@@chrange9714 Not really, in SA2 he had all his memories, he knew "everything" about him and his past, the only thing he didn't remembered was Maria's true promise, because Gerald manipulated his memories into thinking Maria wanted revenge, and then after finding that out he sacrifices himself, and THEN he comes back fully with amnesia in Heroes and Shadow the Hedgehog, until he uncovers his past at the end of the game and goes back into having all his memories
The more I see Maria the more I can understand why Gerald and Shadow were so angry after Maria was killed. She was just a wholesome and caring little girl who deserved nothing but love and care.
one my fav tropes in media are children who regardless of how wholesome they are they all could an should've been cared for but reality does not give them such a fate Listen to Full Moon Slightly Chipped its peaked this trope
Yeah, no wonder Black Doom was able to exploit the heck out of that subconscious anger. Although it seems that didn't connect that much with players back in the day despite Black Doom having recreated the raid in ShTH05. Granted, I don't blame players either considering The Doom was... well, The Doom.
And she's the only one (besides Gerald) out of all people who loves and cares for him and she sees him for who he is; A hedgehog who has goodness in his heart and cares about her and everyone and that he's not a monster And that's what makes the loss of Maria so devastating and powerful and it totally justifies Shadow's revenge against humanity for taking a loving and caring human child (who sees the goodness in him and very compassionate) taken away from him 😢
incoming "archie wasnt canon" comments; it isnt, and wasnt, but considering no one wanted to keep calling him commander, it just became the sort of pseudo/defacto name until now
Just checked the Japanese dub, Maria still calls him "Abe". Normally, these types of things that Flynn writes as connections to his previous work don't make it over to the Japanese dub. For example many of the IDW and Boom characters mentioned in Frontiers are in english script exclusive dialogs. (EDIT: It turns out that characters like Tangle are mentioned in Frontiers Japanese dub, just Sticks isn't. I guess there is greater synergy between the American Japanese scripts than I thought. Either way, it's still cool and if you had told me 5 years ago that comic characters would become canon in the Sonic Team made games, I would have not believed you. Good stuff. Glad to be wrong.) However here, we have 100% confirmation, that G.U.N. Commander's name is Abraham Tower. Or at least it's "Abe" between both versions. That's kinda cool to see an possible Archie reference become official.
6:14 I’m pretty sure this isn’t a retcon. The alien blood reveal in Shadow The Hedgehog would still be something he didn’t know about due to his amnesia. That said, it’s still fascinating to know that SA2 Shadow was aware of his alien blood the whole time. It makes for this nice moment between him and Maria. It’s also nice to know the Gun Commander’s name is Abe.
I don't think SA2 Shadow would have known/remembered where his origins came from, as Gerald tampered with Shadow's memory at the last stages of Shadow's development with only a revenge driven narrative in his mind/memories in the Prison Island, after Maria was killed. And towards the end of SA2 he only really remembered Maria's promise, rather than his own origins before he fell back to Earth 😔
@@Tatsululu Forgot that part. Could you imagine a scenario where SA2 Shadow survived and (with help from Tails or maybe Eggman) got the rest of his memories back. The Black Arms would’ve been spawn camped if that happened. You could say that Black Doom lucked out when Shadow DID get amnesia.
@@TatsululuRight, but at the same time his goals to avenge Maria and Black Doom's goal to destroy life on Earth kinda match up. So would Gerald need to erase that knowledge? Shadow takes promises pretty seriously. Maybe him learning about Gerald's promise was part of Gerald's manipulation in some way.
@@EvelynWn We know his memories as a whole weren't erased, or else he wouldn't remember anything, and the fact that he did slowly remember things means that he dose infact have those memories, but they're locked behind a wall, covered with false memories/tempered memories. Based on what we're seeing here, and what happened in the events of Shadow 2005, I think it's pretty probable that Gerald altered the memories of the Black arms, simply because by the time he was in prisoned, Shadow and the Ark were programed to shoot the eclipse canon at Earth. If anything I'd say Gerald wanted Shadow to focus on the goal of revenge only, without having anything else change his mind, which if he started to get glimpses of the Black Arms and how he was created, would have made him start questioning who he was, what he was doing, why he was doing it and eventually make him more hesitant. Of course this happened regardless because his memory with Maria started to come back, but this of course is what I think (^^)
@@pugman9672 it would only become a legal issue if it was one of the Archie-exclusive echidnas. But since the Commander is owned by Sega to begin with, I guess there's not that much of a problem by giving him a name from a dead continuity.
@@MaxusFox23 ah well in that case this is still a big deal because from what I understand Sega still avoids using Archie ideas if there is no legal issue
@@pugman9672 Sega actually own a good portion of archie ideas and concepts but i suppose they don't touch out of irreverence for the american side of Sonic and the potential legal trouble
Oh no, I just realized the pattern here: All Ark flashbacks have begun in a aisle and every scene with Maria has been basically a tie-in with chapter 1 of the Shadow manga. That means there's only one important element left to be seen from the past, and given a GUN base is gonna be featured next... Next episode is gonna start with THAT ONE scene now, isn't it? Edit: Well, this aged poorly LMAO
The gun commander form shadow the hedgehog was a nice surprise. Seeing the mech that says the line “you know what they say the more the merrier” was great especially and when Omega called dibs on it was funny.
