2004 vs 2024 camera - Can YOU Spot the difference?
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- Join us as we explore the evolution of photography gear by comparing a DSLR from 2004 with a cutting-edge mirrorless medium format camera from 2024! Discover how advancements in technology have transformed the art of capturing images, yet the essence of what we shoot remains the same. You won't believe the differences and similarities we uncover in this intriguing showdown! Don't forget to subscribe for more exciting photography content!
Today we are comparing the Canon eos 5D mk2 to the Fuji GFX 100s on a cambo techncial camera with a mamiya sekor 90mm lens
What else would you like me to compare?
Expensive light Vs Dirtt Cheap Light. I use the generic, cheapo, nasty Video Soft Box from Ebay Amazon AliBaBa etc and apart from the lack of power, i have no issue with the light for video.
Cambo
@@JeffBourke Can deffo do this
@@rogerlee8071 There should be one on here from the last 10 or so videos I think
Lens quality please, but the same body. L series vs. gold ring, maybe?
I’ve heard: date your body, but marry your lenses.
I really appreciate these type of videos to help my GAS.
I love how you demonstrate how good the old DSLRs are. 99% of youtube is about "new camera".
yeah, not a lot has changed in stills cameras
What are you talking about? There are literally hundreds of videos about all sorts of legendary "5D classics" appearing every day.
@@dima1353 the biggest videos that are push are about new gear or popular gear
@@RayValdezPhotography That's just how reviews of new technology work, it will never change. That's tech journalism. But retrospective reviews are at their peak and very influential now, suddenly the prices of almost all Fujis and old premium compacts started to skyrocket
YT compression looking at it on your computer or TV screen is going to also make the images look more similar. Which is a good thing for the old camera.
Words of wisdom from someone who has actually done the work. Worth more than an internet full of reviews. I'm in the video arena and I book cameramen for their talent / style rather than what kit they have.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it
Great, but how many of them show up with top of the line gear? Let me rephrase it. How many have shown up with just their iPhones and done the entire photo shoot using that?
Sure you book based on talent and output, not gear. But it probably just so happens that the talent you book is also using the top of the line gear.
@@RedShiftedDollar I discuss what the shoot entails and any specifics I am looking for. The choice of kit is largely down to the DP. Most busy crew have their favourite kit collected over many years. Anyone turning up with "top of the line" shiny new toys would be suspect and far from the norm.
@@6minutemedia543 Did anyone ever show up with just their iphone? To me that seems like the most accessible high quality camera around. And it uses Sony's top of the line pixel technology that they don't even use in most of their professional cameras. Most of the photographers likely had an iphone with them while doing their shoots. So why didn't they just use that?
I'm sure it's because they want their work to be the best it can be. And while they could use the iphone and produce surprisingly good results, they know the results they can achieve with their high-end camera gear are better.
But as someone who judges the work without having to care about how it is produced, how can you know which portion of quality is due to the photographer and which is due to the camera and lens hardware?
The truth is that the gear matters a lot. Otherwise everybody would just use iphones.
literally a case of "its not what you got, it's how you use it"
100%
I always tell people that a “better” camera just has better technology that makes it easier to get a good photo (especially in certain genres). BUT I also highlight that sometimes struggling a little slows you down, and helps you to engage your creativity. It partially explains why some people are going back to film photography.
that's the reason film photography has such a big resurgence... i can shoot 500 pictures in less than 20 seconds with my S5 II... but with my Hassy i have to think and really make the shot work because every shot is almost $3 worth... sure i could do the same with a digital camera but unless someone forces me to it's hard to do
Still rocking my trusty 6D, love the images out of it, I’ll use it until the wheels fall off
@@thecinemafox5531 same here, bought it 2nd hand and love it. Only the autofocus and my running dog are when it shows it’s age for me.
This is a great video to have a reality check on those who say that DSLR's are dead
I didn't know which one was A for the burgers but A clearly has darker shadows and more texture on the pillar. Also the 5D mark ii came out in 2008. 5D classic in 2005
I love the 5d2's colour. Still shoot with it today. The ergonomics and interface are intuitive.
Same
i think the ergonomics and interface are absolutely terrible... but after 20 years of being abused by canon we're all in a stockholm syndrom with their design style
Having good glass is just as important
Your screen recording had me fooled, I thought my Sony app was popping up! Turns out it was yours lol
Based on pure image quality all but a expert photographer could tell the difference between the two images .It’s our our own obsession for gear that rules our head .
