Sooooo... Headphones.com is actually selling the clear for $990.... I would get this over the elex while supplies last - www.headphones.com/collections/focal-clear-collection/products/focal-clear-over-ear-open-back-headphones
What about the LCD-2 over the 2C? It's the same price as the Clear now ($990), it is that much better over the 2C? I am not shy of EQing so the LCD-2 looks more appealing.
The suggestion would have been the Celestee if one were looking for a closed back option. With the OG Clear now at the same price point, that is decidedly the way to go over anything under 1k
Is there a huge difference in sound between Focal Clear and new Focal Clear MG? Do you really feel it? I own a Focal Clear love it and want to have a close look at MG version if it represents a real improvement
@@io_metre according to Resolve, from Headphonesdotcom, they are pretty much the same, differences are minimal, he has a recent video and he spends some time comparing them.
I love my LCD-2C, tomorrow I finally gonna pick up my balanced cable (4 weeks waiting😱, handcrafted 👌). I'm also happy with my IEM Jerry harvey diana paired with A&K AK70 MKII, great sound I recommend to try this combo
I got my LCD2Cs 3 years ago. They sounded great when I got them. I needed to replace the pleather pads on them and saw that Audeze had a new pad design shipping with all their new sets. Thinner and a different foam material. OMG. Love the 2Cs even more now! Vocals are just as good but just have the top end finish that they were missing somewhat. Everything opened up but still has the upfront vocal presence I loved about them. Highly recommended pad swap.
Thank God... a reviewer who answer the question of the review, within the first min. And it makes it easier to follow your remarks in the review. Thumbs up just for that.
I'm one of the people who can't afford these headphones, but man Josh's production work is a piece of living art that I have to watch as soon as it comes out.
Just a note for the nylon ring on the LCD-2c. It is glass fiber rienforced nylon, the same material used in power tools from impact wrenches to cordless drills. It is insanely tough is a massive step up from the wood in terms of durability.
@@davidmason8212 That depends... The Elex is better for well-recorded music, serious listening, and gaming. But the LCD-2C is the best headphone I've ever heard for just pressing play on your playlist and chilling out. It sounds great listening pretty much any kind of music. The Elex tends to be a little bit more picky.
There should be more video's like these. There are so many old headphones with great reputations but so are new great headphones coming out at the same price. I always wonder if they still hold up compared to their competitors.
What are the "new great headphones coming out at the same price"?? Tbh the only headphones I know around the 600-900 price range are the Ananda, lcd2c and Elex.
@@g1g2g3g4g5gt I guess you could put some chi-fi action in the "new, maybe punches above weight" group. Gold Planar Gl2000 comes to mind as a recent example. Folks always want to know how the proven headphones compare to the new upstarts.
@@Schild4823 Yeah, but that one got pretty bad reviews. Mixed to say the least, especially if you are like me and can't stand Zeos (videos are too long and I don't even find his jokes funny).
Has anyone with a huge head actually had the Audeze headphones on? I wear a 7 5/8 fitted cap and have a hard time finding a comfortable set of cans. Do those luxurious looking pads clear the top and bottom of ears? Having such a big head has made me fit sensitive over the years. Keep up the great work Josh!
I loved my Focal Elex headphones, both pairs I had, before each of them died within one year of having them. I was always super obsessive about putting them back in the box, but both died anyway. Thank goodness the 2nd pair died while still under warranty by a few weeks. I got a full refund from Drop and now I'm hoping the Audeze LCD2C goes on sale for Black Friday. I may someday buy another pair of Elexes, but I'd be very cautious about that, given the 2 that suddenly died on me. They do sound stunning, while they work. My other pair is the Drop 6XXs, which are nice, but the sound is smeary and veiled compared to the Elexes. Too bad about Focal's QC on those.
Almost 2 years with the 2C and couldn't be happier. Probably gonna be my endgame, tried the Clears but they were a bit metallic to my ear. Also sick B-rolls Josh.
@@exact3 Not sure. I Couldn't use the synthetic pads much because they got too hot and my right ear was touching the driver a bit. If anything the little extra depth probably added a little low end. Side note: the audeze leather pads smell really damn good.
I get how you and others draw a relationship line between the Senn 650/6XX and the Drop x Focal Elex. I do love the 6XX experience. It's super-fun and so easily enjoyable. I especially love the whole Bottlehead Crack + 6XX thing. The Elex is, as you mention, simply more capable in more areas. More and better quality bass, more and better HF, more and better resolution, and especially better soundstage/imaging. The Senn 600-series thing is singular'ish, particular, and even peculiar in what it does well - that midrange tonal character is so organic. It's not necessarily presented in a palpable soundstage field, but it's so natural and textured. I actually find that the Drop x AeonX is more similar to the 6XX; like just a little, but noticeable, refinement in all areas over the 6XX.
I've enjoyed my 6XX but after spending most of the year with high quality IEMS, I understand what "veiled" means and I'm ready to sell my Senns and upgrade to something better.
One interesting fact about the Elex is that Drop will not ship them to any European country. There might be other countries outside of Europe that Drop will not ship the Elex to. Personally I think the Audeze LCD2 Classics are overpriced at $800. They should have stayed at their introduction price of $600.
I've had the Elex for a ~a couple of years now, and have found a great amp match for them with the Schiit Lyr 3. If you invest in a few NOS tubes, it is totally worth the investment imo. I have found my endgame.
Man I’m kinda disappointed I got a focal about 10 days ago it clipped often right out the box I chalked it up to needing burn in so I’ve burned it in it no longer clips but the left driver buzzes still after 30-40 hours of play time I’m really scared they are gonna die or something should I return these any help would be amazing I run my stuff through a Ifi rig and have many phones and none of them buzz and I can drive the crap out of my other stuff but these they buzz on bass at about 80-85db
Making decision between those 2 I decided to go with LCD2C for following reasons: 1. LCD2C sounds much more fun and enjoyable comparing to Focal Clear. I know Elex sounds a bit different, but if Clear couldn't beat LCD2C in my preferences I had doubts that Elex will. 2. Looking for the second-hand options I flickered through too many failed Elexes with either imbalanced volume, or failed dynamic driver. Way too many. I wouldn't want to be concerned about QC when buying something for $700. 3. Speaking about build quality, the look of the Focal Clear on the stand in the shop was awful. A lots of chipped paints around the cups etc. and that's considering that you have to ask for the headphones before listen to them. I understand that this might not represent wear of actual usage, but LCD2C was looking much better, and seems like Audeze tolerates beating much better overall. Anyway I picked LCD2C mostly because of its phenomenal and engaging sound signature, which I preferred even over HD800S or Hifiman Arya, which cost much more.