And to see how long the Commander has been having beef with Shadow, even before Maria’s death. I wonder what Shadow said to him to make him run out of the room upset and call him a freak🤔
@@Reyna_Amaturi I believe It must be his relation to G.U.N, he might be the son of someone from there or smth like that, and he must avoid Shadow just for being an alien
@@Reyna_AmaturiMaybe Shadow didn't say anything at all, that also can upset kids: When you don't seem to react to any stimuli around you. That often makes them think there's something REALLY wrong with you.
I think Shadow had lost that part of his memory about being created from those aliens. He probably knew in SA2, but after getting amnesia prob blocked that part out
Fun fact Ian Flynn gave him the commander the name Abraham Tower in the Archie comics, so now he moved that to the game canon as well! So yup he has a name!
I find it fascinating they're sticking to shadow's more modern, antisocial personage but making it correlated to his past. I'm intrigued by it, I'd like to see where it goes!
Agreed. It makes it make more sense that he’s not that social because he’s a bit ashamed that he was made with Black Doom’s DNA and he despises Black Boom and feels “othered” but as Maria said he will and has found people that he does trust and have some bond with being Rouge and Omega. I also like that Maria is finally getting more characterization as well. We always knew she was a sweet girl but man it Shadow really lost not only his only friend but a beautiful soul.
Usually in voice acting you try to silence the breaths, but when Maria speaks you can explicitly hear her having to breathe in between each sentence because she's struggling to speak She's genuinely exerting so much effort just to talk to shadow omg I'm gonna cry It's such a small detail but it goes such a long way to selling her character
@@hamstersandwich9917 for example Michiko and Hatchin is set in Brazil an sub does not get to do much voice wise but in dub many accents an delivery methods for different characters
Rouge: "I can take you to a ship. But in return you're going to have to promise to come to Sonic's birthday party." Shadow: "Uuugghh!" I laughed so hard.
1:22 in shadow the hedgehog 2005 we didn’t know his name however in the Archie comics he was given the name of Abraham which means they decided to pull from fricking Archie for this which I think is pretty cool!
With "they" you properly mean Ian Flynn as he was both the person to give him that name for Archie and write this promo. And it would hardly be the first time that Ian let one of the things he made for the comics slip into canon when he has the chance.
Sam, remember that he lost his memory, so he didn't remember that he knew he was created thanks to the Black Arms. So I guess when he found out, he was surprised by it.
Really glad they went with a different filter with Roger as Omega. I didn't dislike the previous voice in Tailstube but I always thought it could have been better, and this is it.
@@manuelinacio4038 He was also credited in the first episode despite Omega not being there at all. He's not him he's probably voicing Sonic in the last episode or something
I like how when Ian writes Omega, he's able to strike the balance of Omega being an efficient logic-driven war machine and a big sassy metal kid that likes making things go boom. Before most writers either make him too robotic and serious, or so goofy that he has no function other than to make jokes.
I'd love a new full-fledged 2-D animated Sonic show, but I think the reason why we haven't gotten a full show with traditional animation for so long is because, from what I understand, 2-D traditional animation tends to take a lot more production time compared to CG. Maybe we'll get one someday since Sega is aware that we like the mini-series that they've been making. However, CG is generally quicker to produce, especially when you take a TV show's budget and deadlines into account. That's why CG is used more often nowadays compared to traditional animation.
this animation is already CG the shot with the mini-gun in rolling on the ground is for sure not 2D since that's pointlessly gonna make the team wanna die an they may even fuk up the frames
Gun commanders name is Abraham Tower. He is named in the Archie sonic comics. Fun fact Ian Flynn gave him the name in a fanfiction and made it canon in the comics and now it's in the games. The name made a full circle.
Loved this episode, once again animation and looks are beautiful, voice acting is great and the characters interactions are so good. Super happy we got more time with Maria. Seeing the Gun commander as a kid again and a returning boss from Shadow the hedgehog game, super cool. Do wish the episode was a bit longer and didn’t have an abrupt end, nevertheless still fantastic. 🖤❤️
THAT KID IS THE GUN BOSS?! I'd seen him before in a fan comic dub only days ago and knew his name was Abe - I at first thought it was young Eggman - but surely if anything he's just the GUN boss' son, right? Also I watched the episode this morning. Another banger. You're right about "the Way" memes too lol I didn't think about that. X'D
Omega calling dibs was just freaking amazing lol. Also a cool little detail I noticed was that the "present day" stuff takes place before Generations. The game before Gens was Colors where Eggman had these kinds of Egg Pawns as his main troops. So seeing them here guarding a base of his, specifically the samurai ones from Aquarium Park, is really cool and makes a lot of sense. Really cool as well to see that giant Egg Breaker mech boss from Shadow 05 make an appearance here. It's not being piloted by Eggman though, looks like he modified it to work autonomously.