This is going to become my go-to video to send to anyone who is starting photography and anyone who wants to change their equipment. Perfect and clear, as always. Thanks.
I watch almost all your videos, yet I'm not interested in product photography. I think it's the ethos behind your work that crosses over to landscape photography that keeps me watching... if that makes sense. Not to mention your honesty keep up the good work.
I appreciate that!
Very interesting comparison, the canon 5d mk 2 ,is still a great camera and so affordable nowadays
If you have to spend a few minutes to figure out which is shot on a more expensive setup, and if on first look, you can't tell....then it definitely shows how good older DSLRs hold their value. Thanks . Blessings
Pretty happy to have spotted all the differences between the two. Thanks for the learning opportunities!
i recently got a 5d mark ii, within the last 3 months. i don't shoot food, but with everything else ive done on it it works fantastic. no complaints, maybe minus dual sd card slots but i don't need it for everything. getting the right glass for it just makes it work. i may even buy another if I find I could do with one, but I still like the 1d mark iv and i use other cameras aswell.
Digging the video, but the 5D Mk II is from 2008, not 2004! I understand the rhetoric reason for it, but no point in being overly clickbaity 🙏🏻
True 4, years in the early days of any tech can make a massive difference
I was wondering if he had a 1ds Mark 2 or original 5d even - I don't think it would make a massive amount of difference if he used either instead of the 5d mark 2 for this kind of work.
I recently upgraded to a second-hand Canon 6D Mk II body and the same 100 mm F=1:2.8 USM macro lens. Also used at a fraction of the regular price.
The results are great on a tripod and using the 2 s self-timer. Now people keep telling me I should have bought the IS version of the lens...
Nobody ever asked me where I use it for. Same for the 6D body.
The warmer colours of B, give away the answer. If you are a canon user you see it at once. I noticed the plinth only when you mentioned it. I could see the 2 photos were not identical in framing/composition, but I did not notice the top of the plinth right from the start. I thought - actually I was expecting, that you would have mounted the canon on the cambo and take the same shot. May be this would have salvaged the almost blown out highlights on the plinth, on the canon shot. Anyway, you make a point, industry standards have not changed and yes old cameras can still be usable, but... The cambo (or any other similar system) is amazing, I think all product photographers should have something like that. Great work !
Excellent review. Too many people think expensive kit will fix their work, but knowledge and practice comes first.
amazing video,thank you for sharing. We are all the time checking new cameras and usually "good" enough is what we already have :-)
Really good point which everyone needs to hear, fantastic video.
4:46 As soon as I noticed the difference in focus, it became obvious what camera is which. I was already pretty sure I knew which was which... everything from the color, the focus, and all that. The detail.... Yeah. I noticed instantly the difference between the angle, though admittedly, I wasn't sure which camera was capable of that specific angle.
still shooting with my Canon 6d : Thank you for your lesson!
The 5D2 was my all time favorite camera, it's long gone and I've also got a 100s, but my 5D2 images are still very pleasing to look at. I also would highly recommend it for someone on a budget, but use L lenses which are probably also budget friendly by now.
Image A looks like it was shot on the Fuji camera with slightly higher dynamic range but hard to say as either could have be processed to look like that. By the way I still shoot on the Canon 5DmkII as my main camera and still going strong.
The only difference between new digital cameras and old digital cameras are speed and ease of use! I have a Nikon D800 and the new Z8. Image quality would be hard to tell the difference. I do love the new adjustable screen for low shots without having to lay on the ground, and I love 20 frames per second for fast moving birds, and love the four banks for different kinds of photography. Where will the tech be in ten years from now?
Nothing renders a sunrise like a 5D II (dust spots and all) - I'll never bin mine
Great vid as always
Great video Scott, I just show you don't have to spend a fortune to get good results. And great shout on the Canon 85mm 1.8 gold ring, it's doing a terrific job on my 6D
I can second the 85mm 1.8 gold ring, I have it on my 5D classic, and surprisingly it is a fantastic lens on mirrorless (M50mkII) as well. It has an absolutely amazing synergy with the M50, very high resolution, fantastic tone / substance / color, so much nicer than with any mirrorless lens.