ATH-ADX5000 Audrey LCD -X Focal Clear mg professional Focal Celestee I would rather pict base on sound value Audrey LCD -X $1,199 Budget I would pick Audrey LCD-2C $799. From my personal list, what's your input ⁉️
Alright, budget is 500$, but let's add 200$ for the Elex. And maybe another 200$ for an amp, and maybe another 100$ for a DAC, and maybe another something for a better cable, and oh! There's a sale on the Clears? Well add another 290$, which could almost feel like 200$ but not quite. Simple budgeting! Oh, from international? Add shipping + exchange rate + bank extra exchange fees and everything is ok! Why do I love this hobby?
Never tried the elex, but as for the ananda vs the lcd2c, if pick the lcd2c. The 2c is immediately likable and easy on the ears. A bit dark for my taste but otherwise what you'd expect from a planar. Very enjoyable. The ananda sounds larger, brighter, more detailed, but also grainy. It seemed to have a harshness that i couldnt get to go away with eq. I honestly had more to like about the ananda overall but the harshness is what ruins it for me.
@@chaos1267 I think it is much more simpler to just say that you like a darker sound signature. Ananda is undoubtedly the tonally more neutral headphone and soundstages much better as well.
Not sure about that being clear upgrade for the 6XX/650, I still can't find anything that actually beats my HD650 in terms of general music enjoyment. Had LCD-2/2F/3/X, Focal Clear Pro. Still listen to the 650's 95% of the time.
@@davidmason8212 Thing with Audeze, at least for me, is that the 2's and the 3 were way too dark and had somewhat weird frequency response. The X was the most exciting and neutral, that one would certainly be number one in my mind from those 4. But then, after some time you get enough of that monsterous bass and I just stopped using it. Plus it's heavy which sucks also. The 650 is the wife material, LCD-X is hot chick at some night club. That's not great for long term relationship.
What about Hifiman Ananda in 2021? Most reviews I have read were of the opinion that the only advantage LCD 2C has over the Ananda is the bass response and Ananda is better in almost all categories especially soundstage and the high frequencies. Anandas are also rated by many as the better all-rounder headphones than the LCD 2Cs whereas LCD 2C is more considered as a genre specialist headphone for bass-heavy music.
@@davidmason8212 I listened to the Anandas and they sounded very "meh" compared to my Audezes. I think there is a lot of pro-HIFIMAN "blindness" when it comes to actual music listening and evaluating perceived value. For me Audeze beats Hifiman in just about their whole lineup (keeping in mind I have only heard LCD-4s, GX, and LCD-2Cs).
@@WayneAlexander Do you prefer extended bass over the highs and prefer intimate vocals over the sound stage ? I think That what makes you prefer the audeze .
@@WayneAlexander I think you are actually suffering from a 'Pro- Audeze blindness'. I don't pretend to be an audiophile or anything but generally most people seem to prefer the Hifiman signature. Take Joshua Valour himself for example. He will take the Hifiman Arya over an LCD X any day. Even his review of the LCD 4 was lacking in enthusiasm compared to his review of Hifiman Arya, a significantly less expensive headphone. Hifiman sound signature especially of their higher end models seem to be characterised by large open soundstage, clear highs and mids along with very good and clean bass extension albeit lacking a little bit in thump and rumble (especially with Anandas) Audeze higher end sound signature seems to be characterised by more intimate soundstage (compared to Hifiman higher end models or the Sennheiser HD800 series) as well as thumping bass, clear mids and slightly veiled highs (LCD X however seems to have great highs)
I used to have the Elex Josh but I had problems with the balanced wire and then the right drivers went off. I lived outside the US so it's kind of expensive in returning them. though massdrop needs a US address before they refund or exchange. Do the elex at 2021 still have that kind of problem?
That one has some serious issues on the highs that make them uncomfortable to listen to, research a little and watch other reviewers, Josh likes it because he isnt picky with the highs
Josh really hate the Ananda 😅 I asked alot of people the only two reviewers who prefer elex and lcd2c over ananda are josh and dms . Everybody else prefer the ananda over them . Actually they said lcd2c sounds bad Elex doesn't worth the extra 500 dollar over the 6xx
Drop had a bit if a snafu with replacement pads for the Elex (pads were not the same quality or thickness) and refunded everyone that had ordered them. So far I haven't seen any option to get replacement pads. I haven't seen them on offer by Drop since. Kind of a bummer since the closest pads to the Elex are for the Clear and those cost close to $200. I've got a year an a half on these as my daily driver and I'm hoping they offer up the original pads again soon. Then again, that $990 deal on the Clear is crazy tempting! Thanks for the great content!
I wanted to give the Elex a try after not finding the 6XX comfortable as it looks like the pads are comfier and the clamp pressure wouldn't all be centered around below the ear. After researching it sounds like they're basically ticking time bombs with how often the drivers fail, very clever planned obsolescence. Ended up getting an X2HR after having an X2 for a long time and regrettably getting rid of it. Also a 560s to compliment it. I'll be waiting for Sennheiser to finally dump money into R&D after partnering with Sonova and hopefully bring a true successor to the 6x0 and 800 series headphones.
Honestly i was shopping for an Elex or the Elegia, but after weighing everything went for the Elegia (yeah i wanted a Focal haha, love the design and sound way too much), i'd rather risk a low chance of the headband breaking (can be mitigated) than a 100% chance of a driver failing (nothing you can do about that), plus going back to closed-backs was surprisingly nice, and for 400$, holy shit, the sound...
A month back I was in this very category for shopping for a "great" headphone. I actually went with the Audeze LCD-GX over the Audeze LCD-2C. Not sure why Joshua didn't particularly gush and fawn over the GX, like other reviewers, but for me, it blows both this Focal Elex and regular LCD-2C out of the water. I currently pair it with a Schiit Hel and its been amazing! Curiously enough, Joshua didn't make over the Meze Empyreans like other reviewers either.... A lot of people say they are better than Abyss and Hifimans. Strange....
Welp, I just bought a HD660s for 300€. Too bad these headphones are crazy expensive here in Europe.. like, several hundreds more than in the US :/ I'm super happy with my choice though, made my decision based on your and Zeos' reviews. Keep up the great work mate!!