7:04 I think this makes the scene in SA2 where Shadow gets pissed when Sonic calls him a "Fake Hedgehog" have more impact because in Shadow's head he was being reminded that he's not different from the Black Arms and Maria telling him that it's not true is probably the only thing that convinces him he's a living being with feelings Yeah I know I'm probably looking too much into it and that wasn't on Sonic Team's mind when making SA2 but I really like this headcannon
When the Egg Breaker showed up, bro the memories started flooding: "YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY, THE MORE THE MERRIER!YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY, THE MORE THE MERRIER!YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY, THE MORE THE MERRIER!YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY, THE MORE THE MERRIER!"
(Generally speaking) Shadow has been widely misunderstood since both SA2, Heroes, and Sh05. Adding up to decades (just like with Mewtwo). One, Shadow didn't just have amnesia after SA2, he's had it since awakening in SA2. Secondly, jumping to his own game, even by the end of S05 he literally never recovered his full memories. Ever. People just assumed he did. So... Shadow from 50yrs ago knowing he was created alien DNA is clever writing because he of course didn't have amensia back then, unlike in SA2-S05.
Huh, so I guess Roger did voice Omega here. I wonder if they weren't able to get Aaron LaPlante back at all or if he was only avaliable to record for SxSG. If not, then that means Roger is gonna be voicing 3 characters in SxSG, if the "Sonic's VA voices his metal counterpart too" tradition remains intact? Maybe that's why they modified Metal's voice filter that heavily?
More amazing attention to detail in this episode: they just canonically explained why shadows quills curl the way they do. They mimic the shape of the black arms larva. INSANE.
“Shadow THE HEDGEHOG Dark Beginnings”?? I wish lol Also the GUN commander didn’t have a name in Shadow but in the Archie comics he’s named Abraham Tower so I guess they’re sticking with that now, pretty cool if you ask me
My girl Rouge is lookin so good and sounding so clean. Easily my favourite character in Sonic (together with Silver). God I hope she is in the movie or plays a bigger role in upcoming Sonic media. But this animation is so good and also does her character justice. Especially her having the final line, as well as how it is delivered. Oh I am so excited.
Just realised, Black Arms are a hive mind and a biomass. Meaning if that ONE larvae didn't get blown up with the Black Comet... it's going to regenerate into a full sized Black Doom. I think I cracked it fellas.
Then that type of story could happen on its own without Gens. The fact that Shadow Gens is tying in with Sonic Gens almost completely debunks your theory, since they're seemingly using time traveling effects to bring back Black Doom instead.
Actually, the commander's name is Abraham Towers! That's something, if I'm not mistaken, from the Archie comics. Also, I fkn love Omega so fkn much. He's hilarious
Didn’t expect to see another Flashback to Shadow and Maria with Abe that’s the Current GUN Commander that was like a Brother to Maria and despite Shadow After her Passing but it’s unclear if they both let go of the Past and if the Commander will be in Sonic X Shadow, he’ll I love how Rouge and Onega are Protrayed that it will seem that this Prologue will end with Shadow going to the Ark, plus Shadow is more than a Alien Weapon and Maria Knows This, 10 out of 10, Sega are Cooking with these Animations.
This episode was very interesting with the appearance of the commander for GUN as a child here and seeing one of the Black Arms creatures in their disposal. To be honest, I thought Shadow contacted Rouge and Omega for assistance but what she said makes complete sense. Plus, I like the little callback/foreshadow of Sonic Generations when she invited him for Sonic’s birthday party. I concur, how is it that all this happen in a span of a few minutes of footage? Very impressive. 2 down, 1 to go.
Little detail I like is that since this takes place after Colors the robots are based off the ones that were seen in colors. Eggman has no appearance cuz he's in space with the time eater. Continuity is truly outstanding.
I know a lot of people were upset when it was announced that the Sonic movies would be done in live action and not animation but obviously the live action Sonic movies have been able to be successful despite not being done in animation but hey SEGA if you ever make a animated movie for streaming services they should absolutely do it in the style of these shorts
1:12 In Archie, he’s called Abraham Tower. Idk if that also holds true in Chronicles. So I think the nickname implies his name is Abraham Tower like in Archie. If that’s the case, I’m so happy to see that get adapted to the main series in a more permanent form. (Again, Idk if it was in Chronicles)
Shadow had amnesia so many times, trying to figure out when he knew or didn't know something is a mysterious itself. And if your throwing shadow clones on top of it RIP
I felt the same way as you, I blinked and it was over! Really loved this episode. Only weird thing was Shadow being cruel about the Black Arm creature... Loved the Team Dark interaction especially.