Makes complete sense, brilliant advice. Thank you Darren. 😊
You had *ONE* stopgap between those two???? I guess that does send the message home lol. All I know is I finally found out I should have gone a6000 plus Speedlite and tripod rather than a6400 and nothing (besides the lens obviously) haha
Good, useful advice as usual. I use an old Mamiya 645 bellows with tilt/shift and their 80mm f/4 macro for product photos. They're available for around $200 at the auction site, and can be adapted to more or less anything. It's the one for the manual focus cameras. The newer one for the AFD models lacks tilt and/or shift (never remember which one).
i used to use a Zenza Bronica ETRS with a super jank bellow setup in the 90s that my mentor made by hand when i first started product photography... a lot of money problems in photography can be overcome by being crafty (or knowing someone who is)
Good advice. I definitely got it right as to which was which, but then again it's small fixable details.
I am a professional painter and from that perspective the food material looks real in the Canon.
The Fujifilm looks plastic to me.
I know you can change a lot in PP but I would much rather start with the Canon file.
I bought a 5D MKII last year, and just bought another one last week with only 5000 shutter actuations. They are such great cameras that I want to make sure I'll have one well into the future. The fact that you can do a test like this, and not really tell tge difference proves how good the 5D MKII is!!
My guess is picture on the right is the Fuji. Cheers!
100% agree... I am using the exactly the same lens on a Canon 90D for a lot of product photography.
You can tell because of the tilt correction, however you can't really tell unless you know what you're looking for.
I have an old canon, the smaller dynamic range and the yellowish/orange bias of the camera are really frustrating at times, not much wiggle room in post, time consuming. And the compression artifacts which you forgot to mention, I noticed right away on the white background.
Yeah and performance in the dark won’t be anywhere near a newer entry level mirrorless
I have a Nikon D700 and a Nikon z6. I use both but I keep going back to my D700.
Apparently I guessed right. No argue about anything you said about 5d Mark II. I currently use 20 Megapixel, with 12bit sensor and its more than enough in terms of quality. At the moment I worked a lot on my lightning skills, adding some editing in the mix, and I am getting to a better quality grade at quite steady pace.
I'm not certain about which camera is which but I'm kind of hungry now...
Same 😃!!
I can tell immediately. But then I approach everything with an Elite, Olympic style level of competition and study. And I play to win.
IMHO, this video is for those whom want to win. In fact, all your videos seem to be for those whom want to win or achieve. In that regard you are unique on the web.
Out of all 200 million + competitors out there on the "Tube" I can only think of a handful whom offer realistic, practical and honest counsel. Please don't stop, whatever your future plans are.
For the record, not only do I agree with you, but the highest paying thing I ever shot was done on a small Fuji camera, albeit with a Leitz lens. Still, the typical blue violet cast of Fuji was still apparent. And nobody cared. Usually moderately paying work, this job was initially big and expensive. In spite of that, the actress sent me 30 year old Scotch and extra money after the shoot. Love that $ 200 Fuji!
Please see your request for what I personally would love to see next.
The first thing I have noticed was the perspective which was an immediate giveaway, secondly it was the washed out cheese on the Canon and the greater detail of the Fuji
I have just started shooting with my old Fuji xe1, the files look amazing. I would be more inclined to spend the money on the best lenses. With the massive improvement in software, it’s amazing what you can now produce from the files. I find that I mostly have to soften the raw files. The colours look fantastic, and noise is just not an issue.
💯 agree if you’re shooting still subject 👏
The 5D MkII came out in 2008 not 2004.
I still working with Nikon D90 ❤ Cheap and full of pro Nilon features. There are some limitarioms (color edition) but if you know them you handle it before post. Also for video a D5300. You can work very well with that stuff.
5D Mark II was 2008, but I get that the title works better using 2004... :)
As a hobby photographer I shoot with Canon 7d. (I think you can get one under 150 €) It's fine in a good lighting condition.
Great video and fantastic examples!
At the risk of sounding smug I chose correctly 🙂 I thought it was the resolution and contrast of the seeds on the bun and the highlights on the plinth. Good video
I never watch your videos based off of your thumbnails, I see Tin House has a new video and I click on it. I care about your content not the thumbnails 😂.
And, I picked ‘B’ as the medium format.