@@MrLimaify It was on a Hungarian site for 110k HUF which is around 300 euro, maybe a bit more, like 305 or so. But this was the last one there, sadly.
I mean eq does wonders for audezes. I have the Lcd2c with a 4db bass shelf from 125hz and they sound fantastic without being bloated. I'm not sure what headphones you're coming from but maybe they were obnoxiously bass boosted?
The problem with the DROP items is basically the taxes and VAT for people who don't live in the US. I ordered the HD58X a while ago and it came to about 250$ overall and they do not calculate it beforehand like Amazon. Is there anything similar at Amazon for the Focal ELEX? I like my headphones with bass but still a clear treble. Thanks
Had the 2C for a few years now. It looks the same as the day I got it aside from some dust. The pads still don't look like they're worn. It's built like a tank. I'll probably be able to hand this thing off to my son in great condition. Also have no desire to upgrade. I don't go to audio shows to know what I'm missing, but the subbass is unlike any other headphone I've used, and EQ brings in the top end which does resolve, it just isn't quite forward enough with default tuning. The mids are excellent to begin with. It's a total endgame candidate IMO. Also JDS atom is only $100 which gets you plenty of power and perfectly detailed output and you can EQ to color as desired.
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I've actually been thinking of getting the LCD2C/Magnius combo. This video hits the spot. I feel like a lot of content revolves around the high end, but there isn't too much about the $400 and $600-800 sweet spots. Also I very much enjoy the chill vibes you and your videos give off 🙂
Wow perfect timing. My LCD 2C just came in today 😂 Love them so far. Also got some hd600s today but the clamp force was way too much so they're stretching out on my monitor speakers for a few days
@JoshuaValour, I'm considering getting the LCD-2C. Do you consider this to be more close to HD600 in terms of mids and vocals? I want this because you said they are warm and that the voices sound amazing! This sounds exactly what I want... But in other reviews, I have heard that there are some deeps in the mids. Do voices feel affected? I'm only interested in very good mids, good bass, and a relaxed/warm sound. I already have the Edition XS, Sundara, AKG K702 and I now I want something diffrent. Something more dark and warm. Do you consider the LCD-2c an upgrade?
hey Joshua, why you never do a review for lcd-2c closed. I have a noisy family and would like some isolation. I was thinking on buying the lcd-2c and cut out a piece of carbon fiber to cover up the back so I can get some isolation. what you think ?
The build quality of the Elex cables is abysmal. I treat my headphones carefully and they never leave my apartment, yet in just over a year, three (as in one! two! three!) stock XLR cables failed. The first two times, Drop replaced the headphone (they refuse to replace just the cable) immediately and I returned the old one after receiving the new one. The third time (it was still under warranty) they wanted the old one back first so I gave up and got a Periapt cable. I still often use the Elex for movies but it has been supplanted as my primary music headphone by the ZMF Aeolus.
how does the ananda compare? I was looking to upgrade to something in the price range and I'm leaning towards the ananda but the lack of swivel on the cups is kinda off-putting
I have got 6xx and 4xx . 4xx sounds way better that's why i didn't put the elex on my upgrade list. Till now idk why josh hate the ananda and prefer the 2c over it . Most reviewers prefer ananda over the 2c
I have the Ananda and dying to try Audeze and Elex. $700 is sweet spot for high end headphones imo. I missed my Dt 1990 though, best rock and roll beast.
Elex do remind Quad Era-1s (they both sound great), however, I don't really like the LCD-2 classics due to their darkness. I would suggest to search for hd800's used for 700-800 quids xD
Quad Era-1 is probably the most overlooked headphone between 500-1000 usd. Such a sweet sounding headphone. Wouldn't trade mine for either LCD2C or Elex.
Just made this decision 2 weeks ago between these two.. watched those respective reviews and went with the classics. Being in Canada price is pretty much the same and supported a local shop. Picked up the xduoo xd-05 basic w/ the bass boost I’m loving it and would like to say endgame but c’mon.. Great comparison as usual and glad you still rec. 🙌
Well I have to say this opinions are like assholes everybody has one I have had all different types of headphones everything from koss and Pioneer Skullcandy Bose Sony Crown you name it I probably had it I've tried them from $50 all the way up to $1,000 and more and the best pair I ever had a pair of Sony's the sound quality that came out of them put the rest of them to shame and they were I can't remember the number but they were a pair of Sony Studio Pro can't remember the number but they were very very good they were excellent as far as comfort the sound quality out of them or excellent and I think I paid what was it $125 for them and I still have them and I still use them to this day I have something like 17 pairs of headphones and I still use mostly the Sony's and you will know I mean I've tried all the high-end stuff and I just cannot find any of those that are worth that kind of money to spend that money for that type of I mean really it's it's not worth it you could buy a sound system for the price of some of those headphones that I've tried and it is not worth just like now you're talkin about headphones that are seven and eight hundred dollars you could buy a power amp a nice Power Amp or a DAC unit or a receiver for that kind of money or a decent pair of speakers for that kind of money spending that kind of money on just a set of headphones to me it seems ridiculous especially in today's economy because everybody is not wealthy enough to be able to throw away 7 to $800 on just a set of headphones and it's especially since they're not going to be opening too many things are nowadays and it's nobody's going to be working very fast so people are still out of work and these companies that are charging this much money for headphones are a little bit out there the economy is not set up for people to go out and buy these things right now unless these are very setup for very wealthy people and that's probably only set up for the far left because right now there's the only ones that can really afford this type of luxury cuz that's what it is it's it's in luxury it's not a necessity because seven to eight hundred dollars could pay your month's rent or half your month's rent or half your monthly mortgage so that kind of money is not really in the market for many people especially nowadays
This video is actually quite funnily timed as I just got my hands on both of them after ordering them a while back, could not agree with you more. Love them both to death, though I will say the LCD-2Cs take the crown for most comfortable headphone of all time imho, the fact that you can swivel the drivers so that they aren't parallel is a huuuuge plus, and with a little EQ the low end slams like nothing else.
Ive been watch your review this lcd2c, but your latest videos has always about hifiman edition xs..which is good between two or maybe you can make a new video Hifiman Editon XS VS Audeze LCD2 Classic as well? My preference is to enjoy listening the music and hope for big soundstage and good imaging. Hope you can answer this..
It is so difficult to suggest the 2C anymore. and feel it has been for a couple years. With the LCD-X around $300 USD more, if someone is wanting a single"endgame" set of cans just save the money then jump. Anyone would be happy with the 2C if that were it but that extra step for the X is the far better long term investment IMO.