0:52 *Clacks tongue* Do you know the way? My brother, I only ask because you mentioned it, my brother. *Clacks tongue again* /silly I’ll be honest, that didn’t come to my mind until you mentioned it, lol.
I agree with the sentiment about wanting new sonic TV shows like this but this is actually 3d animation, not 2d. It can be hard to tell at times, but if you really look at the characters, you can see that they're cel shaded 3d models. REALLY good ones
The scene with Shadow and the Black Arms larva is shown in the new Shadow manga from the first chapter they released, as well as the scene with him and Maria looking at the Earth in episode 1 makes me think that this manga is going to be confirmed canon to Sonic X Shadow Generations since its a manga for this game but hasn't been said how tied in it will be for the game🦔🖤❤️
My initial prediction was Shadow was on a mission for GUN on the Ark and got a call from Rogue to encourage him to mingle with others on Sonic’s birthday.
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The reason Shadow didn't know in Shadow the Hedgehog he was created from Alien DNA was because he had amnesia I think Sam.
He got amnesia after SA2
@@chrange9714 no Gerald screwed his memories thats why he thought Maria wanted Revenge.
@@HksjJkdkd Whatever the case, I'm just saying after SA2 he did have amnesia
@HksjJkdkd Both are correct. Gerald altered his memories for SA2, then the amnesia afterward, which carries on to Sonic Heroes and then Shadow.
@@chrange9714 Not really, in SA2 he had all his memories, he knew "everything" about him and his past, the only thing he didn't remembered was Maria's true promise, because Gerald manipulated his memories into thinking Maria wanted revenge, and then after finding that out he sacrifices himself, and THEN he comes back fully with amnesia in Heroes and Shadow the Hedgehog, until he uncovers his past at the end of the game and goes back into having all his memories
The more I see Maria the more I can understand why Gerald and Shadow were so angry after Maria was killed. She was just a wholesome and caring little girl who deserved nothing but love and care.
In one of Eggman’s Egg Memos, he mentioned that everyone in his family spoke of Maria as someone very special. Now I can truly see why.
one my fav tropes in media are children who regardless of how wholesome they are they all could an should've been cared for but reality does not give them such a fate
Listen to Full Moon Slightly Chipped its peaked this trope
Maria loved the view of Earth. Had her condition been cured, she could've had a life enjoying the beauty of what Earth had to offer for her.
Yeah, no wonder Black Doom was able to exploit the heck out of that subconscious anger.
Although it seems that didn't connect that much with players back in the day despite Black Doom having recreated the raid in ShTH05. Granted, I don't blame players either considering The Doom was... well, The Doom.
And she's the only one (besides Gerald) out of all people who loves and cares for him and she sees him for who he is; A hedgehog who has goodness in his heart and cares about her and everyone and that he's not a monster
And that's what makes the loss of Maria so devastating and powerful and it totally justifies Shadow's revenge against humanity for taking a loving and caring human child (who sees the goodness in him and very compassionate) taken away from him 😢
Obviously the best part is when Omega said I call dibs.
I burst into laughing so much I had to pause the video to let it sink in (I watched the episode before watching this video)
I know, right? I was NOT ready for THAT line!
I love that line so much
For real omega is so fucking hilarious 🤣🤣
@@GalaxyWispme neither I was not expecting that line from omega🤣
In one of the Archie comics written by Ian Flynn his name was Abraham
incoming "archie wasnt canon" comments; it isnt, and wasnt, but considering no one wanted to keep calling him commander, it just became the sort of pseudo/defacto name until now
Abraham Towers yeah, glad they brought that over and he now actually has a name
So, Archie Sonic has kind of become the Star Wars Legends of the Sonic series
Just checked the Japanese dub, Maria still calls him "Abe". Normally, these types of things that Flynn writes as connections to his previous work don't make it over to the Japanese dub. For example many of the IDW and Boom characters mentioned in Frontiers are in english script exclusive dialogs. (EDIT: It turns out that characters like Tangle are mentioned in Frontiers Japanese dub, just Sticks isn't. I guess there is greater synergy between the American Japanese scripts than I thought. Either way, it's still cool and if you had told me 5 years ago that comic characters would become canon in the Sonic Team made games, I would have not believed you. Good stuff. Glad to be wrong.)
However here, we have 100% confirmation, that G.U.N. Commander's name is Abraham Tower. Or at least it's "Abe" between both versions. That's kinda cool to see an possible Archie reference become official.
@@heyitsgabe1093Good comparison.
6:14 I’m pretty sure this isn’t a retcon. The alien blood reveal in Shadow The Hedgehog would still be something he didn’t know about due to his amnesia. That said, it’s still fascinating to know that SA2 Shadow was aware of his alien blood the whole time. It makes for this nice moment between him and Maria. It’s also nice to know the Gun Commander’s name is Abe.
I don't think SA2 Shadow would have known/remembered where his origins came from, as Gerald tampered with Shadow's memory at the last stages of Shadow's development with only a revenge driven narrative in his mind/memories in the Prison Island, after Maria was killed.