So, this means I will be using my camera for the next decade, thank you for the video and the wise investment information.
Would love to know where you buy your used kit. This video changed how I view camera gear more than any other Ive seen. Thank you. ❤
I use mpb
Love my Mark II but use the Mark I for most personal work and just shooting general, still great -- my 7D mark II is my fav camera, these days, simple, fast and same res as most newer rigs -- not worth the extra 3 grand for 90% of the work I do, as most will be online.
Go Canon 5D Mark II. As a user I approve this message 👍🤣
That difference was very clear
Brilliant. I showed some clients shots from 2003 from my old 6mp Fuji S2Pro and they thought they were shots from this year and my Z9. Not zoomed in to pixel peep mind but as for online use or even small print work it’s all good.
I was waiting for this video since you posted the images in the fb group!
Cameras, yes, largely agree. Lighting, on the other hand, my experience has been that it’s worth paying more for better. Also, there is used lighting, which I thought was great, until a Norman pack set-up made an indoor lightning ⚡️ show. Renting can be better than used for lighting gear. Cheap lighting gear that shifts colour temperature, can be a nightmare in post processing.
The image quality race has long been beyond what can be seen in some resizes like that, especially via TH-cam. You can even make a 1" Sony compact camera work for that.
Great comparison, well done. 👍
Love these kind of videos! Would be a little bit different though when you should fast paced action. But same principles apply. Most older cameras are up for the job, but newer ones make it a bit easier and offer extra features.
aside from perspective, how much of the image difference is actually to do with the diff lenses vs the diff sensors?
Why Lightroom?
You are honest.
And there is a Cambo set up for full frame and DSLR, only $6285 US at present...
I used Pentax K-5 introduced in 2010 for all the work untill 2020 doing over 130k shots. Then I replaced it by K-3 introduced in 2013 :D And it does the job well till this day. It has better dynamic range than that 5DII..
Also added 2nd hand Oly EM5III recently.. also nice tool.
Camera body is just cheap tool when compared to investments in lenses. And lenses can serve even for decades.
The white box was a dead giveaway. That's where my eyes went first.
I feel like I have watched this video like 10 times on this channel 😂 still a valid lesson though
Very wise words, nice one
You said that you can't do the technical abilities with the Canon, but didn't you have a technical rig for the EOS mount when you had the 5DSR? Wouldn't that work for this Canon too?
I really liked the comparison. The Fuji seems to have more dynamic range. I would like to see the Canon on the Cambo with the Mamiya lens. I agree that both images look great. I own both of these cameras, the Canon 5DMkII and the Fuji GFX100S, but not the Cambo. I love the Fuji also. Like you I used the Canon for many years on most of my jobs. The Fuji is fun to use. For me, I did a large group photograph and it was a dream to retouch the faces because of the image detail. Thanks for sharing this comparison.
The dynamic range on the B looks noticeably worse. Its highlight clipping is really harsh compared to the A.
The Fuji had a bit better tonal gradation in the bun.
Good solid point/s !
I love this type of video, im still using a canon 100D at the moment to do street and portrait photography. although im looking to upgrade but dont want to go crazy because as you have just answered whats going to be the difference between my camera and a new model.
image quality wise just nothing has changed.... especially since we consume images on tiny screens... you'd be hard pressed to see any differences between a 100D and a Fuji/Hassy for 10k even if they're side by side
At first I thought the Fuji was B because the texture of the meat looked a bit richer. Then I was wondering because the green of A was not as washed out but then it became SO obvious it was A when you see the texture of the plinth. It just smacks you in the face.
You can mount the Canon on the Cambo as well. And use the RZ lens.
pretty sure that's what he did on exactly that setup with his 5Ds
I actually like the a a little more. I like both too.
Well, from the perspective I would guess that A is the old Canon DSLR, and B is the Fuji/Cambo combination. Colors look different, but are not good indicator (I actually somewhat prefer A, even though B might be the more "natural" look for the green). Edit: Well, I was wrong. But at least I liked the Fuji colors more … ;-)
just had an internet discussion (silly me, i know) about how 24mpx isn't enough and how outdated 24mpx cameras are. fml. this internet NEW will change your life is so ridiculous. people aren't learning anything and are expecting the new thing to solve problems they have, not the camera.
anyway.. you promised a proper file naming tutorial :))
If only they knew most web pages and social media apps just use like 1-2 megapixels.