Just bought a pair of 2Cs... Back watching your videos to justify them being my end game headphone. Just need a set of STAX to round out my stable of headphones.
I wanted to love the Elex and i was about to pull the trigger on them but after reading endless posts online about the drivers clipping and outright failing it's a big NO for me 😞 you'd think a company that sells something for 700$ would give a flying rats a** about QC but no and it's a shame because they are beautiful headphones 🤔 i wonder why Joshua never mentioned these issues in his video it would have been REALLY helpful to his audience/subscribers
I didn't try the elex but let us consider it 660s . I tried 1990 and 660s and of course 1990 is way better in gaming but the 660s is way better in songs .
Nice video - and always nice with some reassurance, I still love my LCD-2Cs, though I'll admit they are getting a bit heavy / giving me a hotspot (the strap stretches it seems) now that I'm wearing them many hours every day working from home, and then trying to enjoy them later. I was wondering if you have any plans of trying out any of the Kennerton headphones, or the LSA versions of them. The few reviews I have managed to find seem like they are just borderline perfect, but I'd love to hear some thoughts from someone I've heard more reviews from. The LSA HP-1 in particular look like an absolute no-brainer at the price if the reviews I have seen hold any truth.
Hi,there is an easy mod u can do that u can find online. i ve done it myself it will relief u for sure! My problem with the 2c is the clamping pressure and the suction^
I did do the strap length adjustment mod if that's what you're referring to, but I've found that after a while it just stretched some more, and now the metal headband is touching my head again. I even hang them just by the metal part to avoid stretching the strap, but no luck. I luckily have a tiny head, so clamping pressure is not an issue at all, though the "suction" would definitely be something I'd be willing to give up ;) It's funny, cause when you see Joshua wearing them in this video there's a pretty large gap between the strap and the metal - but on mine the metal is leaning on the strap.
@@theodorthiele well i m just glad then that i did both sides the holes further up^^i really feel u paying so much for such a bad design is just unacceptable. For the suction u can order the dekoni perforated pads,i ve read that fixes it and they have measurements in their site on how they affect the response. i hope i ve helped
Sooooo... Headphones.com is actually selling the clear for $990.... I would get this over the elex while supplies last - www.headphones.com/collections/focal-clear-collection/products/focal-clear-over-ear-open-back-headphones
S tier headphone. Even when full price but its now under 1000! I may even say that.. i would buy these over the 8XX 👀
What about the LCD-2 over the 2C? It's the same price as the Clear now ($990), it is that much better over the 2C? I am not shy of EQing so the LCD-2 looks more appealing.
Would you say at that price point it would be a even better buy to go with the OG vs the MG in this case? Update: I bought the Focal Clear OG.
@@iknowyounot88 Check out his review of the MG. He prefers the Clear over the MG for tonal balance. The rest seemed like a wash.
@@Knux0r feel like I've gotten a little stirred up over to many reviews. You're right though haha
very in on the upfront summaries - ppl enjoy knowing the answer, then choosing to explore in more detail, rather than being strung along
Yeah, for those of us who don't have that much time, its very convenient
No love for the ananda?
Nah
Which Ananda?
That footage pops right off the screen! Keep up the great work!
I would take the Focal Clear over the Elex. Clears are on sale atm at $990 since the new Clear MGs are coming out
I saw that last night! Good stuff for sure!
Yeah hoping they will still be on sale for a big longer so I can snag one up.
The suggestion would have been the Celestee if one were looking for a closed back option. With the OG Clear now at the same price point, that is decidedly the way to go over anything under 1k
Is there a huge difference in sound between Focal Clear and new Focal Clear MG? Do you really feel it?
I own a Focal Clear love it and want to have a close look at MG version if it represents a real improvement
@@io_metre according to Resolve, from Headphonesdotcom, they are pretty much the same, differences are minimal, he has a recent video and he spends some time comparing them.
I love my LCD-2C, tomorrow I finally gonna pick up my balanced cable (4 weeks waiting😱, handcrafted 👌). I'm also happy with my IEM Jerry harvey diana paired with A&K AK70 MKII, great sound I recommend to try this combo
I got my LCD2Cs 3 years ago. They sounded great when I got them. I needed to replace the pleather pads on them and saw that Audeze had a new pad design shipping with all their new sets. Thinner and a different foam material. OMG. Love the 2Cs even more now! Vocals are just as good but just have the top end finish that they were missing somewhat. Everything opened up but still has the upfront vocal presence I loved about them. Highly recommended pad swap.
Thanx for the awesome macro shot of the Elex. Paused the video and captured it. Makes an amazing wallpaper
Thank God... a reviewer who answer the question of the review, within the first min. And it makes it easier to follow your remarks in the review. Thumbs up just for that.
I'm one of the people who can't afford these headphones, but man Josh's production work is a piece of living art that I have to watch as soon as it comes out.
Just a note for the nylon ring on the LCD-2c. It is glass fiber rienforced nylon, the same material used in power tools from impact wrenches to cordless drills. It is insanely tough is a massive step up from the wood in terms of durability.
As an owner of both, I have to say YES!
BUT, try to get them on sale. I bought my Elex used, and the LCD-2C on Audeze's black Friday Sale for $499.
Which one do you prefer ?
@@davidmason8212 That depends... The Elex is better for well-recorded music, serious listening, and gaming. But the LCD-2C is the best headphone I've ever heard for just pressing play on your playlist and chilling out. It sounds great listening pretty much any kind of music. The Elex tends to be a little bit more picky.
@@PerfmonX64
Thanks
Good luck on the elex. Hope you can return when the driver fails
@@PerfmonX64are you using EQ?thanks!
I wish you had included the Ananda's in this. I think it would also be wise to mention the well documented driver failure issues on the Elex.
I wonder why he didn't mention the problems with the elex 🤔
I wanted to get the Elex but there's so many people complaining about driver fail. You'd think Focal would have better QC.
Mine has been working for 5 months now. No issues whatsoever. Not even clipping at sub bass. Hope it stays that way.
Yep. Focal well known for channel imbalance and terrible quality controls
@@chefgav1 Just the elex, not their others
@@chefgav1 Focal hater spotted Iol
There should be more video's like these. There are so many old headphones with great reputations but so are new great headphones coming out at the same price. I always wonder if they still hold up compared to their competitors.