And towards the end of SA2 he only really remembered Maria's promise, rather than his own origins before he fell back to Earth 😔
@@Tatsululu Forgot that part. Could you imagine a scenario where SA2 Shadow survived and (with help from Tails or maybe Eggman) got the rest of his memories back. The Black Arms would’ve been spawn camped if that happened. You could say that Black Doom lucked out when Shadow DID get amnesia.
@@TatsululuRight, but at the same time his goals to avenge Maria and Black Doom's goal to destroy life on Earth kinda match up. So would Gerald need to erase that knowledge? Shadow takes promises pretty seriously. Maybe him learning about Gerald's promise was part of Gerald's manipulation in some way.
@@BlueBands539Black Doom: “ God dang it they’re camping!”
@@EvelynWn We know his memories as a whole weren't erased, or else he wouldn't remember anything, and the fact that he did slowly remember things means that he dose infact have those memories, but they're locked behind a wall, covered with false memories/tempered memories.
Based on what we're seeing here, and what happened in the events of Shadow 2005, I think it's pretty probable that Gerald altered the memories of the Black arms, simply because by the time he was in prisoned, Shadow and the Ark were programed to shoot the eclipse canon at Earth. If anything I'd say Gerald wanted Shadow to focus on the goal of revenge only, without having anything else change his mind, which if he started to get glimpses of the Black Arms and how he was created, would have made him start questioning who he was, what he was doing, why he was doing it and eventually make him more hesitant.
Of course this happened regardless because his memory with Maria started to come back, but this of course is what I think (^^)
The GUN Commander was named Abraham in the Archie comics. Interesting that they've now made that canon (likely because Ian Flynn wrote this)
I’m not surprised he wrote that in I’m more surprised that sega allowed it. It must not be a legal issue
@@pugman9672 it would only become a legal issue if it was one of the Archie-exclusive echidnas. But since the Commander is owned by Sega to begin with, I guess there's not that much of a problem by giving him a name from a dead continuity.
@@MaxusFox23 ah well in that case this is still a big deal because from what I understand Sega still avoids using Archie ideas if there is no legal issue
Ah ok I'm surprised Sega allowed that
@@pugman9672 Sega actually own a good portion of archie ideas and concepts but i suppose they don't touch out of irreverence for the american side of Sonic and the potential legal trouble
Oh no, I just realized the pattern here: All Ark flashbacks have begun in a aisle and every scene with Maria has been basically a tie-in with chapter 1 of the Shadow manga. That means there's only one important element left to be seen from the past, and given a GUN base is gonna be featured next...
Next episode is gonna start with THAT ONE scene now, isn't it?
Edit: Well, this aged poorly LMAO
Yeahhh the GUN raid and Maria getting shot this last flashback is gonna freaking hit me 😬😣
The gun commander form shadow the hedgehog was a nice surprise. Seeing the mech that says the line “you know what they say the more the merrier” was great especially and when Omega called dibs on it was funny.
And to see how long the Commander has been having beef with Shadow, even before Maria’s death. I wonder what Shadow said to him to make him run out of the room upset and call him a freak🤔
@@Reyna_Amaturi I believe It must be his relation to G.U.N, he might be the son of someone from there or smth like that, and he must avoid Shadow just for being an alien
@@Reyna_AmaturiMaybe Shadow didn't say anything at all, that also can upset kids: When you don't seem to react to any stimuli around you.
That often makes them think there's something REALLY wrong with you.
It makes sense to use Colors enemies since that happens right before Generations
It was so short but still enough to get me excited!!😭
I think Shadow had lost that part of his memory about being created from those aliens. He probably knew in SA2, but after getting amnesia prob blocked that part out
Professor Gerald also tampered with his memory so it would only be focused on getting revenge.
4:15 Shadow secretly used chaos control on you
I am happy to see Rouge and Omega return. I always love Team Dark and I always love seeing Shadow have friends, because he deserves them.
Exactly same here shadow deserves to have friends
@@Starrmonster02 Glad we agree.
Fun fact Ian Flynn gave him the commander the name Abraham Tower in the Archie comics, so now he moved that to the game canon as well! So yup he has a name!
I find it fascinating they're sticking to shadow's more modern, antisocial personage but making it correlated to his past. I'm intrigued by it, I'd like to see where it goes!
Agreed. It makes it make more sense that he’s not that social because he’s a bit ashamed that he was made with Black Doom’s DNA and he despises Black Boom and feels “othered” but as Maria said he will and has found people that he does trust and have some bond with being Rouge and Omega. I also like that Maria is finally getting more characterization as well. We always knew she was a sweet girl but man it Shadow really lost not only his only friend but a beautiful soul.
GUN commander had that name in Archie
Letting Ian Flynn write for the Sonic games is the greatest decision Sega has ever made
💯 I agree
Damn straight!