@@mikafoxx2717 not just that.. you can print big 12, 16mpx, i do it all the time!
Sure i have a gfx as well But FML.. there are advantages to a 16 megapixel raw file vs a 100 megapixel raw.
I like the 5D series they each kind of have their own look. I do think the colors of the 5Dsr are very nice indeed, however, really to get the benefit of that camera one must take good care to be quite steady and think a bit about the best F-strop for the resolution. I think if you get sloppy with it, you may as well stick to the 20 megapixel sensor or even less. For me at least, I like the idea of having all kinds of pixels for cropping, but if I am honest, I don't think I ever really thought that more than 16 megapixels are usually ever needed, assuming you frame it right. Unfortunately the Canon mirrorless are, many of them, too pricey, although the R6 does not seem too bad, but then the glass is very expensive - I already have some nice EF L glass and I really do not want to buy things over.
Perhaps I may buy used some day. Nice video, too honest, you will never make it as a politician, especially nowadays. I do like the Fuji line for the smaller sensor cameras, nice glass, and some rangefinder body type love. I like the finder on the left. Just got the new x100VI, I have the original x100 and have been wanting better focus speeds and a tad more resolution, we shall see how the new version does. I wish it were not so popular though, it took 6 months to get my order, I came close to cancelling, you know the clowns did not provide a hard copy manual for it. The PDF is a million pages and a pain. Fortunately, I have several charges and batteries already.
Best wishes, God bless!
Top drawer
You can already spot differences, and keep in mind these are 'ideal conditions' with controlled lighting and speed... When the going gets thought it will get obliterated
Long term LF user here, so the geometry was a tell. But… Canon on the Actus?! Can do it…
Also seems to my eye like the Canon image was a little more exposed => thinner; less detail in the highlights, lettuce and plinth.
I’m now back to a Canon 5Dii after many silly back and too swaps; waiting for home improvement loan to pay up then back to the Actus (sold the first 🤔😭😰)
I’d like to see a comparison between an XT3 or XT30 Fuji and the canon
it's very easy to identify the Fuji shot by the default twisted red channel
Before finishing the video, I’m gonna say I like A better.
I use my RB67 lenses... on my RB. Have upgraded to the KL lenses in many cases that are similar to RZ lenses. I am a portrait guy so some lenses like my zeiss 100 mm makro planar can be too sharp for less than perfect skin. My "new" camera, an f6 just got back from nikon for repair and cla. I primarily use my d850 for film scanning. I can easily print 24x36 on my printer with the RB67 and 20" with the mamiya 645 pro tl.
In what universe did Mark ii came out in 2004?
5d mark2 is from 2008 sep.
personally i like more resolution , no need for it at all with what i do, i just like zooming in and seeing all the tiny details
Would love to see Tilt-shift vs Cambo. If you showed the Pro Vs Cons of both system would be great. Would you use any of the Tilt-shift adapters on the market vs say a Tilt-shift lens? I love my 85mm Tilt-Shift PC Lens but I be thinking about putting a Tilt-shift adapter on a Medium Format Lens. If you could give us an idea if that's reasonable?
I started my photography journey with a mirrorless camera but I grew up seeing pictures from an SLR, and I immediately knew that B was from a DSLR because it just has a bit more of a film like look/feel that DSLR's naturally inherit from their SLR precursors
i could tell it was a fuji from the colours
So is the Canon incapable of camera B shot because of physical limitation, or because of incompatibility with the other gear?
I loved the images that came out of my 5DII. However, the dynamic range compared to modern cameras was terrible. If you'd have chosen an image with more dynamic range the differences would be more obvious. That said, most technical improvements we saw the last years are far more important to video work as to photography.
Nice comparison. Can't you also use the Canon with the bellows?
I had a 5d2 as my main camera for portraits, now it's been replaced by a R6, I was thinking of retiring the 5d2 for studio work, but I'm not sure, since the inspectors on the shutterstock really don't like noise and i kinda like low key - it is my thing. And 5d2 just keeps bringing noise from shadows. R6 has much better shadow noise/details, but it would be nice to give some use to my old 5d2.
@@dima1353 use dxo pure raw to remove almost completely the noise