What are the "new great headphones coming out at the same price"?? Tbh the only headphones I know around the 600-900 price range are the Ananda, lcd2c and Elex.
@@g1g2g3g4g5gt I guess you could put some chi-fi action in the "new, maybe punches above weight" group. Gold Planar Gl2000 comes to mind as a recent example. Folks always want to know how the proven headphones compare to the new upstarts.
@@Schild4823 Yeah, but that one got pretty bad reviews. Mixed to say the least, especially if you are like me and can't stand Zeos (videos are too long and I don't even find his jokes funny).
Seriously i really love your videos. informative, high quality and just really enjoyable. Greetings from Denmark
Don't forget the Elex has a ton of QC driver failures
I have the LCD-2C’s coming in right now. Very excited to upgrade my music listening!
Has anyone with a huge head actually had the Audeze headphones on? I wear a 7 5/8 fitted cap and have a hard time finding a comfortable set of cans. Do those luxurious looking pads clear the top and bottom of ears?
Having such a big head has made me fit sensitive over the years.
Keep up the great work Josh!
What about the Hifiman Ananda? It's basically 700 USD now
I would take it over the Focal any day
@@chefgav1 The Elex yes, the Clear nope.
@@truth-uncensored2426 Elex? Nope. Clear? Yes.
I loved my Focal Elex headphones, both pairs I had, before each of them died within one year of having them. I was always super obsessive about putting them back in the box, but both died anyway. Thank goodness the 2nd pair died while still under warranty by a few weeks. I got a full refund from Drop and now I'm hoping the Audeze LCD2C goes on sale for Black Friday. I may someday buy another pair of Elexes, but I'd be very cautious about that, given the 2 that suddenly died on me. They do sound stunning, while they work. My other pair is the Drop 6XXs, which are nice, but the sound is smeary and veiled compared to the Elexes. Too bad about Focal's QC on those.
I've had Elex for a couple years now, also return to case after use, no problems so far at all
Almost 2 years with the 2C and couldn't be happier. Probably gonna be my endgame, tried the Clears but they were a bit metallic to my ear. Also sick B-rolls Josh.
Do you EQ them?
@@stuka78 On digital rips I don't but on LP-rips I use Metal571's EQ, yes.
I love the 2C's. I bought the carbon fiber headband and leather replacement pads, and it's so damn sweet.
@@chunkylover5367 Did the real leather pads change the sound much? Been thinking of getting them too
@@exact3 Not sure. I Couldn't use the synthetic pads much because they got too hot and my right ear was touching the driver a bit. If anything the little extra depth probably added a little low end. Side note: the audeze leather pads smell really damn good.
I get how you and others draw a relationship line between the Senn 650/6XX and the Drop x Focal Elex. I do love the 6XX experience. It's super-fun and so easily enjoyable. I especially love the whole Bottlehead Crack + 6XX thing. The Elex is, as you mention, simply more capable in more areas. More and better quality bass, more and better HF, more and better resolution, and especially better soundstage/imaging. The Senn 600-series thing is singular'ish, particular, and even peculiar in what it does well - that midrange tonal character is so organic. It's not necessarily presented in a palpable soundstage field, but it's so natural and textured. I actually find that the Drop x AeonX is more similar to the 6XX; like just a little, but noticeable, refinement in all areas over the 6XX.
I've enjoyed my 6XX but after spending most of the year with high quality IEMS, I understand what "veiled" means and I'm ready to sell my Senns and upgrade to something better.
One interesting fact about the Elex is that Drop will not ship them to any European country.
There might be other countries outside of Europe that Drop will not ship the Elex to. Personally I think the Audeze LCD2 Classics are overpriced at $800.
They should have stayed at their introduction price of $600.
I've had the Elex for a ~a couple of years now, and have found a great amp match for them with the Schiit Lyr 3. If you invest in a few NOS tubes, it is totally worth the investment imo. I have found my endgame.
Elex is known to be plagued with driver failure issues.
Man I’m kinda disappointed I got a focal about 10 days ago it clipped often right out the box I chalked it up to needing burn in so I’ve burned it in it no longer clips but the left driver buzzes still after 30-40 hours of play time I’m really scared they are gonna die or something should I return these any help would be amazing I run my stuff through a Ifi rig and have many phones and none of them buzz and I can drive the crap out of my other stuff but these they buzz on bass at about 80-85db
Many people have had this problem but Joshua makes no mention of this problem in his video 🤔
Hey man! Great cinematography as always ❤️
Would love to see your take on the Focal Celestee!
10/10 intro, nice shots too ma dude!
so Audeze LCD-2s over HIfiman Ananda?
Making decision between those 2 I decided to go with LCD2C for following reasons:
1. LCD2C sounds much more fun and enjoyable comparing to Focal Clear. I know Elex sounds a bit different, but if Clear couldn't beat LCD2C in my preferences I had doubts that Elex will.
2. Looking for the second-hand options I flickered through too many failed Elexes with either imbalanced volume, or failed dynamic driver. Way too many. I wouldn't want to be concerned about QC when buying something for $700.
3. Speaking about build quality, the look of the Focal Clear on the stand in the shop was awful. A lots of chipped paints around the cups etc. and that's considering that you have to ask for the headphones before listen to them. I understand that this might not represent wear of actual usage, but LCD2C was looking much better, and seems like Audeze tolerates beating much better overall.
Anyway I picked LCD2C mostly because of its phenomenal and engaging sound signature, which I preferred even over HD800S or Hifiman Arya, which cost much more.
What type of musica are you listening? Thanks
@@squirtmph mostly Rock, Garage, Grange and BritPop.
@@snowmean1 my type of music 🎶..... Thanks for your response 😜
ATH-ADX5000
Audrey LCD -X
Focal Clear mg professional
Focal Celestee
I would rather pict base on sound value
Audrey LCD -X $1,199
Budget I would pick
Audrey LCD-2C $799.
From my personal list, what's your input ⁉️
I'm planning to use it with:
FiiO M17
Kann Alpha
Also as DAC
Alright, budget is 500$, but let's add 200$ for the Elex. And maybe another 200$ for an amp, and maybe another 100$ for a DAC, and maybe another something for a better cable, and oh! There's a sale on the Clears? Well add another 290$, which could almost feel like 200$ but not quite. Simple budgeting! Oh, from international? Add shipping + exchange rate + bank extra exchange fees and everything is ok! Why do I love this hobby?
You'd be better off paying for the clears so the driver voice coil didn't break in a year.