Definitely the best decision in recent memory
@@TOHOREMIX
Second scene in Sonic X Shadow Generations Dark Beginnings 🎬
@@sheriefwoodard8686 damn right
Usually in voice acting you try to silence the breaths, but when Maria speaks you can explicitly hear her having to breathe in between each sentence because she's struggling to speak
She's genuinely exerting so much effort just to talk to shadow omg I'm gonna cry
It's such a small detail but it goes such a long way to selling her character
reasons I love English dubs is this
often dubs put details into a performance which the sub VA did not get directed to do :3
@@senritsujumpsuit6021really? I figured sub VAs get more direction since it's original way it was produced
@@hamstersandwich9917 for example Michiko and Hatchin is set in Brazil an sub does not get to do much voice wise but in dub many accents an delivery methods for different characters
I loved Omega here. He got his personality back.
You can thank Roger for that
@@millerkarageanes1562 and Ian Flynn
@@hamstersandwich9917 exactly he knows how these characters should act
Yes Abe is short for Abraham, which was his name in Archie; Abraham Tower
Rouge: "I can take you to a ship. But in return you're going to have to promise to come to Sonic's birthday party."
Shadow: "Uuugghh!"
I laughed so hard.
I know same shadow is like do I have too😒🙄
This sums up at minimum half the jokes from fandom they should really get know material
Rouge: “I will take that as a yes”
1:22 in shadow the hedgehog 2005 we didn’t know his name however in the Archie comics he was given the name of Abraham which means they decided to pull from fricking Archie for this which I think is pretty cool!
With "they" you properly mean Ian Flynn as he was both the person to give him that name for Archie and write this promo.
And it would hardly be the first time that Ian let one of the things he made for the comics slip into canon when he has the chance.
"Fricking"
@@rynobehnke8289 OK mr autism
@@rynobehnke8289something in Frontiers, I assume?
@@JeremyBelpoisX
Yes.
My imminent example would be him reusing the name "Eggnet" for Eggmans computer network
Sam, remember that he lost his memory, so he didn't remember that he knew he was created thanks to the Black Arms. So I guess when he found out, he was surprised by it.
In the Archie comics, the Gun Commander was called Abraham Tower. Seems like theyve brought that name over
My jaw actually dropped when i seen the gun commander i dident think they would bring him back
Really glad they went with a different filter with Roger as Omega. I didn't dislike the previous voice in Tailstube but I always thought it could have been better, and this is it.
That's not Roger I'm pretty sure lol, it sounds just like whoever voiced Omega in Forces who was great
@@chrange9714 The credits says Roger Craig Smith. It's Roger
@@manuelinacio4038no way 😂 🔥
@@manuelinacio4038 He was also credited in the first episode despite Omega not being there at all. He's not him he's probably voicing Sonic in the last episode or something
@chrange9714 Then who in the 4 voice actors is voicing Omega. Probably the one who voiced him before in previous Sonic media.
It's 10 in the *morning!* What are you doing, Sega?
I like how when Ian writes Omega, he's able to strike the balance of Omega being an efficient logic-driven war machine and a big sassy metal kid that likes making things go boom. Before most writers either make him too robotic and serious, or so goofy that he has no function other than to make jokes.
Plus it’s now Roger doing omega’s voice who gives omega a more humorous side
In Shadow 05 he didn't remember being made with Black Arms DNA because he had amnesia
In shadow 05 he still had amnesia that’s why he is shocked about learning that’s black doom exist in that game
The GUN Commander's name (at least in the Archie comics) is Commander Abraham Tower. I love that Ian Flynn is bringing that into the game canon.
I'd love a new full-fledged 2-D animated Sonic show, but I think the reason why we haven't gotten a full show with traditional animation for so long is because, from what I understand, 2-D traditional animation tends to take a lot more production time compared to CG. Maybe we'll get one someday since Sega is aware that we like the mini-series that they've been making.
However, CG is generally quicker to produce, especially when you take a TV show's budget and deadlines into account. That's why CG is used more often nowadays compared to traditional animation.
this animation is already CG the shot with the mini-gun in rolling on the ground is for sure not 2D since that's pointlessly gonna make the team wanna die an they may even fuk up the frames
Gun commanders name is Abraham Tower. He is named in the Archie sonic comics. Fun fact Ian Flynn gave him the name in a fanfiction and made it canon in the comics and now it's in the games. The name made a full circle.
Loved this episode, once again animation and looks are beautiful, voice acting is great and the characters interactions are so good. Super happy we got more time with Maria. Seeing the Gun commander as a kid again and a returning boss from Shadow the hedgehog game, super cool. Do wish the episode was a bit longer and didn’t have an abrupt end, nevertheless still fantastic. 🖤❤️
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"I CALL DIBS."
"You call dibs!?"
4:07 same reaction
THAT KID IS THE GUN BOSS?! I'd seen him before in a fan comic dub only days ago and knew his name was Abe - I at first thought it was young Eggman - but surely if anything he's just the GUN boss' son, right?
