as long as it normally is WITH the minor tracking of the Ring of Vlad. Not to mention the wolf form would basically be able to pounce every couple seconds as long as you at least stay on the trail of the survivors. And with the Bat Form’s teleportation giving nearby survivors hindered, blocking off the teleported to window, and being faster and longer range; Dracula truly becomes a monster of the night.
The thing about blight is he also becomes a stealth killer
This is actually really fascinating to think about. It does, however, reinforce that a number of killers need revisions to their add-ons.
bro just wanted to say I've been watching your videos for a little while and I absolutely love them ♥keep it up!
But Otz, what about Selfcare + No mither? 😎
These survivor mains with their meta perks😡🤬😡🤬😡🤬😡🤬😡🤬 nerf
Nah, Resilience + No Mither + Dead Hard goes hard
(Maybe This Is Not Happening if you want easier skill checks)
*Adam's family theme remixed starts to play*
Just got my apt. broken into and robbed, but atleast I still got an hour long otz video to cheer me up. Thanks for the years of content friend❤
Hell yeah otz for an hour talking about hypothetical dbd situations like if it were to happen. Just what I needed before bed
I want this to be a game mode, badly. Maybe a perkless gamemode with how strong some killers would be.
Survivors could join in to although, I think the freedom of picking any item with all the add-ons into a trial would be a bit....busted. So in exchange, just spawn some extra chests into a trial.
11:10 Speed Limiter, my beloved. If I could have an infinite amount of any one add-on it'd be Scratched Mirror but Speed Limiter on The Cannibal is my second pick. I like the use of the chainsaw around pallets and as a movement aid but I don't really care for the instant down aspect of it so the Speed Limiter is my go-to preferred way to play Bubba.
I actually would like this mode if only to make other Survivors learn about Killers and their add-ons. So many games I've played on both sides where two or more Survivors had no idea how to play around the basic facts of the Killer let alone their add-ons.
33:39 The Houndmaster being a broken image is pretty funny.
45:27 I've seen people die to the reverse beartrap even without this add-on. And considering that people wouldn't be able to see the boxes until the first gen is done anyways I can see a handful of head pops from this.
10:20 A suprisingly rare Otz L in my opinion, I thin legion would be an actual demon personally
thats what i thought, i think he would actually be near the top instead.
Ya was gonna say, did he forget about mural sketch or something? All you need is mural sketch with pills and after 2 frenzy hits you’re already moving significantly faster than normal legion. That with Susie’s allowing you to see killer instinct across the whole map and you have a near unavoidable 5 hit frenzy.
I disagree but who knows!!
Completely agree, never sleep pills + mural sketch is already a good addon combo.
never sleep pills with the iri tape is actually a pretty oppressive combo, since the entire time you're in power all unworked gens are being regressed, whilst the other addons make up for the shortfalls that addon combo usually has
As pinhead you wouldn't chain much, you'd be more like a 3 gen killer, and the box will act like a 4th gen.
It’s ironic that a lot of killer’s worst add ons are iridescent
Its beacuse a lot of iridescent add-ons are not supposed to be super strong but change the power in some unique way (or they are just bad)
I feel like impossible skillcheck Doctor with all 20 add-ons would just be constant audio-visual hell until the survivors just give up.
LMAO yes I want this now
I think your underestimating the speed of the zombies for Nemi. They'd be running around at around Billy chainsaw dash or blight rush speeds so they'd scare people off gens way too much, or you'd need to have someone tank a zombie to blind it. That or they drop so many pallets and as such a lot of pallets would just be off the map.
that's if they do gens fast i can imagine 2 going off and they would probably outspeed survivors but they aint Billy speeds
I love videos like this. Can we get a series of "Tier Lists No One Asked For But Everyone Needs To Know Now"?
39:09 - phrases that will be cemented on the Otz grave...
Thank you Otz for the incredible content, it helps me during my nightshift as a security guard (staying up and all of that)
The underestimation on legion is insane! Pills + sketch is one of the steongest legion combos that exist
What if all killers could use all powers
Imagine a speedin Trapper
Otz, I have an idea for potential video - Which Survivor perk works MOST effective again certain Killer? Let's say Calm Spirit against The Doctor, hence the screams. Do you think that it's interesting enough?
Much love
What would really happen is that Pig would get nerfed
Funny thing about the hags addons: with the waterlogged shoe and rusty shackle combo, you’d have a bunch of silent, invisible hags body blocking for you
This is a good idea for a game mode maybe it can be with a randomized killer and survivor with a randomized item that also has every single add on with no perks
Bruh wraith with all add ons just becomes a new killer
This would make for an interesting mode!
Currently watching this while being 4 man slugged by a singularity with knockout and blindness addon
Having a DBD mode where killers get all their add ons, and maybe survivors get like 8 perk slots would be pretty freaking gnarly. A mode where both sides can get OP elements
never sleep pills are actualy pretty good. they make you go normal speed, aka 4.6m/s, but your power duration makes your power last 20 second, and with the yellow sketch you gain speed faster. so in my opinion, legion would be pretty good.