Elex's are ticking time bombs for most people.
@@thebadburrito1394
That sound so serious
How about ananda? I hear many people say it's toned pretty well. How does it compare to these two headphones?
Never tried the elex, but as for the ananda vs the lcd2c, if pick the lcd2c. The 2c is immediately likable and easy on the ears. A bit dark for my taste but otherwise what you'd expect from a planar. Very enjoyable. The ananda sounds larger, brighter, more detailed, but also grainy. It seemed to have a harshness that i couldnt get to go away with eq. I honestly had more to like about the ananda overall but the harshness is what ruins it for me.
@@chaos1267 Almost every Hifiman headphone is like that.
@@chaos1267 I think it is much more simpler to just say that you like a darker sound signature. Ananda is undoubtedly the tonally more neutral headphone and soundstages much better as well.
Open-box clears can be had for around 800, but I keep hearing they don't have much punch and I listen to a lot of rock
Not sure about that being clear upgrade for the 6XX/650, I still can't find anything that actually beats my HD650 in terms of general music enjoyment. Had LCD-2/2F/3/X, Focal Clear Pro. Still listen to the 650's 95% of the time.
Between the2c , 2f , X and the clear
How can you arrange it from best to worst ?
Like 1 the best 4 the worst ?
@@davidmason8212 Thing with Audeze, at least for me, is that the 2's and the 3 were way too dark and had somewhat weird frequency response. The X was the most exciting and neutral, that one would certainly be number one in my mind from those 4. But then, after some time you get enough of that monsterous bass and I just stopped using it. Plus it's heavy which sucks also.
The 650 is the wife material, LCD-X is hot chick at some night club. That's not great for long term relationship.
What about Hifiman Ananda in 2021? Most reviews I have read were of the opinion that the only advantage LCD 2C has over the Ananda is the bass response and Ananda is better in almost all categories especially soundstage and the high frequencies. Anandas are also rated by many as the better all-rounder headphones than the LCD 2Cs whereas LCD 2C is more considered as a genre specialist headphone for bass-heavy music.
Yea you are right
Rting
The cringe
These two give the anada way higher score than lcd2c
@@davidmason8212 I listened to the Anandas and they sounded very "meh" compared to my Audezes. I think there is a lot of pro-HIFIMAN "blindness" when it comes to actual music listening and evaluating perceived value. For me Audeze beats Hifiman in just about their whole lineup (keeping in mind I have only heard LCD-4s, GX, and LCD-2Cs).
@@WayneAlexander
Do you prefer extended bass over the highs and prefer intimate vocals over the sound stage ?
I think That what makes you prefer the audeze .
@@WayneAlexander I think you are actually suffering from a 'Pro- Audeze blindness'. I don't pretend to be an audiophile or anything but generally most people seem to prefer the Hifiman signature. Take Joshua Valour himself for example. He will take the Hifiman Arya over an LCD X any day. Even his review of the LCD 4 was lacking in enthusiasm compared to his review of Hifiman Arya, a significantly less expensive headphone.
Hifiman sound signature especially of their higher end models seem to be characterised by large open soundstage, clear highs and mids along with very good and clean bass extension albeit lacking a little bit in thump and rumble (especially with Anandas)
Audeze higher end sound signature seems to be characterised by more intimate soundstage (compared to Hifiman higher end models or the Sennheiser HD800 series) as well as thumping bass, clear mids and slightly veiled highs (LCD X however seems to have great highs)
I used to have the Elex Josh but I had problems with the balanced wire and then the right drivers went off. I lived outside the US so it's kind of expensive in returning them. though massdrop needs a US address before they refund or exchange. Do the elex at 2021 still have that kind of problem?
Is the Beyerdynamic DT 1990 Pro on the level of Focal Elex for sound quality, or is a tier lower?
That one has some serious issues on the highs that make them uncomfortable to listen to, research a little and watch other reviewers, Josh likes it because he isnt picky with the highs
DT 1990 Pro - typical Beyer boosted highs. I think they have specific idea how Pro Audio/studio headphones should sound like.
God these videos are full of amazing shots. Keep up the great work!
How does Hifiman Ananda compare? Its also
Josh really hate the Ananda 😅
I asked alot of people the only two reviewers who prefer elex and lcd2c over ananda are josh and dms .
Everybody else prefer the ananda over them .
Actually they said lcd2c sounds bad
Elex doesn't worth the extra 500 dollar over the 6xx
I compared lcd-2c, ananda and elear (not elex) two years ago, ananda was better (more space, more details), so i bought ananda :D
@@frostzxs
I hope joshua read you comment
Everyone compare ananda and 2c recommend the ananda except josh and dms
Ananda highs are fatiguing.
@@kevin26exe
I have heard some people talk about that but maybe a simple eq will solve the issue
Elex was $550 just a few months ago. A steal at that price.
Until the drivers break. Not worth it imo
@@chefgav1 have two Focals that still work perfectly fine.
@@Artaois13 google it its well known and reported. Only a matter of time bruz
some shots here are truly amazing. holywood level really some macro shots here. amazing, and the josh colour lightning touch, great!!!!
closed back headphones recommendations and comparisons please 😍😍😍
Drop had a bit if a snafu with replacement pads for the Elex (pads were not the same quality or thickness) and refunded everyone that had ordered them. So far I haven't seen any option to get replacement pads. I haven't seen them on offer by Drop since. Kind of a bummer since the closest pads to the Elex are for the Clear and those cost close to $200. I've got a year an a half on these as my daily driver and I'm hoping they offer up the original pads again soon. Then again, that $990 deal on the Clear is crazy tempting! Thanks for the great content!
Can you run these headphones with smsl ad18
watching on my Elegia i got for $400
I wanted to give the Elex a try after not finding the 6XX comfortable as it looks like the pads are comfier and the clamp pressure wouldn't all be centered around below the ear. After researching it sounds like they're basically ticking time bombs with how often the drivers fail, very clever planned obsolescence. Ended up getting an X2HR after having an X2 for a long time and regrettably getting rid of it. Also a 560s to compliment it. I'll be waiting for Sennheiser to finally dump money into R&D after partnering with Sonova and hopefully bring a true successor to the 6x0 and 800 series headphones.
Honestly i was shopping for an Elex or the Elegia, but after weighing everything went for the Elegia (yeah i wanted a Focal haha, love the design and sound way too much), i'd rather risk a low chance of the headband breaking (can be mitigated) than a 100% chance of a driver failing (nothing you can do about that), plus going back to closed-backs was surprisingly nice, and for 400$, holy shit, the sound...