Also I watched the episode this morning. Another banger. You're right about "the Way" memes too lol I didn't think about that. X'D
*The voice acting is really too good, and the animation is absolute peak. Ian Flynn 🐐 and Sega is cooking bro!* 💯🔥
Omega calling dibs was just freaking amazing lol. Also a cool little detail I noticed was that the "present day" stuff takes place before Generations. The game before Gens was Colors where Eggman had these kinds of Egg Pawns as his main troops. So seeing them here guarding a base of his, specifically the samurai ones from Aquarium Park, is really cool and makes a lot of sense. Really cool as well to see that giant Egg Breaker mech boss from Shadow 05 make an appearance here. It's not being piloted by Eggman though, looks like he modified it to work autonomously.
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I think this makes the scene in SA2 where Shadow gets pissed when Sonic calls him a "Fake Hedgehog" have more impact because in Shadow's head he was being reminded that he's not different from the Black Arms and Maria telling him that it's not true is probably the only thing that convinces him he's a living being with feelings
Yeah I know I'm probably looking too much into it and that wasn't on Sonic Team's mind when making SA2 but I really like this headcannon
6:14 Not a rewrite. He had amnesia at the beginning of Shadow the hedgehog.
I still can't believe Rouge's voice sounds like that now. Not only do I prefer her voice from SA2, but also her model has changed. XD
When the Egg Breaker showed up, bro the memories started flooding:
"YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY, THE MORE THE MERRIER!YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY, THE MORE THE MERRIER!YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY, THE MORE THE MERRIER!YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY, THE MORE THE MERRIER!"
(Generally speaking) Shadow has been widely misunderstood since both SA2, Heroes, and Sh05. Adding up to decades (just like with Mewtwo). One, Shadow didn't just have amnesia after SA2, he's had it since awakening in SA2. Secondly, jumping to his own game, even by the end of S05 he literally never recovered his full memories. Ever. People just assumed he did. So... Shadow from 50yrs ago knowing he was created alien DNA is clever writing because he of course didn't have amensia back then, unlike in SA2-S05.
So a retcon… you could’ve just said that lol
@@codered1132 No. New information is not a retcon. The definition of retcon is new information that (explicitly) contradicts other information. Lol
Huh, so I guess Roger did voice Omega here. I wonder if they weren't able to get Aaron LaPlante back at all or if he was only avaliable to record for SxSG.
If not, then that means Roger is gonna be voicing 3 characters in SxSG, if the "Sonic's VA voices his metal counterpart too" tradition remains intact? Maybe that's why they modified Metal's voice filter that heavily?
8:12 In a Shadow 05 flashback doesn’t he literally see Black Doom in a room with Gerald and Shadow?
More amazing attention to detail in this episode: they just canonically explained why shadows quills curl the way they do. They mimic the shape of the black arms larva. INSANE.
It's hard to believe that a little prologue managed to offer us much more than a series of 24 episodes
“Shadow THE HEDGEHOG Dark Beginnings”?? I wish lol Also the GUN commander didn’t have a name in Shadow but in the Archie comics he’s named Abraham Tower so I guess they’re sticking with that now, pretty cool if you ask me
A Sonic show in this style and tone, I belive that'll be a big win for Sega.
My girl Rouge is lookin so good and sounding so clean. Easily my favourite character in Sonic (together with Silver). God I hope she is in the movie or plays a bigger role in upcoming Sonic media. But this animation is so good and also does her character justice. Especially her having the final line, as well as how it is delivered. Oh I am so excited.
Marai called the boy Abe. That's short for Abraham Tower from the Archie comics.
Just realised, Black Arms are a hive mind and a biomass. Meaning if that ONE larvae didn't get blown up with the Black Comet... it's going to regenerate into a full sized Black Doom. I think I cracked it fellas.
wow you might be onto somehting
Oh my goodness. I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
pretty much like the flood from halo
@@therandomvideochannel8589 Yup. Doesn't Doom even say something about "the time of his resurrection?" in a trailer
Then that type of story could happen on its own without Gens. The fact that Shadow Gens is tying in with Sonic Gens almost completely debunks your theory, since they're seemingly using time traveling effects to bring back Black Doom instead.
Actually, the commander's name is Abraham Towers! That's something, if I'm not mistaken, from the Archie comics.
Also, I fkn love Omega so fkn much. He's hilarious
0:53 🤣🤣🤣 Knuckles memes
Team dark has finally reunited
he had a name in the archie comics
9:18 lol true. if this was a forces thing shadow would've gone to chemical plant instead of the actual eggman base that had a spaceship
Didn’t expect to see another Flashback to Shadow and Maria with Abe that’s the Current GUN Commander that was like a Brother to Maria and despite Shadow After her Passing but it’s unclear if they both let go of the Past and if the Commander will be in Sonic X Shadow, he’ll I love how Rouge and Onega are Protrayed that it will seem that this Prologue will end with Shadow going to the Ark, plus Shadow is more than a Alien Weapon and Maria Knows This, 10 out of 10, Sega are Cooking with these Animations.