I’m lucky enough to own both. These are my two favorite cans I own. They are just amazing for the price. So much you can do with them.
A month back I was in this very category for shopping for a "great" headphone. I actually went with the Audeze LCD-GX over the Audeze LCD-2C. Not sure why Joshua didn't particularly gush and fawn over the GX, like other reviewers, but for me, it blows both this Focal Elex and regular LCD-2C out of the water. I currently pair it with a Schiit Hel and its been amazing! Curiously enough, Joshua didn't make over the Meze Empyreans like other reviewers either.... A lot of people say they are better than Abyss and Hifimans. Strange....
if you think away the mic on the GX. what headphone is it? it's an LCD-X ?
Welp, I just bought a HD660s for 300€. Too bad these headphones are crazy expensive here in Europe.. like, several hundreds more than in the US :/
I'm super happy with my choice though, made my decision based on your and Zeos' reviews. Keep up the great work mate!!
Where did you buy HD660s for €300?
@@MrLimaify It was on a Hungarian site for 110k HUF which is around 300 euro, maybe a bit more, like 305 or so. But this was the last one there, sadly.
Would it be much of an upgrade from the DT 1990 Pro to the LCD-2C?
Hi Josh. Can you please review the Hifiman He-400se? There's not a lot of information about them on TH-cam.
Will you be reviewing the harmonicdyne Zeus? Would love to hear your impressions on them
Idk if I have wrong pairing amp wise with the lcd2c but I don't like them. Bass sounds weak for some reason.
weak bass in lcd-2c that's interesting, what amp r you using?
I mean eq does wonders for audezes. I have the Lcd2c with a 4db bass shelf from 125hz and they sound fantastic without being bloated. I'm not sure what headphones you're coming from but maybe they were obnoxiously bass boosted?
Yep, planars take EQ really well. It's also much easier to EQ bass than treble.
The problem with the DROP items is basically the taxes and VAT for people who don't live in the US.
I ordered the HD58X a while ago and it came to about 250$ overall and they do not calculate it beforehand like Amazon.
Is there anything similar at Amazon for the Focal ELEX? I like my headphones with bass but still a clear treble.
Thanks
Hi i have a question
Why don't you review IEM's
So do you reckon anything from hifiman family can jump in this comparison and take any prizes...?
Had the 2C for a few years now. It looks the same as the day I got it aside from some dust. The pads still don't look like they're worn. It's built like a tank. I'll probably be able to hand this thing off to my son in great condition.
Also have no desire to upgrade. I don't go to audio shows to know what I'm missing, but the subbass is unlike any other headphone I've used, and EQ brings in the top end which does resolve, it just isn't quite forward enough with default tuning. The mids are excellent to begin with.
It's a total endgame candidate IMO. Also JDS atom is only $100 which gets you plenty of power and perfectly detailed output and you can EQ to color as desired.
I've actually been thinking of getting the LCD2C/Magnius combo. This video hits the spot. I feel like a lot of content revolves around the high end, but there isn't too much about the $400 and $600-800 sweet spots.
Also I very much enjoy the chill vibes you and your videos give off 🙂
I'd suggest the Asgard 3 over the Magnius.
Immediate thumbs up for the straight answer at the beginning. Also that neon shot at the intro is just perfection, wow!
How about the Dan Clark Aeon 2? or Aeon 2 Noire?
Wow perfect timing. My LCD 2C just came in today 😂
Love them so far. Also got some hd600s today but the clamp force was way too much so they're stretching out on my monitor speakers for a few days
@JoshuaValour, I'm considering getting the LCD-2C. Do you consider this to be more close to HD600 in terms of mids and vocals? I want this because you said they are warm and that the voices sound amazing! This sounds exactly what I want... But in other reviews, I have heard that there are some deeps in the mids. Do voices feel affected? I'm only interested in very good mids, good bass, and a relaxed/warm sound. I already have the Edition XS, Sundara, AKG K702 and I now I want something diffrent. Something more dark and warm. Do you consider the LCD-2c an upgrade?
Hi Joshua, how are you doing today?
Awesome m8! You?
I can get LCD-2 Classics for about 615 USD. I like how the HD600, HD650, HD660s sound. Should I but them ?
Gave they upgraded the quality on the Elex? As far as I understand the balance should be a problem often
No. The driver dying is still an issue. The Clear and everything after it are devoid of that issue.
hey Joshua, why you never do a review for lcd-2c closed. I have a noisy family and would like some isolation. I was thinking on buying the lcd-2c and cut out a piece of carbon fiber to cover up the back so I can get some isolation. what you think ?
Hey Josh love your reviews was wondering why the hifiman Ananda not up their these 2 ? is it a step down ?
I’m afraid to even touch the Elex with the reviews about the potential of audio cut off on one side of the headphone.
The build quality of the Elex cables is abysmal. I treat my headphones carefully and they never leave my apartment, yet in just over a year, three (as in one! two! three!) stock XLR cables failed. The first two times, Drop replaced the headphone (they refuse to replace just the cable) immediately and I returned the old one after receiving the new one. The third time (it was still under warranty) they wanted the old one back first so I gave up and got a Periapt cable. I still often use the Elex for movies but it has been supplanted as my primary music headphone by the ZMF Aeolus.
Metal571 said in his review the elex cables are so bad
Where's the mug, Josh? Where's the mug!!!!
how does the ananda compare? I was looking to upgrade to something in the price range and I'm leaning towards the ananda but the lack of swivel on the cups is kinda off-putting
I have got 6xx and 4xx .
4xx sounds way better that's why i didn't put the elex on my upgrade list.
Till now idk why josh hate the ananda and prefer the 2c over it .
Most reviewers prefer ananda over the 2c
I love the Ananda and have no issues with fit. They are more comfy than the Sundara for me.
I have the Ananda and dying to try Audeze and Elex. $700 is sweet spot for high end headphones imo. I missed my Dt 1990 though, best rock and roll beast.
nah best rock&roll beast are my LCD 2C they got rough energy 🤘
I really love my LCD 2 C
Elex or Elear?
@Joshua Valour: Is the LCD2C a better value than the standard LCD2?
I'm also curious, I would love to see a 2f vs 2c comparison.
Hey, I was wondering if you could review the PS5's headphone and compare it to other like-price headphones. Especially its surround feature. Thanks.