This episode was very interesting with the appearance of the commander for GUN as a child here and seeing one of the Black Arms creatures in their disposal. To be honest, I thought Shadow contacted Rouge and Omega for assistance but what she said makes complete sense. Plus, I like the little callback/foreshadow of Sonic Generations when she invited him for Sonic’s birthday party. I concur, how is it that all this happen in a span of a few minutes of footage? Very impressive.
2 down, 1 to go.
Little detail I like is that since this takes place after Colors the robots are based off the ones that were seen in colors. Eggman has no appearance cuz he's in space with the time eater. Continuity is truly outstanding.
I know a lot of people were upset when it was announced that the Sonic movies would be done in live action and not animation but obviously the live action Sonic movies have been able to be successful despite not being done in animation but hey SEGA if you ever make a animated movie for streaming services they should absolutely do it in the style of these shorts
The gun commander is Abraham Tower from the Archie comics
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In Archie, he’s called Abraham Tower. Idk if that also holds true in Chronicles. So I think the nickname implies his name is Abraham Tower like in Archie.
If that’s the case, I’m so happy to see that get adapted to the main series in a more permanent form. (Again, Idk if it was in Chronicles)
Shadow had amnesia so many times, trying to figure out when he knew or didn't know something is a mysterious itself. And if your throwing shadow clones on top of it RIP
4:15 Bro that's what I'm saying, time flies like 30x faster. The Eggman Base raid did NOT feel like 2 minutes
The Archie reference was fucking insane, hope the eggbosses are next!
Maria really used the Batman Begins quote on Shadow lol that was great
omega just wants to wreck shit for the sake of it
god i just love him
also in shadow game he had memory loss, so thats why he’s surprised there
I felt the same way as you, I blinked and it was over! Really loved this episode. Only weird thing was Shadow being cruel about the Black Arm creature... Loved the Team Dark interaction especially.
His name is Abraham Tower according to the Archie Comics!
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*Clacks tongue* Do you know the way? My brother, I only ask because you mentioned it, my brother. *Clacks tongue again* /silly
I’ll be honest, that didn’t come to my mind until you mentioned it, lol.
Poor Shadow being called a freak😢
He needs a hug ❤️
Luckily he gets one too
@@LittleLexi24Yeah
Its so short 😭😭😭 the action was so firee😭
I know right, they leave you wanting MORE!
seeing the egg breaker was wild the first time watching
"YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY.. THE MORE, THE MERRIER! YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY.. THE MORE, THE MERRIER! YOU KNOW WHAT THEY-"
The GUN commanders name comes from his name in the Archie comics, Abraham Towers, which I thought was pretty sick
The commander's name was always Abraham, but it was never said outside of the comics before.
I'm like an addict going through withdrawals. I NEED MORE
the gun commander is in sonic cronicles, and in that game they gave him a name, Aberham
He had no name in Chronicles just like in Shadow 05
I agree with the sentiment about wanting new sonic TV shows like this but this is actually 3d animation, not 2d. It can be hard to tell at times, but if you really look at the characters, you can see that they're cel shaded 3d models. REALLY good ones
The GUN commander was named Abraham Towers in the archie comics, Abe is short for Abraham
To be fair he also had amnesia in shadow 05 so that could also be why it was a shock
Nice to see Eggman still using those Pyramid Base, that part of Shadow being told to go to Sonic's birthday got me giggling XD
I really did not expect Rouge to show up.
The scene with Shadow and the Black Arms larva is shown in the new Shadow manga from the first chapter they released, as well as the scene with him and Maria looking at the Earth in episode 1 makes me think that this manga is going to be confirmed canon to Sonic X Shadow Generations since its a manga for this game but hasn't been said how tied in it will be for the game🦔🖤❤️
Looks like maybe Ian got to name the commander as "Abe" officially since in the Archie Comics he was referred to as Commander Abraham Tower.
Yeah the commander was named Abraham Tower is the Archie comics. Cool to see that come back as canon.
3:55 is it wrong for me to believe that sonic is gonna fight shadow for not going to his birthday party
Maria is an angel sent from heaven 💘💘💘 I'm not ready 😭😭😭😭
100% agree we need a full series or even a movie in this style.
TEAM DARK IS SOOOOOOOOO BACK!
My initial prediction was Shadow was on a mission for GUN on the Ark and got a call from Rogue to encourage him to mingle with others on Sonic’s birthday.
I'm just happy that we get to see Omega doing what he loves to do the most.
Shadow had amnesia on his game
Finding the way is actually a reference to Never turn back the song from Shadow the hedgehog
Omega continuing to be the funniest Sonic character that's my goat
It makes so much sense that Shadow had to be bribed to go to Sonic's b-day party. 😅😅😅
Thats because he had amnesia post sa2