Elex do remind Quad Era-1s (they both sound great), however, I don't really like the LCD-2 classics due to their darkness. I would suggest to search for hd800's used for 700-800 quids xD
Quad Era-1 is probably the most overlooked headphone between 500-1000 usd. Such a sweet sounding headphone. Wouldn't trade mine for either LCD2C or Elex.
Funny thing, was looking at Elex vs LCD2 just this morning.
If you like bass, get the 2C. The sub bass is unlike anything I got with midrange Sennheisers.
Just made this decision 2 weeks ago between these two.. watched those respective reviews and went with the classics. Being in Canada price is pretty much the same and supported a local shop. Picked up the xduoo xd-05 basic w/ the bass boost I’m loving it and would like to say endgame but c’mon..
Great comparison as usual and glad you still rec. 🙌
Well I have to say this opinions are like assholes everybody has one I have had all different types of headphones everything from koss and Pioneer Skullcandy Bose Sony Crown you name it I probably had it I've tried them from $50 all the way up to $1,000 and more and the best pair I ever had a pair of Sony's the sound quality that came out of them put the rest of them to shame and they were I can't remember the number but they were a pair of Sony Studio Pro can't remember the number but they were very very good they were excellent as far as comfort the sound quality out of them or excellent and I think I paid what was it $125 for them and I still have them and I still use them to this day I have something like 17 pairs of headphones and I still use mostly the Sony's and you will know I mean I've tried all the high-end stuff and I just cannot find any of those that are worth that kind of money to spend that money for that type of I mean really it's it's not worth it you could buy a sound system for the price of some of those headphones that I've tried and it is not worth just like now you're talkin about headphones that are seven and eight hundred dollars you could buy a power amp a nice Power Amp or a DAC unit or a receiver for that kind of money or a decent pair of speakers for that kind of money spending that kind of money on just a set of headphones to me it seems ridiculous especially in today's economy because everybody is not wealthy enough to be able to throw away 7 to $800 on just a set of headphones and it's especially since they're not going to be opening too many things are nowadays and it's nobody's going to be working very fast so people are still out of work and these companies that are charging this much money for headphones are a little bit out there the economy is not set up for people to go out and buy these things right now unless these are very setup for very wealthy people and that's probably only set up for the far left because right now there's the only ones that can really afford this type of luxury cuz that's what it is it's it's in luxury it's not a necessity because seven to eight hundred dollars could pay your month's rent or half your month's rent or half your monthly mortgage so that kind of money is not really in the market for many people especially nowadays
Hello,
Do you think the lc2c is a good upgrade to the k702?
Soundstage wise and with good transient response...
This video is actually quite funnily timed as I just got my hands on both of them after ordering them a while back, could not agree with you more. Love them both to death, though I will say the LCD-2Cs take the crown for most comfortable headphone of all time imho, the fact that you can swivel the drivers so that they aren't parallel is a huuuuge plus, and with a little EQ the low end slams like nothing else.
That intro shit is the coolest thing I’ve ever seen
Hi…;-). Anyone knows how to eq Audeze lcd-2 classic with Chord Mojo 2?
what about the hifiman ananda for $699?
Can’t afford :(
Is the elex still have the driver issue?
Yes
Ive been watch your review this lcd2c, but your latest videos has always about hifiman edition xs..which is good between two or maybe you can make a new video Hifiman Editon XS VS Audeze LCD2 Classic as well? My preference is to enjoy listening the music and hope for big soundstage and good imaging. Hope you can answer this..
I own both and they're easily the endgame if you're not into spending thousands. Of the two I prefer the LCD just because the Elex pads pickup debris
It is so difficult to suggest the 2C anymore. and feel it has been for a couple years. With the LCD-X around $300 USD more, if someone is wanting a single"endgame" set of cans just save the money then jump. Anyone would be happy with the 2C if that were it but that extra step for the X is the far better long term investment IMO.
Unfortunately in europe the gap is bigger...
In my country the gap is 500usd, ...
Just bought a pair of 2Cs... Back watching your videos to justify them being my end game headphone. Just need a set of STAX to round out my stable of headphones.
You would seriously recommend paying twice the price of a Sundara, for a headphone that only has slightly better midrange? Bruv...
Please review the "king of neutral", Avantone Planar !!!! Probably best sound sub 1k$
I wanted to love the Elex and i was about to pull the trigger on them but after reading endless posts online about the drivers clipping and outright failing it's a big NO for me 😞 you'd think a company that sells something for 700$ would give a flying rats a** about QC but no and it's a shame because they are beautiful headphones 🤔 i wonder why Joshua never mentioned these issues in his video it would have been REALLY helpful to his audience/subscribers
Curious how you think these compare to the DT1990 especially if gaming is a factor?
I didn't try the elex but let us consider it 660s .
I tried 1990 and 660s and of course 1990 is way better in gaming but the 660s is way better in songs .
Out of curiosity, do you perceive any notable differences between the Asgard 3 SE output and the Magnius's balanced output?
I know I m a getting a bit too eager but when is Clear MG getting reviewed?
your b roll footage is some of the best on youtube
Nice video - and always nice with some reassurance, I still love my LCD-2Cs, though I'll admit they are getting a bit heavy / giving me a hotspot (the strap stretches it seems) now that I'm wearing them many hours every day working from home, and then trying to enjoy them later.
I was wondering if you have any plans of trying out any of the Kennerton headphones, or the LSA versions of them. The few reviews I have managed to find seem like they are just borderline perfect, but I'd love to hear some thoughts from someone I've heard more reviews from. The LSA HP-1 in particular look like an absolute no-brainer at the price if the reviews I have seen hold any truth.
Hi,there is an easy mod u can do that u can find online. i ve done it myself it will relief u for sure! My problem with the 2c is the clamping pressure and the suction^
I did do the strap length adjustment mod if that's what you're referring to, but I've found that after a while it just stretched some more, and now the metal headband is touching my head again. I even hang them just by the metal part to avoid stretching the strap, but no luck. I luckily have a tiny head, so clamping pressure is not an issue at all, though the "suction" would definitely be something I'd be willing to give up ;) It's funny, cause when you see Joshua wearing them in this video there's a pretty large gap between the strap and the metal - but on mine the metal is leaning on the strap.
@@theodorthiele well i m just glad then that i did both sides the holes further up^^i really feel u paying so much for such a bad design is just unacceptable. For the suction u can order the dekoni perforated pads,i ve read that fixes it and they have measurements in their site on how they affect the response. i hope i ve helped